---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 01/22/08: 28 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:03 AM - Re: 2-stroke Oil (dave) 2. 02:13 AM - Re: 2-stroke Oil (shinco) 3. 02:15 AM - Re: 2-stroke Oil (shinco) 4. 02:33 AM - Re: 2-stroke Oil (dave) 5. 03:12 AM - Re: good source for 582 cranks (Dave G.) 6. 08:44 AM - Steel tube frame Model 5 to model 7 ?? (SUE MICHAELS) 7. 08:49 AM - LP Windshield (davyken@comcast.net) 8. 09:19 AM - Re: Re: 2-stroke Oil (Guy Buchanan) 9. 09:19 AM - Re: Re: 2-stroke Oil (Guy Buchanan) 10. 10:35 AM - Re: Re: 2-stroke Oil (Noel Loveys) 11. 11:40 AM - Re: 2-stroke Oil (David Anthony) 12. 02:09 PM - Re: 2-stroke Oil (shinco) 13. 02:11 PM - Re: Re: 2-stroke Oil (shinco) 14. 02:11 PM - Re: 2-stroke Oil (jeff puls) 15. 02:35 PM - Re: 2-stroke Oil (fox5flyer) 16. 02:36 PM - Re: good source for 582 cranks (akflyer) 17. 03:37 PM - Re: LP Windshield (patrick reilly) 18. 03:50 PM - Re: Re: good source for 582 cranks (dwight purdy) 19. 04:01 PM - Re: Re: 2-stroke Oil (patrick reilly) 20. 04:34 PM - Re: LP Windshield (jdmcbean) 21. 04:38 PM - Re: good source for 582 cranks (dave) 22. 05:03 PM - Re: Re: good source for 582 cranks (84KF) 23. 05:56 PM - Re: good source for 582 cranks (akflyer) 24. 06:14 PM - Re: good source for 582 cranks (dave) 25. 06:20 PM - Re: Re: good source for 582 cranks (Dave G.) 26. 08:19 PM - Re: Re: good source for 582 cranks (84KF) 27. 08:36 PM - Re: Re: 2-stroke Oil (Guy Buchanan) 28. 08:45 PM - Re: [!! SPAM] Re: good source for 582 cranks (Guy Buchanan) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:03:20 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 2-stroke Oil From: "dave" > I wonder if I have to > flush the system to go from the blue air cooled engine oil to the red > Premium Outboard. > Guy Buchanan > Why would you use outboard oil? If it meets API TC - sure. If it TCw3 oil -stay away from it. Go to a Sea doo or a Ski doo dealer and likely theyr will have XPS in containers or Bulk. Others I know are decent along with Pennzoil, Shell advance and Castrol Super 2 stroke. Once again make sure they meet the rating of API TC. -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=159720#159720 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:13:42 AM PST US From: shinco Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 2-stroke Oil Guy Buchanan wrote: > > At 04:05 PM 1/21/2008, you wrote: >> Go To Walmart,,they have Pennzoil 2 stroke oil.I use Rotax 2 stroke >> oil in my KF2..Steve Shinabery N554KF kf 2 > > Wow. Wouldn't that be great. I'll check it out. I wonder if I have to > flush the system to go from the blue air cooled engine oil to the red > Premium Outboard. > > > Guy Buchanan > San Diego, CA > K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. > > I think that they sell the Pennzoil 2 stroke oil in gal gugs all so..But I buy my rotax 2 stroke oil at ,a rotax snowmobile dealer.why chance a good thing.ROTAX engine,ROTAX 2 stroke oil.all so I heard a thing I do not know if it is trure.But they told me to stay away from Pennzoil because it does not break down in gasoline as the Rotax oil does.that is why I never switched to the Pennzoil 2 stroke oil,I was but after I heard that.I stayed with the Rotax oil..I thought what Rotax knows about there engines they sould know about there oil all so.but that is your choice. Steve Shinabery N554KF KF2 582 C box ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:15:51 AM PST US From: shinco Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 2-stroke Oil Guy Buchanan wrote: > > At 04:05 PM 1/21/2008, you wrote: >> Go To Walmart,,they have Pennzoil 2 stroke oil.I use Rotax 2 stroke >> oil in my KF2..Steve Shinabery N554KF kf 2 > > Wow. Wouldn't that be great. I'll check it out. I wonder if I have to > flush the system to go from the blue air cooled engine oil to the red > Premium Outboard. > > > Guy Buchanan > San Diego, CA > K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. > > Gary when you switch from 1 oil to another it is best to flush your system,and then put in all new oil. Steve Shinabery N554KF KF2 582 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:33:11 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 2-stroke Oil From: "dave" > I buy my rotax 2 stroke oil at ,a rotax