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1. 12:00 AM - Re: Sky King.... (rudderdancer)
2. 04:53 AM - Re: Homebuilders special tailwheel swap (Lynn Matteson)
3. 05:08 AM - Re: Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? (W Duke)
4. 06:24 AM - Re: FL Dept Rev - Sales and Use Tax on Aircraft Owners and Purch... (KFN102LG@aol.com)
5. 06:45 AM - Re: Intercom (Noel Loveys)
6. 06:57 AM - Re: Re: engine surge (Marco Menezes)
7. 07:30 AM - Re: 912s Ring Mount (dcsfoto)
8. 09:05 AM - Re: Re: engine surge (Frank Miles)
9. 09:42 AM - Re: Re: engine surge (Rexinator)
10. 09:48 AM - Re: Re: engine surge (Rexinator)
11. 12:33 PM - cowling camloc (akflyer)
12. 12:34 PM - Flaperon's with VGs? (Robert Harris)
13. 12:46 PM - Re: Re: OT-Sky King.... (Noel Loveys)
14. 01:04 PM - Re: cowling camloc (84KF)
15. 01:28 PM - Re: cowling camloc (akflyer)
16. 01:54 PM - Great Lakes Area Kitfox Fly-In (steve shinabery)
17. 02:05 PM - Re: Homebuilders special tailwheel swap (patrick reilly)
18. 02:16 PM - Re: Re: Sky King.... (patrick reilly)
19. 02:32 PM - Re: Re: Sky King.... (84KF)
20. 02:57 PM - Re: cowling camloc (Tom Jones)
21. 03:11 PM - Re: FL Dept Rev - Sales and Use Tax on Aircraft Owners and Purch... (Michael Gibbs)
22. 03:13 PM - OT- Re: Sky King.... (Noel Loveys)
23. 03:49 PM - Re: cowling camloc (akflyer)
24. 05:29 PM - Re: OT- Re: Sky King.... (Guy Buchanan)
25. 06:37 PM - Flaperons with Vortex Generators How about this Guy Buchanan (Robert Harris)
26. 07:28 PM - Re: Homebuilders special tailwheel swap (Lynn Matteson)
27. 07:31 PM - Re: Re: Sky King.... (Lynn Matteson)
28. 07:50 PM - Re: OT- Re: Sky King.... (Lynn Matteson)
29. 07:52 PM - Re: cowling camloc (RAY Gignac)
30. 08:25 PM - Re: cowling camloc (akflyer)
31. 08:59 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? (FlyboyTR)
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| Subject: | Re: Sky King.... |
Hi Rex and Noel,
First, thanks for the offer Rex. Next time we head east that direction, I'll try
to give a call and make a stop, especially to get a peek at your plane.
Noel, only one channel, wow. When I was growing up in Louisiana, the tv antenna
was bolted to the porch and roof. We'd go out to re-point it toward the station
we were trying to watch. Now days, with a hundred plus satellite channels
sometimes it's still boring. The more things change ....
Regards,
Jack
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Kitfox II, 582, Tundra Tires,
rusty pilot.
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| Subject: | Re: Homebuilders special tailwheel swap |
They are listed under "machine screws" in the index, and are on p.
96. Not under "brass screws" or "instrument screws" or on the same
page, or in the same general vicinity as the instruments, as one
would think, nor are they cross-referenced as one would hope.
Aircraft Spruce could do itself a huge favor and do some cross-
referencing in their index for us homebuilders, who don't always know
the proper name for something, myself being the "leader of that
pack." : )
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/480+ hrs/down for annual
On Mar 20, 2008, at 10:24 PM, patrick reilly wrote:
> Lynn, I need some of those 6-32 instrument screws. WHere in the ACS
> catalog did you find them? I looked and didn't see them.
>
> Pat
>
> > From: lynnmatt@jps.net
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Homebuilders special tailwheel swap
> > Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 19:29:52 -0400
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >
> >
> > Well, wonder of wonders, Spruce finally got it right! Or did they?
> > When I ordered mine, taking the description "bearings" to heart, I
> > only got one, thinking it should be two, and returned it without
> > thinking to see if it had a sleeve in it or not.
> > Good report, Pat, but I think people who order the replacement
> > bearings should ask if they are going to get one or two bearings.
> >
> > I seem to be having a problem with getting the "right stuff" from
> > Spruce....I just received an order which included 6 brass instrument
> > screws of 6-32 size. I only needed 4, but knowing their penchant for
> > screwing up, I ordered 2 extras. Guess what? They sent 4 8-32's and
> > 2 6-32's. The proper ones are on the way, after a phone call.
> > Whenever I order from them, if it's only hardware items, I order
> > extra, but this time they really screwed the pooch....and I was the
> > pooch. : )
> >
> > Lynn Matteson
> > Grass Lake, Michigan
> > Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
> > flying w/480+ hrs
> > do not archive
> >
> >
> > On Mar 20, 2008, at 5:52 PM, patrick reilly wrote:
> >
> > > Lynn, I ordered 2 of the bearings. @ bearing arrived in a seperate
> > > plastic package that could be cut apart but mine were still
> > > together. ACS charged $4.95 for both, not each. I couldn't believe
> > > it. The bearings are sealed and look to be good quality. That is
> > > dirt cheap. The bearings still needed a shim to fit down to the
> > > axle diameter. I filed and polished until I got a good tight slip
> > > fit. I really don't know how much I took off of the bushing OD, as
> > > I didn't mic it before I started.
> > >
> > > Pat Reilly
> > > Mod 3 REbuild
> > > Rockford, IL
> > >
> > > > From: lynnmatt@jps.net
> > > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Homebuilders special tailwheel swap
> > > > Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:49:19 -0400
> > > > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > > >
> <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> > > >
> > > > Thanks, Rex. Good info. But there isn't a gap in mine, and if
> there
> > > > was, the inner race of the bearing might rotate around the
> spacer/
> > > > shim, instead of being fixed to the spacer/shim as it should
> be. The
> > > > inner race-to-shim fit must be a good push fit, not sloppy in
> any
> > > > way. I hope I'm not misinterpreting you.
> > > >
> > > > Now I have a question for anybody that has ordered the Spruce
> > > > "longlife sealed ball bearings." Did you, Pat? I'm curious
> about the
> > > > size of the ID of these bearings. Did you still need the shim/
> > > spacer,
> > > > or was the ID of these bearings .500" to fit the Maule axle?
