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1. 12:15 AM - Re: Apology (Michel Verheughe)
2. 03:36 AM - Re: Apology (fox5flyer)
3. 04:19 AM - Re: Oil injection filter (dave)
4. 04:23 AM - Re: Finally (dave)
5. 05:25 AM - Re: Weight Affected by Color of Plane (dave)
6. 05:33 AM - Re: rotax 912UL (dave)
7. 05:48 AM - Of Test Pilots And Light Paint (KITFOXZ@aol.com)
8. 06:23 AM - Re: Of Test Pilots And Light Paint (Lynn Matteson)
9. 07:41 AM - Re: Of Test Pilots And Light Paint (KITFOXZ@aol.com)
10. 08:29 AM - Re: Weight Affected by Color of Plane (SkySteve)
11. 08:35 AM - Re: Of Test Pilots And Light Paint (Tom Jones)
12. 08:38 AM - Re: Of Test Pilots And Light Paint (Guy Buchanan)
13. 08:39 AM - Re: Re: rotax 912UL (Guy Buchanan)
14. 09:22 AM - Re: Re: rotax 912UL (Michael Gibbs)
15. 09:28 AM - Re: Of Test Pilots And Light Paint (James Shumaker)
16. 11:16 AM - Re: Re: Apology ()
17. 12:45 PM - Re: Of Test Pilots And Light Paint (Lynn Matteson)
18. 12:57 PM - Re: Apology (akflyer)
19. 01:01 PM - Re: Of Test Pilots And Light Paint (akflyer)
20. 01:08 PM - Re: Of Test Pilots And Light Paint (Lynn Matteson)
21. 01:36 PM - Re: Re: Of Test Pilots And Light Paint (Lynn Matteson)
22. 01:50 PM - Over the fjord (Michel Verheughe)
23. 02:22 PM - Re: Over the fjord (Steve Shinabery)
24. 05:26 PM - enclosed trailers (Mike Chaney)
25. 05:40 PM - Re: enclosed trailers (Sbennett3@aol.com)
26. 06:19 PM - Re: enclosed trailers (vetdrem)
27. 06:24 PM - Re: enclosed trailers (Steve Shinabery)
28. 07:08 PM - Re: Over the fjord (jeff puls)
29. 07:42 PM - Re: enclosed trailers (Guy Buchanan)
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> From: Guy Buchanan [bnn@nethere.com]
> I want everyone to know I was NOT chastising Michel in ANY
> WAY. It was a poorly worded joke. I apologize for any hard feelings
> or confusion.
... hum, Guy, I understood your comments as a joke, of course. Because I am NEVER
flying at or near Vne if it isn't only a fraction of a second, when I test
my max RPM at WOT; usually when levelling after initial climb.
If anyone got the impression that I do, it is then my turn to apologize.
In fact, I do exactly the opposite; I always fly at a very safe speed, away from
Vne and Vso. A year ago I flew to Germany and back in formation with a Skyranger
with a Rotax 912. At two occasions, I had to ask my wing mate to slow down.
Since he lives and fly from the same place where the Scandinavian Jabiru dealer
lives, later on I got a phone call from him asking if really my Kitfox with Jabiru
was flying so much slower than the Skyranger (pretty similar type of aircraft
as the Kitfox) with a Rotax 912.
To what I had to answer: "Of course, not! I could have kept the same speed as he
did but I wanted to fly slower because it was typical summer sunshine thermic
turbulence. especially along the Swedish coast with an onshore breeze; you know,
when mild and wet air comes from the sea and rises over land to form nice
cumulus.
The thing is; I don't like to fly seeing the ASI needle moving up and down near
Vne. Once I had to pull the throttle to idle in order to stay under Vne and at
the same altitude. It was funny; flying forward with the nose down. But, flying
in controlled airspace, with a light aircraft in thermic cells, it's the only
way to do it.
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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Just consider the source of the criticism Guy. You're doing a good job.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress."
- Joseph Joubert
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Guy Buchanan" <bnn@nethere.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 11:27 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Apology
>
> All,
> I received some criticism for my reply to Michel's post
> about flying at Vne. In particular with regard to saying:
>
> "YOU ARE A TEST PILOT. (Michel, I admire your courage.)"