snowmobile dealer.why chance a > good thing.ROTAX engine,ROTAX 2 stroke oil.all so I heard a thing I do > not know if it is trure.But they told me to stay away from Pennzoil > because it does not break down in gasoline as the Rotax oil does.that is > why I never switched to the Pennzoil 2 stroke oil,I was but after I > heard that.I stayed with the Rotax oil..I thought what Rotax knows about > there engines they sould know about there oil all so.but that is your > choice. Steve Shinabery Hey Steve, it certainly is funny how the Rotax book is followed to a "T" for alot of info, cooling temps, coolant, EGTs temps, Mufflers etc but when it comes to oil it seems to go unnoticed? You know what I use and you know it works.... 250 to 350 2 stroke flying hours a year with no troubles speaks for itself. I will tell you that some owners decisions on how to run their engine and what oil to use does in fact bring Rotax shops business. :-) In all fairness I would rather see a safe and longer running engine than just being the supplier of parts to replace ones that had their life shortened from improper operations. -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=159724#159724 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:12:32 AM PST US From: "Dave G." Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: good source for 582 cranks Hi Leonard, I saved this message that you sent last Fall, and I am now going to order a crank. When you got this crank was it the same as the old one? The aero cranks have the shaved journals on the connecting rods. Also was it a new crank or rebuilt and how is it working for you? The reason I'm asking is that it seems too good to be true. Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/582 ----- Original Message ----- From: "akflyer" Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 5:40 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: good source for 582 cranks > > http://www.tmracing.ca/listing.php?itemID=7906 > > I got my new 582 crank from these guys. fast shipping and ya cant beat > the deal. 500.00 for a new in the box mod 99 crank. He had a shelf full > of them when I called as he had purchased a large quantity from Rotax. It > ened up being cheaper to just pay the core and not send my old crank back > as shipping would have cost more than the return.. I am not sure the mark > up on parts for the aircraft dealers, but rotax snowmachine dealers get > one heck of a mark up.. they ATLEAST double the money on parts sales. > > Just a heads up to anyone who is getting close to a crank replacment.. > > -------- > Leonard Perry > Soldotna AK > Avid "C" / Mk IV > 582 IVO IFA > Full Lotus 1260 > 95% complete > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=131106#131106 > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:44:19 AM PST US From: SUE MICHAELS Subject: Kitfox-List: Steel tube frame Model 5 to model 7 ?? Is the steel tube frame on the model 5 and model 7 physical about the same in size and tube location? ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:49:02 AM PST US From: davyken@comcast.net Subject: Kitfox-List: LP Windshield Hi Pat, LP Aeroplastics. They make all kind of pre-molded windshield and doors. The lexan sheet that came with my kit was flat. You install it by bending it to fit. The LP windshield is pre formed to fit your plane, so there's no bending. The fit as delivered was perfect. Just trim the edges and fasten in place. It's a little thicker and a little heaver but it's still a really nice upgrade that I can recommend. I also went with LP bubble doors. They're one piece clear doors. They bow out to give a little more shoulder room. http://www.lostskyranch.com/Lost%20Sky%20Ranch/EventGallery/Kitfox/Front-Right-Quarter-01.jpg Ken Davy N1701S Classic IV - Rotax 912 Ken, What is LP windshield? I need to replace mine. Pat Reilly Mod3 Rebuild Rockford, IL
Hi Pat,
 
LP Aeroplastics.  They make all kind of pre-molded windshield and doors.  The lexan sheet that came with my kit was flat.  You install it by bending it to fit.  The LP windshield is pre formed to fit your plane, so there's no bending.  The fit as delivered was perfect.  Just trim the edges and fasten in place.  It's a little thicker and a little heaver but it's still a really nice upgrade that I can recommend.
