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Mon 03/24/08


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     1. 01:29 AM - Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs (dave)
     2. 01:34 AM - Re: Inspecting Spars & Struts (dave)
     3. 05:50 AM - Re: King Fox Tires (Catz631@aol.com)
     4. 06:14 AM - Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs (vetdrem)
     5. 06:24 AM - Re: Re: Tachometer (Lynn Matteson)
     6. 06:38 AM - Re: King Fox Tires (Lynn Matteson)
     7. 07:01 AM - Re: King Fox Tires (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
     8. 07:47 AM - Re: King Fox Tires (akflyer)
     9. 08:22 AM - Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? (Mdkitfox@aol.com)
    10. 08:38 AM - Re: Warp drive size? (jdmcbean)
    11. 08:38 AM - VG's on Flaperon Re: Re: Flaperons with Vortex Generators (Robert Harris)
    12. 08:39 AM - Re: Re: Flaperons with Vortex Generators How about this Guy Buchanan (Robert Harris)
    13. 08:54 AM - Re: King Fox Tires (eskflyer)
    14. 09:04 AM - Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? (fox5flyer)
    15. 09:10 AM - VG's on Flaperon Re: Flaperons with Vortex Generators (akflyer)
    16. 10:15 AM - Re: Tachometer (Marco Menezes)
    17. 10:35 AM - Re: Re: Tachometer (84KF)
    18. 11:26 AM - Re: Re: Tachometer (Lynn Matteson)
    19. 11:26 AM - Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs (dholly)
    20. 11:34 AM - Re: Warp drive size? (jdmcbean)
    21. 12:10 PM - Rotax 582 Starter Problem? (Guy Buchanan)
    22. 12:33 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? (FlyboyTR)
    23. 12:38 PM - Re: Re: Tachometer (Noel Loveys)
    24. 12:47 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? (FlyboyTR)
    25. 01:22 PM - OT : Tachometer Tape (Noel Loveys)
    26. 01:40 PM - Rotax 582 Starter Problem? (fox5flyer)
    27. 02:54 PM - Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs (dave)
    28. 02:55 PM - skis (Pat Reilly)
    29. 02:59 PM - Re: King Fox Tires (dave)
    30. 03:01 PM - Re: Rotax 582 Starter Problem? (dave)
    31. 03:08 PM - Re: Tachometer (SkySteve)
    32. 03:15 PM - Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs (vetdrem)
    33. 03:28 PM - Re: skis (Dee Young)
    34. 03:39 PM - Re: Rotax 582 Starter Problem? (akflyer)
    35. 03:39 PM - Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs (dave)
    36. 03:43 PM - Re: Rotax 582 Starter Problem? (dave)
    37. 03:50 PM - Re: Rotax 582 Starter Problem? (akflyer)
    38. 04:07 PM - Re: Rotax 582 Starter Problem? (David Dawe)
    39. 04:20 PM - Re: Re: Tachometer (Noel Loveys)
    40. 04:34 PM - Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs (vetdrem)
    41. 04:38 PM - Re: Re: Rotax 582 Starter Problem? (Noel Loveys)
    42. 04:38 PM - Re: Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs (Noel Loveys)
    43. 05:14 PM - Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs (dave)
    44. 05:19 PM - Re: Rotax 582 Starter Problem? (dave)
    45. 05:28 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: Safety (jdmcbean)
    46. 05:46 PM - Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs (vetdrem)
    47. 05:47 PM - Re: Re: Inspecting Spars & Struts (Cudnohufsky's)
    48. 05:53 PM - Re: VG's on Flaperon Re: Re: Flaperons with Vortex Generators (James Shumaker)
    49. 06:38 PM - Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs (dholly)
    50. 07:02 PM - Bypassing the muffler heat cuff? (FlyboyTR)
    51. 07:10 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: Safety (FlyboyTR)
    52. 07:24 PM - Re: first flight (Eric)
    53. 07:25 PM - Re: Inspecting Spars & Struts (akflyer)
    54. 08:08 PM - Re: skis (LarryM)
    55. 08:26 PM - Re: skis (Lynn Matteson)
    56. 08:32 PM - gas cap leaks (dcsfoto)
    57. 08:40 PM - Wiki page "Homebuilders Tailwheel Install" (Rexinator)
    58. 08:43 PM - 26" bushwheels Re: VG's on Flaperon Re: Flaperons with Vortex Generators (Robert Harris)
    59. 08:51 PM - Re: skis (patrick reilly)
    60. 08:53 PM - Re: Re: skis (patrick reilly)
    61. 11:14 PM - Re: Re: Rotax 582 Starter Problem? (Guy Buchanan)
 
