Kitfox-List Digest Archive

Tue 01/29/08


Total Messages Posted: 13



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 02:59 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 30 Msgs - 01/27/08 (John Karp)
     2. 04:20 AM - Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 30 Msgs - 01/27/08 (dave)
     3. 06:55 PM - Turn Down Tips? (bigboyzt0yz)
     4. 07:01 PM - Cargo area? (bigboyzt0yz)
     5. 07:35 PM - Re: Cargo area? (Guy Buchanan)
     6. 08:42 PM - Re: Cargo area? (avidfox)
     7. 09:07 PM - Re: Cargo area? (Lynn Matteson)
     8. 09:26 PM - Re: Cargo area? (dave)
     9. 09:29 PM - Re: Turn Down Tips? (dave)
    10. 10:44 PM - Re: Re: Cargo area? (Guy Buchanan)
    11. 10:44 PM - Re: Re: Turn Down Tips? (Guy Buchanan)
    12. 10:44 PM - Re: Re: Cargo area? (Guy Buchanan)
    13. 10:50 PM - Re: Re: Cargo area? (Guy Buchanan)
 
 
 


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    Time: 02:59:41 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 30 Msgs - 01/27/08
    From: "John Karp" <JKarp@ccrgroup.com>
    Hi there, =46irst, thank you for hosting the list. I had no idea how active it was and have learned a lot reading this last week. Unfortunately this is my company email and its just too many messages, so would you mind taking me off the distribution please=3F I don't want to cancel my account, just cant receive so many emails here- and by the way, I forgot my password and I cant get anywhere trying that route to log off the emails- Best, John D.K. Karp, P.E. Director of Operations Cost Recovery Services, LLC 1400 Computer Drive Westborough, MA 01581 Maine Office: (207) 221-2952 Cell (774) 293-0555 -----Original Message----- =46rom: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of charles cook Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 6:33 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 30 Msgs - 01/27/08 582 bleeding coolant I have searched archives and cannot find, someone told how to bleed all air out of coolant system on 582 and it worked like a champ.(3 years ago). Charles 363KF Kitfox-List Digest Server <kitfox-list@matronics.com> wrote: * ======================== Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ======================== Today's complete Kitfox-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest =66ormatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. 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HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php=3FStyle=82701&View=html& Cha pter 08-01-27&Archive=Kitfox Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php=3FStyle=82701&View=txt&C hap ter 08-01-27&Archive=Kitfox ====================== EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive ====================== ---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 01/27/08: 30 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:41 AM - Re: Tru-Trak Autopilot in S5/Vixen (fox5flyer) 2. 07:10 AM - Console covering (fox5flyer) 3. 07:36 AM - carb/throttle connection (kerrjohna@comcast.net) 4. 07:55 AM - Re: Console covering (kcflys) 5. 08:24 AM - Re: Console covering (john oakley) 6. 09:22 AM - carb to throttle linkage (kerrjohna@comcast.net) 7. 10:27 AM - Info found on HVLP gun setup! (SUE MICHAELS) 8. 10:40 AM - Re: Console covering (paul wilson) 9. 10:50 AM - Re: carb/throttle connection (Lynn Matteson) 10. 12:29 PM - Re: Console covering (fox5flyer) 11. 12:31 PM - Re: Re: Console covering (fox5flyer) 12. 12:46 PM - Re: Console covering (Clint Bazzill) 13. 12:47 PM - Re: Info found on HVLP gun setup! (Vic Baker) 14. 01:42 PM - Luggage Pod ideas (LarryM) 15. 01:43 PM - Re: Info found on HVLP gun setup! (Ron Zeppin) 16. 02:07 PM - Re: Luggage Pod ideas (Michel Verheughe) 17. 04:07 PM - Re: Console covering (kerrjohna@comcast.net) 18. 04:18 PM - Re: Console covering (GONER752@aol.com) 19. 04:36 PM - Re: Console covering (Sbennett3@aol.com) 20. 04:44 PM - 912S oil temp (lazflyn) 21. 05:06 PM - Re: Luggage Pod ideas (fox5flyer) 22. 05:06 PM - Re: Console covering (fox5flyer) 23. 05:07 PM - Re: Console covering (fox5flyer) 24. 07:06 PM - Re: Console covering (Cudnohufsky's) 25. 08:03 PM - (RAY Gignac) 26. 08:11 PM - Re: 912S oil temp (jeff puls) 27. 08:38 PM - Re: Console covering (Guy Buchanan) 28. 08:38 PM - Re: Re: Luggage Pod ideas (Guy Buchanan) 29. 08:38 PM - Re: 912S oil temp (Guy Buchanan) 30. 08:38 PM - Re: Re: Console covering (Guy Buchanan) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:41:07 AM PST US From: "fox5flyer" Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tru-Trak Autopilot in S5/Vixen Thanks for the report, Travis. After you get a few hours on it, please give us another update. Deke Morisse Mikado Michigan S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress." - Joseph Joubert do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "FlyboyTR" Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 3:28 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tru-Trak Autopilot in S5/Vixen > > I have completed the install of the autopilot. No major headaches or > fabrication needed. However....I so apologize!!!! When we =66inished > everything it was a cold rainy day (our hanger is open on two sides). > After we cleaned up all the tools, etc. Kathy pulled out the camera, and > after that...dead battery warning! We did not take ANY pictures. Since I > had the help, we put the plane back together and flew it the next day. > > We made a few control adjustments while in flight (changing the torque and > movement speeds of the servos). This is done at the control head and is > actually quite easy to do. We locked on altitude at 2,000' and it did not > change by more than 10' up or down. It also held us on course and making > directional changes are easy. We took it down to 800' because it was > really turbulent at that altitude. Altitude +/- 20 and it held the course > heading. We had to increase the lateral adjustment (how fast the servo > responds and moves). After that it did a fantastic job of keeping the > wings level even though it was a rough ride. At present...I have no > complaints about the ADI Pilot II. I'm just glad it is installed...and > I'm thrilled. > > The main servo is mounted on the left side of the fuselage behind the > seat, attached with Adell clamps to the two V shaped tubes. The elevator > servo is also behind the seat just above the push/pull tubs. It is also > mounted to the structural tubes in that location. The pushrod is attached > the