---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 03/04/08: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:09 AM - Re: Re: Door Latch Pictures (Guy Buchanan) 2. 03:13 AM - Re: Re: Door Latch Pictures (jeff puls) 3. 05:20 AM - Fw: NSI EA-81 Timing problem (fox5flyer) 4. 05:23 AM - Re: Cross-Wind T (Catz631@aol.com) 5. 05:44 AM - Re: Cross-Wind T & G (Noel Loveys) 6. 05:51 AM - Painting (rufas) 7. 07:02 AM - Re: Cross-Wind T & G (Michel Verheughe) 8. 07:12 AM - Re: Cross-Wind T & G (Tom Jones) 9. 07:18 AM - Re: Painting (Tom Jones) 10. 09:28 AM - Re: Re: Cross-Wind T & G (Marco Menezes) 11. 12:39 PM - Re: Cross-Wind T & G (Marco Menezes) 12. 03:26 PM - mode 4-1200 left strut for sale (Peter Newgard) 13. 04:25 PM - Re: Re: Cross-Wind T & G (Noel Loveys) 14. 04:31 PM - Great Lakes Area Kitfox Fly In (steve shinabery) 15. 07:19 PM - Re: Re: Cross-Wind T & G (Rexinator) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:09:37 AM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Re: Kitfox-List: Door Latch Pictures At 10:58 AM 3/3/2008, you wrote: >Gary, >If you ever make these for purchase I will take a set. Jeff Classic IV CMH Oh my. I can't even imagine what they would cost. It took forever! I could tool it and make 1000 to get the price down, but I don't think the market's that big. Oh well. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. Do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:13:48 AM PST US From: "jeff puls" Subject: Re: Re: Kitfox-List: Door Latch Pictures Thanks Guy. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Guy Buchanan" Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 3:06 AM Subject: Re: Re: Kitfox-List: Door Latch Pictures > > At 10:58 AM 3/3/2008, you wrote: >>Gary, >>If you ever make these for purchase I will take a set. Jeff Classic IV CMH > > Oh my. I can't even imagine what they would cost. It took forever! > I could tool it and make 1000 to get the price down, but I don't think the > market's that big. Oh well. > > > Guy Buchanan > San Diego, CA > K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. > > Do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:20:27 AM PST US From: "fox5flyer" Subject: Kitfox-List: Fw: NSI EA-81 Timing problem MessageJeff, I did a little digging this morning and I found a bit of info regarding install of the trigger wheel. If this doesn't make sense, let me know. Deke " > Hi all, This is how to install the flywheel and trigger wheel. > > 1. Put number one cylinder to TDC. The crankpully should be at > 0'tdc. > 2. Put the flywheel notch at the top. 12 o'clock > 3. Put the trigger wheel notch at 9 o'clock > 4. The missing tooth should be at the 6:30 to 7 O'clock position. > > That's it. I am posting a picture of this also. ----- Original Message ----- From: fox5flyer Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 5:57 PM Subject: NSI EA-81 Timing problem I'm not aware of any NSI EA-81 engines with a distributor. They have electronic dual ignition modules by Electromotive. I believe what Jeff is referring to is the trigger wheel that is attached to the flywheel. I'll go out this evening to check my books and see if I can find the proper positioning of the trigger wheel. Deke ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 11:09 AM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI EA-81 Timing problem The flywheel will only mount to the crankshaft in one way. The timing marks should be indented on the flywheel itself. Maybe I am not understanding your problem. Did you remove something? Was it the flywheel or a distributor? If it is the distributor, then move number one piston to TDC, rotate the distributor rotor so that it will point to the number one pole plug wire on the distributor and then insert the distributor into the drive hole making sure the rotor does not turn. Let me know if that is it. Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Smathers Sent: 2008-03-02 17:15 To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: Kitfox-List: NSI EA-81 Timing problem Hi all, I haven't posted in many moons but here is my problem.. I've 'lost' my flywheel and TDC orientation to the electronic timing gear thats mounted on the flywheel. Could one of you fellow NSI engine owners for the EA-81 engine please tell me in what orientation the 'home notch' (where 3 teeth are missing) goes in relation to the flywheel when it's TDC on the # 1 cylinder? I have tried 2 different positions out of four possible ( I'm not going to Vegas this year.) and it is sputtering and backfiring like its timing problems. Photos would be nice but if you can give an O'Clock orientation as seen from the front that would be good also. Thanks again, Jeff Smathers KF5 Molalla, OR href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:23:09 AM PST US From: Catz631@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cross-Wind T Michael, That was indeed a workout. I agree with the other members that he should not have attempted it. As a retired captain for a major US carrier and retired Naval aviator, I too have had my workouts in strong crosswinds although not of this magnitude which I personally would not attempt (although in Cancun one night it was almost that bad) I always used the crab and at the last moment the rudder to align the aircraft. You have to get the upwind wing down or you will be wandering all over the runway. Now Boeing wants you to land flat in a crab (like an Ercoupe)as one of the other members mentioned so as not to hit an engine nacelle,wingtip,etc AND a swept wing does act differently. However, the top rudder method worked well for me and I found I could gauge the wind better. I have had times where I had absolute full aileron deflection and thank god for taildragger training and the rudder! The captain on that carrier did a nice save and it is really easy to "Monday morning quarterback" when you are not there. I know he used all his skills.