 
 


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    Time: 01:29:25 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs
    From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
    Louie, Good stuff if you got the boxed trailing arms already but check all welds etc . Also I had one float where the top link ( where the pulley attaches) break out of the fiberglass. The cloth was dry so I can only assume it was never soaked with resin and it was weak there. The 1100s were originally a straight float and once you add the amphib gear to them it detracts away from being a 1100 displacement and more like a 1050 or a bit less. This is partly why they sit low in the water on the nose. No big deal unless you had a heavy engine. But it does cut the time to get on step when loaded. Other than that good float and handles very well on the ground ,water and in the air. How many hours are on yours? What does Jim want for the Aerocet package now? Can you post his contact info or email me it . I have a few parts I need that he might have. -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172143#172143


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    Time: 01:34:52 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Inspecting Spars & Struts
    From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
    > inspect the wing spar and/or lift struts, other than just looking from the outside. > The lift struts are buried in their fairings and, of course, the spars are under the fabric Hopefully you can remove your fairings to check rods ends and bolts. No much you can do on a covered plane other than check for security of ribs by trying to move them from outside. I looked at a Kitfox a few years ago that had been flipped and sunk while on floats. It was pulled out and never opened up and had no drain holes or seaplane grommets. When I grabbed the front and rear of wing at the tip i could actually twist the wing as it seemed that the ribs had become insecure or rotten inside. It was actually mushy feeling. Owner did not want to talk to me after I told him that. -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172144#172144


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    Time: 05:50:10 AM PST US
    From: Catz631@aol.com
    Subject: Re: King Fox Tires
    Good comeback Leonard ! Laughed my butt off ! Please excuse me guys. I am new to this list and to the airplane.I don't know alot of things about this aircraft,but I will. I have the original wheels(chrome) which I assume are Douglas one piece wheels.The shaved tires I have on them are ATV 20x7x8 and I would like to replace them as they are rather "long in the tooth" .I liked the look of the KingFox tires and now that I know that the Nanking tires are the same,I will order them.My only other questions are: 1. Will they fit the stock wheels with no problem? 2. Do I need tubes and will the stems shear off do to low pressure and tire/tube movement or is this a minor problem. Would a bead adhesive as used in jeeps help. I don't fly off rough ground.My airstrip is grass so I won't be in the bush.( except when the people at the airpark get in a pissing contest over who is going to mow the grass which happens often) Occasionally I fly off of pavement. And besides, these tires look cool! I am sending my elevator off to a small company to have an elevator trim installed. They will skin the elevator,reweld the tubing and install the trim servo/tab and then cover & paint back to silver. I am tired of the continuous back pressure required on approach. (lazy butt I guess) Also my oil pressure gauge is 12 lbs off so it will go back to Westburg and finally I can install the Nanking tires. Dick Maddux Fox4-1200 Pensacola,Fl **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001)


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    Time: 06:14:07 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs
    From: "vetdrem" <vetdrem@hotmail.com>
    I think that he said that he wants to get $11,000 for everything. His cell number is (920) 493-4777, he said that he doesn't have a signal a lot of the time (works in a metal building) but to just leave a message and he will return the call. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172172#172172