elevator pushrod under the seat. > > When we pull the plane down for it's next 100 hour inspection I will take > lots of pictures with printed detail and post them. I really =66eel bad > that i was unable to take the pictures...but I had help and didn't want to > delay the test flight. > > If you have any specific questions, please ask! > > Travis :D > > -------- > Travis Rayner > Mobile, AL > Skystar Vixen > N-789DF > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php=3Fp=160586#160586 > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:10:21 AM PST US From: "fox5flyer" Subject: Kitfox-List: Console covering When I built my S5 (1st flight May 2000) I chose to cover the console top side with Cordura fabric to match the seats. My biggest reason for using fabric was to cover up all of the rivets that would have been visible had I painted it. I used spray on 3M adhesive and it held up for about three years and since then it has gradually worked loose and looked unsightly so I removed it. Now I need to recover with something. What have some of you used to cover your console that has lasted=3F I'm just looking for alternatives to what I've already tried and didn't work very well. Vinyl contact paper was suggested, but I don't know where to find something suitable and of course, color would be a limiting =66actor. Any suggestions out there=3F Thanks, Deke Morisse Mikado Michigan S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress." - Joseph Joubert ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:36:42 AM PST US From: kerrjohna@comcast.net Subject: Kitfox-List: carb/throttle connection Dan Mc Intyre and others Can you give me a source for more information on the Jelati throttle arm. the posted pictures appear to offer a possible to a solution faced with a larger Bing carb on a Rotek radial engine. John Kerr Classic IV RV9 Hatz Classic border=0 UNSELECTABLE="on"> Dan Mc Intyre and others Can you give me a source for more information on the Jelati throttle arm. the posted pictures appear to offer a possible to a solution =66aced with a larger Bing carb on a Rotek radial engine. John Kerr Classic IV RV9 Hatz Classic ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:55:54 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Console covering From: "kcflys" Deke, Have you considered screw down snaps like for boat covers, etc. A little more weight but would probably need half doz. or less. -------- Keith C. kitfox wannabe C-150 Rancho Cordova CA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php=3Fp=160653#160653 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:24:23 AM PST US From: "john oakley" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Console covering Deke, I used nagahide on my fox panel top. I had a bead sown in along the front edge of the top and glued in place. I still looks great after 10 year and that includes 4 years in the summer sun at high altitude. John Oakley Speedster 4 912ul cap _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of =66ox5flyer Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 7:39 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Console covering When I built my S5 (1st flight May 2000) I chose to cover the console top side with Cordura fabric to match the seats. My biggest reason =66or using fabric was to cover up all of the rivets that would have been visible had I painted it. I used spray on 3M adhesive and it held up for about three years and since then it has gradually worked loose and looked unsightly so I removed it. Now I need to recover with something. What have some of you used to cover your console that has lasted=3F I'm just looking for alternatives to what I've already tried and didn't work very well. Vinyl contact paper was suggested, but I don't know where to find something suitable and of course, color would be a limiting =66actor. Any suggestions out there=3F Thanks, Deke Morisse Mikado Michigan S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress." - Joseph Joubert ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:22:16 AM PST US From: kerrjohna@comcast.net Subject: Kitfox-List: carb to throttle linkage Dan Mc Intyre and others can you give me a source for more information on the Jelanti throttle arm=3F I have a Rotek radial engine with a larger Bing throttle and the pictures of you installation suggest a solution to a problem I am having. John Kerr Classic IV w 912ul RV9 w 0320 Hatz Classic w 150hp Radial border=0 UNSELECTABLE="on"> Dan Mc Intyre and others can you give me a source for more information on the Jelanti throttle arm=3F I have a Rotek radial engine with a larger Bing throttle and the pictures of you installation suggest a solution to a problem I am having. John Kerr Classic IV w 912ul RV9 w 0320 Hatz Classic w 150hp Radial ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:27:13 AM PST US From: SUE MICHAELS Subject: Kitfox-List: Info found on HVLP gun setup! Found an interesting web that describes how to set up the Harbor =46reight's current HVLP spray gun # 43430. Harbor Freight has them on sale for $40.00 in the store price but go to their WEB site and buy it for $20.00. Even if you don't like it, for 20 bucks you can always paint the patio furniture with it. No, I have not tried it but I ordered one. http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/techinfo/HVLPspraygun.html George ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:40:51 AM PST US From: paul wilson Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Console covering Contact paper is in the housewares dept of WalMart, Target etc. Its worth a try because the cost in minimal. PW =========== > >---------- >From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of =66ox5flyer >Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 7:39 AM >To: Kitfox List >Subject: Kitfox-List: Console covering > >When I built my S5 (1st flight May 2000) I chose to cover the >console top side with Cordura fabric to match the seats. My biggest >reason for using fabric was to cover up all of the rivets that would >have been visible had I painted it. I used spray on 3M adhesive and >it held up for about three years and since then it has gradually >worked loose and looked unsightly so I removed it. Now I need to >recover with something. >What have some of you used to cover your console that has >lasted=3F I'm just looking for alternatives to what I've already >tried and didn't work very well. Vinyl contact paper was suggested, >but I don't know where to find something suitable and of course, >color would be a limiting factor. >Any suggestions out there=3F >Thanks, >Deke Morisse >Mikado Michigan >S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT >"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress." >- Joseph Joubert > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:50:14 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: carb/throttle connection You might be referring to the arm that Dave Jalanti engineered =66or his Jabiru installation in his Kitfox. If so, I got mine from Pete at USJabiru ( www.usjabiru.com or email them at info@usjabiru.com ) in Tennessee, a Jabiru dealer. This arm extends the length of the VERY short Bing throttle arm, and thus allows =66or a more precise control of the throttle. Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/460+ hrs On Jan 27, 2008, at 10:09 AM, kerrjohna@comcast.net wrote: > Dan Mc Intyre and others > > Can you give me a source for more information on the Jelati > throttle arm. the posted pictures appear to offer a possible to a > solution faced with a larger Bing carb on a Rotek radial engine. > > John Kerr > Classic IV > RV9 > Hatz Classic > > > ======== ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:29:15 PM PST US From: "fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Console covering John, thanks for the tip. Do you have a photo you could send=3F Unless there is some List interest you can just send it to me direct. Thanks, Deke do not archive Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Console covering Deke, I used nagahide on my fox panel top. I had a bead sown in along the front edge of the top and glued in place. I still looks great after 10 year and that includes 4 years in the summer sun at high altitude. John Oakley Speedster 4 912ul cap ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - ----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of =66ox5flyer Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 7:39 AM To: Kitfox List Subject: Kitfox-List: Console covering When I built my S5 (1st flight May 2000) I chose to cover the console top side with Cordura fabric to match the seats. My biggest reason for using fabric was to cover up all of the rivets that would have been visible had I painted it. I used spray on 3M adhesive and it held up for about three years and since then it has gradually worked loose and looked unsightly so I removed it. Now I need to recover with something. What have some of you used to cover your console that has lasted=3F I'm just looking for alternatives to what I've already tried and didn't work very well. Vinyl contact paper was suggested, but I don't know where to find something suitable and of course, color would be a limiting =66actor. Any suggestions out there=3F Thanks, Deke Morisse Mikado Michigan S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress." - Joseph Joubert http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:31:25 PM PST US From: "fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Console covering No, I hadn't considered that, but I will. Thanks, Deke do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "kcflys" Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 10:53 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Console covering > > Deke, > Have you considered screw down snaps like for boat covers, etc. A little > more weight but would probably need half doz. or less. > > -------- > Keith C. > kitfox wannabe > C-150 > Rancho Cordova CA > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php=3Fp=160653#160653 > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:46:47 PM PST US From: Clint Bazzill Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Console covering I used some black thin carpet that is used in RV's. It is great and have a lot extra, contact me off line. Clint ac@sisna.comSubject: RE: Kitfox-List: Console coveringContact paper is in t he housewares dept of WalMart, Target etc. Its worth a try because the cost in minimal.PW=========== From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [ mailto:owner-kitfox-list-ser ver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of fox5flyerSent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 7:3 9 AMTo: Kitfox ListSubject: Kitfox-List: Console covering When I built my S 5 (1st flight May 2000) I chose to cover the console top side with Cordura fabric to match the seats. My biggest reason for using fabric was to cover up all of the rivets that would have been visible had I painted it. I use d spray on 3M adhesive and it held up for about three years and since then it has gradually worked loose and looked unsightly so I removed it. Now I need to recover with something. What have some of you used to cover your c onsole that has lasted=3F I'm just looking for alternatives to what I've alr eady tried and didn't work very well. Vinyl contact paper was suggested, b ut I don't know where to find something suitable and of course, color would be a limiting factor.Any suggestions out there=3FThanks,Deke MorisseMikado M ichiganS5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT"The aim of an argument or discussion should no t be victory, but progress."- Joseph Joubert ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:47:04 PM PST US From: "Vic Baker" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Info found on HVLP gun setup! Harbor Freight HVLP=3F I bought a Sharp HVLP, around $120 as I recall. Marginal results, you must clean, lub and renew the internal =66ilter often. A friend finally tired of my complaints, loaned me his Binks HVLP. Whole new world. I'm keeping the Sharp for the patio furniture. Vic Baker S7 912S Warp 95% Carson City, Nv ----- Original Message ----- From: SUE MICHAELS To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 9:15 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Info found on HVLP gun setup! 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    Time: 04:20:03 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 30 Msgs - 01/27/08
    From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
    John, You can easily log onto the forum here http://forums.matronics.com/viewforum.php?f=8 This is 100 times better that using the antiquated email list and alot easier to post pics etc. If you are on the mail list you can change the settings to get no mail or just a daily digest. -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=161029#161029


