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1. 03:24 AM - Re: capacitance fuel probes (Dave G.)
2. 03:33 AM - Re: Re: RK400 clutch 582 application (Dave G.)
3. 05:35 AM - Re: Completed Kitfoxes (Dan Billingsley)
4. 06:46 AM - Fuel Tank Sealing? (Larry Martin)
5. 07:32 AM - Re: capacitance fuel probes (Mike Crutchlow)
6. 07:49 AM - Re: capacitance fuel probes (n85ae)
7. 08:12 AM - Re: Re: Re: RK400 clutch 582 application (Guy Buchanan)
8. 08:15 AM - Re: capacitance fuel probes (John Alexander)
9. 08:55 AM - E-bay Mod 3 or 4 (Marco Menezes)
10. 08:55 AM - E-bay Mod 3 or 4 (Marco Menezes)
11. 09:26 AM - Re: RK400 clutch 582 application (Tom Jones)
12. 09:52 AM - 912 clutch (kaufjm@aol.com)
13. 10:05 AM - Re: Re: RK400 clutch 582 application (Marco Menezes)
14. 10:08 AM - Speedster vs original 4-1200 on floats (Jacques Voynaud)
15. 10:25 AM - Re: Re: RK400 clutch 582 application (84KF)
16. 11:06 AM - Re: E-bay Mod 3 or 4 (fox5flyer)
17. 11:54 AM - Re: E-bay Mod 3 or 4 (Marco Menezes)
18. 12:41 PM - Re: E-bay Mod 3 or 4 (fox5flyer)
19. 09:51 PM - Re: capacitance fuel probes (flybymike)
20. 09:51 PM - Re: Info found on HVLP gun setup! (flybymike)
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| Subject: | Re: capacitance fuel probes |
I didn't install mine so I'm not sure how hard it is. But mine were
installed through the side of the tank at the root end. They bend upward in
about a 1" radius for 45 deg and then a 90 deg turn down do the the probe
travels to the bottom of the tank at a 45 deg slant. They are sealed with
Hylomar and don't leak.
Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/582
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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Alexander" <alexandj@preachain.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 10:41 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: capacitance fuel probes
> <alexandj@preachain.org>
>
> Has anyone installed capacitance fuel probes in Kitfox tanks? If so, how
> was
> this executed? Looks a tad challenging since the top of the tank makes up
> the
> top of the wing.
>
> John Alexander
> Woodland, CA
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RK400 clutch 582 application |
I wonder how many RPM the prop willl take before being damaged.
Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/582
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. I can then accelerate to any speed
>> and the engine will remain at 1500, while the prop appears to spin
>> like crazy.
>>
>> Guy Buchanan
>> San Diego, CA
>> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>>
>
>
> --
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| Subject: | Re: Completed Kitfoxes |
Doug, As an old woodshop teacher I can appreciate the work you put into that. nice
job.
Dan B
KF-VI 912s
Building
dpremgood@aim.com wrote:
Good day all,
My panel is 'steam driven' .
I used Mahogony veneer and epoxy varnish (6 coats) for the finish.
Note the Post lights. I converted them to LEDs.
Electrical load on the instruments lights is 300ma.
Doug Remoundos
Classic IV
Paint this spring
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| Subject: | Fuel Tank Sealing? |
Hi,
Given the properties below, would you think that this would be an
effective barrier/sealant to apply to the inside of a fiberglass tank
that will contain auto gas with ethanol?