 
I also went with LP bubble doors.  They're one piece clear doors.  They bow out to give a little more shoulder room.
 
 
Ken Davy
N1701S
Classic IV - Rotax 912

Ken, What is LP windshield? I need to replace mine. Pat Reilly Mod3 Rebuild Rockford, IL
________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:19:40 AM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: 2-stroke Oil At 02:00 AM 1/22/2008, you wrote: >Why would you use outboard oil? If it meets API TC - sure. >If it TCw3 oil -stay away from it. Only because of the ultralightnews.com test. They tested these two Pennzoils and though they found the air-cooled to be the best, they found the red Premium outboard, which is API-TC rated to be almost as good. Unfortunately they didn't test the XPS or Amsoil. On your suggestion I will be looking around San Diego for the XPS, as I'm sure there's a Sea-Doo dealer here somewhere. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:19:40 AM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Re: Kitfox-List: 2-stroke Oil At 02:10 AM 1/22/2008, you wrote: >I think that they sell the Pennzoil 2 stroke oil in gal gugs all >so..But I buy my rotax 2 stroke oil at ,a rotax snowmobile >dealer.why chance a good thing.ROTAX engine,ROTAX 2 stroke oil Steve, Are you talking about the Bombardier XPS oil? Or is there something with a Rotax brand on it? Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:35:04 AM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: 2-stroke Oil Just a thought... Johnson (the outboard manufacturer not the... J ) and Evinrude are now built by Bombardier. They should have a supply of XPS mineral oil. Sigtaturea Noel Loveys Campbellton, NL, Canada CDN AME intern, PP-Rec C-FINB, Kitfox III-A 582 B box, Ivo IFA, Aerocet 1100 floats noelloveys@yahoo.ca Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:37 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: 2-stroke Oil At 02:00 AM 1/22/2008, you wrote: >Why would you use outboard oil? If it meets API TC - sure. >If it TCw3 oil -stay away from it. Only because of the ultralightnews.com test. They tested these two Pennzoils and though they found the air-cooled to be the best, they found the red Premium outboard, which is API-TC rated to be almost as good. Unfortunately they didn't test the XPS or Amsoil. On your suggestion I will be looking around San Diego for the XPS, as I'm sure there's a Sea-Doo dealer here somewhere. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:40:40 AM PST US From: "David Anthony" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 2-stroke Oil Why are you using that crap anyway. Use Golden Spectro. On 1/21/08, Guy Buchanan wrote: > > > Good morning all, > I am having a heck of a time getting the Pennzoil 2-stroke > air cooled oil. The best price I've been able to get was $40/case of > 24 pints + $10 shipping at oil-store.com. I was also told by a > Pennzoil distributor that the 16oz. has been discontinued and that > sooner or later I'll have to use 8oz. bottles, with the attendant > higher price and waste. Therefore, would anyone care to recommend a > non-Pennzoil oil for the 582? > > Thank you, > > > Guy Buchanan > San Diego, CA > K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:09:04 PM PST US From: shinco Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 2-stroke Oil Guy Buchanan wrote: > > At 02:10 AM 1/22/2008, you wrote: >> I think that they sell the Pennzoil 2 stroke oil in gal gugs all >> so..But I buy my rotax 2 stroke oil at ,a rotax snowmobile dealer.why >> chance a good thing.ROTAX engine,ROTAX 2 stroke oil > > Steve, > Are you talking about the Bombardier XPS oil? Or is there > something with a Rotax brand on it? > > > Guy Buchanan > San Diego, CA > K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. > > > Guy,,It is the Bombardier XPS 2 stroke oil.but I will check to make > sure this weekend.since I will not get out to the airport untill > then.I belive that you will beable to get it from Ski Doo or a Sea Doo > dealer. I think I payed $24.00 gal for it. if the Sea Doo Dealer does > not have it.he could order it for you..Steve Shinabery N554KF KF2 > with the little but mighty 582 > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:11:34 PM PST US From: shinco Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: 2-stroke Oil Noel Loveys wrote: > > Just a thought... Johnson (the outboard manufacturer not the... J ) > and Evinrude are now built by Bombardier. They should have a supply > of XPS mineral oil. > > > > > > Sigtaturea > > > > *Noel Loveys* > > Campbellton, NL, Canada > > CDN AME intern, PP-Rec > > C-FINB, Kitfox III-A > > 582 B box, Ivo IFA, Aerocet 1100 floats > > noelloveys@yahoo.ca > > > > Noel > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:37 PM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: 2-stroke Oil > > > > > > > At 02:00 AM 1/22/2008, you wrote: > > >Why would you use outboard oil? If it meets API