---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 01/30/08: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:31 AM - skywriting smoke (robfras) 2. 02:34 AM - Re: skywriting smoke (Michel Verheughe) 3. 02:51 AM - Re: skywriting smoke (dave) 4. 04:15 AM - Re: Cargo area? (Lynn Matteson) 5. 04:25 AM - Re: Cargo area? (dave) 6. 06:56 AM - Re: Re: Cargo area? (Lynn Matteson) 7. 09:25 AM - 912 (Chenoweth) 8. 09:46 AM - Re: skywriting smoke (avidfox) 9. 12:41 PM - Re: Re: skywriting smoke (Michel Verheughe) 10. 01:48 PM - Re: Re: skywriting smoke (Kevin Ridsdale) 11. 01:50 PM - Time for another East Coast Kitfox gathering? (wingnut) 12. 02:57 PM - Re: 912 (Rexster) 13. 03:57 PM - Re: 912 (patrick reilly) 14. 04:06 PM - Re: skywriting smoke (avidfox) 15. 04:38 PM - Re: Re: skywriting smoke (84KF) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:31:46 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: skywriting smoke From: "robfras" Has anyone had any experience making smoke [for skywriting] with a 582 rotax. After seeing it done with a 912 [oil straight into the exhaust after the muffler]. I tried this and no success with the 582 . Also injected oil into the exhaust system immediately after the manifold . I have been told a 2 stroke does not get hot enough but I cannot accept this and think I need to preheat the oil [a mix of parrafin and diesel] Cheers to all, Robert Fraser Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=161305#161305 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:34:14 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: skywriting smoke > From: robfras [rob.fras@bigpond.com] > Has anyone had any experience making smoke [for skywriting] with a 582 rotax. Robert, I have a friend who does it often with his Rans and 582. Look here: http://www.jfs.no/album23eng.html http://www.jfs.no/album78.html If you want and send me a private email, I can give you his and he can give you all the details. Let me know. Cheers, Michel Verheughe Norway Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:51:07 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: skywriting smoke From: "dave" > I have been told a 2 stroke does not get hot enough but I cannot accept this and think I need to preheat the oil [a mix of parrafin and diesel] > Cheers to all, > Robert Fraser > Michel is right, most of the RANS s9 and s 10s use 2 strokes 503,582 and 670 and all use smoke. I have made smoke systems before and I actually got a new kit from Kevin Ridsdale at Mippi , You can contact him here Email : ksridsdale@mipowerparachute.com Kevin did have smoke oil in stock but you can always make your own recipe of ATF and diesel and whatever you get. The smoke oil is parafan based and works better. One common oil is form release oil used in the concrete business. Now I am not sure of Kevin's business right now , I did buy up alot of his inventory of King fox tires. Contact Kevin and once I try this one out I can give a fair assessment of it . But having done them before I think this one will work OK. Kevin recommended the Oil to be injected in the Elbow whereas I have done further down the pipe. If you get too close to the exhaust ports then you could encounter the oil sprayed being pushed back into the exhaust port and potentially into the combustion chamber. -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=161311#161311 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:15:42 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cargo area? I forgot all about the 3.8g thing. I did make a stiff bottom for it, and have from time to time thought about a more rigid "sack", but no plan in mind yet. Guess I'd better get to thinkin'. Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/460+ hrs On Jan 30, 2008, at 1:35 AM, Guy Buchanan wrote: > > At 09:04 PM 1/29/2008, you wrote: >> I've got the baggage sack, which holds 40 lbs. I don't know whether >> this is due to the velcro straps that hold the sack in place, or >> whether it is a weight and balance thing. > > The question is, would your sack handle 3.8g's x 40 pounds > or 152 pounds? If not, you should seriously consider reinforcing > it, because your elevator pushrod is right below it, and a bent > pushrod might ruin your day. (Not to mention running afoul of the > flaperon system.) I suspect you could see well over 3.8g's in the > baggage compartment if you hit just the right kind of bump, I > designed mine for 6g's / 240 pounds. I tested it by jumping up and > down on it with my 195 pounds. > > > Guy Buchanan > San Diego, CA > K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:25:53 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Cargo area? From: "dave" I would like to make mine more like Guy's but with both inside and out side access. -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=161322#161322 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:56:11 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Cargo area? Same here Dave...making an aluminum box, that is. Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/460+ hrs do not archive On Jan 30, 2008, at 12:23 AM, dave wrote: > > >> I've got the baggage sack, which holds 40 lbs. I don't know whether >> this is due to the velcro straps that hold the sack in place, or >> whether it is a weight and balance thing > > > Lynn, I have eyelets on my baggage sack and I use tie wraps to hold > it in place. This I feel is more secure than Velcro. I have > pondered making a alum bin behind seat, but not got to it yet. > > -------- > Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada > Flying Videos and Kitfox Info > http://www.cfisher.com/ > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=161289#161289 > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:25:11 AM PST US From: "Chenoweth" Subject: Kitfox-List: 912 In early summer when my blue-head 582 reaches 300 hours I'm planning to replace it with a 912S (the 582, gear box, prop, motor mount, etc will all be for sale at a very reasonable price then). I'm planning to replace the firewall at the same time. I don't want to replace the cowl unless I have to. I'm hoping that some of you have made the same engine change and can give me some pointers on things to do/not do and general information on the best way to proceed. Bill Chenoweth IV-1200 Albion, Maine ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:46:27 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: skywriting smoke From: "avidfox" Michel, To paraphrase Crocodile Dundee, "That's not smoke..., This is some smoke!" :-) http://avidfoxflyers.com/index.php?topic=134.0 (May no be sutible for dial-up) Steve 5 912UL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=161383#161383 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:41:35 PM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: skywriting smoke > From: avidfox [avidfox@gmail.com] > http://avidfoxflyers.com/index.php?topic=134.0 Nice, Steve. Do you know why one of the planes has its gear down? Cheers, Michel Verheughe Norway Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 do not archive
________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:48:49 PM PST US From: Kevin Ridsdale Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: skywriting smoke Dave, Yes I am still monitoring, however I do not havve accesss to the site that you are sking about. I can tell you smoke systems and tires are what MiPPi Ultralights have hundreds of hours invested in. Smoke, Yes, if you want you could go to your kitchen cupboard and used anything if you want to make smoke, but beware!!! smoke will cause the skin on your fox to turn black and stain your plane. we do not want that to happen. To create the greatest amount of smoke you need a high concentration parafin based oil, as the parifin burns it will create somke and not strain. The problem with a parafin based oil system is that it is not cheap ( a very good manufacturer is MDW smoke oil by the name of "Super Dri" it can be purchased in many different sizes). The system created by MiPPi Ultralights do not require any preheater at all and the best way is to inject it directly into the exhaust the best location is the 90 degree elbow or just after befor the muffler using an injection tube to dispurst the oil in all directions. dave wrote: > I have been told a 2 stroke does not get hot enough but I cannot accept this and think I need to preheat the oil [a mix of parrafin and diesel] > Cheers to all, > Robert Fraser > Michel is right, most of the RANS s9 and s 10s use 2 strokes 503,582 and 670 and all use smoke. I have made smoke systems before and I actually got a new kit from Kevin Ridsdale at Mippi , You can contact him here Email : ksridsdale@mipowerparachute.com Kevin did have smoke oil in stock but you can always make your own recipe of ATF and diesel and whatever you get. The smoke oil is parafan based and works better. One common oil is form release oil used in the concrete business. Now I am not sure of Kevin's business right now , I did buy up alot of his inventory of King fox tires. Contact Kevin and once I try this one out I can give a fair assessment of it . But having done them before I think this one will work OK. Kevin recommended the Oil to be injected in the Elbow whereas I have done further down the pipe. If you get too close to the exhaust ports then you could encounter the oil sprayed being pushed back into the exhaust port and potentially into the combustion chamber. -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=161311#161311 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:50:38 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Time for another East Coast Kitfox gathering? From: "wingnut" Anyone interested in another East coast Kitfox gathering? The last