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1. 01:04 AM - Re: Luggage Pod ideas (Michel Verheughe)
2. 04:53 AM - Re: Luggage Pod ideas (fox5flyer)
3. 04:57 AM - Re: Console covering (Lynn Matteson)
4. 05:20 AM - Re: Console covering (W Duke)
5. 05:22 AM - Re: Luggage Pod ideas (Lynn Matteson)
6. 05:29 AM - Re: Super Sport builders on East Coast? (W Duke)
7. 05:37 AM - Re: Completed Kitfoxes (W Duke)
8. 05:37 AM - Re: Completed Kitfoxes (W Duke)
9. 05:58 AM - Re: Info found on HVLP gun setup! (Harold Flynn)
10. 06:25 AM - Re: Luggage Pod ideas (Perkins, Mike)
11. 08:30 AM - Re: (jdmcbean)
12. 08:49 AM - Re: 912S oil temp (KFN102LG@aol.com)
13. 09:20 AM - Re: Console covering (Noel Loveys)
14. 09:36 AM - Re: 912S oil temp (Randy Lervold)
15. 11:49 AM - Re: Luggage Pod ideas (Noel Loveys)
16. 02:18 PM - Re: 912S oil temp (lazflyn)
17. 03:01 PM - Re: Re: 912S oil temp (Vic Baker)
18. 03:36 PM - Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 30 Msgs - 01/27/08 (charles cook)
19. 03:47 PM - Re: 912S oil temp (dcsfoto)
20. 04:34 PM - Re: 912S oil temp (Guy Buchanan)
21. 04:39 PM - Re: 912S oil temp (lazflyn)
22. 04:41 PM - Re: 582 bleeding coolant (Guy Buchanan)
23. 06:43 PM - Re: 582 bleeding coolant (dave)
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| Subject: | Luggage Pod ideas |
> From: fox5flyer [fox5flyer@idealwifi.net]
>I thought the same thing about sailboats too. Seems the pointy
> end should be facing aft.
Boats have a slightly different problem, Deke; the move at the border of tw
o medium, air and water. When sailing close to the wind, waves meeting the
bow have enough energy to put the boat to a near halt. But larger vessels t
hat then meet 'smaller waves' often have today a so-called bulbous bow, whi
ch is more hydro-dynamic. The 'perfect' submarine would be shaped like an e
gg with the blunt side forward, and ending in a tail that would be nine tim
es the length of the egg. At least, that what I read when I was designing y
achts. Note that all modern sailboats have a keel with a NACA profile. Even
the rudder is often using such a profile. So, there isn't so much differen
ce between the air and the water but ... the waves present a different chal
lenge. The best hull - not for speed but for a pleasant sea motion - is a s
ymetrical hull with the bow slighly rounded ... which is how my sailboat is
! :-) It is based on the traditional Colin Archer type of symetrical hull b
ut it has a modern fin keel with NACA profile. The best of tradition and mo
dern technology. But it won't go as fast as those modern racers that look m
ore like a houswife iron with a wide and flat end. That's the only way to e
xceed the so-called displacement speed and ease the pulling of the stern wa
ve. But those hulls are potentially dangerous since once upside down, they
won't rightene easily, being buoyant stable with the mast pointing down. Th
e sailboat type I have, however, will do a 360 knockdown with no problem at
all. In fact one of them even did a pitchpole, i.e. went around over the b
ow.
At sea just like in the air, it's all a question of compromising; a fast cr
aft vs. a safe craft.
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Re: Luggage Pod ideas |
Actually, Michel. I was only kidding about the sailboats and I should have
put one of those little smiley thing in there, but thanks for the
explanation anyway. Very interesting.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 3:59 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Luggage Pod ideas
> From: fox5flyer [fox5flyer@idealwifi.net]
>I thought the same thing about sailboats too. Seems the pointy
> end should be facing aft.
Boats have a slightly different problem, Deke; the move at the border of two
medium, air and water. When sailing close to the wind, waves meeting the bow
have enough energy to put the boat to a near halt. But larger vessels that
then meet 'smaller waves' often have today a so-called bulbous bow, which is
more hydro-dynamic. The 'perfect' submarine would be shaped like an egg with
the blunt side forward, and ending in a tail that would be nine times the
length of the egg. At least, that what I read when I was designing yachts.
