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1. 07:55 AM - Re: Cross-Wind T & G (kj7sr@earthlink.net)
2. 09:06 AM - Re: Re: Cross-Wind T & G (Jose M. Toro)
3. 11:13 AM - Lite for sale (fox5flyer)
4. 02:20 PM - Poly Fiber Polybrush (Pat Reilly)
5. 02:41 PM - Completed Phase one (Tom Jones)
6. 02:55 PM - Re: Completed Phase one (patrick reilly)
7. 03:21 PM - Re: Completed Phase one (Tom Jones)
8. 04:18 PM - Re: Poly Fiber Polybrush (darinh)
9. 04:19 PM - Re: Poly Fiber Polybrush (Roger McConnell)
10. 05:06 PM - Re: Poly Fiber Polybrush (Lynn Matteson)
11. 05:12 PM - Re: Completed Phase one (Lynn Matteson)
12. 06:46 PM - Re: Re: Cross-Wind T & G (Paul Morel)
13. 07:17 PM - Re: Poly Fiber Polybrush (patrick reilly)
14. 07:22 PM - Re: Poly Fiber Polybrush (patrick reilly)
15. 07:42 PM - Re: Re: Poly Fiber Polybrush (patrick reilly)
16. 07:50 PM - Re: Re: Completed Phase one (patrick reilly)
17. 08:40 PM - Re: Poly Fiber Polybrush (darinh)
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| Subject: | Re: Cross-Wind T & G |
I agree with Michael, I flew large acft from 727s to 747s and found the low wing
technique to be best. Before you would drag an engine you will scare yourself
to the point you will correct the bank, (or should). With that technique you
only have to worry about landing straight ahead you are not realigning to a
runway, battling a crosswind and landing all at the same time.
Chuck
do not archive
Kitfox Model 1
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| Subject: | Re: Cross-Wind T & G |
IMHO, for strong cross wind, cross controls (low wing and opposite rudder) is the
ONLY correct technique...and this is NOT what the pilot of the A320 did.
Jose
ex-Kitfox II/582 (still fly it)
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From: "kj7sr@earthlink.net" <kj7sr@earthlink.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 6, 2008 11:50:01 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Cross-Wind T & G
I agree with Michael, I flew large acft from 727s to 747s and found the low wing
technique to be best. Before you would drag an engine you will scare yourself
to the point you will correct the bank, (or should). With that technique you
only have to worry about landing straight ahead you are not realigning to a
runway, battling a crosswind and landing all at the same time.
Chuck
do not archive
Kitfox Model 1
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For those who may be looking, there's a Kitfox Lite package for sale on
ebay.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=017&sspagen
ame=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=270216665246&rd=1
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| Subject: | Poly Fiber Polybrush |
Kitfoxers, I have completeled the first coat of Poly Brush applied with
a brush as directed. It appears to have taken the 1st coat fine. The
recommended standard proceedure is to give the plane 2 additional
sprayed coats of Poly Brush before applying Poly Spray. Has anyone
attempted to apply a 2nd coat of Poly Brush with brush or roller?
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
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| Subject: | Completed Phase one |
I completed the 40 hour phase one flight testing on my kitfox today. Here's a
picture after the flight.
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Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Completed Phase one |
Tom, What kind of silver paint is that on your plane?
Do not archieve
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 Rebuild
Rockford, ILx-List: Completed Phase one> From: nahsikhs@elltel.net> Date: T
hu, 6 Mar 2008 14:38:48 -0800> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> > --> Kitfox-
List message posted by: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>> > I completed th
e 40 hour phase one flight testing on my kitfox today. Here's a picture aft
er the flight.> > --------> Tom Jones> Classic IV> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two b
lade Warp> Ellensburg, WA> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://f
orums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=168113#168113> > > > > Attachments: >
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| Subject: | Re: Completed Phase one |
> Tom, What kind of silver paint is that on your plane?
> Do not archieve
> Pat Reilly
Pat, the silver is Polytone "Nevada Silver". The main reason I chose it was to
keep the plane light. It is one coat over top of the polyspray. The yellow
is polytone "Ag Cat yellow".
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Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Poly Fiber Polybrush |
Pat,
I sprayed mine so I can't answer your question but I would be most worried about
even coverage with a brush. Also, the chance of brush marks/roller marks would
steer me away from this approach. Just curious, why would you consider brushing
or rolling these coats?
As I understand it, the Polybrush is one of the most important steps to do right
or you get major problems with pinholes. Having just finished my color coats,
I am happy to say that my paint went way better than I could have hoped. I
followed the Poly Fiber manual to the letter as far as the polybrush and polyspray
are considered.