gathering at Kitty Hawk was a great experience and Im itching to do it again. I have two places in mind as candidate destinations but Im sure that there will be more. 1) Campbell Field (9VG). This was on the short list of destinations last time and some of us had planned on visiting after gathering at Kitty Hawk but it didnt work out in the end. You can check them out here: http://www.campbellfieldairport.com/ 2) High Valley Resort. http://www.campbellfieldairport.com/ Both destinations have their own advantages. Campbell field looks like the more aviation oriented of the two but High Valley has better accommodations (log cabins, bungalows, club house, etc). Im thinking that we should aim for some time March before it gets too hot and hazy. -------- Luis Rodriguez Model IV 1200 Rotax 912UL Flying Weekly Laurens, SC (34A) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=161423#161423 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:57:06 PM PST US From: "Rexster" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912 Bill and listers, I made the change. The cowl had to go unfortunately. So did my windshield and pretty much everything firwall forward. It was well worth it all though. Rex in Michigan / Model 3 / Warp / 912UL / 660 hours or so -- "Chenoweth" wrote: In early summer when my blue-head 582 reaches 300 hours I'm planning to replace it with a 912S (the 582, gear box, prop, motor mount, etc will a ll be for sale at a very reasonable price then). I'm planning to replac e the firewall at the same time. I don't want to replace the cowl unles s I have to. I'm hoping that some of you have made the same engine chan ge and can give me some pointers on things to do/not do and general info ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== = _____________________________________________________________ Keep it clean with a sanitary new litter box. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3nah5taOoGYkXlt8a3KVXy P9tiiG84tL9GUZ6nNux9fKNhLt/ ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:57:24 PM PST US From: patrick reilly Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 912 Bill, I have a Mod 3 912 motor mount and the firewall grommet door, if you are interested. I don't know if the mod 3 motor mount fits the mod 4 or whe ther the 912 & 912s motor mounts are the same. Pat Reilly Mod 3 Rebuild Rockford,IL From: runwayrex@juno.comDate: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 21:38:33 +0000To: kitfox-lis t@matronics.comSubject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912 Bill and listers, I made the change. The cowl had to go unfortunately. So did my windshield and pretty much everything firwall forward. It was wel l worth it all though. Rex in Michigan / Model 3 / Warp / 912UL / 660 hours or so -- "Chenoweth" wrote: In early summer when my blue-head 582 reaches 300 hours I'm planning to rep lace it with a 912S (the 582, gear box, prop, motor mount, etc will all be for sale at a very reasonable price then). I'm planning to replace the fir ewall at the same time. I don't want to replace the cowl unless I have to. I'm hoping that some of you have made the same engine change and can give me some pointers on things to do/not do and general information on the bes t way to proceed. Bill Chenoweth IV-1200 Albion, Maine ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List tronics.com www.matronics.com/contribution _____________________________________________________________Keep it clean with a sanitary new litter box. Click now! ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:06:05 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: skywriting smoke From: "avidfox" Michel, and all interested.... The one with the gear down is a fixed gear BT-13 Vultee "Vibrator", so nicknamed because of the harmonics the prop generates at takeoff power. (P&W 985, 400 hp) It will shake windows a long ways away. The rest are North American T-6's SNJ's (P&W 1340, 650 hp) >From a distance, they, "13's" and "6"s" appear similar, but are actually from different mfgs. Steve Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=161439#161439 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:38:10 PM PST US From: 84KF Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: skywriting smoke The one with the gear down is a fixed gear BT-13 Vultee "Vibrator", so called because of the harmonics the prop generates at takeoff power. (P&W 985) You will shake windows a long ways away. The rest are North American T-6's \ SNJ's (P&W 1340) On Jan 30, 2008 2:33 PM, Michel Verheughe wrote: > > From: avidfox [avidfox@gmail.com] > > http://avidfoxflyers.com/index.php?topic=134.0 > > Nice, Steve. Do you know why one of the planes has its gear down? > > Cheers, > Michel Verheughe > Norway > Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 > do not archive > > > 

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