---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 01/23/08: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:50 AM - LP Windshield (davyken@comcast.net) 2. 07:15 AM - Build Problems? (jlfernan) 3. 07:26 AM - Re: LP Windshield (fox5flyer) 4. 07:46 AM - Re: Build Problems? (Lynn Matteson) 5. 08:22 AM - Re: Build Problems? (wingnut) 6. 09:05 AM - Re: Build Problems? (darinh) 7. 10:45 AM - Re: Build Problems? (n85ae) 8. 10:47 AM - Re: How much money have you spent? (n85ae) 9. 01:59 PM - Re: 2-stroke Oil (Perkins, Mike) 10. 04:05 PM - Re: Re: Build Problems? (patrick reilly) 11. 04:13 PM - Re: LP Windshield (patrick reilly) 12. 04:23 PM - Re: Re: good source for 582 cranks (patrick reilly) 13. 04:26 PM - Re: Re: good source for 582 cranks (patrick reilly) 14. 05:17 PM - Re: Re: good source for 582 cranks (Dave G.) 15. 06:04 PM - tachometer (Gerald Jantzi) 16. 07:20 PM - Re: tachometer (Roger McConnell) 17. 09:05 PM - Re: tachometer (Guy Buchanan) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:50:27 AM PST US From: davyken@comcast.net Subject: Kitfox-List: LP Windshield Thanks John, I ordered mine several years ago so I couldn't quote the current price. It's been installed for a while so I don't know the exact thickness but it was a noticeable difference. It has a much more solid feel than the Lexan. There was an chain on the list quite some time ago about the stress at the bend in the Lexan. A friend of mine in the Chicago area installed his windshield before me. There was a bang and the Lexan broke in half. If you're going to use the Lexan, you have to make sure the edges are really smooth. Since the LP is blown to the correct shape, there is no stress at the bend. For that price, I'd do it again. My windshield is clear. I found a bronze tinted film film that blocks IR/UV to try and keep the plane from turning into a greenhouse. I cut it to fit the upper part of the windshield. The only problem I had with that is that applying it was a project for a winter afternoon. I did it on the family room floor. The film carries quite a static charge and it attracted every clump of cat hair in the house. Ken Davy Classic IV - Rotax 912 Pat, We could help. Windshield in clear $380 and the light smoke tint is $456 + shipping.. Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean 208.337.5111 www.kitfoxaircraft.com "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of patrick reilly Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 4:35 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: LP Windshield Ken, Do you know the thickness of the LP windshield? I looked at their website. I could fin only listed certified aircraft windshields. How do you index the Kitfox in their wesite catalog? I increased my cabin width 4 1/2 inches at the shoulders. Murle Williams out of Phoenix, AZ sells a 5 inch steel kit, I built mine out of wood. I had to reform the door frames. I have the old widows and windshield for patterns. I planned on buying Lexan sheet locally and making my windshield, turtleback and bubble doors. How much did the LP winshield sell for? Pat Reilly Mod 3 Rebuild Rockford, IL

Thanks John, I ordered mine several years ago so I couldn't quote the current price. It's been installed for a while so I don't know the exact thickness but it was a noticeable difference. It has a much more solid feel than the Lexan. There was an chain on the list quite some time ago about the stress at the bend in the Lexan. A friend of mine in the Chicago area installed his windshield before me. There was a bang and the Lexan broke in half. If you're going to use the Lexan, you have to make sure the edges are really smooth. Since the LP is blown to the correct shape, there is no stress at the bend.

For that price, I'd do it again.

My windshield is clear. I found a bronze tinted film film that blocks IR/UV to try and keep the plane from turning into a greenhouse. I cut it to fit the upper part of the windshield. The only problem I had with that is that applying it was a project for a winter afternoon. I did it on the family room floor. The film carries quite a static charge and it attracted every clump of cat hair in the house.

Ken Davy

Classic IV - Rotax 912

Pat,
We could help. Windshield in clear $380 and the light smoke
tint is $456 + shipping..

Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of patrick reilly
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 4 :35 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: LP Windshield

Ken, Do you know the thickness of the LP windshield? I looked at their
website. I could fin only listed certified aircraft windshields. How do you
index the Kitfox in their wesite catalog? I increased my cabin width 4 1/2
inches at the shoulders. Murle Williams out of Phoenix, AZ sells a 5 inch
steel kit, I built mine out of wood. I had to reform the door frames. I have
the old widows and windshield for patterns. I planned on buying Lexan sheet
locally and making my windshield, turtleback and bubble doors. How much did
the LP winshield sell for?
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 Rebuild
Rockford, IL

________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:15:49 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Build Problems? From: "jlfernan" I've been lurking here for a few weeks and have noticed something unusual. Very few of the postings here are for problems. I'm selling a Vans RV-9A QB that I've put approx. 547 hours into building. I've become very frustrated where it seems every part you put in has to massage in order for it to fit right. On the Matronics RV list, many of the postings are from people having trouble which I don't see on this list. Are these aircraft that much more builder friendly, is it the factory support or both? Just curious. -------- Jorge Fernandez N214JL Reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=159962#159962 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:26:38 AM PST US From: "fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: LP Windshield Something to keep in mind about the LP windshields and doors is that they're made of acrylic, not polycarbonate (lexan). Lexan is very tough and bendable, but scratches if you look too closely at it. It has its advantages, but the LP acrylic units, which is the same as what is used on certified aircraft, is much more scratch resistant and very strong. With proper care and hangared, it will probably last more than ten years, maybe much more. I have both the LP windshield and doors that have been on since early 2000 and still look as good as new. They're easily polished with car wax. Yes, they're more expensive, but in the long run, they're actually cheaper than Lexan. Deke Morisse Mikado Michigan S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress." - Joseph Joubert From: davyken@comcast.net To: Kitfox Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:47 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: LP Windshield Thanks John, I ordered mine several years ago so I couldn't quote the current price. It's been installed for a while so I don't know the exact thickness but it was a noticeable difference. It has a much more solid feel than the Lexan. There was an chain on the list quite some time ago about the stress at the bend in the Lexan. A friend of mine in the Chicago area installed his windshield before me. There was a bang and the Lexan broke in half. If you're going to use the Lexan, you have to make sure the edges are really smooth. Since the LP is blown to the correct shape, there is no stress at the bend. For that price, I'd do it again. My windshield is clear. I found a bronze tinted film film that blocks IR/UV to try and keep the plane from turning into a greenhouse. I cut it to fit the upper part of the windshield. The only problem I had with that is that applying it was a project for a winter afternoon. I did it on the family room floor. The film carries quite a static charge and it attracted every clump of cat hair in the house. Ken Davy Classic IV - Rotax 912 Pat, We could help. Windshield in clear $380 and the light smoke tint is $456 + shipping.. Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean 208.337.5111 www.kitfoxaircraft.com "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of patrick reilly Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 4 :35 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: LP Windshield Ken, Do you know the thickness of the LP windshield? I looked at their website. I could fin only listed certified aircraft windshields. How do you index the Kitfox in their wesite catalog? I increased my cabin width 4 1/2 inches at the shoulders. Murle Williams out of Phoenix, AZ sells a 5 inch steel kit, I built mine out of wood. I had to reform the door frames. I have the old widows and windshield for patterns. I planned on buying Lexan sheet locally and making my windshield, turtleback and bubble doors. How much did the LP winshield sell for? Pat Reilly Mod 3 Rebuild Rockford, IL ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:46:28 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Build Problems? Part of it may just be the timing. If you've only been lurking for a few weeks, you may not have hit the peak "problem hour". When I started to build my Kitfox IV, about 3 years ago, it annoyed me greatly that people were talking about flying, and not about building, which is what I wanted to read/talk about. I'd post a question about building, and check a couple of hours later, and find a gazillion posts about speeds, temperatures, prop settings, etc. Now that I'm done and flying, I've become one of the annoying ones....but I don't want to take ALL the credit. : ) In reality, the instructions are very good that come with the kit, factory support is good, and it's a lot simpler kit to build, from what I've seen of the RV's. Of course different skills are required between the two makes. Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/460+ hrs do not archive On Jan 23, 2008, at 10:13 AM, jlfernan wrote: > > I've been lurking here for a few weeks and have noticed something > unusual. Very few of the postings here are for problems. I'm > selling a Vans RV-9A QB that I've put approx. 547 hours into > building. I've become very frustrated where it seems every part > you put in has to massage in order for it to fit right. On the > Matronics RV list, many of the postings are from people having > trouble which I don't see on this list. Are these aircraft that > much more builder friendly, is it the factory support or both? Just > curious. > > -------- > Jorge Fernandez > N214JL Reserved > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=159962#159962 > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:22:54 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Build Problems? From: "wingnut" I'd guess that it has more to do with the shear number of people building RVs compared to Kitfoxes (Anyone know the numbers?). Not to say that more people wouldn't be building Kitfoxes if they could. While the Kitfox design is very mature, the current company hasn't really been around very long and there was a period after the previous company closed shop where you couldn't buy a Kitfox if you wanted to. > On the Matronics RV list, many of the postings are from people having trouble which I don't see on this list. Are these aircraft that much more builder friendly, is it the factory support or both? Just curious. -------- Luis Rodriguez Model IV 1200 Rotax 912UL Flying Weekly Laurens, SC (34A) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=159979#159979 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:05:24 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Build Problems? From: "darinh" Having built much an RV7 and now a Kitfox, I would say that the Kitfox is not any easier to built just different. They are really completely different types of construction. The RV was a ground up built of aluminum and rivets. With the Kitfox, the fuse comes built all you do is assemble the sub-assemblies and install them. The wing is a different matter unless you have the quickbuild wing which mine is thank goodness. Everybody asks me how I learned to build airplanes and all I say is that I learned to read and follow instructions...all I am doing is assembling an airplane not building or designing. It is not much different then building my 5-year old's legos (that is a bit of a stretch but really not a lot different until you start making mods, then it gets fun). The Kitfox support is great and the manual doesn't leave a whole lot to the builders imagination. I must defend the RV as well, my RV kit was completely pre-drilled and pre-punched so it went together like a puzzle and was a joy to build...actually, I wish I still had it and plan to build another in a couple years. Both are awesome airplanes...completely different in their construction and mission. -------- Darin Hawkes Series 7 (under Construction) 914 Turbo Kaysville, Utah Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=159987#159987 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:45:40 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Build Problems? From: "n85ae" I'm building a Zenith 801, and have already built a series 5 Kitfox. I think a lot has to do with your own expectations. I originally expected that these kits would be high quality, the parts would fit well, etc. So I was encountering difficulties all the time, and was frustrated a lot. Then I changed my mind set to - OK these aren't really kits at all but a loose collection of semi-formed parts, and an even looser set of crude notes that are called "instructions". With people who don't neccesarily care if you finish it, providing support (since they already got your money for the stuff) :) After I made that mental switch I no longer have nearly as many problems because I don't expect anything to fit right any longer, and I don't expect anybody to help me either so now I'm mentally prepared for the worst going into each part of the project, everything now just seems so much easier. :) Helping my kids with Lego projects, now THAT is the real challenge! Regards, Jeff Hays Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=160006#160006 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:47:42 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: How much money have you spent? From: "n85ae" I put everything I wanted in my series 5 and spent $65K on it. Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=160007#160007 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:59:46 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 2-stroke Oil From: "Perkins, Mike" Hi Guy, All of us 2-cyc drivers know that snake oil has fewer opinions going for it than 2-cyc oil.. . . That having been said, for the first 100 hours on my 532, I used AV-2 (from CPS) and then did a"top" overhaul - the rings were stuck. I knew that Rotax used to recommend Pennzoil, don't know if they still do. But back then, that was enough for me. So I switched to Pennzoil 4130. After 200 hours more, no stuck rings. As we know that 4130 oil has been renumbered and put into 8-oz bottles. That's ok by me - rings are doing much better, even with smaller bottles. But the gas I use, the kind of flying I do, my B gearbox as opposed to your C box, the 582 vs. the 532, my GSC prop vs your Warp, my warm-up procedures, etc., are all different from yours. I just know that I would not make an experiment out of 2-cyc oil for the inconvenience of a smaller bottle size. Best regards, Mike Perkins EAA TC and FA ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:05:35 PM PST US From: patrick reilly Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Build Problems? Darin, Which RV will you build? When I get my Kitfox rebuild done, I'd like an RV4. Pat Reilly Mod 3 Rebuild Rockford, IL> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Build Problems?