---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 02/24/08: 29 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:15 AM - Re: Apology (Michel Verheughe) 2. 03:36 AM - Re: Apology (fox5flyer) 3. 04:19 AM - Re: Oil injection filter (dave) 4. 04:23 AM - Re: Finally (dave) 5. 05:25 AM - Re: Weight Affected by Color of Plane (dave) 6. 05:33 AM - Re: rotax 912UL (dave) 7. 05:48 AM - Of Test Pilots And Light Paint (KITFOXZ@aol.com) 8. 06:23 AM - Re: Of Test Pilots And Light Paint (Lynn Matteson) 9. 07:41 AM - Re: Of Test Pilots And Light Paint (KITFOXZ@aol.com) 10. 08:29 AM - Re: Weight Affected by Color of Plane (SkySteve) 11. 08:35 AM - Re: Of Test Pilots And Light Paint (Tom Jones) 12. 08:38 AM - Re: Of Test Pilots And Light Paint (Guy Buchanan) 13. 08:39 AM - Re: Re: rotax 912UL (Guy Buchanan) 14. 09:22 AM - Re: Re: rotax 912UL (Michael Gibbs) 15. 09:28 AM - Re: Of Test Pilots And Light Paint (James Shumaker) 16. 11:16 AM - Re: Re: Apology () 17. 12:45 PM - Re: Of Test Pilots And Light Paint (Lynn Matteson) 18. 12:57 PM - Re: Apology (akflyer) 19. 01:01 PM - Re: Of Test Pilots And Light Paint (akflyer) 20. 01:08 PM - Re: Of Test Pilots And Light Paint (Lynn Matteson) 21. 01:36 PM - Re: Re: Of Test Pilots And Light Paint (Lynn Matteson) 22. 01:50 PM - Over the fjord (Michel Verheughe) 23. 02:22 PM - Re: Over the fjord (Steve Shinabery) 24. 05:26 PM - enclosed trailers (Mike Chaney) 25. 05:40 PM - Re: enclosed trailers (Sbennett3@aol.com) 26. 06:19 PM - Re: enclosed trailers (vetdrem) 27. 06:24 PM - Re: enclosed trailers (Steve Shinabery) 28. 07:08 PM - Re: Over the fjord (jeff puls) 29. 07:42 PM - Re: enclosed trailers (Guy Buchanan) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:15:03 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Apology > From: Guy Buchanan [bnn@nethere.com] > I want everyone to know I was NOT chastising Michel in ANY > WAY. It was a poorly worded joke. I apologize for any hard feelings > or confusion. ... hum, Guy, I understood your comments as a joke, of course. Because I am NEVER flying at or near Vne if it isn't only a fraction of a second, when I test my max RPM at WOT; usually when levelling after initial climb. If anyone got the impression that I do, it is then my turn to apologize. In fact, I do exactly the opposite; I always fly at a very safe speed, away from Vne and Vso. A year ago I flew to Germany and back in formation with a Skyranger with a Rotax 912. At two occasions, I had to ask my wing mate to slow down. Since he lives and fly from the same place where the Scandinavian Jabiru dealer lives, later on I got a phone call from him asking if really my Kitfox with Jabiru was flying so much slower than the Skyranger (pretty similar type of aircraft as the Kitfox) with a Rotax 912. To what I had to answer: "Of course, not! I could have kept the same speed as he did but I wanted to fly slower because it was typical summer sunshine thermic turbulence. especially along the Swedish coast with an onshore breeze; you know, when mild and wet air comes from the sea and rises over land to form nice cumulus. The thing is; I don't like to fly seeing the ASI needle moving up and down near Vne. Once I had to pull the throttle to idle in order to stay under Vne and at the same altitude. It was funny; flying forward with the nose down. But, flying in controlled airspace, with a light aircraft in thermic cells, it's the only way to do it. Cheers, Michel Verheughe Norway Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:36:36 AM PST US From: "fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Apology Just consider the source of the criticism Guy. You're doing a good job. Deke Morisse Mikado Michigan S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress." - Joseph Joubert please do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Guy Buchanan" Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 11:27 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Apology > > All, > I received some criticism for my reply to Michel's post > about flying at Vne. In particular with regard to saying: > > "YOU ARE A TEST PILOT. (Michel, I admire your courage.)" > > I want everyone to know I was NOT chastising Michel in ANY > WAY. It was a poorly worded joke. I apologize for any hard feelings > or confusion. > > > Guy Buchanan > San Diego, CA > K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. > > Do not archive > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:19:24 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Oil injection filter From: "dave" > Hi Larry, > I assume we're talking 582 here? I suspect the 1/4" is fine > from a flow standpoint, the oil moves awfully slow. I buy my oil > filters from CPS (http://www.800-airwolf.com/) and they pretty much > match the oil injection system barb. I change it at annual, though > I've never heard one way or another. (I guess I should have cut my > last one open to find out if anything was inside.) > Guy Buchanan > No the 1/4" is not the right one. you can get the 5/16"s one for a 5$ or so. Use a urethane line on it as well. And you don't have to cut it open to see what is inside as you can look into the end of it once off and see and debris on the screen. It is just a plastic housing with a screen inside. I would continue to change them annually. Toll free line to get