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    Time: 06:24:13 AM PST US
    From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
    Subject: Re: Tachometer
    Steve- Also, the friction tape, probably now residing in the Smithsonian, was once the only thing used on hockey sticks. Being a Michigander, Steve, you should have known this. : ) Bonus info: In the dark, if you quickly pull some friction tape off the roll, you will see a static "light show" right where the pulled tape leaves the roll. One can amuse oneself for hours while watching this phenomenon. : ) This also works with other tapes as well. Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/480+ hrs/down for annual do not archive On Mar 23, 2008, at 10:47 PM, 84KF wrote: > Thanks for the clarification.... : ) > > Actually..., we do use clear nail polish in the restoration shop. > Wires are often wrapped an\or bundled using the old fashion > "friction tape"..., you know, the sticky black stuff that we used > as kids to re-wrap worn baseballs. After the wraping\bundeling is > complete, the tape is coated with the clear polish to seal the tape > from moisture. Looks good, and lasts for years. This is standard in > the military maintenance manuals from the '40's, except they > specify clear industrial lacquer. No tie-wraps in an "original" > Stearman or T-6 > The little bottle of polish is easier to work with, and lives in > the tool box quite nice. > > Steve Benesh A&P,I.A. > KF5\912UL > > > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _- > www.matronics.com/contribution _- > ===========================================================


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    Time: 06:38:08 AM PST US
    From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
    Subject: Re: King Fox Tires
    Hi Dick- I think you'll find that the Douglas wheels are not really chromed, but polished aluminum...I might be wrong, but my two pairs are both polished aluminum, and both one-piece. By the way, Dick, I got my TruTrak ADI, and have it installed...thanks for your input several weeks ago. Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/480+ hrs/down for annual do not archive On Mar 24, 2008, at 8:43 AM, Catz631@aol.com wrote: > Good comeback Leonard ! Laughed my butt off ! Please excuse me > guys. I am new to this list and to the airplane.I don't know alot > of things about this aircraft,but I will. I have the original wheels > (chrome) which I assume are Douglas one piece wheels.The shaved > tires I have on them are ATV 20x7x8 and I would like to replace > them as they are rather "long in the tooth" .I liked the look of > the KingFox tires and now that I know that the Nanking tires are > the same,I will order them.My only other questions are: > 1. Will they fit the stock wheels with > no problem? > 2. Do I need tubes and will the stems > shear off do to low pressure and > tire/tube movement or is this a > minor problem. Would a bead adhesive as used in jeeps help. > > I don't fly off rough ground.My airstrip is grass so I won't be in > the bush.( except when the people at the airpark get in a pissing > contest over who is going to mow the grass which happens often) > Occasionally I fly off of pavement. And besides, these tires look > cool! > I am sending my elevator off to a small company to have an > elevator trim installed. They will skin the elevator,reweld the > tubing and install the trim servo/tab and then cover & paint back > to silver. I am tired of the continuous back pressure required on > approach. (lazy butt I guess) Also my oil pressure gauge is 12 lbs > off so it will go back to Westburg and finally I can install the > Nanking tires. > > Dick Maddux > Fox4-1200 > Pensacola,Fl > > > Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. > <ebay 029.jpg>


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    Time: 07:01:55 AM PST US
    From: Jim_and_Lucy Chuk <thesupe@hotmail.com>
    Subject: King Fox Tires
    I have the Kingfox tires on my MK IV and they fit on the Douglas wheels jus t fine. I don't have tubes in them, but I do have slow leaks that I can't get rid of if I run at rather low pressure. Tubes might be a good idea, bu t there is the extra weight and $. Jim Chuk Avids, Mn From: Catz631@aol.comDate: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 08:43:43 -0400Subject: Re: Kitf ox-List: King Fox TiresTo: kitfox-list@matronics.com Good comeback Leonard ! Laughed my butt off ! Please excuse me guys. I am n ew to this list and to the airplane.I don't know alot of things about this aircraft,but I will. I have the original wheels(chrome) which I assume are Douglas one piece wheels.The shaved tires I have on them are ATV 20x7x8 and I would like to replace them as they are rather "long in the tooth" .I lik ed the look of the KingFox tires and now that I know that the Nanking tires are the same,I will order them.My only other questions are: 1. Will they fit the stock wheels with no prob lem? 2. Do I need tubes and will the stems shear of f do to low pressure and tire/tube movement or is this a minor prob lem. Would a bead adhesive as used in jeeps help. I don't fly off rough ground.My airstrip is grass so I won't be in the bush .( except when the people at the airpark get in a pissing contest over who is going to mow the grass which happens often) Occasionally I fly off of pa vement. And besides, these tires look cool! I am sending my elevator off to a small company to have an elevator trim i nstalled. They will skin the elevator,reweld the tubing and install the tri m servo/tab and then cover & paint back to silver. I am tired of the contin uous back pressure required on approach. (lazy butt I guess) Also my oil p ressure gauge is 12 lbs off so it will go back to Westburg and finally I ca n install the Nanking tires. Dick Maddux Fox4-1200 Pensacola,Fl Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. _________________________________________________________________ In a rush? Get real-time answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refr esh_realtime_042008