Note that all modern sailboats have a keel with a NACA profile. Even the
rudder is often using such a profile. So, there isn't so much difference
between the air and the water but ... the waves present a different
challenge. The best hull - not for speed but for a pleasant sea motion - is
a symetrical hull with the bow slighly rounded ... which is how my sailboat
is! :-) It is based on the traditional Colin Archer type of symetrical hull
but it has a modern fin keel with NACA profile. The best of tradition and
modern technology. But it won't go as fast as those modern racers that look
more like a houswife iron with a wide and flat end. That's the only way to
exceed the so-called displacement speed and ease the pulling of the stern
wave. But those hulls are potentially dangerous since once upside down, they
won't rightene easily, being buoyant stable with the mast pointing down. The
sailboat type I have, however, will do a 360 knockdown with no problem at
all. In fact one of them even did a pitchpole, i.e. went around over the
bow.
At sea just like in the air, it's all a question of compromising; a fast
craft vs. a safe craft.
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Re: Console covering |
The "slot behind the bars" can also be opened up and used for a
defroster opening...that's what I did.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/460+ hrs
On Jan 27, 2008, at 10:02 PM, Cudnohufsky's wrote:
> Deke,
> Something a little different to ponder, I primed my glare shield
> and then shot it with Fleck paint to give it a textured finish then
> shot it with a satin black paint, the textured finish helps on
> glare and also hides any imperfections in the glass. I setup my
> shield so it intersects the bars in the center of the windscreen
> where they come together so all that was needed was a slot in the
> glare shield to install. Leading edge will receive a rubber edge
> molding. Great glare reduction, min weight, slot behind the bars
> can be covered with a velcro installed patch.
> Lloyd C
> Upper Mi.
> Mod 5-912ul
> Rebuild
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| Subject: | Re: Console covering |
I bought some extra fabric from Sam Knight along with my interior. First flight
4/2003. always hangared but still looks good.
Maxwell
Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com> wrote:
At 06:38 AM 1/27/2008, you wrote:
Now I need to recover with something.
What have some of you used to cover your console that has lasted? I'm just looking
for alternatives to what I've already tried and didn't work very well. Vinyl
contact paper was suggested, but I don't know where to find something suitable
and of course, color would be a limiting factor.
The top of my panel has nauga glued down with industrial strength contact adhesive.
It's only been around about 5 years without much sun, though.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Luggage Pod ideas |
On Jan 28, 2008, at 3:59 AM, Michel Verheughe wrote:
> look more like a houswife iron
You mean "like an airplane builder's iron" don't you Michel? : )
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/460+ hrs
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| Subject: | Re: Super Sport builders on East Coast? |
Series 6 complete with IO240 in Dublin GA.
Maxwell Duke
MDHazelden <mdhazelden@yahoo.com> wrote:
Anyone on East Coast building or own a Super Sport? I would like to see one in
person and talk with someone who has built one. Not sure I can wait until Sun
and Fun.
Thanks
Mark Hazelden
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Maxwell Duke
S6/TD/IO240
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| Subject: | Re: Completed Kitfoxes |
This time I will paste the link. Sorry. www.sportflight.com
Maxwell
jlfernan <jlfernan@bellsouth.net> wrote:
For those of us looking to build, I would love to see a section devoted to completed
kits and panels, more than just the few Kitfox has on their site. This would
provide inspiration and motivation to get/keep us going. :)
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N214JL Reserved
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| Subject: | Re: Completed Kitfoxes |
Try this link. Not specifically what you asked for but lots of photos and ideas.
Maxwell Duke S6/TD/IO240
jlfernan <jlfernan@bellsouth.net> wrote:
For those of us looking to build, I would love to see a section devoted to completed
kits and panels, more than just the few Kitfox has on their site. This would
provide inspiration and motivation to get/keep us going. :)
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| Subject: | Re: Info found on HVLP gun setup! |
Hey guys ! You've heard the saying that sometimes you only get what you pay for.
Well this is one of those times.I've been around paint shops for about 35 years.
I know for a fact that you will never ever get a $1000 paint job out of a
$20 dollar gun. You don't need 20 years of painting experience to do a nice paint
job but you do need good equipment and when it comes paint guns you get what
you pay for.Binks and Sharps are both good guns but you have to buy a good
one. Good starts around $250+. If your getting ready to paint a $30,000 dollar
airplane I highly recommend you purchase a good quility paint gun! Also a really
nice paint job starts with good preperation. Paint does'nt cover up poor
preperation it just magnifies it!
I have the 43430 which I used to paint a rocket back in July... in
Phoenix... 110F-115F...
I was using a krylon water based paint recommended by a buddy of mine.
The gun worked flawlessly,
but the paint was almost dry by the time it hit the airframe. I went
through 2 qts of primer, and one coat of
white. (Rocket is 16" Diameter and 11ft long.) I was pretty happy with
the gun, but I'm also an amateur and
supposed I wouldn't know a great gun from a so-so gun.