> From: gerns25@nets cape.net> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 09:01:04 -0800> To: kitfox-list@matronics. > Having built much an RV7 and now a Kitfox, I would say that the Kitfox is not any easier to built just different. They are really completely differe nt types of construction. The RV was a ground up built of aluminum and rive ts. With the Kitfox, the fuse comes built all you do is assemble the sub-as semblies and install them. The wing is a different matter unless you have t he quickbuild wing which mine is thank goodness. Everybody asks me how I le arned to build airplanes and all I say is that I learned to read and follow instructions...all I am doing is assembling an airplane not building or de signing. It is not much different then building my 5-year old's legos (that is a bit of a stretch but really not a lot different until you start makin g mods, then it gets fun).> > The Kitfox support is great and the manual do esn't leave a whole lot to the builders imagination. I must defend the RV a s well, my RV kit was completely pre-drilled and pre-punched so it went tog ether like a puzzle and was a joy to build...actually, I wish I still had i t and plan to build another in a couple years.> > Both are awesome airplane s...completely different in their construction and mission.> > --------> Da rin Hawkes> Series 7 (under Construction)> 914 Turbo> Kaysville, Utah> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p =============> > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:13:19 PM PST US From: patrick reilly Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: LP Windshield John & Debra, The windshield you supply, what is it made of and how thick i s it. And, Is the light smoke the entire windshield? Thank You Pat Reilly Mod 3 Rebuild Rockford ,IL From: fox5flyer@idealwifi.netTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Kitf ox-List: LP WindshieldDate: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 10:22:55 -0500 Something to keep in mind about the LP windshields and doors is that they'r e made of acrylic, not polycarbonate (lexan). Lexan is very tough and bend able, but scratches if you look too closely at it. It has its advantages, but the LP acrylic units, which is the same as what is used on certified ai rcraft, is much more scratch resistant and very strong. With proper care a nd hangared, it will probably last more than ten years, maybe much more. I have both the LP windshield and doors that have been on since early 2000 a nd still look as good as new. They're easily polished with car wax. Yes, they're more expensive, but in the long run, they're actually cheaper than Lexan. Deke MorisseMikado MichiganS5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress."- Joseph Joubert From: davyken@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:47 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: LP Windshield Thanks John, I ordered mine several years ago so I couldn't quote the curr ent price. It's been installed for a while so I don't know the exact thick ness but it was a noticeable difference. It has a much more solid feel tha n the Lexan. There was an chain on the list quite some time ago about the stress at the bend in the Lexan. A friend of mine in the Chicago area inst alled his windshield before me. There was a bang and the Lexan broke in ha lf. If you're going to use the Lexan, you have to make sure the edges are really smooth. Since the LP is blown to the correct shape, there is no str ess at the bend. For that price, I'd do it again. My windshield is clear. I found a bronze tinted film film that blocks IR/ UV to try and keep the plane from turning into a greenhouse. I cut it to f it the upper part of the windshield. The only problem I had with that is t hat applying it was a project for a winter afternoon. I did it on the fami ly room floor. The film carries quite a static charge and it attracted eve ry clump of cat hair in the house. Ken Davy Classic IV - Rotax 912 Pat, We could help. Windshield in clear $380 and the light smok etint is $456 + shipping..Fly Safe !!John & Debra McBean208.337.5111www.kit foxaircraft.com"It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"-----Original Message--- --From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-ser ver@matronics.com]On Behalf Of patrick reillySent: Tuesday, January 22, 200 8 4 :35 PMSubject: RE: Kitfox-List: LP WindshieldKen, Do you know the thick ness of the LP windshield? I looked at theirwebsite. I could fin only liste d certified aircraft windshields. How do youindex the Kitfox in their wesit e catalog? I increased my cabin width 4 1/2inches at the shoulders. Murle W illiams out of Phoenix, AZ sells a 5 inchsteel kit, I built mine out of woo d. I had to reform the door frames. I havethe old widows and windshield for patterns. I planned on buying Lexan sheetlocally and making my windshield, turtleback and bubble doors. How much didthe LP winshield sell for?Pat Rei llyMod 3 RebuildRockford, IL href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhr ef="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:23:59 PM PST US From: patrick reilly Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: good source for 582 cranks There is no opening bid yet and the reserve is much, much, much higher. @matronics.comSubject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: good source for 582 cranks It was posted....