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    Time: 07:47:39 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: King Fox Tires
    From: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
    Grumpy Guss has a slow leak in one of his tires also when run at anything under 8 PSI. I would think that using a bead sealant would take care of it. If you are just landing on grass strips, with the occasional runway landing, you may want to stick with the higher pressure. If you are running low pressure, you better be on your toes when you touch down on pavement or asphalt as they will grab and roll on you making for an interesting ride. My first flight was in a PA-12 with 31" air streaks at 2 PSI. My first landing was on asphalt. I had to buy the instructor a new pair of jeans when that ride was over. After that I stuck to grass strips and off airport landings with that plane. Now it is not a big deal unless you have a cross wind to deal with. -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE Leonard Perry Soldotna AK Avid &quot;C&quot; / Mk IV 582 IVO IFA Full Lotus 1260 95% complete Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172202#172202


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    Time: 08:22:25 AM PST US
    From: Mdkitfox@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans?
    Deke, The Florida tax thing is far fetched. I've been reading the ANN and trying to follow the story of the Florida tax. I finally got fed up with the accusations and obvious attempt to destroy SNF, so being a concerned Florida resident I called the Florida Department of Revenue this morning and talked (first hand) to Curt, who Campbell quoted. The bottom line is there is 'some' tru th to what Campbell is reporting, but is it the whole truth? According to Curt, the FL DOR is not out to get anyone. As I understand it, the tax the y are trying to collect is on aircraft that are owned by Florida residents and registered is some other place with no tie to that State, such as Delaware (where there is no tax(?),) but the aircraft primarily used in Florida. This is a n obvious attempt by someone to avoid paying the Florida sales tax. Also, this is pretty much aimed at new aircraft, i.e. an aircraft less than 6 mon ths old. The FL DOR is not running around checking every N number. Most of th e high profile cases are initiated by the tax departments of other states alerting Florida to the situation. (That alone is scary. The states Tax departments talking to each other.) Certainly he couldn't give me details about the cases, but it sure sounds like FL is doing their job and it's getting blown out of proportion. If someone wants to come here for SNF and is worried about this, don't take my word for it, call Curt yourself and get the assurances you need to feel good. Here is FL DOR number: 1-850-487-3273. By the way, with regard to Revolution helicopters, I think Campbell, despit e his many peculiarities, did the aviation community a service. He brought together many government and industry folks and placed them in a forum wher e they could discuss the issues surrounding that company's product. I was th ere and as much as I don't really want to, I'll give him his due, he hosted and funded that effort, which was totally objective and not distorted by him. Simultaneously another effort was underway that was more official. If I remember they both reached similar conclusions. Ultimately, Revolution san k on it's own. As for SNF, Campbell has a long standing feud with SNF that started long before John Burton took it over. I know John and he is honest as the day i s long, as is assistant, Wayne Boggs. I would always trust those guys. As f or Jim Campbell, it all depends which Jim shows up. One is very good at what he does and the other is off the wall and you need to watch your 6, if you kno w what I mean. Hope to see you at SNF. Rick Weiss Series V Speedster - N39RW, 912S Power DO NOT ARCHIVE In a message dated 3/20/2008 8:06:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, fox5flyer@idealwifi.net writes: For many years I've been following the saga of Zoom Campbell, owner, editor , publisher of ANN (Aero News Network). Zoom has definitely created an armload of enemies at SNF, but