(and wishes he didn't need to) Regards, Dick Maddux Fox4-1200 Pensacola,Fl **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:44:25 AM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Cross-Wind T & G I wonder if they can actually use all the tires again after a landing like that?? 155 mph I thought it was only 50... @150 he should have landed across the runway. ( just joking) Sigtaturea Noel Loveys Campbellton, NL, Canada CDN AME intern, PP-Rec C-FINB, Kitfox III-A 582 B box, Ivo IFA, Aerocet 1100 floats noelloveys@yahoo.ca From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of KITFOXZ@aol.com Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 7:57 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cross-Wind T & G Yes! Those are some beautiful, seemingly, unmanageable cross-wind landings! I can almost hear Kurt singing praises to the virtues of the great 777. In some of those clips, it almost seems like the main gear extends down ahead of the rest of the fuselage to meet mother earth and grab hold of terra firma. Like a giant eagle clawing for her perch. One clip looks like the nose pivots 20 degrees before planting the nose gear parallel to the center line. Awsome! John Z. Columbus Ohio do not archive In a message dated 3/3/2008 4:35:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, hefferans@gmail.com writes: www.metacafe.com/watch/39256/*crosswind*s/ _____ It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:51:30 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Painting From: "rufas" Trying to come up with a color combo on a series 7. Is there any place on the web to mix and match colors on a Kitfox ? I saw a 7 on here a couple months ago that was to be painted like a L-3, I think it was done on a computer. Thanks in advance. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=167611#167611 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:02:12 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Cross-Wind T & G Thanks Dick and everyone else; I know now that you don't land an airliner other than by crabbing. I'll remember that for the day we are told that the crew is sick and they need a pilot to land the bird! :-) > From: Noel Loveys [noelloveys@yahoo.ca] > I wonder if they can actually use all the tires again after a landing like > that?? I was wondering ... from what I can see, I am not sure the wheels went on the ground at all. What's you opinion, guys? Cheers, Michel Verheughe Norway Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 do not archive
________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:12:46 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Cross-Wind T & G From: "Tom Jones" Quote: From: Noel Loveys [noelloveys(at)yahoo.ca] I wonder if they can actually use all the tires again after a landing like that?? I was wondering ... from what I can see, I am not sure the wheels went on the ground at all. What's you opinion, guys? The tires may okay but they will probably never get all those seats clean again. Do not archive -------- Tom Jones Classic IV, Phase one 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=167635#167635 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:44 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Painting From: "Tom Jones" Painting templates are on the Kitfox factory web site. Here's the direct link. http://www.kitfoxaircraft.com/Paint%20Templates.htm -------- Tom Jones Classic IV, Phase one 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=167636#167636 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:28:54 AM PST US From: Marco Menezes Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Cross-Wind T & G I remember being a passenger a few years ago on I think it was a 757, landing at MIA in what must have been a hellacious x-wind. I was seated on the left side, looking out the window at the numbers on the runway just prior to touchdown. I don't think anyone else even noticed. I did thank the pilot as I de-planed. Those guys are good. do not archive Tom Jones wrote: Quote: From: Noel Loveys [noelloveys(at)yahoo.ca] I wonder if they can actually use all the tires again after a landing like that?? I was wondering ... from what I can see, I am not sure the wheels went on the ground at all. What's you opinion, guys? The tires may okay but they will probably never get all those seats clean again. Do not archive -------- Tom Jones Classic IV, Phase one 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=167635#167635 Marco Menezes Model 2 582 N99KX --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:39:55 PM PST US From: Marco Menezes Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Cross-Wind T & G Then again, some x-wind approaches are better executed than others, aren't they? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueJeC2pxxbM Michel Verheughe wrote: Thanks Dick and everyone else; I know now that you don't land an airliner other than by crabbing. I'll remember that for the day we are told that the crew is sick and they need a pilot to land the bird! :-) > From: Noel Loveys [noelloveys@yahoo.ca] > I wonder if they can actually use all the tires again after a landing like > that?? I was wondering ... from what I can see, I am not sure the wheels went on the ground at all. What's you opinion, guys? Cheers, Michel Verheughe Norway Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 do not archive Marco Menezes Model 2 582 N99KX --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:26:27 PM PST US From: Peter Newgard Subject: Kitfox-List: mode 4-1200 left strut for sale New left wing strut for model 4-1200--$350 ( about 50% of new price in 1995). located in Rainier, Wa. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:25:17 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Cross-Wind T & G In Dec 1975 I was in a DC-8 that landed at gander Intl. Airport. The runways were extremely icy and the reverse thrusters didn't seem to work at all. I was in a right hand seat overlooking the wing..... Watching the runway disappear in front of me as the plane slid down the runway sideways at what seemed to be the speed of light. It was runway 31 and I could see the lights of the town getting closer at an alarming rate! Somehow or the other the plane ended up going down the runway backwards.. At least we didn't have to see what was happening! If you die that way you'll never get into heaven...St. Peter would never believe it! Any way the pilots got the darn thing stopped without leaving the runway for a tour of the town. We taxied back to the terminal where we slid the last twenty feet or so before the engines were shut down.... Bad move... The DC - 8 didn't have an APU and ground power wasn't available for close to an hour while the crews outside were fighting ice to allow the power wagons to get close enough to the plane to hook up. There we sat in the dark quiet cold for close to an hour before they would get the power on for heat and light .... Then we got to wait another fifteen minutes while the walkway to the terminal ( no jetways... Still don't have 'em) was being de-iced. There must have been some minor power in the plane because the pilot used the intercom to make the announcements about the cold and dark and to apologize for shutting down the last engine before ground power was hooked up. Sigtaturea Noel Loveys Campbellton, NL, Canada CDN AME intern, PP-Rec C-FINB, Kitfox III-A 582 B box, Ivo IFA, Aerocet 1100 floats noelloveys@yahoo.ca noel From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marco Menezes Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 1:53 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Cross-Wind T & G I remember being a passenger a few years ago on I think it was a 757, landing at MIA in what must have been a hellacious x-wind. I was seated on the left side, looking out the window at the numbers on the runway just prior to touchdown. I don't think anyone else even noticed. I did thank the pilot as I de-planed. Those guys are good. do not archive Tom Jones wrote: Quote: From: Noel Loveys [noelloveys(at)yahoo.ca] I wonder if they can actually use all the tires again after a landing like that?? I was wondering ... from what I can see, I am not sure the wheels went on the ground at all. What's you opinion, guys? The tires may okay but they will probably never get all ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:31:37 PM PST US From: steve shinabery Subject: Kitfox-List: Great Lakes Area Kitfox Fly In It is cold here in Ohio.there is 3 inches of ice on the ground.and rain and snow.BUT soon in May it will be time for the 2008 Great Lakes Area Kitfox Fly In..,,May 11th 2008.at Lake Field Airport [CQA]Celina Ohio.at 12:00 noon lunch will be served of BBQ on the grill.FREE to all Kitfox pilots flying in there Kitfox's,,and after lunch we are having a BOMB Drop+SPOT Landing contests.our airport is located on the south west corner of Grand Lake St.Marys.west central Ohio.just look for the largest lake in Ohio.you can not miss it..this should be a FUN day with your kitfox family..If you do not have a KF.fly in what ever you have all are invited.bring tie downs....Lake Field Airport is home base to Steve Shinabery and N554KF KF2 hope to see you all there ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:19:53 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Cross-Wind T & G From: Rexinator I'd love to have heard the CVR playback from that landing! :-) do not archive -- Rex Hefferan SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs Noel Loveys wrote: > In Dec 1975 I was in a DC-8 that landed at gander Intl. Airport. The > runways were extremely icy and the reverse thrusters didnt seem to > work at all. I was in a right hand seat overlooking the wing..... > Watching the runway disappear in front of me as the plane slid down > the runway sideways at what seemed to be the speed of light. It was > runway 31 and I could see the lights of the town getting closer at an > alarming rate! > > Somehow or the other the plane ended up going down the runway > backwards.. At least we didnt have to see what was happening! If you > die that way youll never get into heaven...St. Peter would never > believe it! Any way the pilots got the darn thing stopped without > leaving the runway for a tour of the town. We taxied back to the > terminal where we slid the last twenty feet or so before the engines > were shut down.... Bad move... The DC 8 didnt have an APU and > ground power wasnt available for close to an hour while the crews > outside were fighting ice to allow the power wagons to get close > enough to the plane to hook up. There we sat in the dark quiet cold > for close to an hour before they would get the power on for heat and > light ... Then we got to wait another fifteen minutes while the > walkway to the terminal ( no jetways... Still dont have em) was > being de-iced. There must have been some minor power in the plane > because the pilot used the intercom to make the announcements about > the cold and dark and to apologize for shutting down the last engine > before ground power was hooked up. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kitfox-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.