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1. 03:43 AM - Great Lakes Area-Kitfox Fly In (steve shinabery)
2. 03:57 AM - Re: Remote Compass Module Location (Bob Jones)
3. 05:38 AM - Re: Painting PVC Struts (Glenn Horne)
4. 07:26 AM - Re: Painting PVC Struts (Paul Morel)
5. 07:42 AM - Re: Painting PVC Struts (patrick reilly)
6. 07:49 AM - Re: Painting PVC Struts (patrick reilly)
7. 07:54 AM - Re: Painting PVC Struts (Clint Bazzill)
8. 08:14 AM - Re: Painting PVC Struts (Clint Bazzill)
9. 08:22 AM - Re: Painting PVC Struts (Lynn Matteson)
10. 08:23 AM - Re: Painting PVC Struts (Lynn Matteson)
11. 10:09 AM - Re: OT: Why the Jail Time? (n85ae)
12. 11:22 AM - Re: Painting PVC Struts (John Alexander)
13. 12:55 PM - Re: Painting PVC Struts (Lynn Matteson)
14. 04:23 PM - Re: Re: OT: Why the Jail Time? (Noel Loveys)
15. 09:42 PM - Re: Painting PVC Struts (wadegreaves)
16. 11:03 PM - Official Kitfox-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
17. 11:04 PM - Official Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Great Lakes Area-Kitfox Fly In |
Dont forgett ::the Great Lakes Area-Kitfox Fly In////when:Sunday,May
11th,2008,at 12:00 noon [12:00EST 17:00GMT]///where::Lake Field Airport
[CQA] Celina Ohio///we will have lunch.FREE to all Kitfox Pilots flying
there Kfs in.After lunch..BOMB Drop+SPOT Landing Contest..we are located
in west central Oh.on the south west corner of Grand Lake St.Marys.The
largest Lake in Ohio.there is a State sea plane landing area on the
north side of lake.but no access to CQA.the only state aproved float
plane landing area in the State of Ohio.we have a web site that we tell
you all to know about CQA.go to LakeField Airport,Celina Ohio,if you do
not have a Kitfox fly in what you have.all aircraft welcome.we are
having a BBQ for lunch.. ,,, Bring tie downs,,,HOPE to See You All
There,,,,home base to Steve Shinabery N554KF KF2 582 rotax for
now.. [ See Attachment ]
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| Subject: | Re: Remote Compass Module Location |
My Dynon's remote compass module is on an aluminum plate attached to the
tubular steele behind the baggage area. The plate is on a plane parallel
to the plane the Dynon is on. The wiring plug for the remote faces
forward as called for in the install manual. Mounting hardware is
stainless or aluminum. It seems to work OK even though the remote unit
is within several inches of fuselage tubing and despite magnetic fields
strong enough to render the dash mounted Wiskey compass useless.
do not archive
BJ
N154K
443-480-1023
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From: RFor785099@aol.com
To: Kitfox-List@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 9:22 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Remote Compass Module Location
My Kitfox 5 is ready for the Dynon FlightDEK D180 to be installed.
Anyone have any information on the best place to install the Remote
Compass Module. I don't want to renvent
the wheel.
Bob Forrest
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| Subject: | Re: Painting PVC Struts |
Sand, apply some Bulldog on it, prime and paint.
Kitfox Model II
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From: "wadegreaves" <reinagreaves@comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 12:57 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Painting PVC Struts
> <reinagreaves@comcast.net>
>
> Any input on the best way to paint the PVC strut covers?
> Will polytone adhere or do I need to prime it up with epoxy primer?
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=167061#167061
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| Subject: | Re: Painting PVC Struts |
You really don't want to paint the PVC struts without covering them first
with fabric.
----- Original Message -----
From: "wadegreaves" <reinagreaves@comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 12:57 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Painting PVC Struts
> <reinagreaves@comcast.net>
>
> Any input on the best way to paint the PVC strut covers?
> Will polytone adhere or do I need to prime it up with epoxy primer?
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=167061#167061
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| Subject: | Painting PVC Struts |
Lynn, What about priming PVC with a 2 part epoxy primer before painting wit
h polytone?