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Darin Hawkes
Series 7 (Painting)
914 Turbo
Kaysville, Utah
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| Subject: | Poly Fiber Polybrush |
Yes,
I used a short nap roller to apply the second coat and then
followed right behind it with a foam brush to smooth out the tiny air
bubbles that formed. Worked well for me.
Roger McConnell, Duncan, OK
Model 7 Trigear, Rotax 912uls
Flying sense Jan. 06
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pat Reilly
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 4:17 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Poly Fiber Polybrush
Kitfoxers, I have completeled the first coat of Poly Brush applied with a
brush as directed. It appears to have taken the 1st coat fine. The
recommended standard proceedure is to give the plane 2 additional sprayed
coats of Poly Brush before applying Poly Spray. Has anyone attempted to
apply a 2nd coat of Poly Brush with brush or roller?
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
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| Subject: | Re: Poly Fiber Polybrush |
Not here...why would you want to? The result with a brush or roller
would be just that much more that you'd have to smooth out later, I'm
afraid.
I think the reason that the first coat is done with a brush is so
that you get complete penetration with the first coat. The additional
coats smooth out the first coat and "gives additional fill and
flexibility to the job without adding excessive weight." ...quoted
from the manual...you DO have the manual, right, Pat?
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/475+ hrs
On Mar 6, 2008, at 5:17 PM, Pat Reilly wrote:
> Kitfoxers, I have completeled the first coat of Poly Brush applied
> with a brush as directed. It appears to have taken the 1st coat
> fine. The recommended standard proceedure is to give the plane 2
> additional sprayed coats of Poly Brush before applying Poly Spray.
> Has anyone attempted to apply a 2nd coat of Poly Brush with brush
> or roller?
>
>
> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 Rebuild
> Rockford, IL
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| Subject: | Re: Completed Phase one |
Congratulations...now you can widen that "circle", eh?
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/475+ hrs
do not archive
On Mar 6, 2008, at 5:38 PM, Tom Jones wrote:
>
> I completed the 40 hour phase one flight testing on my kitfox
> today. Here's a picture after the flight.
>
> --------
> Tom Jones
> Classic IV
> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
> Ellensburg, WA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=168113#168113
>
>
> Attachments:
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/ready_to_load_190.jpg
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cross-Wind T & G |
As a retired Aircraft Dispatcher for a major carrier, I have only one
question. Why did this so called "Hero" go around for a 2nd attempt?
It was quite evident he exceeded the crosswind limits. Did he not
realize the danger he put the lives of the passengers in? After
aborting the first landing attempt, he should have focused on his
alternate or suitable airport where the winds would have not been a
factor. He really dodged that bullet.
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: kj7sr@earthlink.net
To: Kitfox-List@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 10:50 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Cross-Wind T & G
I agree with Michael, I flew large acft from 727s to 747s and found
the low wing technique to be best. Before you would drag an engine you
will scare yourself to the point you will correct the bank, (or should).
With that technique you only have to worry about landing straight ahead
you are not realigning to a runway, battling a crosswind and landing all
at the same time.
Chuck
do not archive
Kitfox Model 1
kj7sr@earthlink.net
EarthLink Revolves Around You.
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| Subject: | Poly Fiber Polybrush |
Lynn, Yes, I do have the manual. And, they state that the 1st coat penetrat
ion is better with the brush. The 1st coat is very smooth. Spray coats will
not smooth it out as it is aleady as smooth as it could be. The cloth weav
e does need more fill. The only place I have to smooth with a mek soaked r
ag is along the tapes very slightly. I believe that with the right type rol
ler or possibly the right brush technique, it may be as smooth as a spray a
pplication. I figured somebody out there had tried.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 rebuild
Rockford, IL> From: lynnmatt@jps.net> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Poly Fiber
Polybrush> Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 20:03:41 -0500> To: kitfox-list@matronics.
> Not here...why would you want to? The result with a brush or roller > wo
uld be just that much more that you'd have to smooth out later, I'm > afrai
d.> I think the reason that the first coat is done with a brush is so > tha
t you get complete penetration with the first coat. The additional > coats
smooth out the first coat and "gives additional fill and > flexibility to t
he job without adding excessive weight." ...quoted > from the manual...you
DO have the manual, right, Pat?> > Lynn Matteson> Grass Lake, Michigan> Kit
fox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200> flying w/475+ hrs> > > On Mar 6, 2008, at 5
:17 PM, Pat Reilly wrote:> > > Kitfoxers, I have completeled the first coat
of Poly Brush applied > > with a brush as directed. It appears to have tak
en the 1st coat > > fine. The recommended standard proceedure is to give th
e plane 2 > > additional sprayed coats of Poly Brush before applying Poly S
pray. > > Has anyone attempted to apply a 2nd coat of Poly Brush with brush
> > or roller?> >> >> > Pat Reilly> > Mod 3 Rebuild> > Rockford, IL> > htt
p://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List_- > > ========
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> > contribution_- > > =================
====================> > >
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| Subject: | Poly Fiber Polybrush |
Roger, Thanks for the reply. I had tested a small patch with a foam roller.