TC - sure. > > >If it TCw3 oil -stay away from it. > > > > Only because of the ultralightnews.com test. They tested these two > > Pennzoils and though they found the air-cooled to be the best, they > > found the red Premium outboard, which is API-TC rated to be almost as > > good. Unfortunately they didn't test the XPS or Amsoil. On your > > suggestion I will be looking around San Diego for the XPS, as I'm > > sure there's a Sea-Doo dealer here somewhere. > > > > > > Guy Buchanan > > San Diego, CA > > K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. > > > > > > to browse Un/Subscription, Browse, Chat, FAQ, more: > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List > > Web Forums! http://forums.matronics.com > > support! > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Thats is new Noel,I did not know that.that would be another place to buy it all so..Steve Shinabery N554KF ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:11:38 PM PST US From: "jeff puls" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 2-stroke Oil Guy, Do you have any of those Pennzoil "Fas Lube" oil changing places in your area? I ordered a case through them. They got it from their local supplier. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Guy Buchanan" Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 2:59 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: 2-stroke Oil > > Good morning all, > I am having a heck of a time getting the Pennzoil 2-stroke air > cooled oil. The best price I've been able to get was $40/case of 24 pints > + $10 shipping at oil-store.com. I was also told by a Pennzoil distributor > that the 16oz. has been discontinued and that sooner or later I'll have to > use 8oz. bottles, with the attendant higher price and waste. Therefore, > would anyone care to recommend a non-Pennzoil oil for the 582? > > Thank you, > > > Guy Buchanan > San Diego, CA > K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:35:09 PM PST US From: "fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 2-stroke Oil Huh? Great tactful first post! Perhaps it would be better if this poster was to enlighten us all by telling us all why he thinks that Pennzoil--the oil recommended by Rotax--is crap? Also, could we see some documentation that indicates Golden Spectro is better than Pennzoil? A controlled comparison test of some sort, perhaps? Anything? Deke Morisse Mikado Michigan S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress." - Joseph Joubert Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 2-stroke Oil >Why are you using that crap anyway. Use Golden Spectro. On 1/21/08, Guy Buchanan wrote: Good morning all, I am having a heck of a time getting the Pennzoil 2-stroke air cooled oil. The best price I've been able to get was $40/case of 24 pints + $10 shipping at oil-store.com. I was also told by a Pennzoil distributor that the 16oz. has been discontinued and that sooner or later I'll have to use 8oz. bottles, with the attendant higher price and waste. Therefore, would anyone care to recommend a ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:36:32 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: good source for 582 cranks From: "akflyer" When I talked to Tony at TMR, he said that he had bought something like 70 cranks from rotax and got a real good buy on them. They were sitting on his shelf and he wanted to move them out. The crank I got was a brand new mod 99. It only has break in time and the twice a month start up and run up to temp time on it as I have not finished my left wing yet. -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE Leonard Perry Soldotna AK Avid "C" / Mk IV 582 IVO IFA Full Lotus 1260 95% complete Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=159853#159853 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:37:30 PM PST US From: patrick reilly Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: LP Windshield Ken, Do you know the thickness of the LP windshield? I looked at their webs ite. I could fin only listed certified aircraft windshields. How do you ind ex the Kitfox in their wesite catalog? I increased my cabin width 4 1/2 inc hes at the shoulders. Murle Williams out of Phoenix, AZ sells a 5 inch stee l kit, I built mine out of wood. I had to reform the door frames. I have th e old widows and windshield for patterns. I planned on buying Lexan sheet l ocally and making my windshield, turtleback and bubble doors. How much did the LP winshield sell for? Pat Reilly Mod 3 Rebuild Rockford, IL From: davyken@comcast.netTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: Kitfox-List: LP WindshieldDate: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:46:28 +0000 Hi Pat, LP Aeroplastics. They make all kind of pre-molded windshield and doors. T he lexan sheet that came with my kit was flat. You install it by bending i t to fit. The LP windshield is pre formed to fit your plane, so there's no