Do not archieve
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 Rebuild
Rockford, IL> From: lynnmatt@jps.net> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Painting PV
C Struts> Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 01:18:07 -0500> To: kitfox-list@matronics.c
> I covered mine with fabric and painted with Poly-tone. If you don't > cov
er with fabric, you should use Polyfiber enamel, if you stay in > the Polyf
iber line of products. Poly-tone should not be used over > plastic/PVC.> >
Lynn Matteson> Grass Lake, Michigan> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200> fly
ing w/475+ hrs> > > > On Mar 1, 2008, at 12:57 AM, wadegreaves wrote:> > >
net>> >> > Any input on the best way to paint the PVC strut covers?> > Will
polytone adhere or do I need to prime it up with epoxy primer?> >> > Thank
s!> >> >> >> >> > Read this topic online here:> >> > http://forums.matronic
========================> >
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| Subject: | Painting PVC Struts |
Lynn, How did you attach fabric to PVC? All of the Poly Fibre products Tak
, Brush & Tone are MEK based. Wouldn't any of those attack the PVC?
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 Rebuild
Rockford, IL > From: lynnmatt@jps.net> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Painting P
VC Struts> Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 01:18:07 -0500> To: kitfox-list@matronics.
> I covered mine with fabric and painted with Poly-tone. If you don't > co
ver with fabric, you should use Polyfiber enamel, if you stay in > the Poly
fiber line of products. Poly-tone should not be used over > plastic/PVC.> >
Lynn Matteson> Grass Lake, Michigan> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200> fl
ying w/475+ hrs> > > > On Mar 1, 2008, at 12:57 AM, wadegreaves wrote:> > >
.net>> >> > Any input on the best way to paint the PVC strut covers?> > Wil
l polytone adhere or do I need to prime it up with epoxy primer?> >> > Than
ks!> >> >> >> >> > Read this topic online here:> >> > http://forums.matroni
cs.com/viewtopic.php?p=167061#167061> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > _
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| Subject: | Painting PVC Struts |
Why. A big waste of time. Clint> From: pmorel@bellsouth.net> To: kitfox-l
ist@matronics.com> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Painting PVC Struts> Date: Sat
el" <pmorel@bellsouth.net>> > You really don't want to paint the PVC struts
without covering them first > with fabric.> > ----- Original Message -----
> From: "wadegreaves" <reinagreaves@comcast.net>> To: <kitfox-list@matroni
cs.com>> Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 12:57 AM> Subject: Kitfox-List: Pai
> <reinagreaves@comcast.net>> >> > Any input on the best way to paint the P
VC strut covers?> > Will polytone adhere or do I need to prime it up with e
poxy primer?> >> > Thanks!> >> >> >> >> > Read this topic online here:> >>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=167061#167061> >> >> >> >>
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| Subject: | Painting PVC Struts |
The best way to paint PVC and fiberglass is to use 2 part epoxy chromate pr
imer and while it is still wet paint the polytone paint. It works great, 1
300 hours to prove it. Clint
From: patreilly43@hotmail.comTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Kitf
ox-List: Painting PVC StrutsDate: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 15:22:28 +0000
Lynn, What about priming PVC with a 2 part epoxy primer before painting wit
h polytone?Do not archieve Pat ReillyMod 3 RebuildRockford, IL> From: lynnm
att@jps.net> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Painting PVC Struts> Date: Sat, 1 Ma
r 2008 01:18:07 -0500> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> > --> Kitfox-List mes
sage posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>> > I covered mine with fab
ric and painted with Poly-tone. If you don't > cover with fabric, you shoul
d use Polyfiber enamel, if you stay in > the Polyfiber line of products. Po
ly-tone should not be used over > plastic/PVC.> > Lynn Matteson> Grass Lake
, Michigan> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200> flying w/475+ hrs> > > > On
Mar 1, 2008, at 12:57 AM, wadegreaves wrote:> > > --> Kitfox-List message p
osted by: "wadegreaves" > > <reinagreaves@comcast.net>> >> > Any input on t
he best way to paint the PVC strut covers?> > Will polytone adhere or do I
need to prime it up with epoxy primer?> >> > Thanks!> >> >> >> >> > Read th
is topic online here:> >> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=1
67061#167061> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >=========> > >
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| Subject: | Re: Painting PVC Struts |
They say Polytone just isn't to be used on a hard surface, but there
is a way to do it, as told to me by Jim Miller the Poly rep in
Columbus, Ohio. You prime with Poly's 2-part epoxy primer, and when
still tacky, shoot with your Poly-tone color. I had to do this when I
installed my flaperon hinges onto the wings. Once the hinges are
treated this way, you can rivet them on, and then shoot the whole
wing with the Poly-tone finish color.