as in most other cases where accusations are made, there are always two sides to the stories. Of course, if it's printed on t he Internet in various forums like bloggers, forums, groups, "email lists", etc., it all has to be true! I'm definitely not defending him, but one nee ds to remember to approach Internet "facts" with a healthy dose of skepticism. O ne person on a mission with good keyboard skills can do a pretty good job of vilifying pretty much anyone, Zoom included. Some people credit him with single handedly destroying the Revolution helicopter business, but not kill ing all those who died in them. As for the FL tax on airplanes, it sounds to me a bit far fetched, but ther e may be some shred of truth in it. More info is needed. Deke Morisse Mikado Michigan S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress." - Joseph Joubert do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: _JC Propeller Design_ (mailto:propellerdesign@tele2.se) Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 3:30 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? Be aware of the owners of ANN versus SNF story, it is long and fun, or sad story if you want. He is banned from SNF don't trust everything or anything you read, not even this. _http://www.silverstatenews.com/0_ANN_Rocket_Racing_League/Jim_ Campbell_Page/index.htm_ (http://www.silverstatenews.com/0_ANN_Rocket_Racing_League/Jim_Campbell_Page /index.htm) _http://www.silverstatenews.com/The_Extremist!/Jim_Campbell_Page/index2.htm_ (http://www.silverstatenews.com/The_Extremist!/Jim_Campbell_Page/index2.htm) _http://www.waterworkscase.com/Jim_Campbell's_Misconduct/page8.htm_ (http://www.waterworkscase.com/Jim_Campbell's_Misconduct/page8.htm) _http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Rec/rec.aviation.homebuilt/2006-01/ ms g00858.html_ (http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Rec/rec.aviation.homebuilt/2006-01/ msg00858.html) _http://eclipseaviationcritic.blogspot.com/2006/09/visions-of-sugar-plums-da nc e-in-their.html_ (http://eclipseaviationcritic.blogspot.com/2006/09/visions-of-sugar-plums-da nce-in-their.html) ----- Original Message ----- From: _Donroutledge@aol.com_ (mailto:Donroutledge@aol.com) Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 1:20 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? Guys, The Florida tax plan on airplanes is on Aero News Network on 03/14/2008. You can recover the archive from the location at the bottom of the page. It is the third article down "Florida Tax Ripoffs... " Don't fly your airplane to Florida until you read this Don In a message dated 3/19/2008 6:28:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, _GONER752@aol.com_ (mailto:GONER752@aol.com) writes: I also receive Aero news network. I can confirm Don's post. I couldn't believe what I was reading, Crazy nutso,right? But there it was in electron ic black and white. The article went on to say that SNF had been declining for years and this could be the proverbial stake in the heart. The article also noted that an inquiry by phone to SNF staff received less than forthcoming answer s. Could this possibly be true? I checked both AOPA and EAA sites, but could find no substantiating stories. I guess if I was planning to fly my brand n ew plane to SNF(I wish), I'd be digging deeper till I found out for sure. If anyone finds out if this state revenue generating gone berserk is true, ple ase let everyone know. Greg G. In a message dated 3/19/2008 6:14:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Donroutledge@aol.com writes: If your going to Fun and Sun and you have owned your aircraft less than 6 months, the desperate state of Florida can(WILL) TAX you up to $30,000, YES THIRTY THOUSAND DOLLARS for just being in Florida. I just read this on Aero -News Network last week. I went to their archives so I could tell you exactly whe n it ran but their web site is down. Here is an example; If you bought your airplane in Michigan and paid $2500 tax on it, the state of Florida will ta x you $30000 and will return $2500 to you. However, the burden of proof is on you. I don't recall if $30000 is the top or bottom cap but if you have owne d the plane less than 6 months, and they catch you there, THEY WILL TAX