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1. 06:06 AM - Light sport expo and Rotax school (Catz631@aol.com)
2. 06:50 AM - Re: Replacement tire source? (Tom Jones)
3. 07:20 AM - Re: Build Problems? (Tom Jones)
4. 07:24 AM - Re: Light sport expo and Rotax school (Tom Jones)
5. 08:05 AM - Re: Light sport expo and Rotax school (Guy Buchanan)
6. 09:02 AM - Re: Light sport expo and Rotax school (delta42)
7. 09:15 AM - Re: Aluminum Belly Pan (n85ae)
8. 09:34 AM - Re: Light sport expo and Rotax school (dave)
9. 09:51 AM - Re: Re: Light sport expo and Rotax school (84KF)
10. 10:23 AM - Re: Light sport expo and Rotax school (delta42)
11. 06:33 PM - Re: Light sport expo and Rotax school (delta42)
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| Subject: | Light sport expo and Rotax school |
I just returned from the Light sport expo @ Sebring ,Fl.Wx was lousy but
there must have been about 100 examples of new Light Sports. The field is growing
! Saw the Euro and Apollo Foxes. They have really done some nice improvements
on the Kitfox (at a price of course ! )
I highly recommend Lockwoods Rotax courses. I spent 4 days tearing down a
912 and learning the function of each item and how to do the carb sync, parts
replacement etc.Dean Vogel is one of the best instructors I have ever had(
including my 20 years as a military pilot and 20 airline) A first class operation.
As a "newbie" I now feel comfortable with this "strange" engine (vs Cont/Lyc)
Dick Maddux
Fox 4-1200
Pensacola,Fl
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| Subject: | Re: Replacement tire source? |
Ron, here is a link to a thread with several suggestions on where to find tires. http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=33014&highlight=tires
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Tom Jones
Classic IV, Phase one
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Build Problems? |
> I've become very frustrated where it seems every part you put in has to massage
in order for it to fit right. On the Matronics RV list, many of the postings
are from people having trouble which I don't see on this list. Are these aircraft
that much more builder friendly, is it the factory support or both? Just
curious.
Jorge, the rule that lets us fly airplanes we build ourselves says the purpose
is for "Education and recreation". The building part is heavy on education and
the flying part is heavy on recreation. Also we must fabricate, not just assemble
factory made parts to meet the "Major portion" of the amateur built requirement.
My experience with building the Kitfox was that the construction manual was very
complete and easy to understand and follow. There is some massaging of parts
and sometimes it takes a while to make a part fit perfectly. Being built from
"Bed sheets and broom sticks", so to speak, this was not the case for most
and definetly not a lot of my Kitfox parts. There were a few steps that stumped
me for a while and I had to talk with the factory a few times to get it figured
out. Most often I got the help I needed right here on the kitfox list.
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Tom Jones
Classic IV, Phase one
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Light sport expo and Rotax school |
> Saw the Euro and Apollo Foxes. They have really done some nice improvements on
the Kitfox (at a price of course ! )
Imitation is the highest form of flattery. do not archive
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Tom Jones
Classic IV, Phase one
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Light sport expo and Rotax school |
At 06:02 AM 1/25/2008, you wrote:
>Saw the Euro and Apollo Foxes. They have really done some nice
>improvements on the Kitfox (at a price of course ! )
Dick,
Can you elucidate any of these? It would be great
information for the builders.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Light sport expo and Rotax school |
Guy Buchanan wrote:
> At 06:02 AM 1/25/2008, you wrote:
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> > Saw the Euro and Apollo Foxes. They have really done some nice
> > improvements on the Kitfox (at a price of course ! )
> >
> >
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> Dick,
> Can you elucidate any of these? It would be great
> information for the builders.