The mek made the roller swell up but it held together. There were alot of
tiny air bubbles. I wiped them very quickly with a rag. It is pretty smooth
and your foam brush idea just may be the ticket.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
From: rdmac@swbell.netTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Kitfox-List
: Poly Fiber PolybrushDate: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 18:17:29 -0600
Yes,
I used a short nap roller to apply the second coat and then fol
lowed right behind it with a foam brush to smooth out the tiny air bubbles
that formed. Worked well for me.
Roger McConnell, Duncan, OK
Model 7 Trigear, Rotax 912uls
Flying sense Jan. 06
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-serv
er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pat ReillySent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 4:1
7 PMTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: Kitfox-List: Poly Fiber Polybrush
Kitfoxers, I have completeled the first coat of Poly Brush applied with a b
rush as directed. It appears to have taken the 1st coat fine. The recommend
ed standard proceedure is to give the plane 2 additional sprayed coats of P
oly Brush before applying Poly Spray. Has anyone attempted to apply a 2nd c
oat of Poly Brush with brush or roller?
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 Rebuild
Rockford, IL http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: Poly Fiber Polybrush |
Darin, 2 reasons I am considering a roller or brush for the 2nd and maybe
3rd Poly Brush coat is the pinholes that occur when applying the 2nd Poly B
rush coat sprayed on must be areas that were not filled with the brushed on
1st coat. A 2nd brushed on coat would eliminate any areas missed with the
1st coat. The 2nd reason is it is easier to roller and I'm not sure a spray
ed on coat would be any smoother than a properly rolled one. My 1st brushed
on coat is as smooth as it could get. Proper brush technique is, apply and
leave it be. Any extra brushing with mek based highly volitile carrier pai
nts is futile. I watched my partners at Oshkosh in the mini covering class
attempt to "dab" Poly Tak. They couldn't apply an 8" long strip of Poly Tak
with their dab method before the 1st 6" of Poly Tak had dried.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 RebuildRockford, IL> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Poly Fiber Polybrush>
From: gerns25@netscape.net> Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 16:15:11 -0800> To: kitfo
5@netscape.net>> > Pat,> > I sprayed mine so I can't answer your question b
ut I would be most worried about even coverage with a brush. Also, the chan
ce of brush marks/roller marks would steer me away from this approach. Just
curious, why would you consider brushing or rolling these coats? > > As I
understand it, the Polybrush is one of the most important steps to do right
or you get major problems with pinholes. Having just finished my color coa
ts, I am happy to say that my paint went way better than I could have hoped
. I followed the Poly Fiber manual to the letter as far as the polybrush an
d polyspray are considered.> > --------> Darin Hawkes> Series 7 (Painting)>
914 Turbo> Kaysville, Utah> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http:/
=======================> > >
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| Subject: | Re: Completed Phase one |
Tom, That silver looks good. I am rebuilding a 3 with yellow wings. I had t
o recover the fusalage and am planning on a black fusalage. I might change
to that silver though, withthe yellow wings rudder, horiz stab and elevator
. I thought 1 coat of black Poly Tone over the Poly Spray might do the job.
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Completed Phase one> From: nahsikhs@elltel.net>
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 15:18:53 -0800> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> > -->
Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>> > > > To
m, What kind of silver paint is that on your plane? > > Do not archieve > >
Pat Reilly > > > Pat, the silver is Polytone "Nevada Silver". The main rea
son I chose it was to keep the plane light. It is one coat over top of the
polyspray. The yellow is polytone "Ag Cat yellow".> > --------> Tom Jones>
Classic IV> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp> Ellensburg, WA> > > > > Read
this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=1
=========> > >
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| Subject: | Re: Poly Fiber Polybrush |
Pat,
You are correct in that if you didn't get the proper amount applied with the first
brush coat, then a second brush coat would be beneficial to seal and prevent
pinholes. However, I have found that if you follow the manual exactly as it
is written, you will have no problems with pinholes...at least I didn't.
On the brush/roller technique being as smooth as spraying, I will have to respectfully
disagree. I have never seen a brushed or rolled finish be even close
to as smooth as a sprayed finish. I am not saying it won't work, I just think
it is much more work and you have more of a chance of missing an area. If you
decide to go this route, let us know how it turns out.
--------
Darin Hawkes
Series 7 (Painting)
914 Turbo
Kaysville, Utah
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