YOU!! !!! Don Routledge 731 614 3951(real name and phone so you know I am not spammin g you all.) In a message dated 3/19/2008 3:53:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time, lynnmatt@jps.net writes: Ooooh, S'n'F's soundin' better all the time. I'm planning on the Homebuilt Camping, but according to Travis, some Sport Planes are camping in the Ultralight area. So my plans aren't fixed just yet, but probably the Homebuilt Camp is a pretty good bet, as it's more descriptive of what I've got. Let's get together off- list and exchange cell numbers. Remember, I owe you a cigar. I wonder if they allow for open fires? Gotta bring my tiki torches and get busted again. : ) Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/480+ hrs do not archive On Mar 19, 2008, at 4:25 PM, Marco Menezes wrote: > Where are you gonna camp Lynn? I'm going to FL for a wedding in > Miami and have planned a night in Lakeland and a day at SNF. Let me > know where you'll be and I'll look you up, buy you a beer or 3. > > do not archive > > Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson > > Count me in, Travis. A friend and I are gonna try it again, he in a > C150, and hope to get beyond our shutdown (chicken out) point of last > year...Scott County Airport, Tennessee. > We may not leave until Saturday, the 5th...not sure yet. Oh, wait, > you said Friday the 11th! Just for the weekend, eh? > > I'm going to S-N-F, but my friend is flying into Zephyrhills airport > and getting a car from there. I'll be camping at S-N-F. What is the > difference between the two locations that you mentioned as far as > camping/distance is concerned? > > I wouldn't mind landing in Mobile, AL, as I have yet to land in > Alabama, and I need it as part of my tentative 49-state landing > goal...eventual landing goal. : ) > Please send info to me at least, Travis...privately, unless you have > a big enough demand that warrants list posting. > Hot damn...I'm gettin' excited! > > Lynn Matteson > Grass Lake, Michigan > Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 > flying w/480+ hrs > > > On Mar 19, 2008, at 2:11 PM, FlyboyTR wrote: > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "FlyboyTR" > > > > Who is going to Sun-N-Fun? > > > > We are planning on flying to Sun-N-Fun again this year. Last year > > we camped in the Homebuilt Camping area. Not too bad. This year > > we are returning to our rootsof many years ago and land and ca mp > > in the Ultralight Area (it is now mostly Sport Planes). That is a > > little closer to the facilities and not so far out! > > > > Our tentative plans, weather permitting, will be to depart Mobile, > > AL on Friday, 4/11/08, around daybreak or earlier. We=99ll land a t > > Quincy, FL (2J9, just northwest of Tallahassee) for fuel and a > > short break. From there we will fly direct to SNF. Our departure > > from SNF will be Sunday morning, 4/13/08, for the return flight > > back home. > > > > Do we have any other Kitfox=99s on the forum that will be flying > > (or driving) to SNF? If so, please share your plans! 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    Time: 08:38:04 AM PST US
    From: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@kitfoxaircraft.com>
    Subject: Warp drive size?
    George, Should have giving us a shout for your prop.. We are distributors for both IVO and Warp. As for the IVO.. you can cut them down Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean 208.337.5111 www.kitfoxaircraft.com "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of SUE MICHAELS Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 8:37 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Warp drive size? Had a chat with the Kitfox people at air adventure last year in regards to that very question. They tried both 70 and 72" on their factory plane an said the 70" is faster at cruise and the 72" better at climb. 72" if your thinking about floats. I should have contacted the Ivoprop to see if they would cut a 71". That would be interesting! I just received my new 70" electric Ivoprop this month and would love to try / buy a 72" cut down to 71". Anyone interested in a 70" electric Ivoprop. I believe they are about 3 months behind on orders. Checked by AVG. 6:50 PM