> "If you want to gamble on cranks here is one bid is 10$ "> http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250208788035&ssPageN ame=ADME:B:SS:CA:1123 _________________________________________________________________ A quote from the sellers E-Bay page, who has a 99.3% positive feedback rati ng..... http://stores.ebay.ca/ULTRALIGHT-AIRCRAFT-ROTAX-SALES "I am a certified ROTAX service center, and A&P, I buy and sell ROTAX parts new and used. I specialize in good used ROTAX 2 cycle engines of all kinds for ULTRALIGHT and EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFT. I also buy and sell ULTRALIGHT a nd EXPERIMENT AIRCRAFT and sell parts. I am also a dealer for KRUCKER float " Certified ROTAX Service Center? A&P? What more would one want? I'd say the "odds" are in the buyers favor. Steve Benesh A&P, IA "5" 912UL ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:26:50 PM PST US From: patrick reilly Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: good source for 582 cranks Dave, You are not the Dave Goddard that greew up in Somonauk, IL by any cha nce, are you? Pat Reilly Mod 3 Rebuild Rockford, IL> From: occom@ns.sympatico.ca> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> S ubject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: good source for 582 cranks> Date: Tue, 22 Jan ns.sympatico.ca>> > Relax guys. Leonard, I'm going to call TMR and talk to them about their > cranks. I may buy one or I may not. I'm an experienced m echanic but I am > unfamiliar with this engine and should I choose to get i t zero timed by a > Rotax repair shop, it is unlikely he will be willing to use a crank from > somewhere else. Something to consider.> > I can also bu y a new long block engine, mod 99 with no accessories for a > little more t han a zero time rebuild, another choice to consider.> > I never intended fo r this to become an issue here the email I sent was > intended to go direct ly to Leonard and I copied the list in error.> > Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/ -======================== ========> > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:17:53 PM PST US From: "Dave G." Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: good source for 582 cranks Nope, But I'm sure he's a great guy. I am a Canadian living in Nova Scotia. I have several American relatives but none sharing the same name. Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/582 do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: patrick reilly To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:24 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: good source for 582 cranks Dave, You are not the Dave Goddard that greew up in Somonauk, IL by any chance, are you? Pat Reilly Mod 3 Rebuild Rockford, IL > From: occom@ns.sympatico.ca > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: good source for 582 cranks > Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:17:37 -0400 > > > Relax guys. Leonard, I'm going to call TMR and talk to them about their > cranks. I may buy one or I may not. I'm an experienced mechanic but I am > unfamiliar with this engine and should I choose to get it zero timed by a > Rotax repair shop, it is unlikely he will be willing to use a crank from > somewhere else. Something to consider. > > I can also buy a new long block engine, mod 99 with no accessories for a > little more than a zero time rebuild, another choice to consider. > > I never intended for this to become an issue here the email I sent was > intended to go directly to Leonard and I copied the list in error. > > Dave Goddard- Mod IV 10====== > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:04:38 PM PST US From: Gerald Jantzi Subject: Kitfox-List: tachometer need some help info I have A uma tachometer for rotax 912 it has 3 wires red to battery positive back to battery negative white to engine , however the engine has blue and white what do I do with the extra wire. Gerry --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:20:14 PM PST US From: "Roger McConnell" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: tachometer I think the extra wire goes to ground. Roger McConnell, Duncan, OK Model 7 Trigear, Rotax 912uls Flying sense Jan. 06 _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Jantzi Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:02 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: tachometer need some help info I have A uma tachometer for rotax 912 it has 3 wires red to battery positive back to battery negative white to engine , however the engine has blue and white what do I do with the extra wire. Gerry ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:05:22 PM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: tachometer At 06:01 PM 1/23/2008, you wrote: > need some help info I have A uma tachometer for rotax > 912 it has 3 wires red to battery positive back to battery > negative white to engine , however the engine has blue and > white what do I do with the extra wire. Hi Gerry. Try posting this to the Rotax list: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com as well. There are a lot of 912 drivers there. 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