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> San Diego, CA
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
As a Eurofox owner, here are a few things my plane has that a kitfox (may not)I
m not that familiar with the kitfox so please correct me I mis-speak
EF has composite gear
EF uses a composite leading edge;
EF uses a composite flaperons (well balanced)
EF has changed the wing a little (lots of research)
EF has acrylic windscreen
EF 2 piece turtle back
EF has flat gas caps
James
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Belly Pan |
Hmm ... Good old Dad is an aero engineer, and owns an aerospace company
http://www.michiganaerospace.com when I built my Kitfox with the grove
gear I asked him what he thought about the drag created by the bar between
the attach points, I was considering fairing it in. His exact words were, that
it
would be a "total waste of time" since the Kitfox is so draggy anyway, and
that it was most likely in an area of turbulated airflow anyway that there
would probably not be much if any gain to be had by doing so. I didn't do
it, and my Kitfox like all the other IO-240 kitfoxes cruises about 120, and
tops out at 140. Probably the only thing on the plane worth drag reduction
is the lift struts.
Likewise with regard to the belly, I simply fabric'd it, and have never scuffed
nor nicked it. The only thing that's likely to hit the belly is brush,
and my thought would be that if brush is hitting the belly that the prop
didn't chop off first, you've got problems anyway ... Well if the props
hitting brush, you got problems in any case. So I think an aluminum
belly pan is a big time waster also.
Those are just my opinions, but mine's been flying for about five years now, and
I'm happy with it as it is. A lot of this stuff seems to me idea's
from the building process that don't neccessarily translate into real gains
when the plane is actually being used.
Regards,
Jeff Hays
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| Subject: | Re: Light sport expo and Rotax school |
> As a Eurofox owner, here are a few things my plane has that a kitfox (may not)I
m not that familiar with the kitfox so please
James what kind of performance numbers do you get in the EF ?
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Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Light sport expo and Rotax school |
http://www.eurofox-usa.com/
http://www.tampabayaerosport.com/ApolloFox.html
On Jan 25, 2008 12:31 PM, dave <dave@cfisher.com> wrote:
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> > As a Eurofox owner, here are a few things my plane has that a kitfox
> (may not)=85I' m not that familiar with the kitfox so please
>
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> James what kind of performance numbers do you get in the EF ?
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> Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
> Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
> http://www.cfisher.com/
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=160440#160440
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| Subject: | Re: Light sport expo and Rotax school |
I have found that AeroPro and Rob (the distributor) are very conservative with
their numbers.
The Eurofox is the 1st plane I have ever flow that performed better then book value.
For me, I constantly see 1350 fpm solo (75lbs fuel) and 1000fpm duel on
climb out.
Actually, I have a problem right now because when I fly solo with temps in the
40-50s (DA=1500), I have a hard time keeping the plane out of the yellow arc and
my engine (rotax912uls) above the recommended 5000 rpm. I constantly fly around
at 125 mph at 5000 rpm. If I encounter turbulence, I have to pull the rpms
to 4750 or below.
Mine stalls around 38mph indicated (really a mush more then anything). There web
site says t/o is 260----if solo, hold full aft stick, apply full power, calm
wind, make sure you nose over asap when airborne, ------that number is VERY conservative.
I think the 1232 gross weight thing is more a product of the European micro light
then anything else.
If anybody has a specific question about the EF, let me know. I consider us cousins
I guess.
James
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| Subject: | Re: Light sport expo and Rotax school |
Update---I went flying today and I was getting only 1000fpm solo. Outside temp
was 33 and 2/3 tank fuel.
James
delta42 wrote:
> I have found that AeroPro and Rob (the distributor) are very conservative with
their numbers.
>
> The Eurofox is the 1st plane I have ever flow that performed better then book
value. For me, I constantly see 1350 fpm solo (75lbs fuel) and 1000fpm duel on
climb out.
> Actually, I have a problem right now because when I fly solo with temps in the
40-50s (DA=1500), I have a hard time keeping the plane out of the yellow arc
and my engine (rotax912uls) above the recommended 5000 rpm. I constantly fly
around at 125 mph at 5000 rpm. If I encounter turbulence, I have to pull the rpms
to 4750 or below.
> Mine stalls around 38mph indicated (really a mush more then anything). There
web site says t/o is 260----if solo, hold full aft stick, apply full power, calm
wind, make sure you nose over asap when airborne, ------that number is VERY
conservative.
> I think the 1232 gross weight thing is more a product of the European micro light
then anything else.
>
> If anybody has a specific question about the EF, let me know. I consider us cousins
I guess.
>
> James
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