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1. 01:31 AM - skywriting smoke (robfras)
2. 02:34 AM - Re: skywriting smoke (Michel Verheughe)
3. 02:51 AM - Re: skywriting smoke (dave)
4. 04:15 AM - Re: Cargo area? (Lynn Matteson)
5. 04:25 AM - Re: Cargo area? (dave)
6. 06:56 AM - Re: Re: Cargo area? (Lynn Matteson)
7. 09:25 AM - 912 (Chenoweth)
8. 09:46 AM - Re: skywriting smoke (avidfox)
9. 12:41 PM - Re: Re: skywriting smoke (Michel Verheughe)
10. 01:48 PM - Re: Re: skywriting smoke (Kevin Ridsdale)
11. 01:50 PM - Time for another East Coast Kitfox gathering? (wingnut)
12. 02:57 PM - Re: 912 (Rexster)
13. 03:57 PM - Re: 912 (patrick reilly)
14. 04:06 PM - Re: skywriting smoke (avidfox)
15. 04:38 PM - Re: Re: skywriting smoke (84KF)
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| Subject: | skywriting smoke |
Has anyone had any experience making smoke [for skywriting] with a 582 rotax.
After seeing it done with a 912 [oil straight into the exhaust after the muffler].
I tried this and no success with the 582 . Also injected oil into the exhaust
system immediately after the manifold . I have been told a 2 stroke does
not get hot enough but I cannot accept this and think I need to preheat the oil
[a mix of parrafin and diesel]
Cheers to all,
Robert Fraser
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| Subject: | skywriting smoke |
> From: robfras [rob.fras@bigpond.com]
> Has anyone had any experience making smoke [for skywriting] with a 582 rotax.
Robert, I have a friend who does it often with his Rans and 582. Look here:
http://www.jfs.no/album23eng.html
http://www.jfs.no/album78.html
If you want and send me a private email, I can give you his and he can give you
all the details. Let me know.
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Re: skywriting smoke |
> I have been told a 2 stroke does not get hot enough but I cannot accept this
and think I need to preheat the oil [a mix of parrafin and diesel]
> Cheers to all,
> Robert Fraser
>
Michel is right, most of the RANS s9 and s 10s use 2 strokes 503,582 and 670 and
all use smoke.
I have made smoke systems before and I actually got a new kit from Kevin Ridsdale
at Mippi , You can contact him here
Email :
ksridsdale@mipowerparachute.com
Kevin did have smoke oil in stock but you can always make your own recipe of ATF
and diesel and whatever you get. The smoke oil is parafan based and works
better. One common oil is form release oil used in the concrete business.
Now I am not sure of Kevin's business right now , I did buy up alot of his inventory
of King fox tires. Contact Kevin and once I try this one out I can give
a fair assessment of it . But having done them before I think this one will
work OK.
Kevin recommended the Oil to be injected in the Elbow whereas I have done further
down the pipe. If you get too close to the exhaust ports then you could encounter
the oil sprayed being pushed back into the exhaust port and potentially
into the combustion chamber.
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Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
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I forgot all about the 3.8g thing. I did make a stiff bottom for it,
and have from time to time thought about a more rigid "sack", but no
plan in mind yet. Guess I'd better get to thinkin'.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/460+ hrs
On Jan 30, 2008, at 1:35 AM, Guy Buchanan wrote:
>
> At 09:04 PM 1/29/2008, you wrote:
>> I've got the baggage sack, which holds 40 lbs. I don't know whether
>> this is due to the velcro straps that hold the sack in place, or
>> whether it is a weight and balance thing.
>
> The question is, would your sack handle 3.8g's x 40 pounds
> or 152 pounds? If not, you should seriously consider reinforcing
> it, because your elevator pushrod is right below it, and a bent
> pushrod might ruin your day. (Not to mention running afoul of the
> flaperon system.) I suspect you could see well over 3.8g's in the
> baggage compartment if you hit just the right kind of bump, I
> designed mine for 6g's / 240 pounds. I tested it by jumping up and
> down on it with my 195 pounds.
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> San Diego, CA
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
>
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I would like to make mine more like Guy's but with both inside and out side access.
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Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
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Same here Dave...making an aluminum box, that is.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/460+ hrs
do not archive
On Jan 30, 2008, at 12:23 AM, dave wrote:
>
>
>> I've got the baggage sack, which holds 40 lbs. I don't know whether
>> this is due to the velcro straps that hold the sack in place, or
>> whether it is a weight and balance thing
>
>
> Lynn, I have eyelets on my baggage sack and I use tie wraps to hold
> it in place. This I feel is more secure than Velcro. I have
> pondered making a alum bin behind seat, but not got to it yet.
>
> --------
> Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
> Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
> http://www.cfisher.com/
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=161289#161289
>
>
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In early summer when my blue-head 582 reaches 300 hours I'm planning to
replace it with a 912S (the 582, gear box, prop, motor mount, etc will
all be for sale at a very reasonable price then). I'm planning to
replace the firewall at the same time. I don't want to replace the cowl
unless I have to. I'm hoping that some of you have made the same engine
change and can give me some pointers on things to do/not do and general
information on the best way to proceed.
Bill Chenoweth
IV-1200
Albion, Maine
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| Subject: | Re: skywriting smoke |
Michel,
To paraphrase Crocodile Dundee,
"That's not smoke..., This is some smoke!" :-)
http://avidfoxflyers.com/index.php?topic=134.0
(May no be sutible for dial-up)
Steve
5 912UL
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| Subject: | Re: skywriting smoke |
> From: avidfox [avidfox@gmail.com]
> http://avidfoxflyers.com/index.php?topic=134.0
Nice, Steve. Do you know why one of the planes has its gear down?