> > > > I had ordered the replacement "bearings"...plural...thinking
> that I
> > > > was getting two bearings, and only one showed up. I was so
> pissed
> > > > that I went to my local bearing dealer and bought bearings
> there,
> > > > and returned the one that Spruce sent with a complaint about
> their
> > > > poor description. Now I'm curious about whether those bearings
> > > were a
> > > > direct fit to the Maule axle or not. If they are, there's no
> need
> > > for
> > > > the tubing shim/spacer.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Lynn Matteson
> > > > Grass Lake, Michigan
> > > > Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
> > > > flying w/480+ hrs
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mar 19, 2008, at 10:46 PM, Rexinator wrote:
> > > >
> <hefferans@gmail.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > Lynn,
> > > > > Back from my Bearing shop trip. First I'll answer your
> > > question. By
> > > > > "gap" I meant that tiny space between the O.D. of the
> spacer/shim
> > > > > and the I.D. of the bearings through which grease would
> migrate
> > > out
> > > > > if the wheel were to be used as designed. In other words;
> as the
> > > > > original Maule wheel is designed by having a zerk fitting
> in the
> > > > > hub. (Where grease in injected into the hub, but better
> bearings
> > > > > were used). Since you used sealed bearings the zerk fitting
> is not
> > > > > needed, but left in place. I will recommend the zerk
> fitting be
> > > > > replaced with a plug and will try to source a part for that.
> > > > > I plan to replace the existing bearings with the same type
> as you
> > > > > did, but my supplier was able to quote me a comparable
> bearing at
> > > > > $4 each! I actually showed him the print-out from
> BocaBearings.com
> > > > > and he used the same P/N for the quote. He only had one in
> > > stock so
> > > > > I'll go back Friday to pick them up. I did look at the one
> he had
> > > > > and it looked like the photos. It may be another brand, but
> should
> > > > > be good. I suspect Boca Bearings are over priced. Perhaps
> someone
> > > > > expert about this subject could comment.
> > > > > He also showed me a reducer bushing which which does the same
> > > thing
> > > > > as the spacer you and others had to make for the 1/2" to 5/8"
> > > > > difference of the axle and bearing I.D. This one was made of a
> > > > > rolled steel tube which has a closed seam and is plated. It
> fits
> > > > > easily (perhaps too easily) in the existing cheap bearings
> of the
> > > > > new wheel, but my application is to cut it to length to
> work as a
> > > > > internal spacer. From your text you show understanding of this
> > > > > method. I will also add appropriate washers as spacers to
> prevent
> > > > > the nut or opposite axle shoulder from rubbing against the
> bearing
> > > > > seal. The intent is to capture the wheel/bearing assembly
> on the
> > > > > axle, not clamp it. Thus with any clamping pressure from
> improper
> > > > > assembly the axle nut would not place any undue side load
> on the
> > > > > inner races. Since the axle and nut use a cotter pin the idea
> > > is to
> > > > > fix the nut at the point where minimal side to side play is
> > > > > attained. Shims may be used to fine tune the play. The axle
> nut
> > > > > (for those not aware) is not to be tightened against the
> > > bearing or
> > > > > even the spacer.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hopefully my description here shows I understand the
> concept for
> > > > > proper wheel bearing assembly. Please, anyone, let me know
> if it's
> > > > > not clear enough as this is practice and preliminary
> content for
> > > > > the instructions to be used for the Wiki page. I will be using
> > > > > photos and will add text and arrows to them where it helps.
> > > > > Thanks in advance.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Rex Hefferan
> > > > > SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Lynn Matteson wrote:
> > > > >
> > > <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Rex-
> > > > >> I'm not sure what you meant by "The small gap between the
> tube
> > > > >> spacer and inner bearing races"... The way I did it, there
> is no
> > > > >> small gap. The tube I used is 5/8" OD and 1/2" ID, and is
> meant
> > > > >> to be used as a "shim" between the size of the shaft...
> 1/2", and
> > > > >> the ID of the bearings that I got, which was 5/8". The
> bearings
> > > > >> that you cited are already 1/2" ID, so the tube spacer is not
> > > > >> required as a shim or sleeve. If you are using those Boca
> > > > >> bearings that you mentioned, no sleeve is needed, but
> maybe you
> > > > >> are using it to prevent the inner races of the two
> bearings from
> > > > >> undo stress or load, if the nut is tightened too much.
> That is a
> > > > >> good idea. But in that circumstance, there should be no
> gap as
> > > > >> you mentioned. Am I reading you right?
> > > > >> By the way, for those that haven't done this Spruce
> Homebuilder's
> > > > >> tailwheel swap, the bearings that come...or at least those
> that
> > > > >> came with my tailwheel from Spruce...are bad news, in that
> they
> > > > >> are rough to the feel when turned, and when my departed
> bearing
> > > > >> guy looked up the load application, he said they were
> meant for
> > > > >> the speed of a hand truck, or loading dolly. And they were
> Heim
> > > > >> bearings....once a good name in bearings and maybe still
> so, but
> > > > >> these particular bearings don't belong in the tailwheel of
> our
> > > > >> airplanes. These particular bearings have a sleeve in them
> which
> > > > >> takes the ID down to 1/2", and when replacing these Heim
> > > > >> bearings, I could find the proper 1.375" OD bearing, but not
> > > the .
> > > > >> 500" ID. The only bearing that was available to the bearing
> > > > >> dealer that I dealt with was the 1.375" ID, but with .
> 625" ID,
> > > > >> hence my use of the shim/sleeve to make up the difference in
> > > > >> diameters between the bearing ID and axle OD. Then, just to
> > > > >> simplify matters, I made the sleeve sort of become a
> "diameter-
> > > > >> increasing" sleeve for the axle, and slid the wheel onto
> it. My
> > > > >> nut then bears upon this sleeve, and does not put a
> sideways load
> > > > >> on the inner race of the bearings. This is what must be
> avoided.
> > > > >> There can be no sideways load on a normal ball bearing.
> Some ball
> > > > >> bearings are designed to have a slight load on them, but I
> don't
> > > > >> think they are in the $18 range for this size bearing.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Lynn Matteson
> > > > >> Grass Lake, Michigan
> > > > >> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
> > > > >> flying w/480+ hrs
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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| Subject: | Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? |
If you happen to need a place to stop over in central Georgia feel free to stop
in at my strip GE26. Between Dublin and Eastman Georgia. Do not archive.
Maxwell
wingnut <wingnut@spamarrest.com> wrote:
Looks like Steve Bennet and I will be a flight of two from South Carolina to SNF
starting early Wed morning.