>
> I want everyone to know I was NOT chastising Michel in ANY
> WAY. It was a poorly worded joke. I apologize for any hard feelings
> or confusion.
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> San Diego, CA
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
> Do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oil injection filter |
> Hi Larry,
> I assume we're talking 582 here? I suspect the 1/4" is fine
> from a flow standpoint, the oil moves awfully slow. I buy my oil
> filters from CPS (http://www.800-airwolf.com/) and they pretty much
> match the oil injection system barb. I change it at annual, though
> I've never heard one way or another. (I guess I should have cut my
> last one open to find out if anything was inside.)
> Guy Buchanan
>
No the 1/4" is not the right one. you can get the 5/16"s one for a 5$ or so.
Use a urethane line on it as well. And you don't have to cut it open to see what
is inside as you can look into the end of it once off and see and debris on
the screen. It is just a plastic housing with a screen inside. I would continue
to change them annually.
Toll free line to get them here http://www.rotaxservices.com/
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> My S-7 still takes off in 150 feet and the RPM is about the same. Life is good
>
Yes my 582 will take off the same or less. I find it very comical to read about
the splitting of hairs on deciding what colour of paint is the lightest.
How about talking why you cannot take off in 150 feet? LOL [Shocked] [Shocked]
[Shocked] [Shocked] [Shocked]
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| Subject: | Re: Weight Affected by Color of Plane |
> Its pigment is titanium dioxide and it the lightest
Clint you are so right and the titanium dioxide is a great UV barrier/reflector.
that is what is used in latex paint as well. It works for UV blocker on fabric
yes.
For argument;s sake on weight of different colours of paint , a more than need
complex weight of a door latch on both doors will by far out weigh the colour
you choose to paint a airplane.
Let's forget about the what if's and let talk about some real down to earth flying.
Mine is sitting in the sun right now ready for another day of fun on skis.
cyas :P :P :P :P :P [Rolling Eyes] [Rolling Eyes] [Wink] [Crying
or Very sad] [Laughing] [Laughing] :D :D :D
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> (I think I was told the world
> record cruise for a IV was 132mph, though that might have been top
> speed.)
Where did you get that info?
I would bet that a faired IV with a 914 will see 140 to 150 mph + at over
FL180 to the low FL200s.
a IV with a 912 UL will see mid 120s or better at low altitude.
I think Paul Seehafer's Amphib 912UL sees close to 110 to 120 WOT
My little 582 IV cruises with big wheels in the low 90s and WOT 102 to 104 now.
and a hellva alot of fun factor.
Fun Factor is greater on skis with alot more accessible terrain now. :)
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| Subject: | Of Test Pilots And Light Paint |
Guys,
Lurking among these recent posts, I have decided to NOT paint nor even
Poly-tack the covering on my beauty. I am removing most structural adhesive in
favor of scotch tape and very light bailing wire. Does any one of you have an
extremely light weight "Experimental" decal I could buy?
John P. Marzluf (John Z.)
Columbus, Ohio
Series V Outback (Out Back In The Garage)
20% Complete, Not Currently Building
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| Subject: | Re: Of Test Pilots And Light Paint |
John-
I was thinking that if you took the normal "Experimental" decal, and
cut horizontal strips out of the material...say 1/4" wide...you could
probably cut the weight in half...a HUGE saving in weight, and the
word would still be readable. And stand by....I'm currently working
on a method of drilling lightening holes in bailing
wire...**aluminum** bailing wire.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/475+ hrs
do not archive
On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:46 AM, KITFOXZ@aol.com wrote:
> Guys,
>
> Lurking among these recent posts, I have decided to NOT paint nor
> even Poly-tack the covering on my beauty. I am removing most
> structural adhesive in favor of scotch tape and very light bailing
> wire. Does any one of you have an extremely light weight
> "Experimental" decal I could buy?
>
> John P. Marzluf (John Z.)
> Columbus, Ohio
> Series V Outback (Out Back In The Garage)
> 20% Complete, Not Currently Building
> Do Not Archive
>
>
> Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on
> AOL Living.
> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _-
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| Subject: | Re: Of Test Pilots And Light Paint |
Great Scot Lynn!, Genius! As many have said before, this list is a wealth
of Kitfox, indeed, aircraft construction knowledge! BTW, I just discovered
that my fuselage frame weldment is built out of HOLLOW tubing! I'm now 1/2
finished! Even Wilber and Orville nit-picked their way to success you think?
;
^ )
--John
In a message dated 2/24/2008 9:25:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
lynnmatt@jps.net writes:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
John-
I was thinking that if you took the normal "Experimental" decal, and
cut horizontal strips out of the material...say 1/4" wide...you could
probably cut the weight in half...a HUGE saving in weight, and the
word would still be readable. And stand by....I'm currently working
on a method of drilling lightening holes in bailing
wire...**aluminum** bailing wire.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/475+ hrs
do not archive
On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:46 AM, KITFOXZ@aol.com wrote:
> Guys,
>
> Lurking among these recent posts, I have decided to NOT paint nor
> even Poly-tack the covering on my beauty. I am removing most
> structural adhesive in favor of scotch tape and very light bailing
> wire. Does any one of you have an extremely light weight
> "Experimental" decal I could buy?
>
> John P. Marzluf (John Z.)
> Columbus, Ohio
> Series V Outback (Out Back In The Garage)
> 20% Complete, Not Currently Building
> Do Not Archive
>
>
> Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on
> AOL Living.
> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _-
> www.matronics.com/contribution _-
> ===========================================================
**************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living.
(http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/
2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)
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| Subject: | Re: Weight Affected by Color of Plane |
Hey guys,
Sorry I asked. The original question was legit. So, go fly your planes, or at
least, talk about doing it.
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Steve Wilson
Huntsville, UT
Kitfox I-IV 85DD
912A / 3 Blade Warp Drive
Convertable Nosewheel & Tailwheel
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| Subject: | Re: Of Test Pilots And Light Paint |
you guys are playing with fire.
do not archive
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Tom Jones
Classic IV, Phase one
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Of Test Pilots And Light Paint |
At 05:46 AM 2/24/2008, you wrote:
>Lurking among these recent posts, I have decided to NOT paint nor
>even Poly-tack the covering on my beauty. I am removing most
>structural adhesive in favor of scotch tape and very light bailing
>wire. Does any one of you have an extremely light weight
>"Experimental" decal I could buy?
LOL! I always wondered if you could do the entire plane in Monokote.
Any model builders out there?
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
Do not archive
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At 05:30 AM 2/24/2008, you wrote:
>Where did you get that info?
From one of the owner's friends at last year's Desert Fox Fly-in.
I'll follow up at this year's fly-in and report with more detail.
(Shameless plug for the Desert Fox Fly-in.)
>I would bet that a faired IV with a 914 will see 140 to 150
>mph + at over FL180 to the low FL200s.
Now that's a novel idea. An IFR Kitfox with O2 in the flight levels.
I dunno, sounds kinda wierd. But I suspect you're right about the
true airspeed.
>a IV with a 912 UL will see mid 120s or better at low altitude.
Lowell used to cruise at 115 mph, if I recall. I don't know what his
top speed was. I know when I travel with the 912 fleet, I'm only
about 10 slower in cruise than they are, which puts them around 100 mph or so.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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Guy sez:
>Now that's a novel idea. An IFR Kitfox with O2 in the flight levels.
>I dunno, sounds kinda wierd. But I suspect you're right about the
>true airspeed.
I threw the O2 bottle out of the Turbo Arrow in the back of my
912S-powered IV and took her up to 17,500 (density altitude 19,600)
one day. She was still climbing 300 feet per minute (measured, not
indicated) but leveled off she didn't really pick up much speed.
Unfortunately, I never figured out what my TAS was on that adventure.
At more reasonable altitudes she could hit 140 mph in level flight
(full power) and high-speed cruise was between 125 and 130. I
usually went a bit slower because it required about 5.5 gph to get
those numbers. She was a speedster with clipped wings, wheel pants,
gas cap fairings, streamlined horizontal stabilizer braces, lift
strut fairings, the Safari-style cowling and every other
drag-reducing device I could think of. She also had an Ivo medium
in-flight adjustable prop and was pretty light (660 pounds empty).
Mike G.