So in your case, I'd shoot with the Polyfiber 2-part epoxy primer,
and while still tacky, shoot with the polytone, but I'd be sure and
use all Polyfiber products if going this route.
But I'd much rather cover with fabric and go the Polyfiber route all
the way. I even covered the strut fairing with fabric, where the
tubes come together.
Call me anal, but I'd rather read the instructions and follow them,
as they probably know best. Yeah, they probably make some sales this
way, but the method is proven.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/475+ hrs
On Mar 1, 2008, at 10:22 AM, patrick reilly wrote:
> Lynn, What about priming PVC with a 2 part epoxy primer before
> painting with polytone?
> Do not archieve
>
> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 Rebuild
> Rockford, IL
>
> > From: lynnmatt@jps.net
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Painting PVC Struts
> > Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 01:18:07 -0500
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >
> >
> > I covered mine with fabric and painted with Poly-tone. If you don't
> > cover with fabric, you should use Polyfiber enamel, if you stay in
> > the Polyfiber line of products. Poly-tone should not be used over
> > plastic/PVC.
> >
> > Lynn Matteson
> > Grass Lake, Michigan
> > Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
> > flying w/475+ hrs
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mar 1, 2008, at 12:57 AM, wadegreaves wrote:
> >
> > > <reinagreaves@comcast.net>
> > >
> > > Any input on the best way to paint the PVC strut covers?
> > > Will polytone adhere or do I need to prime it up with epoxy
> primer?
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Read this topic online here:
> > >
> > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=167061#167061
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Painting PVC Struts |
Nope, no attack. Apparently the polytak dries so quickly that it
doesn't dissolve the PVC...worked for me. And once the fabric is on,
and covered with 'brush, nothing seeps through the fabric to get to
the PVC. You might try dipping a little piece of PVC into the 'tak
and see, but in actual application, the PVC isn't subjected to the
really wet 'tak for very long.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/475+ hrs
On Mar 1, 2008, at 10:26 AM, patrick reilly wrote:
> Lynn, How did you attach fabric to PVC? All of the Poly Fibre
> products Tak, Brush & Tone are MEK based. Wouldn't any of those
> attack the PVC?
>
> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 Rebuild
> Rockford, IL
>
> > From: lynnmatt@jps.net
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Painting PVC Struts
> > Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 01:18:07 -0500
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >
> >
> > I covered mine with fabric and painted with Poly-tone. If you don't
> > cover with fabric, you should use Polyfiber enamel, if you stay in
> > the Polyfiber line of products. Poly-tone should not be used over
> > plastic/PVC.
> >
> > Lynn Matteson
> > Grass Lake, Michigan
> > Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
> > flying w/475+ hrs
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mar 1, 2008, at 12:57 AM, wadegreaves wrote:
> >
> > > <reinagreaves@comcast.net>
> > >
> > > Any input on the best way to paint the PVC strut covers?
> > > Will polytone adhere or do I need to prime it up with epoxy
> primer?
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Read this topic online here:
> > >
> > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=167061#167061
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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| Subject: | Re: OT: Why the Jail Time? |
People simply don't want to think the way the courts, and the legal system do.
It seems like it's wish full thinking to me that they don't.
You do something, operating outside the regulated scope of an activity
and have an accident that kills somebody. You will be in a world of
cut and dry. The jury will be faced with a choice based on what the judge
instructs the jury with. It will be something like: "Your decision, is
not whether you think Mr. Smith "intended" to operate outside the
regulations, but based on the fact's stated here, whether Mr. Smith
did in fact operate outside the regulations".
You will then vote, yes or no.
It will be cut and dry like that from start to finish, as the prosecutor matches
the facts of the incident, against the applicable laws.
If you don't believe, then serve on a jury some time.
Regards,
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Painting PVC Struts |
A number of years ago when I built a Challenger II, I painted all the
metal, fiberglass, and PVC parts just that way. Shoot 2-part epoxy
primer and then the polytone while the epoxy was still tacky.
You have to then be patient, because the epoxy seems to take a long time
(more than a week) to fully set up. During the setup, the polytone is
very soft and subject to scratching. The results were well worth the
effort though. The polytone bonded nicely with the epoxy and resulted
in a very durable finish that exactly matched the fabric. I never had
any flaking or other problems with the polytone lifting off the epoxy.