I'll be using it again in the next couple of months with 'normal'
temperatures... 80's to 90's... relatively low humidity and
we'll see how it goes.
Ron
Vic Baker wrote:
> Harbor Freight HVLP? I bought a Sharp HVLP, around $120 as I
> recall. Marginal results, you must clean, lub and renew the internal
> filter often. A friend finally tired of my complaints, loaned me his
> Binks HVLP. Whole new world. I'm keeping the Sharp for the patio
> furniture.
>
>
>
> Vic Baker
> S7 912S Warp 95%
> Carson City, Nv
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* SUE MICHAELS
> *To:* kitfox-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 27, 2008 9:15 AM
> *Subject:* Kitfox-List: Info found on HVLP gun setup!
>
> Found an interesting web that describes how to set up the Harbor
> Freight's current HVLP spray gun # 43430. Harbor Freight has them
> on sale for $40.00 in the store price but go to their WEB site and
> buy it for $20.00. Even if you don't like it, for 20 bucks you can
> always paint the patio furniture with it. No, I have not tried it
> but I ordered one.
>
> http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/techinfo/HVLPspraygun.html
>
> George
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| Subject: | Re: Luggage Pod ideas |
With a Sears luggage pod pointed either way, I'm not sure what would
happen to your aircraft's center of pressure. But I imagine it would be
far from a neutral change. The aircraft baggage pods I recall seeing
have been the bullet-nose-and-tail design - there might be a good reason
for that shape.
Mike Perkins
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We do offer them
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of RAY Gignac
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 8:57 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List:
Looking for a cargo pod for my Model IV. Does anyone have one to sell or
can help me in the right direction.
Thanks
Ray
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| Subject: | Re: 912S oil temp |
What's too high? Have you checked the gauge for accuracy? Hoses not soft
and collapsing from suction?
Larry
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| Subject: | Console covering |
I have my panel painted.. The guy who built the plane did it that way to
help keep it light but if I had it to do again that's what I would do.
On the other hand I was thinking that if you really wanted to hide the
screws, rivets etc. There are two handy things you could use. The first is
the same cloth you used on the plane. Glue it around the edge, instruments
etc., and shrink it. Then finish it with latex paint. Another idea I have
is to use soundproofing wall foam. It is similar to wall paper, which also
could be used, but has about 1/8" of foam on the back. That stuff should be
available in a nice wood grain. Finally the cheapest idea I have would be
to use a piece of cushion floor or linoleum. You can even get that stuff to
look like marble if that's what you want.
Signature
Noel Loveys
Campbellton, NL, Canada
CDN AME intern, PP-Rec
C-FINB, Kitfox III-A
582 B box, Ivo IFA, Aerocet 1100 floats
noelloveys@yahoo.ca
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clint Bazzill
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 4:00 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Console covering
I used some black thin carpet that is used in RV's. It is great and have a
lot extra, contact me off line. Clint
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Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Console covering
Contact paper is in the housewares dept of WalMart, Target etc. Its worth a
try because the cost in minimal.
PW
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mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of fox5flyer
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 7:39 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Console covering
When I built my S5 (1st flight May 2000) I chose to cover the console top
side with Cordura fabric to match the seats. My biggest reason for using
fabric was to cover up all of the rivets that would have been visible had I
painted it. I used spray on 3M adhesive and it held up for about three
years and since then it has gradually worked loose and looked unsightly so I
removed it. Now I need to recover with something.
What have some of you used to cover your console that has lasted? I'm just
looking for alternatives to what I've already tried and didn't work very
well. Vinyl contact paper was suggested, but I don't know where to find
something suitable and of course, color would be a limiting factor.
Any suggestions out there?
Thanks,
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT
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| Subject: | Re: 912S oil temp |
As a lurker and someone considering starting a Super Sport, does the
standard 912S package not have thermostats for both the oil and coolant
systems?
Randy Lervold
2-time RV builder, Kitfox maybe
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From: KFN102LG@aol.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912S oil temp
What's too high? Have you checked the gauge for accuracy? Hoses not
soft and collapsing from suction?
Larry
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| Subject: | Luggage Pod ideas |
That shape keeps a high pressure area on the top of the Pod so it won't tear
the top off your car or cause you to become airborne.
If mounted upside down on the belly of the plane I would expect it to carry
some of its own weight in flight. The closures would have to be
strengthened if you were to put any appreciable weight in it.
The shape I like is the shape of the Airstream trailers. I've talked to
owners and they tell me the Airstream tows a lot better than the normal
square jobs. Possibly a pod with a teardrop shape... big end forward would
be optimal. Something like half an aerodynamic strut. Just make sure no
air can pass between the fuselage and the Pod or it may drag you down.
