---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 02/26/08: 31 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:22 AM - Re: Over the fjord (dave) 2. 08:49 AM - Re: enclosed trailers (Guy Buchanan) 3. 08:57 AM - Websites (jlfernan) 4. 09:05 AM - Why the Jail Time? (Guy Buchanan) 5. 10:14 AM - Re: enclosed trailers (vetdrem) 6. 10:14 AM - Re: enclosed trailers (john beirne) 7. 10:26 AM - Re: Why the Jail Time? (Wahlquist, Dave) 8. 10:50 AM - Re: Websites (darinh) 9. 10:51 AM - Re: Why the Jail Time? (JohnW. Hart) 10. 10:56 AM - Re: Over the fjord (Michel Verheughe) 11. 11:07 AM - Re: Re: enclosed trailers (Marco Menezes) 12. 11:12 AM - Re: OT: Why the Jail Time? (Marco Menezes) 13. 11:43 AM - Re: Shortest STOL record ever? (Michel Verheughe) 14. 12:18 PM - Spinner (Rich L) 15. 01:16 PM - Re: OT: Wind turbine, WAS Shortest STOL record ever? (Marco Menezes) 16. 01:36 PM - Re: Spinner (Margaret Hastedt) 17. 01:47 PM - Re: OT: Wind turbine (Michel Verheughe) 18. 02:53 PM - Re: enclosed trailers (patrick reilly) 19. 03:07 PM - Re: Re: enclosed trailers (Steve Shinabery) 20. 03:18 PM - Re: Spinner (Roger McConnell) 21. 03:19 PM - Mod 3 landing gear rebuild (Pat Reilly) 22. 03:26 PM - Re: Over the fjord (Noel Loveys) 23. 03:33 PM - Re: Re: enclosed trailers (Noel Loveys) 24. 03:34 PM - Re: Shortest STOL record ever? (Noel Loveys) 25. 04:48 PM - Re: OT: Wind Turbine (John Alexander) 26. 06:55 PM - Re: Over the fjord (Steve Shinabery) 27. 07:40 PM - Re: enclosed trailers (jerry evans) 28. 08:50 PM - Re: Re: Websites (Guy Buchanan) 29. 08:50 PM - Re: Spinner (Guy Buchanan) 30. 08:50 PM - Re: Why the Jail Time? (Guy Buchanan) 31. 11:02 PM - trailer width (Steven Didier) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:22:48 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Over the fjord From: "dave" Great Clip Michel !! Always Enjoy seeing Kitfoxes in Action -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=166297#166297 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:49:15 AM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: enclosed trailers At 09:48 PM 2/25/2008, you wrote: >has the hand wench if needed to pull it in That's very cool, but does your wife know about her? :-D >cost was $1100 makes a great hanger for here in North Cal.still >needs carpet and paint Seriously Jerry, that's way better than mine, which cost $6600 to buy. What do you think yours weighs? I wonder, if you put plans together, and John found a fabricator, what it would cost to build and market? Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:57:40 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Websites From: "jlfernan" I had been building a Van's RV-9A. During the building process I found it extremely helpful to go to other people"s websites to see how they did certain things. I haven't had much luck finding Kitfox builder sites. Are they out there or I'm just looking in the wrong place? -------- Jorge Fernandez Supersport Waiting on delivery Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=166363#166363 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:05:29 AM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Kitfox-List: Why the Jail Time? All, Does anyone have any additional information on this verdict? http://www.aopa.org/aircraft/articles/2008/080221pilot.html I'd like to know why they jailed the pilot. Was it: 1. Because he gave rides as a private pilot? (Should have been a commercial pilot.) 2. Flew aerobatics without parachutes and/or at low altitudes? 3. Flew down the river at 50', hitting power lines? 4. Simply because he was responsible for killing someone, as in negligent homicide? No conjecture please, just facts. (I'm hoping some of the Wisconsin locals might have seen this and know about it.) Or if someone knows where we can look up lower court cases on-line. . . Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:14:14 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: enclosed trailers From: "vetdrem" here are a few pics of mine. I did the emt framework, and covered it with a truckers tarp. the nose is fiberglass that they cover motorhomes with. the tail wheel goes up a ramp, and the wing tips fit nicely into the nose of the trailer. Call me if you have any questions about hauling it. I've gone about 2500 miles so far, and had no issues. Louie (989)387-4662 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=166380#166380 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscf0193_166.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscf0192_201.jpg ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:14:16 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: enclosed trailers From: "john beirne" have had trailers on the back burner for a long time, was wondering where one could obtain plans for a trailer hanger. also i have heard of foxes being damaged by trailer suspensions being too solid. is this a consideration when trailering. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=166382#166382 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:26:52 AM PST US Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Why the Jail Time? From: "Wahlquist, Dave" Negligent homicide..... Here is a good link to the case. http://www.wisconsinrapidstribune.com/assets/pdf/U059422129.PDF -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:56 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Why the Jail Time? All, Does anyone have any additional information on this verdict? http://www.aopa.org/aircraft/articles/2008/080221pilot.html I'd like to know why they jailed the pilot. Was it: 1. Because he gave rides as a private pilot? (Should have been a commercial pilot.) 