N728KF
Phoenix, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Of Test Pilots And Light Paint |
I am currently test flying one of our EAA chapter members newly built experimental.
(Not a Kitfox but the same weight class.) During the painting process he
had trouble getting the paint on smooth so he added a few coats extra to smooth
it out. He used two part industrial paint from his work. The extra paint
added over 70 # to the target weight. Performance was hampered as well as the
useful load.
A coat of white under a light color will still be brighter than a light color over
poly spray alone. Probably be as light or lighter also.
Jim Shumaker
----- Original Message ----
From: "KITFOXZ@aol.com" <KITFOXZ@aol.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 5:46:03 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Of Test Pilots And Light Paint
Guys,
Lurking among these recent posts, I have decided to NOT paint nor even Poly-tack
the covering on my beauty. I am removing most structural adhesive in favor
of scotch tape and very light bailing wire. Does any one of you have an extremely
light weight "Experimental" decal I could buy?
John P. Marzluf (John Z.)
Columbus, Ohio
Series V Outback (Out Back In The Garage)
20% Complete, Not Currently Building
Do Not Archive
Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL Living.
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One of the reasons that we have members who are over-sensitive to criticism is
the fact that we have too much criticism going on. Nobody joined the list in order
to have their views attacked. Can't we focus on positive and constructive
criticism, rather than the little-girl "catty" attacks? We are all full grown
men and don't value attacks on each others values. No one in the group is so
stupid/lame/weak that he will change his values because Joe Blow thinks he's wrong.
It's true that we have some "experts" in the group, but they must 'use their
powers for good...not evil.' Let's focus on Kitfoxes, not on trying to rebuild
each others values. It's too late for that. Those of us that are EVIL are
already lost.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
John Sandt / Kitfox 7 / Ridgecrest, CA Under construction
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| Subject: | Re: Of Test Pilots And Light Paint |
O & W probably argued over using just plain Scotch Tape, or fiber
reinforced Scotch Tape...HEAVY...to hold the toothpicks together.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/475+ hrs
do not archive
On Feb 24, 2008, at 10:38 AM, KITFOXZ@aol.com wrote:
> Great Scot Lynn!, Genius! As many have said before, this list is a
> wealth of Kitfox, indeed, aircraft construction knowledge! BTW, I
> just discovered that my fuselage frame weldment is built out of
> HOLLOW tubing! I'm now 1/2 finished! Even Wilber and Orville nit-
> picked their way to success you think? ; ^ )
>
> --John
>
> In a message dated 2/24/2008 9:25:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> lynnmatt@jps.net writes:
>
> John-
> I was thinking that if you took the normal "Experimental" decal, and
> cut horizontal strips out of the material...say 1/4" wide...you could
> probably cut the weight in half...a HUGE saving in weight, and the
> word would still be readable. And stand by....I'm currently working
> on a method of drilling lightening holes in bailing
> wire...**aluminum** bailing wire.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Grass Lake, Michigan
> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
> flying w/475+ hrs
> do not archive
>
>
> On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:46 AM, KITFOXZ@aol.com wrote:
>
> > Guys,
> >
> > Lurking among these recent posts, I have decided to NOT paint nor
> > even Poly-tack the covering on my beauty. I am removing most
> > structural adhesive in favor of scotch tape and very light bailing
> > wire. Does any one of you have an extremely light weight
> > "Experimental" decal I could buy?
> >
> > John P. Marzluf (John Z.)
> > Columbus, Ohio
> > Series V Outback (Out Back In The Garage)
> > 20% Complete, Not Currently Building
> > Do Not Archive
> >
> >
> >
> > Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on
> > www.matronics.com/contribution _-
> > ========================he es y --> - MATRONICS
> WEB FORUMS nbsp; - List Contribution Web
> Site ; ========================
>
>
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> AOL Living.
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Guy Buchanan wrote:
> All,
> I received some criticism for my reply to Michel's post
> about flying at Vne. In particular with regard to saying:
>
> "YOU ARE A TEST PILOT. (Michel, I admire your courage.)"
>
> I want everyone to know I was NOT chastising Michel in ANY
> WAY. It was a poorly worded joke. I apologize for any hard feelings
> or confusion.