Motorcycle manufacturers have been for years making removable luggage for
their bikes. That is the sort of quick attach thinking I'd like to see for
planes. Less than a minute to install and can be carried directly into one
of those campgrounds with a number on the door. J
One of my friends told me that he liked the Full-Lotus floats because he
could put his fishing rod in the main tube from the front and it would stay
there... no break down required. I liked the idea so I mounted a piece of
2.5" black PVC tube to the pilot side float strut on my plane . It holds a
fly rod and a spinning rod... looks ok too, sort of like a step to get into
the plane. One of these years I may get around to painting it to match the
struts. Air pressure from the slipstream keeps the rods in... no clips or
anything! I do make a habit of checking my reels are secure before putting
the rods in my holder. It sure makes wetting a line a lot faster... it also
makes getting airborne faster.
Noel
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perkins, Mike
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Luggage Pod ideas
With a Sears luggage pod pointed either way, I'm not sure what would happen
to your aircraft's center of pressure. But I imagine it would be far from a
neutral change. The aircraft baggage pods I recall seeing have been the
bullet-nose-and-tail design - there might be a good reason for that shape.
Mike Perkins
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| Subject: | Re: 912S oil temp |
Wow! Thanks for the quick response guys!
First off, to Mr. "Lurker" (aka. Randy) - Are you trying to hijack my thread?
Just kidding, but to answer your question: The 912S that I have does NOT include
an oil thermostat. That is an upgrade you can purchase from Lockwood, I do
believe.
Guys, I do have a couple of pics I think will help. The first picture shows the
additional scoop that directs airflow directly onto the oil cooler. At least
that's the theory anyway. No provision was made to increase the size of the
exit, so I don't know how much air is getting into that scoop. But I could be
up in the night though... I'm pretty new to all this and haven't ever built
a plane before.
The second one clearly shows the routing of the oil lines. I don't believe they
are kinked (maybe slightly - right before the oil pump). The radiator was mounted
so that the in and out is on the bottom of the oil cooler. This allowed
for more room in the bend to the oil pump (I'm guessing).
I haven't checked the tubing for softness. I will when I get out to the hanger
next. I didn't think about that.
The temps I am seeing are all the way up to 260!(NOT sustained, it just headed
up that way and I started my descent and reduced the power setting to cool it
off). That's with an OAT of 20F!!! Strange though, I was able to fly last Saturday
with outside temps that were higher (probably around 35F) and the oil stayed
around 210. My oil pressure at startup is maxed at 99 psi. After warm-up
it goes down to 35 or so.
Thanks for your help so far.
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: 912S oil temp |
Good idea to provide a couple of pictures of the oil cooler install. I
would comment that the hose routing, into the bottom of the cooler, could
be the problem. Trapped air. Rotax install instructions advises against
this. I'd talk to Lockwood.
Vic Baker
S7 912S Warp 95%
Carson City, Nv
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From: "lazflyn" <markdj57@hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 2:15 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 912S oil temp
>
> Wow! Thanks for the quick response guys!
>
> First off, to Mr. "Lurker" (aka. Randy) - Are you trying to hijack my
> thread? Just kidding, but to answer your question: The 912S that I have
> does NOT include an oil thermostat. That is an upgrade you can purchase
> from Lockwood, I do believe.
>
> Guys, I do have a couple of pics I think will help. The first picture
> shows the additional scoop that directs airflow directly onto the oil
> cooler. At least that's the theory anyway. No provision was made to
> increase the size of the exit, so I don't know how much air is getting
> into that scoop. But I could be up in the night though... I'm pretty new
> to all this and haven't ever built a plane before.
>
> The second one clearly shows the routing of the oil lines. I don't
> believe they are kinked (maybe slightly - right before the oil pump). The
> radiator was mounted so that the in and out is on the bottom of the oil
> cooler. This allowed for more room in the bend to the oil pump (I'm
> guessing).
>
> I haven't checked the tubing for softness. I will when I get out to the
> hanger next. I didn't think about that.
>
> The temps I am seeing are all the way up to 260!(NOT sustained, it just
> headed up that way and I started my descent and reduced the power setting
> to cool it off). That's with an OAT of 20F!!! Strange though, I was
> able to fly last Saturday with outside temps that were higher (probably
> around 35F) and the oil stayed around 210. My oil pressure at startup
> is maxed at 99 psi. After warm-up it goes down to 35 or so.
>
> Thanks for your help so far.
>
> Mark
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=160914#160914
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010102_790.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010096_943.jpg
>
>
>
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582 bleeding coolant
I have searched archives and cannot find, someone told how to bleed all air out
of coolant system on 582 and it worked like a champ.(3 years ago).