them here http://www.rotaxservices.com/ -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=165919#165919 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:23:08 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Finally From: "dave" > My S-7 still takes off in 150 feet and the RPM is about the same. Life is good > Yes my 582 will take off the same or less. I find it very comical to read about the splitting of hairs on deciding what colour of paint is the lightest. How about talking why you cannot take off in 150 feet? LOL [Shocked] [Shocked] [Shocked] [Shocked] [Shocked] -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=165920#165920 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:25:51 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Weight Affected by Color of Plane From: "dave" > Its pigment is titanium dioxide and it the lightest Clint you are so right and the titanium dioxide is a great UV barrier/reflector. that is what is used in latex paint as well. It works for UV blocker on fabric yes. For argument;s sake on weight of different colours of paint , a more than need complex weight of a door latch on both doors will by far out weigh the colour you choose to paint a airplane. Let's forget about the what if's and let talk about some real down to earth flying. Mine is sitting in the sun right now ready for another day of fun on skis. cyas :P :P :P :P :P [Rolling Eyes] [Rolling Eyes] [Wink] [Crying or Very sad] [Laughing] [Laughing] :D :D :D -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=165924#165924 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:33:02 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: rotax 912UL From: "dave" > (I think I was told the world > record cruise for a IV was 132mph, though that might have been top > speed.) Where did you get that info? I would bet that a faired IV with a 914 will see 140 to 150 mph + at over FL180 to the low FL200s. a IV with a 912 UL will see mid 120s or better at low altitude. I think Paul Seehafer's Amphib 912UL sees close to 110 to 120 WOT My little 582 IV cruises with big wheels in the low 90s and WOT 102 to 104 now. and a hellva alot of fun factor. Fun Factor is greater on skis with alot more accessible terrain now. :) -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=165926#165926 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:48:45 AM PST US From: KITFOXZ@aol.com Subject: Kitfox-List: Of Test Pilots And Light Paint Guys, Lurking among these recent posts, I have decided to NOT paint nor even Poly-tack the covering on my beauty. I am removing most structural adhesive in favor of scotch tape and very light bailing wire. Does any one of you have an extremely light weight "Experimental" decal I could buy? John P. Marzluf (John Z.) Columbus, Ohio Series V Outback (Out Back In The Garage) 20% Complete, Not Currently Building Do Not Archive **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:23:52 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Of Test Pilots And Light Paint John- I was thinking that if you took the normal "Experimental" decal, and cut horizontal strips out of the material...say 1/4" wide...you could probably cut the weight in half...a HUGE saving in weight, and the word would still be readable. And stand by....I'm currently working on a method of drilling lightening holes in bailing wire...**aluminum** bailing wire. Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/475+ hrs do not archive On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:46 AM, KITFOXZ@aol.com wrote: > Guys, > > Lurking among these recent posts, I have decided to NOT paint nor > even Poly-tack the covering on my beauty. I am removing most > structural adhesive in favor of scotch tape and very light bailing > wire. Does any one of you have an extremely light weight > "Experimental" decal I could buy? > > John P. Marzluf (John Z.) > Columbus, Ohio > Series V Outback (Out Back In The Garage) > 20% Complete, Not Currently Building > Do Not Archive > > > Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on > AOL Living. > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _- > www.matronics.com/contribution _- > =========================================================== ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:41:13 AM PST US From: KITFOXZ@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Of Test Pilots And Light Paint Great Scot Lynn!, Genius! As many have said before, this list is a wealth of Kitfox, indeed, aircraft construction knowledge! BTW, I just discovered that my fuselage frame weldment is built out of HOLLOW tubing! I'm now 1/2 finished! Even Wilber and Orville nit-picked their way to success you think? ; ^ ) --John In a message dated 2/24/2008 9:25:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, lynnmatt@jps.net writes: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson John- I was thinking that if you took the normal "Experimental" decal, and cut horizontal strips out of the material...say 1/4" wide...you could probably cut the weight in half...a HUGE saving in weight, and the word would still be readable. And stand by....I'm currently working on a method of drilling lightening holes in bailing wire...**aluminum** bailing wire. Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/475+ hrs do not archive On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:46 AM, KITFOXZ@aol.com wrote: > Guys, > > Lurking among these recent posts, I have decided to NOT paint nor > even Poly-tack the covering on my beauty. I am removing most > structural adhesive in favor of scotch tape and very light bailing > wire. Does any one of you have an extremely light weight > "Experimental" decal I could buy? > > John P. Marzluf (John Z.) > Columbus, Ohio > Series V Outback (Out Back In The Garage) > 20% Complete, Not Currently Building > Do Not Archive > > > Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on > AOL Living. > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _- > www.matronics.com/contribution _- > =========================================================== **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:29:01 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Weight Affected by Color of Plane From: "SkySteve" Hey guys, Sorry I asked. The original question was legit. So, go fly your planes, or at least, talk about doing it. -------- Steve Wilson Huntsville, UT Kitfox I-IV 85DD 912A / 3 Blade Warp Drive Convertable Nosewheel & Tailwheel Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=165942#165942 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:35:03 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Of Test Pilots And Light Paint From: "Tom Jones" you guys are playing with fire. do not archive -------- Tom Jones Classic IV, Phase one 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=165943#165943 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:38:59 AM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Of Test Pilots And Light Paint At 05:46 AM 2/24/2008, you wrote: >Lurking among these recent posts, I have decided to NOT paint nor >even Poly-tack the covering on my beauty. I am removing most >structural adhesive in favor of scotch tape and very light bailing >wire. Does any one of you have an extremely light weight >"Experimental" decal I could buy? LOL! I always wondered if you could do the entire plane in Monokote. Any model builders out there? Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. Do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:39:04 AM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: rotax 912UL At 05:30 AM 2/24/2008, you wrote: >Where did you get that info? From one of the owner's friends at last year's Desert Fox Fly-in. I'll follow up at this year's fly-in and report with more detail. (Shameless plug for the Desert Fox Fly-in.) >I would bet that a faired IV with a 914 will see 140 to 150 >mph + at over FL180 to the low FL200s. Now that's a novel idea. An IFR Kitfox with O2 in the flight levels. I dunno, sounds kinda wierd. But I suspect you're right about the true airspeed. >a IV with a 912 UL will see mid 120s or better at low altitude. Lowell used to cruise at 115 mph, if I recall. I don't know what his top speed was. I know when I travel with the 912 fleet, I'm only about 10 slower in cruise than they are, which puts them around 100 mph or so. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:22:24 AM PST US From: Michael Gibbs Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: rotax 912UL Guy sez: >Now that's a novel idea. An IFR Kitfox with O2 in the flight levels. >I dunno, sounds kinda wierd. But I suspect you're right about the >true airspeed. I threw the O2 bottle out of the Turbo Arrow in the back of my 912S-powered IV and took her up to 17,500 (density altitude 19,600) one day. She was still climbing 300 feet per minute (measured, not indicated) but leveled off she didn't really pick up much speed. Unfortunately, I never figured out what my TAS was on that adventure. At more reasonable altitudes she could hit 140 mph in level flight (full power) and high-speed cruise was between 125 and 130. I usually went a bit slower because it required about 5.5 gph to get those numbers. She was a speedster with clipped wings, wheel pants, gas cap fairings, streamlined horizontal stabilizer braces, lift strut fairings, the Safari-style cowling and every other drag-reducing device I could think of. She also had an Ivo medium in-flight adjustable prop and was pretty light (660 pounds empty). Mike G. N728KF Phoenix, AZ ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:28:26 AM PST US From: James Shumaker Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Of Test Pilots And Light Paint I am currently test flying one of our EAA chapter members newly built experimental. (Not a Kitfox but the same weight class.) During the painting process he had trouble getting the paint on smooth so he added a few coats extra to smooth it out. He used two part industrial paint from his work. The extra paint added over 70 # to the target weight. Performance was hampered as well as the useful load. A coat of white under a light color will still be brighter than a light color over poly spray alone. Probably be as light or lighter also. Jim Shumaker ----- Original Message ---- From: "KITFOXZ@aol.com" Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 5:46:03 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Of Test Pilots And Light Paint Guys, Lurking among these recent posts, I have decided to NOT paint nor even Poly-tack the covering on my beauty. I am removing most structural adhesive in favor of scotch tape and very light bailing wire. Does any one of you have an extremely light weight "Experimental" decal I could buy? John P. Marzluf (John Z.) Columbus, Ohio Series V Outback (Out Back In The Garage) 20% Complete, Not Currently Building Do Not Archive Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL Living. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:16:07 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Re: Kitfox-List: Apology One of the reasons that we have members who are over-sensitive to criticism is the fact that we have too much criticism going on. Nobody joined the list in order to have their views attacked. Can't we focus on positive and constructive criticism, rather than the little-girl "catty" attacks? We are all full grown men and don't value attacks on each others values. No one in the group is so stupid/lame/weak that he will change his values because Joe Blow thinks he's wrong. It's true that we have some "experts" in the group, but they must 'use their powers for good...not evil.' Let's focus on Kitfoxes, not on trying to rebuild each others values. It's too late for that. Those of us that are EVIL are already lost. DO NOT ARCHIVE John Sandt / Kitfox 7 / Ridgecrest, CA Under construction ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:45:22 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Of Test Pilots And Light Paint O & W probably argued over using just plain Scotch Tape, or fiber reinforced Scotch Tape...HEAVY...to hold the toothpicks together. Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/475+ hrs do not archive On Feb 24, 2008, at 10:38 AM, KITFOXZ@aol.com wrote: > Great Scot Lynn!, Genius! As many have said before, this list is a > wealth of Kitfox, indeed, aircraft construction knowledge! BTW, I > just discovered that my fuselage frame weldment is built out of > HOLLOW tubing! I'm now 1/2 finished! Even Wilber and Orville nit- > picked their way to success you think? ; ^ ) > > --John > > In a message dated 2/24/2008 9:25:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > lynnmatt@jps.net writes: > > John- > I was thinking that if you took the normal "Experimental" decal, and > cut horizontal strips out of the material...say 1/4" wide...you could > probably cut the weight in half...a HUGE saving in weight, and the > word would still be readable. And stand by....I'm currently working > on a method of drilling lightening holes in bailing > wire...**aluminum** bailing wire. > > Lynn Matteson > Grass Lake, Michigan > Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 > flying w/475+ hrs > do not archive > > > On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:46 AM, KITFOXZ@aol.com wrote: > > > Guys, > > > > Lurking among these recent posts, I have decided to NOT paint nor > > even Poly-tack the covering on my beauty. I am removing most > > structural adhesive in favor of scotch tape and very light bailing > > wire. Does any one of you have an extremely light weight > > "Experimental" decal I could buy? > > > > John P. Marzluf (John Z.) > > Columbus, Ohio > > Series V Outback (Out Back In The Garage) > > 20% Complete, Not Currently Building > > Do Not Archive > > > > > > > > Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on > > www.matronics.com/contribution _- > > ========================he es y --> - MATRONICS > WEB FORUMS nbsp; - List Contribution Web > Site ; ======================== > > > Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on > AOL Living. > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _- > www.matronics.com/contribution _- > =========================================================== ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:57:43 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Apology From: "akflyer" Guy Buchanan wrote: > All, > I received some criticism for my reply to Michel's post > about flying at Vne. In particular with regard to saying: > > "YOU ARE A TEST PILOT. (Michel, I admire your courage.)" > > I want everyone to know I was NOT chastising Michel in ANY > WAY. It was a poorly worded joke. I apologize for any hard feelings > or confusion. > > > Guy Buchanan > San Diego, CA > K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. > > Do not archive Guy you are one of the few that lets a little humor in.. Keep it that way. If someone gets uptight over a little comment like that, they need to find another place to hang out. Keep the place alive by showing we are humans not robots. As always, I have nothing constructive to add to the site so please. Do not archive -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE Leonard Perry Soldotna AK Avid "C" / Mk IV 582 IVO IFA Full Lotus 1260 95% complete Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=165981#165981 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:01:47 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Of Test Pilots And Light Paint From: "akflyer" Guy Buchanan wrote: > At 05:46 AM 2/24/2008, you wrote: > > > Lurking among these recent posts, I have decided to NOT paint nor > > even Poly-tack the covering on my beauty. I am removing most > > structural adhesive in favor of scotch tape and very light bailing > > wire. Does any one of you have an extremely light weight > > "Experimental" decal I could buy? > > > > > > LOL! I always wondered if you could