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Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
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| Subject: | Re: FL Dept Rev - Sales and Use Tax on Aircraft Owners and |
Purch...
Maine has a similar tax program on newly purchased aircraft that has raised a
lot of the same issues the Florida law has generated. The $30,000 mentioned
referred to a $450,000 aircraft purchase price. I've heard this from a
number of sources, not just ANN.
Larry
**************
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If your audio is powered by the engine you could try an RF choke on your
power line to notch out the whine.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Intercom
At 08:24 AM 3/19/2008, you wrote:
>I have a Sigtronics SPA-400 and RES-2 Audio Switcher with Sigtronics
>stereo headset. I also have an A200 radio. I don't have any real
>experience with it however since it came installed in the damaged
>model 2 I bought to restore. So far I've only powered the panel to
>check the radio and listened to ATIS. My plane has similar
>components to yours and I think it should work well. The original
>builder I bought it from seemed to like it.
I'm very happy with my SPA-400 and A200. The only thing I
would do over would be to pay more attention to wire routing, keeping
all electrical power generation wires well away from anything to do
with avionics. I've got a little alternator whine.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: engine surge |
Don,
I had that happen to me during a full-power run-up of the 582 while on the ground.
Engine was 12 years old with about 10 hours then. It screamed like a banshee,
red-lined the tach and scared the bejeezus outta me. And I was on the ground!
Checked out the archives and Rotax materials as Tom suggests and sure enough,
there it was. Gearbox came off, went out to LEAF for the mod and about $500
later, no more problem.
Tom Jones <nahsikhs@elltel.net> wrote:
Don, The rotax gear boxes have several service letters/bulletins issued to prevent
the cone that connects the crank shaft to the gears from slipping. Those people
that have experienced this report that that the engine seemed to be surging
or slipping. Go to the Rotax owners web site and you can pull up all the bullitens/letters
pertinent to your engine. I will bet your paycheck that you will
find the answer here.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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| Subject: | Re: 912s Ring Mount |
I had to remove the ignition boxes and leave off a clamp.
think torque is in Rotax manual
Model 7 and 3
Do not arcive
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| Subject: | Re: engine surge |
Excuse my ignorance but what/who is LEAF?
Frank Miles
K-fox III W/ 582
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marco
Menezes
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 6:55 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: engine surge
Don,
I had that happen to me during a full-power run-up of the 582 while on
the
ground. Engine was 12 years old with about 10 hours then. It screamed
like a
banshee, red-lined the tach and scared the bejeezus outta me. And I was
on
the ground! Checked out the archives and Rotax materials as Tom suggests
and
sure enough, there it was. Gearbox came off, went out to LEAF for the
mod
and about $500 later, no more problem.
Tom Jones <nahsikhs@elltel.net> wrote:
Don, The rotax gear boxes have several service letters/bulletins issued
to
prevent the cone that connects the crank shaft to the gears from
slipping.
Those people that have experienced this report that that the engine
seemed
to be surging or slipping. Go to the Rotax owners
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9:54 AM
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| Subject: | Re: engine surge |
Thanks for this information. I have a similar situation with the age of
my 582. It's been sitting for about 10 years with 20.5 on the Hobbs. I
was planning on having it rebuilt and all updates done before I test ran
it the first time. That sounds even more like the best idea now.
--
Rex Hefferan
SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs
Marco Menezes wrote:
> Don,
>
> I had that happen to me during a full-power run-up of the 582 while on
> the ground. Engine was 12 years old with about 10 hours then. It
> screamed like a banshee, red-lined the tach and scared the bejeezus
> outta me. And I was on the ground! Checked out the archives and Rotax
> materials as Tom suggests and sure enough, there it was. Gearbox came
> off, went out to LEAF for the mod and about $500 later, no more problem.
>
> */Tom Jones <nahsikhs@elltel.net>/* wrote:
>
>
> Don, The rotax gear boxes have several service letters/bulletins
> issued to prevent the cone that connects the crank shaft to the
> gears from slipping. Those people that have experienced this
> report that that the engine seemed to be surging or slipping. Go
> to the Rotax owners
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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| Subject: | Re: engine surge |
Leading Edge Air Foils. http://www.leadingedge-airfoils.com/
Frank Miles wrote:
> Excuse my ignorance but what/who is LEAF?
>
>
>
> Frank Miles
>
> K-fox III W/ 582
>
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I need to order some new camlocs for my cowling mount. Does anyone have the part
number for the camlocs ?
Thanks
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DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
95% complete
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| Subject: | Flaperon's with VGs? |
Has anyone put VG's on the flaperons and what was the outcome?
Also did clint post his write up on VG's yet?
Robert
V/0200
Looking for last minute shopping deals?
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| Subject: | Re: OT-Sky King.... |
When I was 9 Roy Rodgers brought his western show to St. John's Nfld. Where
I lived. I still remember the tricks Trigger did. The stadium in St. Johns
is small by most standards... wooden bench seats and really no bad views.
Never got to meet him... Thet would have been too much to ask for.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of steve shinabery
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 6:43 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Sky King....
rudderdancer wrote:
>
> Hi Don and Noel,
>
> I guess I remember watching the reruns since I saw them in the early 60's.
> I really enjoyed them too, along with watching The Roy Rogers, Dale Evans
Show, and Marx the Magic Man on Saturdays. That's when I remember we only
had 3 or 4 channels to choose from. Then after watching those shows early
on Saturdays, it was outside for the rest of the day.
>
> I now live in Victorville, which is right next to Apple Valley, where many
of the Sky King stories were centered. The old Apple Valley Airport is no
more, but for a long time you could still make out the building locations
and drive on the old crumbling asphalt of the runway. The Apple Valley Inn
still exists, which was just across Hwy 18 from the old airport. I'm glad
to hear Noel got
> to meet "Penny". It's neat to meet some of our old heroes and heroines.
> In the 80's I used to go to the same family doctor as Roy Rogers did, and
one day met him in the hallway with my younger children. What a nice man.
I'll never forget that.
>
> Happy Flying!
>
> --------
> Kitfox II, 582, Tundra Tires,
> rusty pilot.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=170845#170845
>
>
>
WOW very interesting ,what a luckey DOG...Steve Shinabery N554KF
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| Subject: | Re: cowling camloc |
Leni, ya frozen fart
This link should get ya started....the actual P/N will depend on style
and total material thickness (grip length).
Don't forget retaining rings and installation tool.