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1. 04:41 AM - Re: Tru-Trak Autopilot in S5/Vixen (fox5flyer)
2. 07:10 AM - Console covering (fox5flyer)
3. 07:36 AM - carb/throttle connection (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
4. 07:55 AM - Re: Console covering (kcflys)
5. 08:24 AM - Re: Console covering (john oakley)
6. 09:22 AM - carb to throttle linkage (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
7. 10:27 AM - Info found on HVLP gun setup! (SUE MICHAELS)
8. 10:40 AM - Re: Console covering (paul wilson)
9. 10:50 AM - Re: carb/throttle connection (Lynn Matteson)
10. 12:29 PM - Re: Console covering (fox5flyer)
11. 12:31 PM - Re: Re: Console covering (fox5flyer)
12. 12:46 PM - Re: Console covering (Clint Bazzill)
13. 12:47 PM - Re: Info found on HVLP gun setup! (Vic Baker)
14. 01:42 PM - Luggage Pod ideas (LarryM)
15. 01:43 PM - Re: Info found on HVLP gun setup! (Ron Zeppin)
16. 02:07 PM - Re: Luggage Pod ideas (Michel Verheughe)
17. 04:07 PM - Re: Console covering (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
18. 04:18 PM - Re: Console covering (GONER752@aol.com)
19. 04:36 PM - Re: Console covering (Sbennett3@aol.com)
20. 04:44 PM - 912S oil temp (lazflyn)
21. 05:06 PM - Re: Luggage Pod ideas (fox5flyer)
22. 05:06 PM - Re: Console covering (fox5flyer)
23. 05:07 PM - Re: Console covering (fox5flyer)
24. 07:06 PM - Re: Console covering (Cudnohufsky's)
25. 08:03 PM - (RAY Gignac)
26. 08:11 PM - Re: 912S oil temp (jeff puls)
27. 08:38 PM - Re: Console covering (Guy Buchanan)
28. 08:38 PM - Re: Re: Luggage Pod ideas (Guy Buchanan)
29. 08:38 PM - Re: 912S oil temp (Guy Buchanan)
30. 08:38 PM - Re: Re: Console covering (Guy Buchanan)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 04:41:07 AM PST US
From: "fox5flyer"
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tru-Trak Autopilot in S5/Vixen
Thanks for the report, Travis. After you get a few hours on it, please give
us another update.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress."
- Joseph Joubert
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "FlyboyTR"
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 3:28 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tru-Trak Autopilot in S5/Vixen
>
> I have completed the install of the autopilot. No major headaches or
> fabrication needed. However....I so apologize!!!! When we finished
> everything it was a cold rainy day (our hanger is open on two sides).
> After we cleaned up all the tools, etc. Kathy pulled out the camera, and
> after that...dead battery warning! We did not take ANY pictures. Since I
> had the help, we put the plane back together and flew it the next day.
>
> We made a few control adjustments while in flight (changing the torque and
> movement speeds of the servos). This is done at the control head and is
> actually quite easy to do. We locked on altitude at 2,000' and it did not
> change by more than 10' up or down. It also held us on course and making
> directional changes are easy. We took it down to 800' because it was
> really turbulent at that altitude. Altitude +/- 20 and it held the course
> heading. We had to increase the lateral adjustment (how fast the servo
> responds and moves). After that it did a fantastic job of keeping the
> wings level even though it was a rough ride. At present...I have no
> complaints about the ADI Pilot II. I'm just glad it is installed...and
> I'm thrilled.
>
> The main servo is mounted on the left side of the fuselage behind the
> seat, attached with Adell clamps to the two V shaped tubes. The elevator
> servo is also behind the seat just above the push/pull tubs. It is also
> mounted to the structural tubes in that location. The pushrod is attached
> the elevator pushrod under the seat.
>
> When we pull the plane down for it's next 100 hour inspection I will take
> lots of pictures with printed detail and post them. I really feel bad
> that i was unable to take the pictures...but I had help and didn't want to
> delay the test flight.
>
> If you have any specific questions, please ask!
>
> Travis :D
>
> --------
> Travis Rayner
> Mobile, AL
> Skystar Vixen
> N-789DF
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=160586#160586
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>
>
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
Time: 07:10:21 AM PST US
From: "fox5flyer"
Subject: Kitfox-List: Console covering
When I built my S5 (1st flight May 2000) I chose to cover the console
top side with Cordura fabric to match the seats. My biggest reason for
using fabric was to cover up all of the rivets that would have been
visible had I painted it. I used spray on 3M adhesive and it held up
for about three years and since then it has gradually worked loose and
looked unsightly so I removed it. Now I need to recover with something.