do the entire plane in Monokote. > Any model builders out there? > > > Guy Buchanan > San Diego, CA > K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. > > Do not archive only built a couple hundred... I would lean towards super coverite, monokote gets too brittle in the cold. No nead to paint and rib stitching is optional if you use balsa rite. -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE Leonard Perry Soldotna AK Avid "C" / Mk IV 582 IVO IFA Full Lotus 1260 95% complete Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=165983#165983 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:08:19 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Of Test Pilots And Light Paint Yup! But my favorite covering was Ultracote, not Money-Cote (as my friends used to call it) The Ultracote seemed to stretch better in all directions, unlike the Monokote...that I tried at least...which seemed to stretch better in one direction than the other. My last plane to cover was a still-unfinished (guess why?) Top Flite Giant Scale Stinson Reliant SR- 9. Got everything built, and started to cover with Stits Lite cloth, and was having so much fun with this covering and shrinking deal that when it came time to do the 'fox, it was a natural segue. I was amazed at how the fabric made the 3- dimensional transition from the horizontal tail surface to the vertical fin surface on the model. The same thing happened when I did the same area on the Kitfox...that curve was pure sex! Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/475+ hrs do not archive On Feb 24, 2008, at 11:22 AM, Guy Buchanan wrote: > > At 05:46 AM 2/24/2008, you wrote: >> Lurking among these recent posts, I have decided to NOT paint nor >> even Poly-tack the covering on my beauty. I am removing most >> structural adhesive in favor of scotch tape and very light bailing >> wire. Does any one of you have an extremely light weight >> "Experimental" decal I could buy? > > LOL! I always wondered if you could do the entire plane in > Monokote. Any model builders out there? > > > Guy Buchanan > San Diego, CA > K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. > > Do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 01:36:02 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Of Test Pilots And Light Paint Do you remember Supershrink Coverite? It was a fabric that I covered a Top Flite Gold Edition P-40 with...over the balsa sheeting. They discontinued the Supershrink shortly after I finished that plane. I still have the plane. It was flown for me twice...I was too chicken- - - - to fly it myself at the time. It has a YS 120AC engine in it... 2.45 "supercharged" 4-stroke ponies in that bad boy....2-strokes suck!...in my humble opinion, of course. Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/475+ hrs do not archive On Feb 24, 2008, at 3:57 PM, akflyer wrote: > > > Guy Buchanan wrote: >> At 05:46 AM 2/24/2008, you wrote: >> >>> Lurking among these recent posts, I have decided to NOT paint nor >>> even Poly-tack the covering on my beauty. I am removing most >>> structural adhesive in favor of scotch tape and very light bailing >>> wire. Does any one of you have an extremely light weight >>> "Experimental" decal I could buy? >>> >>> >> >> LOL! I always wondered if you could do the entire plane in Monokote. >> Any model builders out there? >> >> >> Guy Buchanan >> San Diego, CA >> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. >> >> Do not archive > > > only built a couple hundred... I would lean towards super coverite, > monokote gets too brittle in the cold. No nead to paint and rib > stitching is optional if you use balsa rite. > > -------- > DO NOT ARCHIVE > Leonard Perry > Soldotna AK > Avid "C" / Mk IV > 582 IVO IFA > Full Lotus 1260 > 95% complete > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=165983#165983 > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:50:30 PM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Kitfox-List: Over the fjord Went flying in formation with a friend today. Not very far but we crossed the Oslo fjord and I took a short video: Here it is: http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/Fjorden.mov As you can see, no snow near the coast. It has been a very mild winter. Cheers, Michel Verheughe Norway Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 02:22:26 PM PST US From: Steve Shinabery Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Over the fjord Michel Verheughe wrote: > Went flying in formation with a friend today. Not very far but we crossed the Oslo fjord and I took a short video: Here it is: > http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/Fjorden.mov > > As you can see, no snow near the coast. It has been a very mild winter. > > Cheers, > Michel Verheughe > Norway > Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 > > > 