I have the normal 2600 series on the lower cowl and 2600 series w/wing head
for the upper.
http://www.milspecproducts.com/
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 3:30 PM, akflyer <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I need to order some new camlocs for my cowling mount. Does anyone have
> the part number for the camlocs ?
>
> Thanks
>
> --------
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> Leonard Perry
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C" / Mk IV
> 582 IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1260
> 95% complete
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=171543#171543
>
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| Subject: | Re: cowling camloc |
one slight problem.. i am at work and the plane is 800 miles away, making it a
tad hard for me to measure the two thicknesses. I am thinking a -5 or a -6 is
what I need just guessing on the thickness of the fiberglass cowl.
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DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
95% complete
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| Subject: | Great Lakes Area Kitfox Fly-In |
Great Lakes Area Kitfox Fly-In,,When?Sunday May 11th,2008,at 12:00pm
noon.Where?[CQA] Lake Field Airport ,Celina Ohio.we are having a BBQ for
lunch time.all so any Pilot flying in there Kitfox for the Fly-In,there
lunch is FREE.all so after lunch.we are having a BOMB Drop.and a SPOT
Landing contest.should be fun..if you do not have a kitfox.fly in what
ever you have all is welcome.you can not miss lake field airport.we are
in west central Ohio.just look for the largest lake in Ohio..Grand Lake
St.Marys. we are at the south west corner of the lake.hope to see you
there. Steve Shinabery N554KF KF2
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| Subject: | Homebuilders special tailwheel swap |
Lynn, I see the screws now on pg 96. I was looking in the instrument sectio
n. I need them to mount instruments and the radio. If you make it to the EA
A Chp #22 Cotonwood airport June fly-in and want to stay at my place over n
ight, we'd love to have you.
Pat > From: lynnmatt@jps.net> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Homebuilders specia
l tailwheel swap> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 07:50:27 -0400> To: kitfox-list@ma
ps.net>> > They are listed under "machine screws" in the index, and are on
p. > 96. Not under "brass screws" or "instrument screws" or on the same > p
age, or in the same general vicinity as the instruments, as one > would thi
nk, nor are they cross-referenced as one would hope.> Aircraft Spruce could
do itself a huge favor and do some cross- > referencing in their index for
us homebuilders, who don't always know > the proper name for something, my
self being the "leader of that > pack." : )> > > Lynn Matteson> Grass Lake,
Michigan> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200> flying w/480+ hrs/down for an
nual> > > > On Mar 20, 2008, at 10:24 PM, patrick reilly wrote:> > > Lynn,
I need some of those 6-32 instrument screws. WHere in the ACS > > catalog d
id you find them? I looked and didn't see them.> >> > Pat> >> > > From: lyn
nmatt@jps.net> > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Homebuilders special tailwheel
swap> > > Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 19:29:52 -0400> > > To: kitfox-list@matro
tt@jps.net>> > >> > > Well, wonder of wonders, Spruce finally got it right!
Or did they?> > > When I ordered mine, taking the description "bearings" t
o heart, I> > > only got one, thinking it should be two, and returned it wi
thout> > > thinking to see if it had a sleeve in it or not.> > > Good repor
t, Pat, but I think people who order the replacement> > > bearings should a
sk if they are going to get one or two bearings.> > >> > > I seem to be hav
ing a problem with getting the "right stuff" from> > > Spruce....I just rec
eived an order which included 6 brass instrument> > > screws of 6-32 size.
I only needed 4, but knowing their penchant for> > > screwing up, I ordered
2 extras. Guess what? They sent 4 8-32's and> > > 2 6-32's. The proper one
s are on the way, after a phone call.> > > Whenever I order from them, if i
t's only hardware items, I order> > > extra, but this time they really scre
wed the pooch....and I was the> > > pooch. : )> > >> > > Lynn Matteson> > >
Grass Lake, Michigan> > > Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200> > > flying w/
480+ hrs> > > do not archive> > >> > >> > > On Mar 20, 2008, at 5:52 PM, pa
trick reilly wrote:> > >> > > > Lynn, I ordered 2 of the bearings. @ bearin
g arrived in a seperate> > > > plastic package that could be cut apart but
mine were still> > > > together. ACS charged $4.95 for both, not each. I co
uldn't believe> > > > it. The bearings are sealed and look to be good quali
ty. That is> > > > dirt cheap. The bearings still needed a shim to fit down
to the> > > > axle diameter. I filed and polished until I got a good tight
slip> > > > fit. I really don't know how much I took off of the bushing OD
, as> > > > I didn't mic it before I started.> > > >> > > > Pat Reilly> > >
> Mod 3 REbuild> > > > Rockford, IL> > > >> > > > > From: lynnmatt@jps.net
> > > > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Homebuilders special tailwheel swap> >
> > > Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:49:19 -0400> > > > > To: kitfox-list@matron
> > <lynnmatt@jps.net>> > > > >> > > > > Thanks, Rex. Good info. But there
isn't a gap in mine, and if > > there> > > > > was, the inner race of the b
earing might rotate around the > > spacer/> > > > > shim, instead of being
fixed to the spacer/shim as it should > > be. The> > > > > inner race-to-sh
im fit must be a good push fit, not sloppy in > > any> > > > > way. I hope
I'm not misinterpreting you.> > > > >> > > > > Now I have a question for an
ybody that has ordered the Spruce> > > > > "longlife sealed ball bearings."