Thanks for your experience.
larry
JEFFCO 9700FCR CHEMICAL RESISTANCE GUIDE
(3 WEEK IMMERSION)
Reagent % weight gain (loss)
Xylene 0.0
Toluene 2.3
1,1,1 Trichloroethane 0.0
MEK 2.3
EB (Ethylene Glycol Monobutyl Ether) 2.4
Ethyl Alcohol 6.9
Water (deionized) 1.2
5% Detergent Solution 0.0
10% Sodium Hydroxide 0.0
50% Sodium Hydroxide (0.2)
10% Sulfuric Acid 0.0
70% Sulfuric Acid 0.2
10% Hydrochloric Acid 0.1
5% Acetic Acid 2.6
10% Acetic Acid 5.4
Skydrol (0.03)
Synthetic Gasohol 0.0
Mogas, Diesel 0.0
JP-4, JP-5, JP-7, JP-8 0.0
Diethylene Glycol Monomethyl Ether 0.0
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| Subject: | capacitance fuel probes |
We've just completed the installation of capacitance probes on a pair of
RV4 tanks. The installation should be similar for the Kitfox with the
probe mounted on the side of the tank. Because of the dihedral in the
wing of the RV4 we bent the tube down at root and up at the end of the
tube. We used o-rings under the hold down bolts with a countersink cut
in the plastic top of the probe. Red Loctite sealant was applied to the
gaskets and the hold down bolts. To test the integrity of the tank, we
sealed all of the openings and used a balloon over the fuel outlet. We
then applied enough air pressure to expand the balloon and let it sit
for 24 hours. The balloon should remain expanded otherwise there is a
leak which must be repaired. Hope this helps.
Mike Crutchlow
Kitfox II, 582
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Alexander
Sent: February 5, 2008 9:42 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: capacitance fuel probes
--> <alexandj@preachain.org>
Has anyone installed capacitance fuel probes in Kitfox tanks? If so,
how was this executed? Looks a tad challenging since the top of the
tank makes up the top of the wing.
John Alexander
Woodland, CA
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| Subject: | Re: capacitance fuel probes |
Why? :)
The sight tubes are utterly reliable and you can see them with just a
slight shift of the eyeballs????
Jeff
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=162688#162688
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| Subject: | Re: RK400 clutch 582 application |
At 03:31 AM 2/6/2008, you wrote:
>I wonder how many RPM the prop willl take before being damaged.
LOL! I wondered about that when I was testing. Needless to
say I didn't push it. However I don't think there's any worry. The
prop will always spin faster pulling than pushing, since slippage
works against you both ways. (Meaning, it slips when generating
thrust, and slips worse when being thrust because of the lousy airfoil.)
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: capacitance fuel probes |
Thanks Dave. This seems to be the preferred method. I went to the Skysport
website and they had an installation procedure for just this method.
On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 07:21:27 -0400, Dave G. wrote
>
> I didn't install mine so I'm not sure how hard it is. But mine were
> installed through the side of the tank at the root end. They bend
> upward in about a 1" radius for 45 deg and then a 90 deg turn down
> do the the probe travels to the bottom of the tank at a 45 deg
> slant. They are sealed with Hylomar and don't leak.
>
> Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/582
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Alexander" <alexandj@preachain.org>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 10:41 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: capacitance fuel probes
>
> > <alexandj@preachain.org>
> >
> > Has anyone installed capacitance fuel probes in Kitfox tanks? If so, how
> > was
> > this executed? Looks a tad challenging since the top of the tank makes up
> > the
> > top of the wing.
> >
> > John Alexander
> > Woodland, CA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | E-bay Mod 3 or 4 |
There's what looks like a 75% or so complete model 3 or 4 with 582 (c box) and
grove gear on e-bay now with a "buy-it-now" price of $15K. Anybody know the details?
Looks like a good deal for someone.
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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| Subject: | E-bay Mod 3 or 4 |
There's what looks like a 75% or so complete model 3 or 4 with 582 (c box) and
grove gear on e-bay now with a "buy-it-now" price of $15K. Anybody know the details?
Looks like a good deal for someone.
Forgot to include the link:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=ADME%3AB%3ASS%3AUS%3A1123&viewitem=&item=260209539831
Marco Menezes
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| Subject: | Re: RK400 clutch 582 application |
> LOL! I wondered about that when I was testing. Needless to
> say I didn't push it. However I don't think there's any worry. The
> prop will always spin faster pulling than pushing, since slippage
> works against you both ways.