2. Flew aerobatics without parachutes and/or at low altitudes? 3. Flew down the river at 50', hitting power lines? 4. Simply because he was responsible for killing someone, as in negligent homicide? No conjecture please, just facts. (I'm hoping some of the Wisconsin locals might have seen this and know about it.) Or if someone knows where we can look up lower court cases on-line. . . Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:50:49 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Websites From: "darinh" jlfernan, There are not too many out there. But the list is great and you can get almost any question answered within a matter of hours (usually less than that) and nearly any of us will sent pictures of "how I did it" for specific questions. I have tried to document all of my building with pictures (like most of us have) but have not taken the time to put it all on a website...I would rather be building than typing. I think you are the one who recently purchased a Super Sport so when you run into a problem or question, it is very likely that a handful of us have had the same question and that it has been answered before on the list. The archives are sort of hit or miss on a search so if you don't find what you are looking for post the question and we will try to answer. I have attached a couple pics of my progress for some motivation for you. These are great little airplanes and the build, although completely different than building an RV, is every bit as satisfying (I've done both now). Do Not Archive -------- Darin Hawkes Series 7 (under Construction) 914 Turbo Kaysville, Utah Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=166394#166394 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscf2085_162.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscf2082_128.jpg ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:51:28 AM PST US From: "JohnW. Hart" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Why the Jail Time? The article doesn't state: 1. Whether he was charging folks for the rides. Commercial certificate is not required if he is not operating for compensation or hire. 2. Whether the resultant court action was in a municipal, state, or federal court, but the " negligent operation of a motor vehicle and disorderly conduct" charges are not something you will find in the FAR's. The term "motor vehicle" is usually used in municipal and state ordinances and laws, which in many states encompasses anything with an engine, electric or hydraulic motor, Careless and reckless operation of an aircraft is more like what would be in the FAR. 3. Whether any administrative action was taken against any Airman Certificate he held, which is usual for an FAA enforcement action, but not a municipal or state court. The following URL lists a summary of a case against an individual with the same name: http://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseDetails.do;jsessionid=25D792F41C2D69118D4630F36 484CA7A.render1?countyNo=71&caseNo 07CF000027&cacheId=9DF505C975A36051694A 487F490E0EF6&recordCount=8&offset=2&mode=charges It's along URL, so copy and pasting may be necessary. John Hart -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:56 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Why the Jail Time? All, Does anyone have any additional information on this verdict? http://www.aopa.org/aircraft/articles/2008/080221pilot.html I'd like to know why they jailed the pilot. Was it: 1. Because he gave rides as a private pilot? (Should have been a commercial pilot.) 2. Flew aerobatics without parachutes and/or at low altitudes? 3. Flew down the river at 50', hitting power lines? 4. Simply because he was responsible for killing someone, as in negligent homicide? No conjecture please, just facts. (I'm hoping some of the Wisconsin locals might have seen this and know about it.) Or if someone knows where we can look up lower court cases on-line. . . Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:56:37 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Over the fjord > From: Noel Loveys [noelloveys@yahoo.ca] > Amazing how much it looks like Newfoundland! Probably the reason why Leif Erikson friends decided to settle at L'Anse Aux Meadows, Noel. They thought: "Looks like home, smell like home ... let us be the first canucks!" :-) Cheers, Michel Verheughe Norway Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 Do not archive
________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:07:08 AM PST US From: Marco Menezes Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: enclosed trailers John: Don't know much about enclosed trailers but hard trailer suspensions are an issue whether open or enclosed. Most boat-type trailers from which our home-made trailers are typically constructed, are designed to carry much more than your Fox weighs. As a result, every bounce will be transmitted directly to the cargo rather than "absorbed" by the suspension. Double axles help some. As you probably know, the stock, Kitfox single-leaf steel tailspring was notoriously prone to failure under the best of conditions. With the wings folded, the load on this spring increases dramatically. So if you do nothing else, find a way to unload and limit the flexing of the tail spring during transport. john beirne wrote: have had trailers on the back burner for a long time, was wondering where one could obtain plans for a trailer hanger. also i have heard of foxes being damaged by trailer suspensions being too solid. is this a consideration when trailering. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=166382#166382 Marco Menezes Model 2 582 N99KX --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:12:42 AM PST US From: Marco Menezes Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: OT: Why the Jail Time? According to AOPA article, pilot pled to "negligent operation of a motor vehicle." Plea bargain likely resulted in a substantial reduction of the maximum possible sentence. do not archive "Wahlquist, Dave" wrote: Negligent homicide..... Here is a good link to the case. http://www.wisconsinrapidstribune.com/assets/pdf/U059422129.PDF -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:56 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Why the Jail Time? All, Does anyone have any additional information on this verdict? http://www.aopa.org/aircraft/articles/2008/080221pilot.html I'd like to know why they jailed the pilot. Was it: 1. Because he gave rides as a private pilot? (Should have been a commercial pilot.) 2. Flew aerobatics without parachutes and/or at low altitudes? 3. Flew down the river at 50', hitting power lines? 4. Simply because he was responsible for killing someone, as in negligent homicide? No conjecture please, just facts. (I'm hoping some of the Wisconsin locals might have seen this and know about it.) Or if someone knows where we can look up lower court cases on-line. . . Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. Marco Menezes Model 2 582 N99KX --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:43:27 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Shortest STOL record ever? "Tom Jones" wrote: > Michel, in the case of the wind generator the wind is turning the prop which is > facing into the wind. Think about it. Hum ... do you want me to think, Tom? :-) I guess, you're probably right ... if I compare to a helicopter rotor. John Alexander wrote: > I flew gyroplanes for some years, and similar things happen when a > rotorblade departs. We also have gyrocopters here, John. But - as far as I know - they all have a two-blades rotor in one piece. Difficult to see then a blade departing but ... I only look at them, I don't fly them nor know of their problems. Cheers, Michel Verheughe Norway Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 Do not archive
________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:18:57 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Spinner From: "Rich L" Can anybody recommend a good spinner that will fit the Rotax 912uls with a Powerfin F 3-bladed prop on a S-7? thanks to all Rich L Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=166418#166418 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:16:16 PM PST US From: Marco Menezes Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: OT: Wind turbine, WAS Shortest STOL record ever? Are we sure the prop on that machine was facing into the wind? Don't vane-less wind generators usually have the generator/gearbox nacelle on the up-wind side and the prop turning on the down wind side? That would make the break-up slightly more mysterious as blades would then tend to be pushed away from the tower structure. do not archive Michel Verheughe wrote: "Tom Jones" wrote: > Michel, in the case of the wind generator the wind is turning the prop which is > facing into the wind. Think about it. Hum ... do you want me to think, Tom? :-) I guess, you're probably right ... if I compare to a helicopter rotor. John Alexander wrote: > I flew gyroplanes for some years, and similar things happen when a > rotorblade departs. We also have gyrocopters here, John. But - as far as I know - they all have a two-blades rotor in one piece. Difficult to see then a blade departing but ... I only look at them, I don't fly them nor know of their problems. Cheers, Michel Verheughe Norway Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 Do not archive Marco Menezes Model 2 582 N99KX --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:36:59 PM PST US From: "Margaret Hastedt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Spinner I got my spinner from this site: http://www.uhsspinners.com/index.html I have the F-model Powerfin prop on my Classic IV. The spinner fit nearly perfectly at the get-go. The only thing I added were holes in the plate to check the torque on the blades without having to remove it. -Margaret H. Classic IV N3076U College Station, TX >>> "Rich L" 2/26/2008 2:16 PM >>> Can anybody recommend a good spinner that will fit the Rotax 912uls with a Powerfin F 3-bladed prop on a S-7? thanks to all Rich L Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=166418#166418 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:47:14 PM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: OT: Wind turbine > From: Marco Menezes [msm_9949@yahoo.com] > Are we sure the prop on that machine was facing into the wind? Norway doesn't have any wind turbines, Marco. We have plenty of hydro-energy from the waterfalls. But as soon as you cross the border to Sweden and even much more when you come to Denmark, north Germany and The Netherlands, they are everywhere and I really mean: everywhere! Even in the final approach line of airfields. All those I have seen (the actual accident happened in Denmark) have