Did you, Pat? I'm curious > > about the> > > > > size of the ID of these b
earings. Did you still need the shim/> > > > spacer,> > > > > or was the ID
of these bearings .500" to fit the Maule axle?> > > > > I had ordered the
replacement "bearings"...plural...thinking > > that I> > > > > was getting
two bearings, and only one showed up. I was so > > pissed> > > > > that I w
ent to my local bearing dealer and bought bearings > > there,> > > > > and
returned the one that Spruce sent with a complaint about > > their> > > > >
poor description. Now I'm curious about whether those bearings> > > > were
a> > > > > direct fit to the Maule axle or not. If they are, there's no >
> need> > > > for> > > > > the tubing shim/spacer.> > > > >> > > > >> > > >
> Lynn Matteson> > > > > Grass Lake, Michigan> > > > > Kitfox IV Speedster
w/Jabiru 2200> > > > > flying w/480+ hrs> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >
> On Mar 19, 2008, at 10:46 PM, Rexinator wrote:> > > > >> > > > > > --> K
itfox-List message posted by: Rexinator > > <hefferans@gmail.com>> > > > >
>> > > > > > Lynn,> > > > > > Back from my Bearing shop trip. First I'll an
swer your> > > > question. By> > > > > > "gap" I meant that tiny space betw
een the O.D. of the > > spacer/shim> > > > > > and the I.D. of the bearings
through which grease would > > migrate> > > > out> > > > > > if the wheel
were to be used as designed. In other words; > > as the> > > > > > original
Maule wheel is designed by having a zerk fitting > > in the> > > > > > hub
. (Where grease in injected into the hub, but better > > bearings> > > > >
> were used). Since you used sealed bearings the zerk fitting > > is not> >
> > > > needed, but left in place. I will recommend the zerk > > fitting b
e> > > > > > replaced with a plug and will try to source a part for that.>
> > > > > I plan to replace the existing bearings with the same type > > as
you> > > > > > did, but my supplier was able to quote me a comparable > >
bearing at> > > > > > $4 each! I actually showed him the print-out from > >
BocaBearings.com> > > > > > and he used the same P/N for the quote. He onl
y had one in> > > > stock so> > > > > > I'll go back Friday to pick them up
. I did look at the one > > he had> > > > > > and it looked like the photos
. It may be another brand, but > > should> > > > > > be good. I suspect Boc
a Bearings are over priced. Perhaps > > someone> > > > > > expert about thi
s subject could comment.> > > > > > He also showed me a reducer bushing whi
ch which does the same> > > > thing> > > > > > as the spacer you and others
had to make for the 1/2" to 5/8"> > > > > > difference of the axle and bea
ring I.D. This one was made of a> > > > > > rolled steel tube which has a c
losed seam and is plated. It > > fits> > > > > > easily (perhaps too easily
) in the existing cheap bearings > > of the> > > > > > new wheel, but my ap
plication is to cut it to length to > > work as a> > > > > > internal space
r. From your text you show understanding of this> > > > > > method. I will
also add appropriate washers as spacers to > > prevent> > > > > > the nut o
r opposite axle shoulder from rubbing against the > > bearing> > > > > > se
al. The intent is to capture the wheel/bearing assembly > > on the> > > > >
> axle, not clamp it. Thus with any clamping pressure from > > improper> >
> > > > assembly the axle nut would not place any undue side load > > on t
he> > > > > > inner races. Since the axle and nut use a cotter pin the idea
> > > > is to> > > > > > fix the nut at the point where minimal side to sid
e play is> > > > > > attained. Shims may be used to fine tune the play. The
axle > > nut> > > > > > (for those not aware) is not to be tightened again
st the> > > > bearing or> > > > > > even the spacer.> > > > > >> > > > > >
Hopefully my description here shows I understand the > > concept for> > > >
> > proper wheel bearing assembly. Please, anyone, let me know > > if it's
> > > > > > not clear enough as this is practice and preliminary > > conten
t for> > > > > > the instructions to be used for the Wiki page. I will be u
sing> > > > > > photos and will add text and arrows to them where it helps.
> > > > > > Thanks in advance.> > > > > >> > > > > > --> > > > > > Rex Heff
eran> > > > > > SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs> > > > >
>> > > > > >> > > > > > Lynn Matteson wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> --> Ki
tfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson> > > > <lynnmatt@jps.net>> > > >
> >>> > > > > >> Rex-> > > > > >> I'm not sure what you meant by "The smal
l gap between the > > tube> > > > > >> spacer and inner bearing races"... T
he way I did it, there > > is no> > > > > >> small gap. The tube I used is
5/8" OD and 1/2" ID, and is > > meant> > > > > >> to be used as a "shim" be
tween the size of the shaft... > > 1/2", and> > > > > >> the ID of the bear
ings that I got, which was 5/8". The > > bearings> > > > > >> that you cite
d are already 1/2" ID, so the tube spacer is not> > > > > >> required as a
shim or sleeve. If you are using those Boca> > > > > >> bearings that you m
entioned, no sleeve is needed, but > > maybe you> > > > > >> are using it t
o prevent the inner races of the two > > bearings from> > > > > >> undo str
ess or load, if the nut is tightened too much. > > That is a> > > > > >> go
od idea. But in that circumstance, there should be no > > gap as> > > > > >
> you mentioned. Am I reading you right?> > > > > >> By the way, for those
that haven't done this Spruce > > Homebuilder's> > > > > >> tailwheel swap,
the bearings that come...or at least those > > that> > > > > >> came with
my tailwheel from Spruce...are bad news, in that > > they> > > > > >> are r
ough to the feel when turned, and when my departed > > bearing> > > > > >>
guy looked up the load application, he said they were > > meant for> > > >
> >> the speed of a hand truck, or loading dolly. And they were > > Heim> >
> > > >> bearings....once a good name in bearings and maybe still > > so,
but> > > > > >> these particular bearings don't belong in the tailwheel of
> > our> > > > > >> airplanes. These particular bearings have a sleeve in t
hem > > which> > > > > >> takes the ID down to 1/2", and when replacing the
se Heim> > > > > >> bearings, I could find the proper 1.375" OD bearing, bu
t not> > > > the .> > > > > >> 500" ID. The only bearing that was available
to the bearing> > > > > >> dealer that I dealt with was the 1.375" ID, but
with . > > 625" ID,> > > > > >> hence my use of the shim/sleeve to make up
the difference in> > > > > >> diameters between the bearing ID and axle OD
. Then, just to> > > > > >> simplify matters, I made the sleeve sort of bec
ome a > > "diameter-> > > > > >> increasing" sleeve for the axle, and slid
the wheel onto > > it. My> > > > > >> nut then bears upon this sleeve, and
does not put a > > sideways load> > > > > >> on the inner race of the beari
ngs. This is what must be > > avoided.> > > > > >> There can be no sideways
load on a normal ball bearing. > > Some ball> > > > > >> bearings are desi
gned to have a slight load on them, but I > > don't> > > > > >> think they
are in the $18 range for this size bearing.> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Lynn Ma
tteson> > > > > >> Grass Lake, Michigan> > > > > >> Kitfox IV Speedster w/J
abiru 2200> > > > > >> flying w/480+ hrs> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>
> > > > >> > > > > &======> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List_-> > > > ====
====== _-> > > > forums.matronics.com_-> > > > =====
===== _-> > > > contribution_-> > > > =========
=> > &g======================
=> > >> > >> > >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List_- >
> ========================
=========== _- > > forums.matronics.com_- > > ==
======== _- > > contribution_- > > ========
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| Subject: | Re: Sky King.... |
Rex, Noel and Jack,
My grandmother moved in with us when I was 12 yrs old and bought our 1st T
V in 1955. We lived just outside Peoria, IL. I think we had 1 channel and t
he 2nd one came in either just after or just before we got the TV. The chan
nels signed off at midnight and posted a "test pattern". Now that I think a
bout it, the test pattern had as much content as alot of the current shows.