What have some of you used to cover your console that has lasted? I'm
just looking for alternatives to what I've already tried and didn't work
very well. Vinyl contact paper was suggested, but I don't know where to
find something suitable and of course, color would be a limiting factor.
Any suggestions out there?
Thanks,
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but
progress."
- Joseph Joubert
________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
Time: 07:36:42 AM PST US
From: kerrjohna@comcast.net
Subject: Kitfox-List: carb/throttle connection
Dan Mc Intyre and others
Can you give me a source for more information on the Jelati throttle arm. the
posted pictures appear to offer a possible to a solution faced with a larger Bing
carb on a Rotek radial engine.
John Kerr
Classic IV
RV9
Hatz Classic
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Dan Mc Intyre and others
Can you give me a source for more information on the Jelati throttle
arm. the posted pictures appear to offer a possible to a solution
faced with a larger Bing carb on a Rotek radial engine.
John Kerr
Classic IV
RV9
Hatz Classic
________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
Time: 07:55:54 AM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Console covering
From: "kcflys"
Deke,
Have you considered screw down snaps like for boat covers, etc. A little more
weight but would probably need half doz. or less.
--------
Keith C.
kitfox wannabe
C-150
Rancho Cordova CA
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________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
Time: 08:24:23 AM PST US
From: "john oakley"
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Console covering
Deke,
I used nagahide on my fox panel top. I had a bead sown in along the front
edge of the top and glued in place. I still looks great after 10 year and
that includes 4 years in the summer sun at high altitude.
John Oakley
Speedster 4 912ul cap
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of fox5flyer
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 7:39 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Console covering
When I built my S5 (1st flight May 2000) I chose to cover the console top
side with Cordura fabric to match the seats. My biggest reason for using
fabric was to cover up all of the rivets that would have been visible had I
painted it. I used spray on 3M adhesive and it held up for about three
years and since then it has gradually worked loose and looked unsightly so I
removed it. Now I need to recover with something.
What have some of you used to cover your console that has lasted? I'm just
looking for alternatives to what I've already tried and didn't work very
well. Vinyl contact paper was suggested, but I don't know where to find
something suitable and of course, color would be a limiting factor.
Any suggestions out there?
Thanks,
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress."
- Joseph Joubert
________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
Time: 09:22:16 AM PST US
From: kerrjohna@comcast.net
Subject: Kitfox-List: carb to throttle linkage
Dan Mc Intyre and others
can you give me a source for more information on the Jelanti throttle arm? I have
a Rotek radial engine with a larger Bing throttle and the pictures of you installation
suggest a solution to a problem I am having.
John Kerr
Classic IV w 912ul
RV9 w 0320
Hatz Classic w 150hp Radial
border=0 UNSELECTABLE="on">
Dan Mc Intyre and others
can you give me a source for more information on the Jelanti
throttle arm? I have a Rotek radial engine with a larger Bing throttle and the
pictures of you installation suggest a solution to a problem I am having.
John Kerr
Classic IV w 912ul
RV9 w 0320
Hatz Classic w 150hp Radial
________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
Time: 10:27:13 AM PST US
From: SUE MICHAELS
Subject: Kitfox-List: Info found on HVLP gun setup!
Found an interesting web that describes how to set up the Harbor Freight's current
HVLP spray gun # 43430. Harbor Freight has them on sale for $40.00 in the
store price but go to their WEB site and buy it for $20.00. Even if you don't
like it, for 20 bucks you can always paint the patio furniture with it. No, I
have not tried it but I ordered one.
http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/techinfo/HVLPspraygun.html
George
________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________
Time: 10:40:51 AM PST US
From: paul wilson
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Console covering
Contact paper is in the housewares dept of WalMart, Target etc. Its
worth a try because the cost in minimal.
PW
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>
>----------
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of fox5flyer
>Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 7:39 AM
>To: Kitfox List
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Console covering
>
>When I built my S5 (1st flight May 2000) I chose to cover the
>console top side with Cordura fabric to match the seats. My biggest
>reason for using fabric was to cover up all of the rivets that would
>have been visible had I painted it. I used spray on 3M adhesive and
>it held up for about three years and since then it has gradually
>worked loose and looked unsightly so I removed it. Now I need to
>recover with something.
>What have some of you used to cover your console that has
>lasted? I'm just looking for alternatives to what I've already
>tried and didn't work very well. Vinyl contact paper was suggested,
>but I don't know where to find something suitable and of course,
>color would be a limiting factor.
>Any suggestions out there?