I'll be using that method when I start on my Kitfox.
John Alexander
Woodland, CA
Lynn Matteson wrote:
>
> They say Polytone just isn't to be used on a hard surface, but there
> is a way to do it, as told to me by Jim Miller the Poly rep in
> Columbus, Ohio. You prime with Poly's 2-part epoxy primer, and when
> still tacky, shoot with your Poly-tone color. I had to do this when I
> installed my flaperon hinges onto the wings. Once the hinges are
> treated this way, you can rivet them on, and then shoot the whole wing
> with the Poly-tone finish color.
> So in your case, I'd shoot with the Polyfiber 2-part epoxy primer, and
> while still tacky, shoot with the polytone, but I'd be sure and use
> all Polyfiber products if going this route.
>
> But I'd much rather cover with fabric and go the Polyfiber route all
> the way. I even covered the strut fairing with fabric, where the tubes
> come together.
> Call me anal, but I'd rather read the instructions and follow them, as
> they probably know best. Yeah, they probably make some sales this way,
> but the method is proven.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Grass Lake, Michigan
> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
> flying w/475+ hrs
>
> On Mar 1, 2008, at 10:22 AM, patrick reilly wrote:
>
>> Lynn, What about priming PVC with a 2 part epoxy primer before
>> painting with polytone?
>> Do not archieve
>>
>> Pat Reilly
>> Mod 3 Rebuild
>> Rockford, IL
>>
>> > From: lynnmatt@jps.net
>> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Painting PVC Struts
>> > Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 01:18:07 -0500
>> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> >
>> >
>> > I covered mine with fabric and painted with Poly-tone. If you don't
>> > cover with fabric, you should use Polyfiber enamel, if you stay in
>> > the Polyfiber line of products. Poly-tone should not be used over
>> > plastic/PVC.
>> >
>> > Lynn Matteson
>> > Grass Lake, Michigan
>> > Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
>> > flying w/475+ hrs
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mar 1, 2008, at 12:57 AM, wadegreaves wrote:
>> >
>> > > <reinagreaves@comcast.net>
>> > >
>> > > Any input on the best way to paint the PVC strut covers?
>> > > Will polytone adhere or do I need to prime it up with epoxy primer?
>> > >
>> > > Thanks!
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Read this topic online here:
>> > >
>> > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=167061#167061
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >========
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Painting PVC Struts |
Good idea, John. It kills me to have to soak the epoxy primer for 7
days at 70, but that's what they recommend, and I followed it to the
letter. Good thing I was painting mostly in the summer, but I moved
the painted stuff into the smaller, warmer shop for the long heat
soak period in the cooler months.
By the way, John, I lived for almost 22 years in Davis, Dixon and
Esparto, CA, all near Woodland, leaving in 2001. I learned to fly RC
models at the Woodland/Davis field...on Pole Line Rd/ Rd 101, was it?
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/475+ hrs
do not archive
On Mar 1, 2008, at 1:56 PM, John Alexander wrote:
> <alexandj@preachain.org>
>
> A number of years ago when I built a Challenger II, I painted all
> the metal, fiberglass, and PVC parts just that way. Shoot 2-part
> epoxy primer and then the polytone while the epoxy was still tacky.
>
> You have to then be patient, because the epoxy seems to take a long
> time (more than a week) to fully set up. During the setup, the
> polytone is very soft and subject to scratching. The results were
> well worth the effort though. The polytone bonded nicely with the
> epoxy and resulted in a very durable finish that exactly matched
> the fabric. I never had any flaking or other problems with the
> polytone lifting off the epoxy.
>
> I'll be using that method when I start on my Kitfox.
>
> John Alexander
> Woodland, CA
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| Subject: | Re: OT: Why the Jail Time? |
Sounds pretty one sided.... Isn't that the idea for having a lawyer
representing you. In court there are rules, Only god judges and lawyers
know what they are so when this sort of thing happens you have to depend on
your defence. If you happen to get the worst over worked, under paid legal
aid lawyer in the world then you are going to the big house.
I had an uncle who was a Justice of the Supreme Court of Newfoundland. We
discussed similar items on several occasions. Each time the realization the
law has absolutely nothing to do with being right or just. Let's face it
O.J. got off. I'm not so sure it was his legal team or the DA bungling the
whole case. Probably a combination of the two.... Then again... He may
have been innocent.
Noel
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of n85ae
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 2:37 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: OT: Why the Jail Time?