bending. The fit as delivered was perfect. Just trim the edges and faste n in place. It's a little thicker and a little heaver but it's still a rea lly nice upgrade that I can recommend. I also went with LP bubble doors. They're one piece clear doors. They bow out to give a little more shoulder room. http://www.lostskyranch.com/Lost%20Sky%20Ranch/EventGallery/Kitfox/Front-Ri ght-Quarter-01.jpg Ken Davy N1701S Classic IV - Rotax 912 Ken, What is LP windshield? I need to replace mine. Pat Reilly Mod3 Rebuild Rockford, IL ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:50:16 PM PST US From: dwight purdy Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: good source for 582 cranks Sounds good By the way is John Perry related as he lives in the same town and is on this list? At 02:34 PM 1/22/2008 -0800, you wrote: > >When I talked to Tony at TMR, he said that he had bought something like 70 >cranks from rotax and got a real good buy on them. They were sitting on >his shelf and he wanted to move them out. The crank I got was a brand new >mod 99. It only has break in time and the twice a month start up and run >up to temp time on it as I have not finished my left wing yet. > >-------- >DO NOT ARCHIVE >Leonard Perry >Soldotna AK >Avid "C" / Mk IV >582 IVO IFA >Full Lotus 1260 >95% complete > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=159853#159853 > > >-- >11:04 AM -- ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:01:53 PM PST US From: patrick reilly Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: 2-stroke Oil Dave, Thanks for the advice. One reason I use the syntehic AMSOIL is that i t burns very very clean, no carbon buildup. I have had no problem with cran ks on the 2 stroke motorcycles that didn't run while sitting all winter ove r the years. I do not live in the desert. Is there something different abou t the Rotax 582? If the synthetic does not protect the crank adequately dur ning periods of inactivity, then I'd rather change plugs than cranks. Than ks Again Pat Reilly Mod 3 Rebuild Rockford, IL> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 2-stroke Oil> From: dave@cfisher.co m> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 17:08:48 -0800> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> > y experience over 20 years with AMSOIL has been nothing but positive. You s tate that you don't like synthetics with your 582. What experience have you had with synthetic oil that prompts your advice? I value your advice. Mayb e, I will have to switch to the oil you are recommending. > > > > Pat Reill y > > Mod 3 Rebuild > > Rockford,IL > > > > > Pat I have over 35 year with 2 strokes and have used synthetic in some applications ie exhaust valv raci ng etc. There is no question that some synthetics do a great job providing lubrication. > > But they do not provide the corrosion protection you get w ith mineral oil.> If you use you engine several time s a week and/or live i n the desert or a very dry climate you might do better than others. > > Wha t is the advantage of Amsoil or any synthetic ? We use mostly Bombardier XP S here for injected engines and rotax pre mix for pre mix. > just make sure it is API tc rated and if you insist on synthetics then when not in use yo u better buy some fogging oil or someone will be selling you a crank . > > Thousands of Rotax cranks are sold annually , why ? > Alot of bearing failu res stem from corrosion. Imagine any roller or Ball bearing with a bit of r ust on it not to mention the races of the bearing then spin them at 6000 rp m and see how long that galled bearing endures the not so smooth ride. Yes failure imminent.> > --------> Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada> Flying Videos and Kitfox Info> http://www.cfisher.com/> > > > > Read this topic online he re:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=159667#159667> > > > > -======================== ==> > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:34:00 PM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: LP Windshield Pat, We could help. Windshield in clear $380 and the light smoke tint is $456 + shipping.. Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean 208.337.5111 www.kitfoxaircraft.com "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of patrick reilly Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 4:35 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: LP Windshield Ken, Do you know the thickness of the LP windshield? I looked at their website. I could fin only listed certified aircraft windshields. How do you index the Kitfox in their wesite catalog? I increased my cabin width 4 1/2 inches at the shoulders. Murle Williams out of Phoenix, AZ sells a 5 inch steel kit, I built mine out of wood. I had to reform the door frames. I have the old widows and windshield for patterns. I planned on buying Lexan sheet locally and making my windshield, turtleback and bubble doors. How much