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> San Diego, CA
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
> Do not archive
Guy you are one of the few that lets a little humor in.. Keep it that way. If
someone gets uptight over a little comment like that, they need to find another
place to hang out.
Keep the place alive by showing we are humans not robots.
As always, I have nothing constructive to add to the site so please.
Do not archive
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Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
95% complete
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| Subject: | Re: Of Test Pilots And Light Paint |
Guy Buchanan wrote:
> At 05:46 AM 2/24/2008, you wrote:
>
> > Lurking among these recent posts, I have decided to NOT paint nor
> > even Poly-tack the covering on my beauty. I am removing most
> > structural adhesive in favor of scotch tape and very light bailing
> > wire. Does any one of you have an extremely light weight
> > "Experimental" decal I could buy?
> >
> >
>
> LOL! I always wondered if you could do the entire plane in Monokote.
> Any model builders out there?
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> San Diego, CA
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
> Do not archive
only built a couple hundred... I would lean towards super coverite, monokote gets
too brittle in the cold. No nead to paint and rib stitching is optional if
you use balsa rite.
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Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
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| Subject: | Re: Of Test Pilots And Light Paint |
Yup! But my favorite covering was Ultracote, not Money-Cote (as my
friends used to call it) The Ultracote seemed to stretch better in
all directions, unlike the Monokote...that I tried at least...which
seemed to stretch better in one direction than the other. My last
plane to cover was a still-unfinished (guess why?) Top Flite Giant
Scale Stinson Reliant SR- 9. Got everything built, and started to
cover with Stits Lite cloth, and was having so much fun with this
covering and shrinking deal that when it came time to do the 'fox, it
was a natural segue. I was amazed at how the fabric made the 3-
dimensional transition from the horizontal tail surface to the
vertical fin surface on the model. The same thing happened when I did
the same area on the Kitfox...that curve was pure sex!
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/475+ hrs
do not archive
On Feb 24, 2008, at 11:22 AM, Guy Buchanan wrote:
>
> At 05:46 AM 2/24/2008, you wrote:
>> Lurking among these recent posts, I have decided to NOT paint nor
>> even Poly-tack the covering on my beauty. I am removing most
>> structural adhesive in favor of scotch tape and very light bailing
>> wire. Does any one of you have an extremely light weight
>> "Experimental" decal I could buy?
>
> LOL! I always wondered if you could do the entire plane in
> Monokote. Any model builders out there?
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> San Diego, CA
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
> Do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: Of Test Pilots And Light Paint |
Do you remember Supershrink Coverite? It was a fabric that I covered
a Top Flite Gold Edition P-40 with...over the balsa sheeting. They
discontinued the Supershrink shortly after I finished that plane. I
still have the plane. It was flown for me twice...I was too chicken-
- - - to fly it myself at the time. It has a YS 120AC engine in it...
2.45 "supercharged" 4-stroke ponies in that bad boy....2-strokes
suck!...in my humble opinion, of course.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/475+ hrs
do not archive
On Feb 24, 2008, at 3:57 PM, akflyer wrote:
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>
> Guy Buchanan wrote:
>> At 05:46 AM 2/24/2008, you wrote:
>>
>>> Lurking among these recent posts, I have decided to NOT paint nor
>>> even Poly-tack the covering on my beauty. I am removing most
>>> structural adhesive in favor of scotch tape and very light bailing
>>> wire. Does any one of you have an extremely light weight
>>> "Experimental" decal I could buy?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> LOL! I always wondered if you could do the entire plane in Monokote.
>> Any model builders out there?
>>
>>
>> Guy Buchanan
>> San Diego, CA
>> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>>
>> Do not archive
>
>
> only built a couple hundred... I would lean towards super coverite,
> monokote gets too brittle in the cold. No nead to paint and rib
> stitching is optional if you use balsa rite.
>
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> 582 IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1260
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Went flying in formation with a friend today. Not very far but we crossed the Oslo
fjord and I took a short video: Here it is:
http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/Fjorden.mov
As you can see, no snow near the coast. It has been a very mild winter.