>Thanks,
>Deke Morisse
>Mikado Michigan
>S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT
>"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress."
>- Joseph Joubert
>
________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________
Time: 10:50:14 AM PST US
From: Lynn Matteson
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: carb/throttle connection
You might be referring to the arm that Dave Jalanti engineered for
his Jabiru installation in his Kitfox. If so, I got mine from Pete at
USJabiru ( www.usjabiru.com or email them at
info@usjabiru.com ) in Tennessee, a Jabiru dealer. This arm extends
the length of the VERY short Bing throttle arm, and thus allows for a
more precise control of the throttle.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/460+ hrs
On Jan 27, 2008, at 10:09 AM, kerrjohna@comcast.net wrote:
> Dan Mc Intyre and others
>
> Can you give me a source for more information on the Jelati
> throttle arm. the posted pictures appear to offer a possible to a
> solution faced with a larger Bing carb on a Rotek radial engine.
>
> John Kerr
> Classic IV
> RV9
> Hatz Classic
>
>
> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _-
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________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________
Time: 12:29:15 PM PST US
From: "fox5flyer"
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Console covering
John, thanks for the tip. Do you have a photo you could send? Unless
there is some List interest you can just send it to me direct.
Thanks,
Deke
do not archive
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Console covering
Deke,
I used nagahide on my fox panel top. I had a bead sown in along the
front edge of the top and glued in place. I still looks great after 10
year and that includes 4 years in the summer sun at high altitude.
John Oakley
Speedster 4 912ul cap
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of fox5flyer
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 7:39 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Console covering
When I built my S5 (1st flight May 2000) I chose to cover the console
top side with Cordura fabric to match the seats. My biggest reason for
using fabric was to cover up all of the rivets that would have been
visible had I painted it. I used spray on 3M adhesive and it held up
for about three years and since then it has gradually worked loose and
looked unsightly so I removed it. Now I need to recover with something.
What have some of you used to cover your console that has lasted? I'm
just looking for alternatives to what I've already tried and didn't work
very well. Vinyl contact paper was suggested, but I don't know where to
find something suitable and of course, color would be a limiting factor.
Any suggestions out there?
Thanks,
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but
progress."
- Joseph Joubert
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________
Time: 12:31:25 PM PST US
From: "fox5flyer"
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Console covering
No, I hadn't considered that, but I will. Thanks,
Deke
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "kcflys"
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 10:53 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Console covering
>
> Deke,
> Have you considered screw down snaps like for boat covers, etc. A little
> more weight but would probably need half doz. or less.
>
> --------
> Keith C.
> kitfox wannabe
> C-150
> Rancho Cordova CA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=160653#160653
>
>
>
________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________
Time: 12:46:47 PM PST US
From: Clint Bazzill
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Console covering
I used some black thin carpet that is used in RV's. It is great and have a
lot extra, contact me off line. Clint
ac@sisna.comSubject: RE: Kitfox-List: Console coveringContact paper is in t
he housewares dept of WalMart, Target etc. Its worth a try because the cost
in minimal.PW===========
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [ mailto:owner-kitfox-list-ser
ver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of fox5flyerSent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 7:3
9 AMTo: Kitfox ListSubject: Kitfox-List: Console covering When I built my S
5 (1st flight May 2000) I chose to cover the console top side with Cordura
fabric to match the seats. My biggest reason for using fabric was to cover
up all of the rivets that would have been visible had I painted it. I use
d spray on 3M adhesive and it held up for about three years and since then
it has gradually worked loose and looked unsightly so I removed it. Now I
need to recover with something. What have some of you used to cover your c
onsole that has lasted? I'm just looking for alternatives to what I've alr
eady tried and didn't work very well. Vinyl contact paper was suggested, b
ut I don't know where to find something suitable and of course, color would
be a limiting factor.Any suggestions out there?Thanks,Deke MorisseMikado M
ichiganS5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT"The aim of an argument or discussion should no
t be victory, but progress."- Joseph Joubert
________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________
Time: 12:47:04 PM PST US
From: "Vic Baker"
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Info found on HVLP gun setup!
Harbor Freight HVLP? I bought a Sharp HVLP, around $120 as I recall.
Marginal results, you must clean, lub and renew the internal filter
often. A friend finally tired of my complaints, loaned me his Binks
HVLP. Whole new world. I'm keeping the Sharp for the patio
furniture.
Vic Baker
S7 912S Warp 95%
Carson City, Nv
----- Original Message -----
From: SUE MICHAELS
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 9:15 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Info found on HVLP gun setup!
Found an interesting web that describes how to set up the Harbor
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| Subject: | Re: 912S oil temp |
the new oil cooler Kitfox uses looks much larger and is mounted against the front
of the water radiator.