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: skywriting smoke |
Dave,
Yes I am still monitoring, however I do not havve accesss to the site that you
are sking about. I can tell you smoke systems and tires are what MiPPi Ultralights
have hundreds of hours invested in.
Smoke,
Yes, if you want you could go to your kitchen cupboard and used anything if you
want to make smoke, but beware!!! smoke will cause the skin on your fox to
turn black and stain your plane. we do not want that to happen. To create the
greatest amount of smoke you need a high concentration parafin based oil, as the
parifin burns it will create somke and not strain. The problem with a parafin
based oil system is that it is not cheap ( a very good manufacturer is MDW
smoke oil by the name of "Super Dri" it can be purchased in many different sizes).
The system created by MiPPi Ultralights do not require any preheater at
all and the best way is to inject it directly into the exhaust the best location
is the 90 degree elbow or just after befor the muffler using an injection
tube to dispurst the oil in all directions.
dave <dave@cfisher.com> wrote:
> I have been told a 2 stroke does not get hot enough but I cannot accept this
and think I need to preheat the oil [a mix of parrafin and diesel]
> Cheers to all,
> Robert Fraser
>
Michel is right, most of the RANS s9 and s 10s use 2 strokes 503,582 and 670 and
all use smoke.
I have made smoke systems before and I actually got a new kit from Kevin Ridsdale
at Mippi , You can contact him here
Email :
ksridsdale@mipowerparachute.com
Kevin did have smoke oil in stock but you can always make your own recipe of ATF
and diesel and whatever you get. The smoke oil is parafan based and works better.
One common oil is form release oil used in the concrete business.
Now I am not sure of Kevin's business right now , I did buy up alot of his inventory
of King fox tires. Contact Kevin and once I try this one out I can give
a fair assessment of it . But having done them before I think this one will work
OK.
Kevin recommended the Oil to be injected in the Elbow whereas I have done further
down the pipe. If you get too close to the exhaust ports then you could encounter
the oil sprayed being pushed back into the exhaust port and potentially
into the combustion chamber.
--------
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=161311#161311
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| Subject: | Time for another East Coast Kitfox gathering? |
Anyone interested in another East coast Kitfox gathering? The last gathering at
Kitty Hawk was a great experience and Im itching to do it again. I have two places
in mind as candidate destinations but Im sure that there will be more.
1) Campbell Field (9VG). This was on the short list of destinations last time and some of us had planned on visiting after gathering at Kitty Hawk but it didnt work out in the end. You can check them out here: http://www.campbellfieldairport.com/
2) High Valley Resort. http://www.campbellfieldairport.com/
Both destinations have their own advantages. Campbell field looks like the more
aviation oriented of the two but High Valley has better accommodations (log cabins,
bungalows, club house, etc).
Im thinking that we should aim for some time March before it gets too hot and hazy.
--------
Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
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Bill and listers,
I made the change. The cowl had to go unfortunately.
So did my windshield and pretty much everything firwall forward. It was
well worth it all though.
Rex in Michigan / Model 3 / Warp / 912UL / 660 hours or so
-- "Chenoweth" <chenoweth@gwi.net> wrote:
In early summer when my blue-head 582 reaches 300 hours I'm planning to
replace it with a 912S (the 582, gear box, prop, motor mount, etc will a
ll be for sale at a very reasonable price then). I'm planning to replac
e the firewall at the same time. I don't want to replace the cowl unles
s I have to. I'm hoping that some of you have made the same engine chan
ge and can give me some pointers on things to do/not do and general info
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Bill, I have a Mod 3 912 motor mount and the firewall grommet door, if you
are interested. I don't know if the mod 3 motor mount fits the mod 4 or whe
ther the 912 & 912s motor mounts are the same.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 Rebuild
Rockford,IL
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Bill and listers,
I made the change. The cowl had to go unfortunately.
So did my windshield and pretty much everything firwall forward. It was wel
l worth it all though.
Rex in Michigan / Model 3 / Warp / 912UL / 660 hours or so
-- "Chenoweth" <chenoweth@gwi.net> wrote:
In early summer when my blue-head 582 reaches 300 hours I'm planning to rep
lace it with a 912S (the 582, gear box, prop, motor mount, etc will all be
for sale at a very reasonable price then). I'm planning to replace the fir
ewall at the same time. I don't want to replace the cowl unless I have to.
I'm hoping that some of you have made the same engine change and can give
me some pointers on things to do/not do and general information on the bes
t way to proceed.
Bill Chenoweth
IV-1200
Albion, Maine
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| Subject: | Re: skywriting smoke |
Michel, and all interested....
The one with the gear down is a fixed gear BT-13 Vultee "Vibrator", so nicknamed
because of the harmonics the prop generates at takeoff power. (P&W 985, 400
hp) It will shake windows a long ways away.
The rest are North American T-6's SNJ's (P&W 1340, 650 hp)
>From a distance, they, "13's" and "6"s" appear similar, but are actually from
different mfgs.
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: skywriting smoke |
The one with the gear down is a fixed gear BT-13 Vultee "Vibrator", so
called because of the harmonics the prop generates at takeoff power. (P&W
985) You will shake windows a long ways away.
The rest are North American T-6's \ SNJ's (P&W 1340)
On Jan 30, 2008 2:33 PM, Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
> > From: avidfox [avidfox@gmail.com]
> > http://avidfoxflyers.com/index.php?topic=134.0
>
> Nice, Steve. Do you know why one of the planes has its gear down?
>
> Cheers,
> Michel Verheughe
> Norway
> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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