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Re: Over the fjord |
Michel Verheughe wrote:
> Went flying in formation with a friend today. Not very far but we crossed the
Oslo fjord and I took a short video: Here it is:
> http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/Fjorden.mov
>
> As you can see, no snow near the coast. It has been a very mild winter.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel Verheughe
> Norway
> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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Neat Video Michel...thanks Steve Shinabery N554KF, KF2,
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| Subject: | enclosed trailers |
Every year I look back and evaluate what it cost to fly and every year I see that
hanger rent makes up the largest percentage of my flying costs. So every year
I think about building an enclosed trailer not so much for transporting my
Kitfox but for storage at the airport.
I usually give up on the idea after two or three weeks of thinking about it.
However, has anyone on the list gone this route? I know there has been alot
of talk about trailers but not so much about enclosed trailers.
Mike Chaney
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| Subject: | Re: enclosed trailers |
Mike, I hear that you can expect corrosion issues if you keep it in an
enclosed trailer. I have a friend that has one and he says I can use it, but
that
would only be for an off airport forced landing. Steve Bennett 4-912
North Carolina
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| Subject: | Re: enclosed trailers |
I bought my kitfox because I winter in Florida, spring and fall are in Arkansas,
and summer in Michigan and I needed a plane that I could take with me. My plane
came on an open, flatbed trailer that would carry it down the road, but not
provide much protection, I built a framework out of conduit, and covered it
with a tarp that is designed for covering lumber on semis. It has worked great
for about 2500 miles so far, and the plane has been "hangered" in it here
in Florida for the last three months. It takes about five minutes to roll it
out using the 12 volt winch that I installed. I haven't noticed any corrosion
or other ill effects from leaving it in the trailer. Of course, it isn't air
tight, and it isn't as secure as a rigid sided trailer would be, but has sure
worked well for me. The airport charges $30 per month to leave the trailer
in a tiedown spot, (beats $$$$ for hanger fees). I can probably take some pics
if you are interested.
Louie
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| Subject: | Re: enclosed trailers |
Mike Chaney wrote:
> Every year I look back and evaluate what it cost to fly and every year
> I see that hanger rent makes up the largest percentage of my flying
> costs. So every year I think about building an enclosed trailer not
> so much for transporting my Kitfox but for storage at the airport.
>
> I usually give up on the idea after two or three weeks of thinking
> about it. However, has anyone on the list gone this route? I know
> there has been alot of talk about trailers but not so much about
> enclosed trailers.
>
> Mike Chaney
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the thing with enclosed trailers is..That you have to watch how wide the
back door opening is.I have a 24ft enclosed trailer.I would have to do
alot of changing of the back door drop down.to get it to fit inside.but
it would if do alot of changing to it to fit.and all so have to watch
how tall the trailer is.even if you would change the rear door to fit
.it would be a close fit trailer is 108 in wide,and KF is app 8ft wide
wings folded.U would have app 6in on each side of wings in the
trailer..real tight fit..but it has been done..you would need at least a
24ft-28ft trailer..Steve Shinabery N554KF KF2
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| Subject: | Re: Over the fjord |
Mike,
I go to the site and it gives me QuickTime downloads and the cost to install
it? Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 4:47 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Over the fjord
> Went flying in formation with a friend today. Not very far but we crossed
> the Oslo fjord and I took a short video: Here it is:
> http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/Fjorden.mov
>
> As you can see, no snow near the coast. It has been a very mild winter.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel Verheughe
> Norway
> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
>
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| Subject: | Re: enclosed trailers |
At 05:23 PM 2/24/2008, you wrote:
>I usually give up on the idea after two or three weeks of thinking
>about it. However, has anyone on the list gone this route? I know
>there has been alot of talk about trailers but not so much about
>enclosed trailers.
Here's where my Kitfox IV lives. Out West we call them "toy
boxes" because they're made to haul dune buggies and the like. My Fox
fits with 1/2" to spare either side of the wings. It takes me seven
minutes to set up or tear down, but I designed for it. I pay for a
tie down so if I can get two more Foxes and boxes I'll get my monthly
down to $36.
I highly recommend it. Oh, and I have no problems with
condensation because the trailer walls are all vented out the bottom.
Also I have a couple of solar fans in the roof, and a solar panel
charger for my battery. The trailer cost $6600. (I didn't mind
because it's very marketable used.)
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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