So I guess we had 24 hour TV service. And, back then the "news" programing
actually tried to report news rather than construct it. Sorry, this is not
really Kitfox related so, Do not archive.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 Rebuild (Kitfox that is.)
Rockford, IL> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Sky King....> From: jhenryhall@mac.
com> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 23:58:05 -0700> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Hi Rex and Noel,> > First, thanks for the offer Rex. Next time we head eas
t that direction, I'll try to give a call and make a stop, especially to ge
t a peek at your plane.> > Noel, only one channel, wow. When I was growing
up in Louisiana, the tv antenna was bolted to the porch and roof. We'd go o
ut to re-point it toward the station we were trying to watch. Now days, wit
h a hundred plus satellite channels sometimes it's still boring. The more t
hings change ....> > Regards, > Jack> > --------> Kitfox II, 582, Tundra Ti
res,> rusty pilot.> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.m
====================> > >
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| Subject: | Re: Sky King.... |
"The channels signed off at midnight and posted a "test pattern". "
Right after they played the "Star Spangled Banner"..... Bring back
memories??
....and as far as Roy Rogers.....
Happy Trails...
steve benesh
KF5 012UL
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| Subject: | Re: cowling camloc |
akflyer wrote:
> I need to order some new camlocs for my cowling mount. Does anyone have the
part number for the camlocs ?
>
> Thanks
Both the Phillips head and winged camlocks that go through just two fiberglass
cowl parts, and those that go through fiberglass cowl to metal fuselage tabs on
my Classic 4 are 2600-4, grip length on those is for .120-.149. These came
with the kit from the factory.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: FL Dept Rev - Sales and Use Tax on Aircraft Owners and |
Purch...
I just saw this from AOPA:
>AOPA ASKS FOR MORATORIUM ON FLORIDA USE TAX
>Imagine that you recently bought an airplane and you want to take it on
>vacation, maybe a family trip to sunny Florida. Think again. The state
>Department of Revenue has recently been charging Florida use tax on any
>airplane that is brought to the state within six months of being bought if
>the owner did not pay at least 6-percent sales tax at the time of purchase.
>AOPA President Phil Boyer has contacted Gov. Charlie Crist, asking him to put
>a moratorium on the tax until legislators can address the problem, especially
>with so many pilots about to visit Florida for the annual Sun 'n Fun Fly-In.
>Read more on AOPA Online
>( http://www.aopa.org/advocacy/articles/2008/080320fl.html ).
Mike G.
N728KF
Phoenix, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: OT- Re: Sky King.... |
Back in the fifties our TV station played, "The Ode to Newfoundland", our
national anthem before confederation, followed by O' Canada. We still are
proud of the fact we are the only part of Canada that was it's own dominion
before confederation.
Since the late sixties our private station has been 24 hr with very few
shutdowns.
Do not archive.
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of 84KF
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Sky King....
"The channels signed off at midnight and posted a "test pattern". "
Right after they played the "Star Spangled Banner"..... Bring back
memories??
.....and as far as Roy Rogers.....
Happy Trails...
steve benesh
KF5 012UL
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| Subject: | Re: cowling camloc |
Tom Jones wrote:
>
> akflyer wrote:
> > I need to order some new camlocs for my cowling mount. Does anyone have the
part number for the camlocs ?
> >
> > Thanks
>
>
> Both the Phillips head and winged camlocks that go through just two fiberglass
cowl parts, and those that go through fiberglass cowl to metal fuselage tabs
on my Classic 4 are 2600-4, grip length on those is for .120-.149. These came
with the kit from the factory.
Thanks Tom, that was just what I needed!
--------
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
95% complete
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| Subject: | Re: OT- Re: Sky King.... |
OK OK guys! Enough with the Sky King! (LOL) Man, I thought this
thread was going to die a long time ago. :-[ Please take it off line.
Thanks,
Guy Buchanan, Kitfox List Moderator
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
At 03:10 PM 3/21/2008, you wrote:
>Back in the fifties our TV station played, "The Ode to
>Newfoundland", our national anthem before confederation, followed
>by O' Canada. We still are proud of the fact we are the only part
>of Canada that was it's own dominion before confederation.
>
>Since the late sixties our private station has been 24 hr with very
>few shutdowns.
>
>Do not archive.
>
>Noel
>
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of 84KF
>Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 6:59 PM
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Sky King....
>
>"The channels signed off at midnight and posted a "test pattern". "
>
>Right after they played the "Star Spangled Banner"..... Bring back memories??
>
>....and as far as Roy Rogers.....
>
>Happy Trails...
>
>steve benesh
>KF5 012UL
>
>
>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
>
>
>http://forums.matronics.com
>
>
>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
Guy Buchanan, Kitfox List Moderator
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Flaperons with Vortex Generators How about this Guy Buchanan |
How about this topic
Has anyone put Vortex Generators on their flaperons?
What was the outcome?
Robert
n200kf
V/0200
Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page.
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| Subject: | Re: Homebuilders special tailwheel swap |
Thanks, Pat, I'll mark it on the calendar. Man, fly-ins.com is really
makin' the announcements these days!
Lynn
do not archive
On Mar 21, 2008, at 5:02 PM, patrick reilly wrote:
> Lynn, I see the screws now on pg 96. I was looking in the
> instrument section. I need them to mount instruments and the radio.
> If you make it to the EAA Chp #22 Cotonwood airport June fly-in and
> want to stay at my place over night, we'd love to have you.
>
> Pat
>
> > From: lynnmatt@jps.net
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Homebuilders special tailwheel swap
> > Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 07:50:27 -0400
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >
> >
> > They are listed under "machine screws" in the index, and are on p.
> > 96. Not under "brass screws" or "instrument screws" or on the same
> > page, or in the same general vicinity as the instruments, as one
> > would think, nor are they cross-referenced as one would hope.
> > Aircraft Spruce could do itself a huge favor and do some cross-
> > referencing in their index for us homebuilders, who don't always
> know
> > the proper name for something, myself being the "leader of that
> > pack." : )
> >
> >
> > Lynn Matteson
> > Grass Lake, Michigan
> > Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
> > flying w/480+ hrs/down for annual
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mar 20, 2008, at 10:24 PM, patrick reilly wrote:
> >
> > > Lynn, I need some of those 6-32 instrument screws. WHere in the
> ACS
> > > catalog did you find them? I looked and didn't see them.