the rotor facing the wind. They don't have a wind vane to turn them mechanically, instead they have a tiny one that activated a step motor to turn them. What was also strange in the video is that the rotor was turning very, very fast. Probably way above what it was designed for. Usually, once they have enough wind, they turn at a constant speed. If the wind increases, so does the pitch and the produce more electricity. But, from all my days of flying and sailing in those regions; they are either stopped, or moving at a constant speed. I even remember being in Scheveningen, in the Netherlands, harboring a storm in the harbour and looking at the wind turbine at the entrance of it. It turned quite slowly. Cheers, Michel Verheughe Norway Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 Do not archive
________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:53:04 PM PST US From: patrick reilly Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: enclosed trailers Jerry, What is max trailer width allowed in CA? It is 8' here in IL. You s tated your trailer is 8'-6" wide. Do not archieve Pat Reilly Mod 3 Rebuild Rockford, IL Kitfox-List: enclosed trailersTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comThese are some p ics of my trailer built from a tandem boat trailer it's 8'6" wide 22' long made from EMT welded together with sheet metal has the hand wench if needed to pull it in cost was $1100 makes a great hanger for here in North Cal.s till needs carpet and paint Jerry Evans 96% done 582 Magalia Calif. N582'er' kitfox 555 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:07:48 PM PST US From: Steve Shinabery Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: enclosed trailers vetdrem wrote: > > here are a few pics of mine. I did the emt framework, and covered it with a truckers tarp. the nose is fiberglass that they cover motorhomes with. the tail wheel goes up a ramp, and the wing tips fit nicely into the nose of the trailer. > > Call me if you have any questions about hauling it. I've gone about 2500 miles so far, and had no issues. > > Louie (989)387-4662 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=166380#166380 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscf0193_166.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscf0192_201.jpg > > > Very nice job,,looks good.. good idea,,How do you get the KF up in to it?? Steve Shinabery N554KF ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:18:27 PM PST US From: "Roger McConnell" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Spinner I got mine from John McBean. http://www.kitfoxaircraft.com/ Roger McConnell, Duncan, OK Model 7 Trigear, Rotax 912uls Flying sense Jan. 06 -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rich L Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:16 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Spinner Can anybody recommend a good spinner that will fit the Rotax 912uls with a Powerfin F 3-bladed prop on a S-7? thanks to all Rich L Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=166418#166418 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:19:18 PM PST US From: "Pat Reilly" Subject: Kitfox-List: Mod 3 landing gear rebuild Kitfoxers, OK, I give up. I bought a damaged Mod 3. The landing gear was knocked out from under it while on a trailer by a car. Included in the purchase was a set of new landing gear struts. Wired to the struts are 2 tee pipes. They are 3" tall with a 3/4" cross piece welded on top. They are made from 3/8" dia. steel tubing. The top cross piece is 9/16" ID with a 5/32" ID at one end. What are they used for? Pat Reilly Mod 3 Rebuild Rockford, IL ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:26:42 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Over the fjord Michel: This picture was taken from the air about a mile away from my home. All the land you see here are islands although often it is hard to tell where the mainland ends and the island starts This si about 200mi form L'Anse Aux meadows the way the Seagull flies. ndb.jpg -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel Verheughe Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 3:24 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Over the fjord > From: Noel Loveys [noelloveys@yahoo.ca] > Amazing how much it looks like Newfoundland! Probably the reason why Leif Erikson friends decided to settle at L'Anse Aux Meadows, Noel. They thought: "Looks like home, smell like home ... let us be the first canucks!" :-) Cheers, Michel Verheughe Norway Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 Do not archive ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:33:55 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: enclosed trailers You could also carry a little ballast to soften the ride.... Lots cheaper. Noel From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marco Menezes Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 3:35 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: enclosed trailers John: Don't know much about enclosed trailers but hard trailer suspensions are an issue whether open or enclosed. Most boat-type trailers from which our home-made trailers are typically constructed, are designed to carry much more than your Fox weighs. As a result, every bounce will be transmitted directly to the cargo rather than "absorbed" by the suspension. Double axles help some. As you probably know, the stock, Kitfox single-leaf steel tailspring was notoriously prone to failure under the best of conditions. With the wings folded, the load on this spring increases dramatically. So if you do nothing else, find a way to unload and limit the flexing of the tail spring during transport. john beirne wrote: _____ Be a better friend, newshound, and ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 03:34:02 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Shortest STOL record ever? Michel: I think waht john was getting at is on a gyro the high pressure area is under the rotor... the same side as the axel that carries it. On the generator the high pressure is opposite the axel which would make the cone effect to occur toward the axel or into the support. Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel Verheughe Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 4:10 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Shortest STOL record ever? "Tom Jones" wrote: > Michel, in the case of the wind generator the wind is turning the prop which is > facing into the wind. Think about it. Hum ... do you want me to think, Tom? :-) I guess, you're probably right ... if I compare to a helicopter rotor. John Alexander wrote: > I flew gyroplanes for some years, and similar things happen when a > rotorblade departs. We also have gyrocopters here, John. But - as far as I know - they all have a two-blades rotor in one piece. Difficult to see then a blade departing but .... I only look at them, I don't fly them nor know of their problems. Cheers, Michel Verheughe Norway Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 Do not archive 


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________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 04:48:28 PM PST US From: John Alexander Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: OT: Wind Turbine Actually what I was getting at was that the turbine reacted according to the laws governing a gyroscope - that is, a gyro will react 90 degrees to the force applied to it. The departing blade left an imbalance which tried to turn the turbine. The 90 degree rule dictated (in this case) that that action should express by nodding down and the blade whacked the pylon. This is something we get ground into us in gyro training. When you tilt the rotor back to flair to land, the gyro will tend to tip left or right, depending on the rotation. This is pronounced in larger gyros. Likewise (with mine), left stick would induce a forward pitch. You learn to deal with it. With the turbine in question, the force of the wind on the blades is negligible compared to the outward centrifugal forces from the rotation of the blades. There will have been very little coning effect due to the induced rigidity of the rotor disk. The first blade simply failed mechanically as will any blade if you spin it fast enough. From there, the dynamic imbalance created pure havoc in a very short period of time. The important lesson there is that all rotating parts should be in excellent balance. The weight of smashed bugs were enough to induce significant stick-shake on my gyro with a 25 foot rotor and it only spun at 350 rpm. The weight of a 1cm square of duct tape at the tip of a prop will induce a lot of vibration. Vibration robs performance, shortens engine and airframe life, and fatigues the pilot. I'm still in awe of the Carbon Cub, though. John Alexander Noel Loveys wrote: > > Michel: > > I think waht john was getting at is on a gyro the high pressure area is > under the rotor... the same side as the axel that carries it. On the > generator the high pressure is opposite the axel which would make the cone > effect to occur toward the axel or into the support. > > > Noel > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel > Verheughe > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 4:10 PM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Shortest STOL record ever? > > "Tom Jones" wrote: > >> Michel, in the case of the wind generator the wind is turning the prop >> > which is > >> facing into the wind. Think about it. >> > > Hum ... do you want me to think, Tom? :-) I guess, you're probably right ... > if I compare to a helicopter rotor. > > John Alexander wrote: > >> I flew gyroplanes for some years, and similar things happen when a >> rotorblade departs. >> > > We also have gyrocopters here, John. But - as far as I know - they all have > a two-blades rotor in one piece. Difficult to see then a blade departing but > .... I only look at them, I don't fly them nor know of their problems. > > Cheers, > Michel Verheughe > Norway > Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 > Do not archive > > > 

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> > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:55:11 PM PST US From: Steve Shinabery Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Over the fjord Noel Loveys wrote: > > Michel: > > This picture was taken from the air about a mile away from my home. > All the land you see here are islands although often it is hard to > tell where the mainland ends and the island starts This si about 200mi > form LAnse Aux meadows the way the _Seagull_ flies. > > ndb.jpg > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel > Verheughe > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 3:24 PM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Over the fjord > > > From: Noel Loveys [noelloveys@yahoo.ca] > > > Amazing how much it looks like Newfoundland! > > Probably the reason why Leif Erikson friends decided to settle at > L'Anse Aux Meadows, Noel. They thought: "Looks like home, smell like > home ... let us be the first canucks!" :-) > > Cheers, > > Michel Verheughe > > Norway > > Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 > > Do not archive > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > WOW allsome...not like here in ohio.it is cold and snow covered here and snowing..Steve Shinabery N554KF ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 07:40:27 PM PST US From: jerry evans Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: enclosed trailers Pat that is the limit here 8'6" according to the CHP patrick reilly wrote: .