did the LP winshield sell for? Pat Reilly Mod 3 Rebuild Rockford, IL _____ From: davyken@comcast.net Subject: Kitfox-List: LP Windshield Hi Pat, LP Aeroplastics. They make all kind of pre-molded windshield and doors. The lexan sheet that came with my kit was flat. You install it by bending it to fit. The LP windshield is pre formed to fit your plane, so there's no bending. The fit as delivered was perfect. Just trim the edges and fasten in place. It's a little thicker and a little heaver but it's still a really nice upgrade that I can recommend. I also went with LP bubble doors. They're one piece clear doors. They bow out to give a little more shoulder room. http://www.lostskyranch.com/Lost%20Sky%20Ranch/EventGallery/Kitfox/Front-Rig ht-Quarter-01.jpg Ken Davy N1701S Classic IV - Rotax 912 Ken, What is LP windshield? I need to replace mine. Pat Reilly Mod3 Rebuild Rockford, IL arget=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution 11:04 AM ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:38:55 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: good source for 582 cranks From: "dave" If you want to gamble on cranks here is one bid is 10$ http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250208788035&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:CA:1123 I just sold a crank for a 582 to a Polaris dealer that had gone through 3 cranks in the last few years. I ran into him at a flyin and he had never had a 582 crank last more than 70 hours. He was shocked to learn that mine always go past 300 hours as well as the one I flew in on. I asked him the usual , what kind of oil etc etc. then he told me he been getting rebuilt cranks from somewhere. You get what you pay for is the moral of the story. save 500 $ on a crank and wipe out a landing gear or your entire plane you just spent 1200 hours building ... PRICELESS> ? Same goes for pistons , some will argue snowmobile pistons are better or the same. not so. -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=159878#159878 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:03:26 PM PST US From: 84KF Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: good source for 582 cranks Leni, take a deep breath........, exhale. count to 10, slowly. there, that better now? :-) Steve On Jan 22, 2008 7:36 PM, dave wrote: > > If you want to gamble on cranks here is one bid is 10$ > > http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250208788035&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:CA:1123 > > I just sold a crank for a 582 to a Polaris dealer that had gone through 3 > cranks in the last few years. I ran into him at a flyin and he had never > had a 582 crank last more than 70 hours. He was shocked to learn that mine > always go past 300 hours as well as the one I flew in on. > > I asked him the usual , what kind of oil etc etc. then he told me he > been getting rebuilt cranks from somewhere. > > You get what you pay for is the moral of the story. save 500 $ on a crank > and wipe out a landing gear or your entire plane you just spent 1200 hours > building ... PRICELESS> ? > > Same goes for pistons , some will argue snowmobile pistons are better or > the same. not so. > > -------- > Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada > Flying Videos and Kitfox Info > http://www.cfisher.com/ > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=159878#159878 > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:56:22 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: good source for 582 cranks From: "akflyer" dave wrote: > If you want to gamble on cranks here is one bid is 10$ > http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250208788035&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:CA:1123 > > I just sold a crank for a 582 to a Polaris dealer that had gone through 3 cranks in the last few years. I ran into him at a flyin and he had never had a 582 crank last more than 70 hours. He was shocked to learn that mine always go past 300 hours as well as the one I flew in on. > > I asked him the usual , what kind of oil etc etc. then he told me he been getting rebuilt cranks from somewhere. > > You get what you pay for is the moral of the story. save 500 $ on a crank and wipe out a landing gear or your entire plane you just spent 1200 hours building ... PRICELESS> ? > > Same goes for pistons , some will argue snowmobile pistons are better or the same. not so. Nice... what you are saying is, if a guy gets a good deal it must be fake huh... nice. glad you are a dealer and will push your agenda to the end. I notice just about every one of your posts ends with you trying to sell someone something. now for the best part of the entire irony. You tell everyone how you should go by the manufactures recommendation on damn near everything, then post with pride how you have never bothered to pull you engine apart and are way over the recommended overhaul interval