People simply don't want to think the way the courts, and the legal system
do. It seems like it's wish full thinking to me that they don't.
You do something, operating outside the regulated scope of an activity
and have an accident that kills somebody. You will be in a world of
cut and dry. The jury will be faced with a choice based on what the judge
instructs the jury with. It will be something like: "Your decision, is
not whether you think Mr. Smith "intended" to operate outside the
regulations, but based on the fact's stated here, whether Mr. Smith
did in fact operate outside the regulations".
You will then vote, yes or no.
It will be cut and dry like that from start to finish, as the prosecutor
matches the facts of the incident, against the applicable laws.
If you don't believe, then serve on a jury some time.
Regards,
Jeff
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Painting PVC Struts |
Thanks for the input! I think I'll try scuffing it, nailing it with 2 part, then
spritzing it with polytone. The drying time will force me to work on other
things!!!
S7 coming along. All covered and painted (I know, I know, there are always things
that need to be painted still...) and it looks great. Used Brian Sorensen's
Bearhawk's secret green recipe (from cover of Sport Aviation a few months back)
and put on the quasi-military markings. Have my father's old P-3 squadron
insignia on the tail (Neptune's Trident). It looks "NASTY"....Lotsa fun!.
Thanks again!
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| Subject: | Official Kitfox-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Kitfox-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The
complete Kitfox-List FAQ including the Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kitfox-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
[ Note: This FAQ was designed to be displayed with a fixed width font such as
Courier. Proportional fonts will cause display formatting errors. ]
This FAQ can also be viewed in HTML online at the following address:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm
************************************************************
******* LIST POLICIES AND FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS *******
************************************************************
PLEASE READ. This document contains Kitfox-List policies and information
for new and old subscribers. Understanding the Kitfox-List policies will
minimize problems for the Administrator, and will help keep the Kitfox-List
running smoothly for all of us.
******************************************
*** Quick Start Guide to List Features ***
******************************************
There are many features available on the Matronics Email Lists and each
one is described in detailed below. However, using the List Navigator
you can quickly access the complete set of features available for this
List. The List Navigator can be found at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
****************************************
*** How to Subscribe and Unsubscribe ***
****************************************
Simply go to the Web Page shown below and enter your email address and
select the List(s) that you wish to subscribe or unsubscribed from. You
may also use the handy "Find" function to determine the exact syntax of
your email address as it is subscribed to the List. Please see the
complete instructions at the top of the Web Page for more information.
The Subscribe/Unsubscribe web page is:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you will receive TWO conformation emails regarding your subsciption
process. The first verifies that your subscription/unsubsciption request
was received, and the second confirms that the process has been completed.
You should receive the first email within a few minutes of your request.
The second conformation will arrive in less than 24 hours. You cannot post
until you receive the second conformation email message.
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*** How to Post a Message ***
*****************************
Send an email message to:
kitfox-list@matronics.com
Your message will be redistributed to everyone currently subscribed
to the List.
*****************************************************
*** SPAM Fighter - You Must be Subscribed to Post ***
*****************************************************
When a new post is received by the system, the From: line of the message
is checked and compared against the current subscription list. If the
email address is found, the message is passed on to the List Processor.
If the email address isn't found in the current list of subscribers, it
is dumped. This serves to very effectively thwart 99% of the SPAM that
gets posted to the Lists.
Remember, however, that the syntax of your email address is very important
with regard to the configuration of your email application such as Outlook
or Eudora. For example, the following two email addresses may be
functionally equivalent, but only one would pass the Matronics Email SPAM
test depending on which was syntax was subscribed to the given List:
smith@machine.domain.com
smith@domain.com
Either email address syntax is alright, just be sure that you configure
your email application to match *exactly* the address you've subscibed to
the List.
**************************************
*** Enclosure Support on the Lists ***
**************************************
Limited posting of enclosures such as pictures, documents, and spreadsheets
is supported on the Lists. There are a number of restrictions, and these
are detailed below. Please abide by the rules put forth regarding the
content of enclosures.
These are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics
Lists:
1) Enclosures will only be posted to the Real Time version of the Lists.
2) Enclosures will NOT be included in the Daily Digest version of the Lists.
3) Enclosures WILL BE forwarded on to the BBS Forum Web site.
4) Enclosures will NOT be appended to the Archives.
5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature.