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    Time: 06:55:51 PM PST US
    Subject: Turn Down Tips?
    From: "bigboyzt0yz" <bigboyzt0yz@yahoo.com>
    I have looked at several planes on line and they have turn down tips. I was wondering how well they work and do they cut down on your top end speed. Also do they cause any other problems on take off and landings. Lee -------- Have your feet on the Pedals and keep reaching for the sky. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=161249#161249


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    Time: 07:01:01 PM PST US
    Subject: Cargo area?
    From: "bigboyzt0yz" <bigboyzt0yz@yahoo.com>
    I have looked at a couple of other planes (highlander Video on You tube) and on just Planes link. It shows them putting a dog in the back and a then a little scooter(not at the same time). I was wondering has any one found a GOOD way to use the space and if so how do you gain access to the area with out hurting the plane. And then there is the issue of having weight behind the CG to deal with. -------- Have your feet on the Pedals and keep reaching for the sky. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=161253#161253


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    Time: 07:35:08 PM PST US
    From: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
    Subject: Re: Cargo area?
    At 06:58 PM 1/29/2008, you wrote: >I was wondering has any one found a GOOD way to use the space and if >so how do you gain access to the area with out hurting the plane. >And then there is the issue of having weight behind the CG to deal with. I think it depends on the plane. My IV has a nice cubical baggage compartment behind the seats good for 40 pounds of stuff. It's probably 24"W x 24"L x 24"H, maybe a little wider. I think the later models have even larger capacity, whereas the 1-3 models had very little room due to the flaperon mechanism. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.