Maybe you can do the math for RPM, pitch and speed to get an idea of RPMs with
the slippage being a safety factor. Pitch = distance traveled through the air
in one revolution.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV, Phase one
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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Has any one on the list changed over to the clutch on the 912ULS
engine? If so do the improvements out weigh the cost etc.
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| Subject: | Re: RK400 clutch 582 application |
Low-power descents are where Lowell's rad shutters save the day. Adjust the shutters
as needed to keep temps above 140 degrees. They work like a charm. They
also help get the temps up faster on the ground. An easy, inexpensive mod that
I highly recommend, whether or not you have the RK400 installed.
http://highwingllc.com/
John Alexander <alexandj@preachain.org> wrote:
This certainly makes sense, since the RK-400 clutch is set to disengage at
about 2500 rpm. I'm guessing that with older ones, the springs that hold the
slipper shoes back at low rpm get tired and so engage and disengage at lower rpm.
But yes, as long as the engine rpm is below the engagement rpm for the clutch,
the prop will go to town - spinning freely.
Please do take note of my aside on warming the engine with the clutch
installed. I repair more than a few cold seizured engines every year. This
is something that is completely avoidable, but becomes something to always
keep in mind when using the RK-400 clutch, since the engine can operate at
very low rpm and load factors. Long, low power descents followed by a
go-around is where you will get bit here.
John Alexander
On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 19:02:32 -0800, Guy Buchanan wrote
>
> At 02:20 PM 2/5/2008, you wrote:
> >In a descent with the engine RPM below the engagement threshold of
> >the clutch or in the case of a stopped engine, the prop will
> >freewheel. It is known that a freewheeling prop has higher drag
> >than one that is stationary.
>
> Just to clarify. If I pull the throttle and descend, the
> engine will remain at some high idle or even higher RPM, being
> driven by the prop. If I slow until the engine RPM drops below 2400
> it will immediately drop to 1500. I can then accelerate to any speed
> and the engine will remain at 1500, while the prop appears to spin
> like crazy.
>
> Guy Buchanan
> San Diego, CA
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
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Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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| Subject: | Speedster vs original 4-1200 on floats |
Can anyone tell me how the speedster C-4 compare to the original standard
wing on floats=3F
Jack
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| Subject: | Re: RK400 clutch 582 application |
"Maybe you can do the math for RPM, pitch and speed to get an idea of RPMs
with the slippage being a safety factor. Pitch = distance traveled through
the air in one revolution"
Or..., just point an optical "checker" out the windshield.
http://store.wagaero.com/product_info.php?products_id=2933
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| Subject: | Re: E-bay Mod 3 or 4 |
Marco, the ad gives a nice history of Kitfox, but nothing about the
aircraft that is for sale. Are you sure that it's a 582 C-box? Looks
somewhat like a B-box to me. Also, when did 582s start using oil
coolers? Is that an oil cooler I'm seeing? Could that possibly be a
912 under there?
Just a few things that don't make sense.
Deke
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Marco Menezes
To: Matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 11:51 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: E-bay Mod 3 or 4
There's what looks like a 75% or so complete model 3 or 4 with 582 (c
box) and grove gear on e-bay now with a "buy-it-now" price of $15K.
Anybody know the details? Looks like a good deal for someone.
Forgot to include the link:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=ADM
E%3AB%3ASS%3AUS%3A1123&viewitem=&item=260209539831
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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| Subject: | Re: E-bay Mod 3 or 4 |
I don't know Deke. Looks like a 582 box up front, be it a B or C. Can't explain
the oil coolerish thing up there. Also, don't see any wings. I'll ask the seller.