6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed:
bmp doc dwg dxf gif jpg pdf png txt xls
All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to
sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from
a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk.
7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting
to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down
the process of posting the message !!
Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules
could result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists.
1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files
you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there
are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post
30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these
folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just
unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother.
And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
questionable. !!
4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members
subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting
to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and
BE COURTEOUS!
Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where
you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
for long time viewing and availability.
*******************
*** Digest Mode ***
*******************
Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started.
This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended
to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:"
and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting
of a line of underscores.
Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be
combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list.
To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form
described above, and just select the Digest version of the List.
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions
of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable.
Now some caveats:
* Messages sent to "kitfox-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard
email list. In other words, you cannot post messages only to the
digest List.
* If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you
will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of
the day.
* If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the
normal list associated with the digest. Important Note: Please change
the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please
*do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*.
****************************
*** List Digest Browser ***
****************************
An archive of all the List Digests can be found online in either plain text
or HTML format. These archives contain the exact Digest that was posted to
the Digest email list on the given day. The Digest Archives can be found
at the following location:
http://www.matronics.com/digest
*****************************************
*** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag ***
*****************************************
At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very
small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive
it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the
message:
do not archive
Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List
email distribution as normal.
**********************************************
***** READ THIS - Automatic Unsubscribes *****
**********************************************
Note that if your email address begins to cause problems such as bounced
email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly
removed from the List. If you discover that you are no longer receiving
messages from the Kitfox-List, go to the following Web page, and look
for your email address and a possible reason for your removal.
The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that
automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that
caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the
Lists you will find record of it at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed
If the problem listed on the web site above has been resolved, please feel
free to resubscribe to the Lists of your choice.
*******************************
*** List Member Information ***
*******************************
If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and
paper mail address in the following format:
smith@somehost.com
Joe Smith
123 Airport Lane
Tower, CA 91234-1234
098-765-1234 w
123-456-7890 h
Please forward this information to the following email address:
requests@matronics.com
I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
be used for any other commercial purpose.
****************************************
*** Realtime Web Email List Browsing ***
****************************************
Recent messages posted to the Kitfox-List are also made available on
the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject,
Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are
updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
Browser Interface in view-mode.
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/kitfox-list
*******************************************
*** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface ***
*******************************************
A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all Kitfox-List content.
content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
http://forums.matronics.com
*********************************
*** Matronics Email List Wiki ***
*********************************
In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed
information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at:
http://wiki.matronics.com
The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
wiki-support@matronics.com
One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
*********************
*** List Archives ***
*********************
A file containing of all of the previous postings to the Kitfox-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* Kitfox-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the Kitfox-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* Kitfox-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* Kitfox-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* Kitfox-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the Kitfox-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* Kitfox-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the Kitfox-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
----------------
The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
----------------
The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
******************************************
*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
******************************************
All messages posted to the Kitfox-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?Kitfox
*****************************************
**** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
*****************************************
You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
****************************
*** File and Photo Share ***
****************************
With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
pictures@matronics.com
!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
**************************
*** List Archive CDROM ***
**************************
A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
**********************************
*** List Support Contributions ***
**********************************
The Matronics Lists are run *completely* through the support of it members.
You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of
annoying commercialism on either the Email Messages or the List web pages
associated with the Matronics Email Lists. Every year during November
I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month,
I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they
are comfortable.
I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the
Fund Raiser to increase the participation. The gifts are usually donated
by companies that are themselves List members.
Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists
including the high-speed, business-class Internet connection, server
system hardware and software upgrades, and to partially offset the many
many hours I spend running, maintaining, upgrading, and developing the
variety of services found here.
Generally Contributions range from $20 to $100 and are completely voluntary
and non-compulsory. I ask only that if person enjoys the Lists and obtains
value from them, that they make a Contribution of equal magnitude.
Contributions are accepted throughout the year, and if you've just
subscribed, feel free to make a Contribution when you've settled in.
The website for making SSL Secure Contributions is listed below. There are
a variety of payment methods including Visa and MasterCard, PayPal, and
sending a personal check.
If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to
support its continued operation?
http://www.matronics.com/contributions
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines
******************************************************************************
The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kitfox-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kitfox-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Kitfox-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kitfox-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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| Subject: | Official Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Kitfox-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kitfox-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
******************************************************************************
Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines
******************************************************************************
The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kitfox-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kitfox-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Kitfox-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kitfox-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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