David Kitfox III and 7
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| Subject: | Re: 912S oil temp |
At 04:40 PM 1/27/2008, you wrote:
>The oil cooler is mounted below the front of the engine, with a
>dedicated scoop for it. Is there not enough air exiting the rear of
>the cowl? Not enough flow through the radiator and side exits of
>the firewall? Air bubbles in my oil?
I finally looked at your pictures. (Dial-up connection, you
know.) First I agree that the first impression is that it will be
nearly impossible to bleed the oil cooler without some kind of air
bleed screw on top. (Otherwise you'll have to remove the cooler and
turn it over and bleed it manually. TOO MUCH WORK!
Second, it's entirely possible that NO air is going through
you oil cooler. You see, in order to get air to flow through it there
must be a change in pressure from front to back. (Or back to front,
if you want the air to go backwards! It works just the same.) Looking
at the coolant radiator you can see where that pressure differential
derives. The front face of the radiator is at static plus some
fraction of the dynamic pressure provided by the three forward facing
inlets. (Called the total pressure.) The back of the radiator is at
the pressure of the bottom scoop, which facing aft should be at
something near the static pressure alone and therefore a much lower
pressure than the front of the radiator. Therefore air flows through
the radiator, from high pressure to low. (This even works at rest
because of prop wash.)
Your oil radiator appears to have no air ducted to it, nor
away from it. Both faces, therefore, are at the same pressure and it
will only cool as a passive convection radiator, shedding heat to the
air around it. (Like a radiator in a house.) Unfortunately your lower
inlet may be doing next to nothing, because the interior of the cowl
is already at high pressure due to the inlets above. Even if you were
to duct the lower inlet to the oil cooler it might do nothing,
because the back side of the cooler, being in front of the radiator,
is at the cowl's high internal pressure. (It might cool a little bit,
if the total pressure of the air at the lower inlet is higher than
that at the inlets above, however it would be extremely inefficient,
meaning low flow.)
What to do? Probably nothing. Most 5's I've seen mount the
oil cooler to the front of the radiator. This combination of air and
oil cooling appears to be enough for the job. (I suggest it might
help to somehow "seal" the edge of the oil cooler to the front face
of the radiator, thus forcing the full pressure differential across
the oil cooler / radiator combo.) Otherwise, if you want flow through
your oil cooler you'll have to pass air through it. This is usually
done by ducting in and out, high pressure to low, like the radiator.
You might have success with just ducting in, (some put their oil
coolers right up front, blocking an inlet, and thereby forcing a
pressure differential,) but it will be strictly hit or miss. (The
Lancair guys have had some success using a spare ASI as a dynamic
pressure meter and a spare altimeter as a static pressure meter. They
then instrument their cooling system incrementally in an attempt to
optimize the pressure drop.)
That's the short answer. By the way, nice job on the cowling.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: 912S oil temp |
I have a new oil cooler that came with the purchase of the plane. The previous
owner/builder said that he was going to mount the new oil cooler in front of
the coolant radiator. He never said that he was having oil cooling problems (of
course), the little rat. He said that he was going to move the radiator because
the mounts crack when it is mounted up in front of the engine and that all
the new Kitfoxes (series 7) mount the oil cooler in front of the coolant radiator.
Has anyone mounted their oil cooler on top (in front) of their radiator? How have
the temps been of the oil and coolant before and after the move of the oil
cooler? Could they post pictures of their installation (mounting method)? I
think I would like to try that if it would be successful.
Thanks,
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: 582 bleeding coolant |
At 03:33 PM 1/28/2008, you wrote:
>582 bleeding coolant
>I have searched archives and cannot find, someone told how to bleed
>all air out of coolant system on 582 and it worked like a champ.(3
>years ago).
I changed the subject for you. It's a pain, but when you
reply to a digest message you have to first, be careful not to quote
the whole digest, and second, to change the subject.
When I re-fill my 582 all I do is leave the head vent open
while filling, then shake the beejeesus out of the engine in between
topping the filler to the very brim. I then tilt the plane forward,
(assuming you're a tail dragger,) until coolant flows out of the
disconnected head vent. I then fill the head vent tube by holding it
low, then capping it with my finger. One I know no air is at the head
vent or in the head vent tube I put the tube on as carefully as
possible to minimize the trapped air. Seems to work.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: 582 bleeding coolant |
I do the same but not shaking the beezeezus outta it.
With the taildragger the vent line is high and allows most air out .
Once you start it the bubbles will get pushed out .
Make sure you use the right antifreeze - Dexcool fits the bill
and make sure you use Distilled water.
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Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
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