> > >
> > > Pat
> > >
> > > > From: lynnmatt@jps.net
> > > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Homebuilders special tailwheel swap
> > > > Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 19:29:52 -0400
> > > > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > > >
> <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> > > >
> > > > Well, wonder of wonders, Spruce finally got it right! Or did
> they?
> > > > When I ordered mine, taking the description "bearings" to
> heart, I
> > > > only got one, thinking it should be two, and returned it without
> > > > thinking to see if it had a sleeve in it or not.
> > > > Good report, Pat, but I think people who order the replacement
> > > > bearings should ask if they are going to get one or two
> bearings.
> > > >
> > > > I seem to be having a problem with getting the "right stuff"
> from
> > > > Spruce....I just received an order which included 6 brass
> instrument
> > > > screws of 6-32 size. I only needed 4, but knowing their
> penchant for
> > > > screwing up, I ordered 2 extras. Guess what? They sent 4
> 8-32's and
> > > > 2 6-32's. The proper ones are on the way, after a phone call.
> > > > Whenever I order from them, if it's only hardware items, I order
> > > > extra, but this time they really screwed the pooch....and I
> was the
> > > > pooch. : )
> > > >
> > > > Lynn Matteson
> > > > Grass Lake, Michigan
> > > > Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
> > > > flying w/480+ hrs
> > > > do not archive
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mar 20, 2008, at 5:52 PM, patrick reilly wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Lynn, I ordered 2 of the bearings. @ bearing arrived in a
> seperate
> > > > > plastic package that could be cut apart but mine were still
> > > > > together. ACS charged $4.95 for both, not each. I couldn't
> believe
> > > > > it. The bearings are sealed and look to be good quality.
> That is
> > > > > dirt cheap. The bearings still needed a shim to fit down to
> the
> > > > > axle diameter. I filed and polished until I got a good
> tight slip
> > > > > fit. I really don't know how much I took off of the bushing
> OD, as
> > > > > I didn't mic it before I started.
> > > > >
> > > > > Pat Reilly
> > > > > Mod 3 REbuild
> > > > > Rockford, IL
> > > > >
> > > > > > From: lynnmatt@jps.net
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Homebuilders special tailwheel
> swap
> > > > > > Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:49:19 -0400
> > > > > > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > > > > >
> > > <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks, Rex. Good info. But there isn't a gap in mine,
> and if
> > > there
> > > > > > was, the inner race of the bearing might rotate around the
> > > spacer/
> > > > > > shim, instead of being fixed to the spacer/shim as it should
> > > be. The
> > > > > > inner race-to-shim fit must be a good push fit, not
> sloppy in
> > > any
> > > > > > way. I hope I'm not misinterpreting you.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now I have a question for anybody that has ordered the
> Spruce
> > > > > > "longlife sealed ball bearings." Did you, Pat? I'm curious
> > > about the
> > > > > > size of the ID of these bearings. Did you still need the
> shim/
> > > > > spacer,
> > > > > > or was the ID of these bearings .500" to fit the Maule axle?
> > > > > > I had ordered the replacement "bearings"...plural...thinking
> > > that I
> > > > > > was getting two bearings, and only one showed up. I was so
> > > pissed
> > > > > > that I went to my local bearing dealer and bought bearings
> > > there,
> > > > > > and returned the one that Spruce sent with a complaint about
> > > their
> > > > > > poor description. Now I'm curious about whether those
> bearings
> > > > > were a
> > > > > > direct fit to the Maule axle or not. If they are, there's no
> > > need
> > > > > for
> > > > > > the tubing shim/spacer.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Lynn Matteson
> > > > > > Grass Lake, Michigan
> > > > > > Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
> > > > > > flying w/480+ hrs
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mar 19, 2008, at 10:46 PM, Rexinator wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > <hefferans@gmail.com>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Lynn,
> > > > > > > Back from my Bearing shop trip. First I'll answer your
> > > > > question. By
> > > > > > > "gap" I meant that tiny space between the O.D. of the
> > > spacer/shim
> > > > > > > and the I.D. of the bearings through which grease would
> > > migrate
> > > > > out
> > > > > > > if the wheel were to be used as designed. In other words;
> > > as the
> > > > > > > original Maule wheel is designed by having a zerk fitting
> > > in the
> > > > > > > hub. (Where grease in injected into the hub, but better
> > > bearings
> > > > > > > were used). Since you used sealed bearings the zerk
> fitting
> > > is not
> > > > > > > needed, but left in place. I will recommend the zerk
> > > fitting be
> > > > > > > replaced with a plug and will try to source a part for
> that.
> > > > > > > I plan to replace the existing bearings with the same type
> > > as you
> > > > > > > did, but my supplier was able to quote me a comparable
> > > bearing at
> > > > > > > $4 each! I actually showed him the print-out from
> > > BocaBearings.com
> > > > > > > and he used the same P/N for the quote. He only had one in
> > > > > stock so
> > > > > > > I'll go back Friday to pick them up. I did look at the one
> > > he had
> > > > > > > and it looked like the photos. It may be another brand,
> but
> > > should
> > > > > > > be good. I suspect Boca Bearings are over priced. Perhaps
> > > someone
> > > > > > > expert about this subject could comment.
> > > > > > > He also showed me a reducer bushing which which does
> the same
> > > > > thing
> > > > > > > as the spacer you and others had to make for the 1/2"
> to 5/8"
> > > > > > > difference of the axle and bearing I.D. This one was
> made of a
> > > > > > > rolled steel tube which has a closed seam and is
> plated. It
> > > fits
> > > > > > > easily (perhaps too easily) in the existing cheap bearings
> > > of the
> > > > > > > new wheel, but my application is to cut it to length to
> > > work as a
> > > > > > > internal spacer. >From your text you show understanding
> of this
> > > > > > > method. I will also add appropriate washers as spacers to
> > > prevent
> > > > > > > the nut or opposite axle shoulder from rubbing against the
> > > bearing
> > > > > > > seal. The intent is to capture the wheel/bearing assembly
> > > on the
> > > > > > > axle, not clamp it. Thus with any clamping pressure from
> > > improper
> > > > > > > assembly the axle nut would not place any undue side load
> > > on the
> > > > > > > inner races. Since the axle and nut use a cotter pin
> the idea
> > > > > is to
> > > > > > > fix the nut at the point where minimal side to side
> play is
> > > > > > > attained. Shims may be used to fine tune the play. The
> axle
> > > nut
> > > > > > > (for those not aware) is not to be tightened against the
> > > > > bearing or
> > > > > > > even the spacer.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hopefully my description here shows I understand the
> > > concept for
> > > > > > > proper wheel bearing assembly. Please, anyone, let me know
> > > if it's
> > > > > > > not clear enough as this is practice and preliminary
> > > content for
> > > > > > > the instructions to be used for the Wiki page. I will
> be using
> > > > > > > photos and will add text and arrows to them where it
> helps.