Marco
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fox5flyer <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net> wrote:
Marco, the ad gives a nice history of Kitfox, but nothing about the aircraft
that is for sale. Are you sure that it's a 582 C-box? Looks somewhat
like a B-box to me. Also, when did 582s start using oil coolers? Is that an
oil cooler I'm seeing? Could that possibly be a 912 under there?
Just a few things that don't make sense.
Deke
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Marco Menezes
To: Matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 11:51 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: E-bay Mod 3 or 4
There's what looks like a 75% or so complete model 3 or 4 with 582 (c box) and
grove gear on e-bay now with a "buy-it-now" price of $15K. Anybody know the
details? Looks like a good deal for someone.
Forgot to include the link:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=ADME%3AB%3ASS%3AUS%3A1123&viewitem=&item=260209539831
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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| Subject: | Re: E-bay Mod 3 or 4 |
OK, if it is a 582 and complete, whether a B or C box, it's definitely
a "grab it now" deal for someone. Just enough left to do to be familiar
with the airplane, yet most of the time consuming stuff is done. I
think I saw a set of wings hanging on the wall. Please give us a report
on what the seller says.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but
progress."
- Joseph Joubert
From: Marco Menezes
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: E-bay Mod 3 or 4
I don't know Deke. Looks like a 582 box up front, be it a B or C.
Can't explain the oil coolerish thing up there. Also, don't see any
wings. I'll ask the seller.
Marco
do not archive.
fox5flyer <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net> wrote:
Marco, the ad gives a nice history of Kitfox, but nothing about the
aircraft that is for sale. Are you sure that it's a 582 C-box? Looks
somewhat like a B-box to me. Also, when did 582s start using oil
coolers? Is that an oil cooler I'm seeing? Could that possibly be a
912 under there?
Just a few things that don't make sense.
Deke
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Marco Menezes
To: Matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 11:51 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: E-bay Mod 3 or 4
There's what looks like a 75% or so complete model 3 or 4 with 582
(c box) and grove gear on e-bay now with a "buy-it-now" price of $15K.
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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| Subject: | Re: capacitance fuel probes |
John,
I have installed a lot of the capacitance fuel probes in other
planes. Most of those probes can be cut down in length to fit your
application. You could to run it at an angle, like from the outboard top
of the tank to the inboard bottom. This angle would allow a longer probe
and be more accurate. A threaded boss could be glassed into the tank and
the probe threads into that but you would have to have a way to remove
the probe after the wing is finished, for maintanence. Although it would
be cool to do that and I thought about it myself since I installed a
Dynon D-180 but I just went with the sight guages. It is not hard to do
if you have some fiberglass experience.
Mike Custard
Bend, Or
Super Sport 91%
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| Subject: | Re: Info found on HVLP gun setup! |
The only difference that I see in the H.F. HVLP and regular is that
the HVLP has a larger fluid tip to allow more liquid to flow and the
aircap doesn't atomize the paint as well. They are both gravity feed
guns which to me is the only way to go. I sprayed Aerothane on my plane
and I found it incredibly easy to spray. I did add a little more reducer
than called for, seemed to atomize a little better. My first coat was a
light tack coat followed by a full wet cross coat and then one more
cross coat that was very wet.
As someone mentioned ealier, it is very important to spray a test
pattern before each coat. I do it on a cardboard box that I have sitting
next to my paint job. I normally spray with the trigger wide open and
control the amount of paint going onto the surface by the speed of my
arm, always maintaining a consistant speed, distance from the painted
surface and always have the gun 90 degrees to the surface the entire
time the trigger is pulled. Also, start spraying a few inchs away from
the part as you begin moving the gun toward the part to paint. You never
want to start pulling the trigger with the gun pointed at the part.
The more lights you can have the better. You have to see the painted
surface in the reflection of the light to see how wet or dry the paint
application is. I usually run about 60-65 PSI at the regulator which is
at the other end of my 50 foot hose, the pressure will drop a little
before it gets to the gun.
Mike Custard
Bend, Or
Super Sport 91%
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