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> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Neat Video Michel...thanks Steve Shinabery N554KF, KF2, ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:26:50 PM PST US From: Mike Chaney Subject: Kitfox-List: enclosed trailers Every year I look back and evaluate what it cost to fly and every year I see that hanger rent makes up the largest percentage of my flying costs. So every year I think about building an enclosed trailer not so much for transporting my Kitfox but for storage at the airport. I usually give up on the idea after two or three weeks of thinking about it. However, has anyone on the list gone this route? I know there has been alot of talk about trailers but not so much about enclosed trailers. Mike Chaney --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:40:25 PM PST US From: Sbennett3@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: enclosed trailers Mike, I hear that you can expect corrosion issues if you keep it in an enclosed trailer. I have a friend that has one and he says I can use it, but that would only be for an off airport forced landing. Steve Bennett 4-912 North Carolina **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:19:26 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: enclosed trailers From: "vetdrem" I bought my kitfox because I winter in Florida, spring and fall are in Arkansas, and summer in Michigan and I needed a plane that I could take with me. My plane came on an open, flatbed trailer that would carry it down the road, but not provide much protection, I built a framework out of conduit, and covered it with a tarp that is designed for covering lumber on semis. It has worked great for about 2500 miles so far, and the plane has been "hangered" in it here in Florida for the last three months. It takes about five minutes to roll it out using the 12 volt winch that I installed. I haven't noticed any corrosion or other ill effects from leaving it in the trailer. Of course, it isn't air tight, and it isn't as secure as a rigid sided trailer would be, but has sure worked well for me. The airport charges $30 per month to leave the trailer in a tiedown spot, (beats $$$$ for hanger fees). I can probably take some pics if you are interested. Louie Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=166036#166036 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:24:01 PM PST US From: Steve Shinabery Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: enclosed trailers Mike Chaney wrote: > Every year I look back and evaluate what it cost to fly and every year > I see that hanger rent makes up the largest percentage of my flying > costs. So every year I think about building an enclosed trailer not > so much for transporting my Kitfox but for storage at the airport. > > I usually give up on the idea after two or three weeks of thinking > about it. However, has anyone on the list gone this route? I know > there has been alot of talk about trailers but not so much about > enclosed trailers. > > Mike Chaney > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > * > > > * > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > the thing with enclosed trailers is..That you have to watch how wide the back door opening is.I have a 24ft enclosed trailer.I would have to do alot of changing of the back door drop down.to get it to fit inside.but it would if do alot of changing to it to fit.and all so have to watch how tall the trailer is.even if you would change the rear door to fit .it would be a close fit trailer is 108 in wide,and KF is app 8ft wide wings folded.U would have app 6in on each side of wings in the trailer..real tight fit..but it has been done..you would need at least a 24ft-28ft trailer..Steve Shinabery N554KF KF2 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:08:11 PM PST US From: "jeff puls" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Over the fjord Mike, I go to the site and it gives me QuickTime downloads and the cost to install it? Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michel Verheughe" Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 4:47 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Over the fjord > Went flying in formation with a friend today. Not very far but we crossed > the Oslo fjord and I took a short video: Here it is: > http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/Fjorden.mov > > As you can see, no snow near the coast. It has been a very mild winter. > > Cheers, > Michel Verheughe > Norway > Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 > > > 

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________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 07:42:27 PM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: enclosed trailers At 05:23 PM 2/24/2008, you wrote: >I usually give up on the idea after two or three weeks of thinking >about it. However, has anyone on the list gone this route? I know >there has been alot of talk about trailers but not so much about >enclosed trailers. Here's where my Kitfox IV lives. Out West we call them "toy boxes" because they're made to haul dune buggies and the like. My Fox fits with 1/2" to spare either side of the wings. It takes me seven minutes to set up or tear down, but I designed for it. I pay for a tie down so if I can get two more Foxes and boxes I'll get my monthly down to $36. I highly recommend it. Oh, and I have no problems with condensation because the trailer walls are all vented out the bottom. Also I have a couple of solar fans in the roof, and a solar panel charger for my battery. The trailer cost $6600. (I didn't mind because it's very marketable used.) Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kitfox-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.