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    Time: 08:42:38 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Cargo area?
    From: "avidfox" <avidfox@gmail.com>
    Attached are some pictures of access to the baggagecargo compartment on a stock Series 5. Max weight is 150 lbs. Steve "5" 912UL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=161277#161277 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscf0911_174.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscf0909_433.jpg


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    Time: 09:07:08 PM PST US
    From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
    Subject: Re: Cargo area?
    I've got the baggage sack, which holds 40 lbs. I don't know whether this is due to the velcro straps that hold the sack in place, or whether it is a weight and balance thing. I've calc'd the weight for my plane and I *could* add more than that, but I'd be afraid to, because of the velcro. Mine is covered by a...again...velcro'd panel of the same fabric as that used on the seats. I've loaded 39 lbs 10 oz's into this sack with no problems. Others have fabricated a metal container back there. As far as a "GOOD" way to use the space, I carry a tent, sleeping bag, folding chair, air mattress, air pump, pillow, collapsible cooler, tools...you get the idea. Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/460+ hrs On Jan 29, 2008, at 9:58 PM, bigboyzt0yz wrote: > <bigboyzt0yz@yahoo.com> > > I have looked at a couple of other planes (highlander Video on You > tube) and on just Planes link. It shows them putting a dog in the > back and a then a little scooter(not at the same time). I was > wondering has any one found a GOOD way to use the space and if so > how do you gain access to the area with out hurting the plane. And > then there is the issue of having weight behind the CG to deal with. > > -------- > Have your feet on the Pedals and keep reaching for the sky. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=161253#161253 > >


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    Time: 09:26:14 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Cargo area?
    From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
    > I've got the baggage sack, which holds 40 lbs. I don't know whether > this is due to the velcro straps that hold the sack in place, or > whether it is a weight and balance thing Lynn, I have eyelets on my baggage sack and I use tie wraps to hold it in place. This I feel is more secure than Velcro. I have pondered making a alum bin behind seat, but not got to it yet. -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=161289#161289


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    Time: 09:29:33 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Turn Down Tips?
    From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
    Droop tips I don;t think cause and extra drag than the Hoerner tip. I have never seen any concrete data that shows there is any gain with either tip. Some do not like the droop tip as it apparently obscures their vision off the wing tip. I had read other like them in case of dragging a tip on the runway it will save their wing from damage. I do assume you are referring to droop tips ? -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=161290#161290


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    Time: 10:44:15 PM PST US
    From: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
    Subject: Re: Cargo area?
    At 09:04 PM 1/29/2008, you wrote: >I've got the baggage sack, which holds 40 lbs. I don't know whether >this is due to the velcro straps that hold the sack in place, or >whether it is a weight and balance thing. The question is, would your sack handle 3.8g's x 40 pounds or 152 pounds? If not, you should seriously consider reinforcing it, because your elevator pushrod is right below it, and a bent pushrod might ruin your day. (Not to mention running afoul of the flaperon system.) I suspect you could see well over 3.8g's in the baggage compartment if you hit just the right kind of bump, I designed mine for 6g's / 240 pounds. I tested it by jumping up and down on it with my 195 pounds. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.


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    Time: 10:44:15 PM PST US
    From: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
    Subject: Re: Turn Down Tips?
    At 09:26 PM 1/29/2008, you wrote: >Some do not like the droop tip as it apparently obscures their >vision off the wing tip. I had read other like them in case of >dragging a tip on the runway it will save their wing from damage. It's a great place to install roller-blade wheels for those extreme cross-wind landings, and for when you just can't seem to keep it straight. ;-) Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. Do not archive


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    Time: 10:44:34 PM PST US
    From: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
    Subject: Re: Cargo area?
    >I was wondering as well how you gain acess to that area do I need ot >make a trap door in the side. Mine is accessed from the slope behind and above the seats. The opening is small, probably 18 x 18, which limits what you can put in. You certainly won't be putting in any folding bicycles! You can, however, get camping gear in, as long as it's separated. (You can't get a full size backpack in.) I've attached three pictures. One shows the baggage opening behind the seat. One shows half the baggage opening with the baggage structure, but no side panels, and one good shot of the baggage structure without the panels. Unfortunately I don't presently have any shots with panels, but the panels are honeycomb glass on the bottom and corrugated plastic on the sides. The baggage structure is the silver aluminum angles. The white tubes are fuselage structure and the silver tubes are fuel lines. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.


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    Time: 10:50:06 PM PST US
    From: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
    Subject: Re: Cargo area?
    At 08:39 PM 1/29/2008, you wrote: >Attached are some pictures of access to the baggagecargo compartment >on a stock Series 5. Max weight is 150 lbs. > >Steve >"5" 912UL What an ingenious idea, splitting the turtledeck so you have hatch access as well as internal access! I wish I'd thought of it, although I guess it isn't too late to make a new turtledeck. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.




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