etc. thats cool, Being able to rebuild you engine at dealer price.... under a grand taking out the gear cause you were too hard headed to follow manufacture specs... PRICELESS. Kinda puts things in perspective now doesn't it. And that was WAYYY after I counted to 10, forwards and backwards several times -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE Leonard Perry Soldotna AK Avid "C" / Mk IV 582 IVO IFA Full Lotus 1260 95% complete Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=159890#159890 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:14:33 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: good source for 582 cranks From: "dave" Leanard , I state from facts not from ficton. > Nice... what you are saying is, if a guy gets a good deal it must be fake huh... nice. glad you are a dealer and will push your agenda to the end. I notice just about every one of your posts ends with you trying to sell someone something No, I could not careless if you buy a crank or not but folks do buy rebuilds and have had limited success in our applications. Sure some might work but alot don't. Hard fact to understand I guess. ? Point is I give real time real life experiences like the previous example, I have seen enough rebuilt cranks fail that if you gave them to me for free I would not use them. some say penny wise pound foolish .. live and learn as others have done unfortunately. -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=159894#159894 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 06:20:02 PM PST US From: "Dave G." Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: good source for 582 cranks Relax guys. Leonard, I'm going to call TMR and talk to them about their cranks. I may buy one or I may not. I'm an experienced mechanic but I am unfamiliar with this engine and should I choose to get it zero timed by a Rotax repair shop, it is unlikely he will be willing to use a crank from somewhere else. Something to consider. I can also buy a new long block engine, mod 99 with no accessories for a little more than a zero time rebuild, another choice to consider. I never intended for this to become an issue here the email I sent was intended to go directly to Leonard and I copied the list in error. Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/582 do not archive ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 08:19:55 PM PST US From: 84KF Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: good source for 582 cranks It was posted.... > "If you want to gamble on cranks here is one bid is 10$" > http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250208788035&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:CA:1123 _________________________________________________________________ A quote from the sellers E-Bay page, who has a 99.3% positive feedback rating..... http://stores.ebay.ca/ULTRALIGHT-AIRCRAFT-ROTAX-SALES "I am a certified ROTAX service center, and A&P, I buy and sell ROTAX parts new and used. I specialize in good used ROTAX 2 cycle engines of all kinds for ULTRALIGHT and EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFT. I also buy and sell ULTRALIGHT and EXPERIMENT AIRCRAFT and sell parts. I am also a dealer for KRUCKER float" Certified ROTAX Service Center? A&P? What more would one want? I'd say the "odds" are in the buyers favor. Steve Benesh A&P, IA "5" 912UL ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 08:36:17 PM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Re: Kitfox-List: 2-stroke Oil At 01:58 PM 1/22/2008, you wrote: >Do you have any of those Pennzoil "Fas Lube" oil changing places in >your area? I ordered a case through them. They got it from their >local supplier. Jeff Great idea Jeff, what was your price? Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 08:45:46 PM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: [!! SPAM] Kitfox-List: Re: good source for 582 cranks At 06:12 PM 1/22/2008, you wrote: >No, I could not careless if you buy a crank or not but folks do buy >rebuilds and have had limited success in our applications. Sure some >might work but alot don't. Hard fact to understand I guess. ? >Point is I give real time real life experiences like the previous >example, I have seen enough rebuilt cranks fail that if you gave >them to me for free I would not use them. > >some say penny wise pound foolish .. live and learn as others have >done unfortunately. OK I'd like the slinging to stop. However a couple of good points have been raised that might prove useful to the 582 community. 1) Cheap cranks. 2) Rebuilt cranks. Nobody can debate the usefulness of cheap cranks if they're new or factory reman. The question is, therefore, is there any way to tell a new crank from one that has been after-market rebuilt? Is there any way to confirm the pedigree of TMR's cranks? Please withhold your opinions, I'm looking for hard data. 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