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } Jerry, What is max trailer width allowed in CA? It is 8' here in IL. You stated your trailer is 8'-6" wide. Do not archieve Pat Reilly Mod 3 Rebuild Rockford, IL --------------------------------- Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:48:17 -0800 From: kitfox555@sbcglobal.net Subject: Kitfox-List: enclosed trailers These are some pics of my trailer built from a tandem boat trailer it's 8'6" wide 22' long made from EMT welded together with sheet metal has the hand wench if needed to pull it in cost was $1100 makes a great hanger for here in North Cal.still needs carpet and paint Jerry Evans 96% done 582 Magalia Calif. N582'er' kitfox 555 Jerry Evans 96% done 582 Magalia Calif. N582'er' kitfox 555 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 08:50:24 PM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Websites At 10:47 AM 2/26/2008, you wrote: >I have attached a couple pics of my progress for some motivation for >you. These are great little airplanes and the build, although >completely different than building an RV, is every bit as satisfying >(I've done both now). The whole plane looks great, but I'm really drooling over the seats. Did you make them? Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 08:50:24 PM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Spinner At 12:16 PM 2/26/2008, you wrote: >Can anybody recommend a good spinner that will fit the Rotax 912uls >with a Powerfin F 3-bladed prop on a S-7? The UHS fiberglass spinners from ACS are "pretty good". I'm using the 10" on my 3-blade Warp. The only thing I recommend is that you do your own cut-outs, if you have any skill at all. The ones UHS did were seriously agricultural. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 08:50:24 PM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Why the Jail Time? At 10:22 AM 2/26/2008, you wrote: >Negligent homicide..... > >Here is a good link to the case. Man, isn't this list awesome! Ask a difficult question and get great answers! This is what I was looking for, a presumption of negligence when flying at 50'. It is interesting that neither the ASI nor the CFI know the proper altitude regulation that requires that you fly high enough to land safely if the engine quits. (91.119a) It's also interesting that 91.119c specifically exempts staying 500' above "open water". Don't know if the river he was over was "open water". He certainly wasn't 500' over the power line "structure", if that's what you call it, though of course he didn't know it was there. Why am I interested? Because that kind of flying is what Kitfoxes do best. If it carries a presumption of negligence then it just got a lot more dangerous, (for the pilot.) "Her opinion was that he flew in violation of 91.119 of the US FAR 91.16, which is entitled Minimum Safe Altitudes that requires an altitude of 500 feet about the surface over congested areas. This would include that an aircraft should not be operated closer than 500 feet between a person, vessel, vehicle or structure. She further believes that his piloting was in violation of FAR 91.13 entitled Careless or Reckless Operation of an Aircraft. ASI Kruegers opinion was that Strub was negligent in the piloting of the airplane over the River flying at altitudes somewhere in the area of 50 feet above the water. ASI Krueger states that all pilots are required to fly at higher altitude so that if there is a problem with the aircraft, the pilot can attempt to safely land. The distances off the ground that Strub was piloting his plane would clearly not allow him to recover from any engine problem. 6. On August 2, 2005, Gregory Gorak, a pilot with 38 years of piloting experience, certified as a professional flight instructor holding several other professional certifications, stated to Inv. Gosh that he had an opportunity to read a copy of the accident investigation involving the crash. In his opinion, this was clear error on the part of the pilot in being careless and reckless in the operation of his aircraft since there would no time for any safe landing when you operate an aircraft between 30 to 40 feet above the water, other than possibly a seaplane. Gorak is aware of the regulations as to how many feet above water you must safely operate and that indicated that no prudent pilot would operate in such a manner as the defendant did. He stated it was simply an accident waiting to happen." Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 11:02:10 PM PST US From: Steven Didier Subject: Kitfox-List: trailer width 8'6" is the legal over the road max width for all vehicles/trailers nation wide. Unless you have an oversize permit with pilot and follow me rigs! my 2 cents from a lurker and future owner! 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