> > > > > > > Thanks in advance.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Rex Hefferan
> > > > > > > SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Lynn Matteson wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Rex-
> > > > > > >> I'm not sure what you meant by "The small gap between the
> > > tube
> > > > > > >> spacer and inner bearing races"... The way I did it,
> there
> > > is no
> > > > > > >> small gap. The tube I used is 5/8" OD and 1/2" ID, and is
> > > meant
> > > > > > >> to be used as a "shim" between the size of the shaft...
> > > 1/2", and
> > > > > > >> the ID of the bearings that I got, which was 5/8". The
> > > bearings
> > > > > > >> that you cited are already 1/2" ID, so the tube spacer
> is not
> > > > > > >> required as a shim or sleeve. If you are using those Boca
> > > > > > >> bearings that you mentioned, no sleeve is needed, but
> > > maybe you
> > > > > > >> are using it to prevent the inner races of the two
> > > bearings from
> > > > > > >> undo stress or load, if the nut is tightened too much.
> > > That is a
> > > > > > >> good idea. But in that circumstance, there should be no
> > > gap as
> > > > > > >> you mentioned. Am I reading you right?
> > > > > > >> By the way, for those that haven't done this Spruce
> > > Homebuilder's
> > > > > > >> tailwheel swap, the bearings that come...or at least
> those
> > > that
> > > > > > >> came with my tailwheel from Spruce...are bad news, in
> that
> > > they
> > > > > > >> are rough to the feel when turned, and when my departed
> > > bearing
> > > > > > >> guy looked up the load application, he said they were
> > > meant for
> > > > > > >> the speed of a hand truck, or loading dolly. And they
> were
> > > Heim
> > > > > > >> bearings....once a good name in bearings and maybe still
> > > so, but
> > > > > > >> these particular bearings don't belong in the
> tailwheel of
> > > our
> > > > > > >> airplanes. These particular bearings have a sleeve in
> them
> > > which
> > > > > > >> takes the ID down to 1/2", and when replacing these Heim
> > > > > > >> bearings, I could find the proper 1.375" OD bearing,
> but not
> > > > > the .
> > > > > > >> 500" ID. The only bearing that was available to the
> bearing
> > > > > > >> dealer that I dealt with was the 1.375" ID, but with .
> > > 625" ID,
> > > > > > >> hence my use of the shim/sleeve to make up the
> difference in
> > > > > > >> diameters between the bearing ID and axle OD. Then,
> just to
> > > > > > >> simplify matters, I made the sleeve sort of become a
> > > "diameter-
> > > > > > >> increasing" sleeve for the axle, and slid the wheel onto
> > > it. My
> > > > > > >> nut then bears upon this sleeve, and does not put a
> > > sideways load
> > > > > > >> on the inner race of the bearings. This is what must be
> > > avoided.
> > > > > > >> There can be no sideways load on a normal ball bearing.
> > > Some ball
> > > > > > >> bearings are designed to have a slight load on them,
> but I
> > > don't
> > > > > > >> think they are in the $18 range for this size bearing.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Lynn Matteson
> > > > > > >> Grass Lake, Michigan
> > > > > > >> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
> > > > > > >> flying w/480+ hrs
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > &=====
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> > > > > >
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| Subject: | Re: Sky King.... |
The local channel from Lansing, Mich. also played "High Flight"
before signing off....I wonder if that's what started it all in this
once-young mind?
Lynn
do not archive
On Mar 21, 2008, at 5:28 PM, 84KF wrote:
> "The channels signed off at midnight and posted a "test pattern". "
>
> Right after they played the "Star Spangled Banner"..... Bring back
> memories??
>
> ....and as far as Roy Rogers.....
>
> Happy Trails...
>
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| Subject: | Re: OT- Re: Sky King.... |
Once upon a time at a Nascar race here in Michigan, they were playing
our National Anthem, followed by "O, Canada", (because Canada is
close-by) and I made the remark "I think I like the sound of O Canada
better than I do our Anthem"....man, you'da thought I set fire to our
flag! A couple of my veteran buddies climbed all over me. I told them
all I meant was the tune, not what it stood for...sheeesh!
Lynn
do not archive
On Mar 21, 2008, at 6:10 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
> Back in the fifties our TV station played, The Ode to
> Newfoundland, our national anthem before confederation, followed
> by O Canada. We still are proud of the fact we are the only part
> of Canada that was its own dominion before confederation.
>
>
> Since the late sixties our private station has been 24 hr with very
> few shutdowns.
>
>
> Do not archive.
>
>
> Noel
>
>
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-
> list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of 84KF
> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 6:59 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Sky King....
>
>
> "The channels signed off at midnight and posted a "test pattern". "
>
>
> Right after they played the "Star Spangled Banner"..... Bring back
> memories??
>
>
> ....and as far as Roy Rogers.....
>
>
> Happy Trails...
>
>
> steve benesh
>
> KF5 012UL
>
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Which style are you looking for, the flush mount or winged style?
Ray> Subject: Kitfox-List: cowling camloc> From: akflyer_2000@yahoo.com> Da
te: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 12:30:10 -0700> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> > --> K
itfox-List message posted by: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>> > I need
to order some new camlocs for my cowling mount. Does anyone have the part n
umber for the camlocs ?> > Thanks> > --------> DO NOT ARCHIVE> Leonard Perr
y> Soldotna AK> Avid "C" / Mk IV > 582 IVO IFA> Full Lotus 1260>
95% complete> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matroni
==================> > >
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| Subject: | Re: cowling camloc |
kitfoxpilot(at)msn.com wrote:
> Which style are you looking for, the flush mount or winged style?
>
> Ray
the phillips head. I ordered from AC spruce today.
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DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
95% complete
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| Subject: | Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? |
Great! Glad to hear it. Maybe we can all rendezvous.
Travis :)
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Travis Rayner
Mobile, AL
Skystar Vixen, N-789DF
Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop
IFR with Autopilot
AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather
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