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    Time: 08:38:45 AM PST US
    From: Robert Harris <kitfox_robert@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Flaperons with Vortex Generators
    Yes, I want to put Vortex Generators on my Flaperons, main wing, and around the tail feathers. If nobody has done yet I'll let you know what my findings are later this summer. Clint are you done with your VG write up and could you tell me where I could find it? I like to read it. Dave in Ontario said they did not do much for him but I think he is flying with the early model Wing like a model III. Robert San Diego V/0200 ----- Original Message ---- From: akflyer <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 4:51:19 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Flaperons with Vortex Generators How about this Guy Buchana According to the Avid flight manual, after 23 degrees of flap when you input aileron, the down aileron creates too much drag and will pull the plane around to that side. you input left aileron and the plane goes right... When I an at low speeds and pulling flaps must turning is with the rudder anyway. -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE Leonard Perry Soldotna AK Avid &quot;C&quot; / Mk IV 582 IVO IFA Full Lotus 1260 95% complete Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172043#172043 Looking for last minute shopping deals?


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    Time: 08:39:34 AM PST US
    From: Robert Harris <kitfox_robert@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Flaperons with Vortex Generators How about this
    Guy Buchanan Clint how's your VG report coming? ----- Original Message ---- From: Clint Bazzill <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 3:09:57 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Flaperons with Vortex Generators How about this Guy Buchanan Please tell me more about this control reversal? Clint > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Flaperons with Vortex Generators How about this Guy Buchanan > From: akflyer_2000@yahoo.com > Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 08:24:02 -0700 > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > > > are you talking about actually putting the VGs on the flaperons in addition to putting them on the wings? I wonder if that would do anything to help the control reversal? > > -------- > DO NOT ARCHIVE > Leonard Perry > Soldotna AK > Avid &quot;C&quot; / Mk IV > 582 IVO IFA > Full Lotus 1260 > 95% complete > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=171948#171948 > > > > &====================== &g= > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals?


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    Time: 08:54:47 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: King Fox Tires
    From: "eskflyer" <eskflyer@yahoo.com>
    Grumpy Guss's brothers kids dont play fair. lol . Douglas wheels are not chrome just aluminum. King fox tires are great on sand rocks grass and work great on the runway also. Yes mine have a small leak but i cannot find from where I used a bead sealant and still did not help. Just run around 6-8 pounds and you have a great off airport tire. -------- FLY FUN FLY LOW FLY SLOW John Perry Kitfox 2 N718PD 582 cbox 2:62-1 IVO IFA 1220 Full Lotus Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172234#172234


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    Time: 09:04:01 AM PST US
    From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
    Subject: Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans?
    Thanks Rick. Good research. That should give some closure to this. Deke do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Mdkitfox@aol.com To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 11:19 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? Deke, The Florida tax thing is far fetched. I've been reading the ANN and trying to follow the story of the Florida tax. I finally got fed up with the accusations and obvious attempt to destroy SNF, so being a concerned Florida resident I called the Florida Department of Revenue this morning and talked (first hand) to Curt, who Campbell quoted. The bottom line is there is 'some' truth to what Campbell is reporting, but is it the whole truth? According to Curt, the FL DOR is not out to get anyone. As I understand it, the tax they are trying to collect is on aircraft that are owned by Florida residents and registered is some other place with no tie to that State, such as Delaware (where there is no tax(?),) but the aircraft primarily used in Florida. This is an obvious attempt by someone to avoid paying the Florida sales tax. Also, this is pretty much aimed at new aircraft, i.e. an aircraft less than 6 months old. The FL DOR is not running around checking every N number. Most of the high profile cases are initiated by the tax departments of other states alerting Florida to the situation. (That alone is scary. The states Tax departments talking to each other.) Certainly he couldn't give me details about the cases, but it sure sounds like FL is doing their job and it's getting blown out of proportion. If someone wants to come here for SNF and is worried about this, don't take my word for it, call Curt yourself and get the assurances you need to feel good. Here is FL DOR number: 1-850-487-3273. By the way, with regard to Revolution helicopters, I think Campbell, despite his many peculiarities, did the aviation community a service. He brought together many government and industry folks and placed them in a forum where they could discuss the issues surrounding that company's product. I was there and as much as I don't really want to, I'll give him his due, he hosted and funded that effort, which was totally objective and not distorted by him. Simultaneously another effort was underway that was more official. If I remember they both reached similar conclusions. Ultimately, Revolution sank on it's own. As for SNF, Campbell has a long standing feud with SNF that started long before John Burton took it over. I know John and he is honest as the day is long, as is assistant, Wayne Boggs. I would always trust those guys. As for Jim Campbell, it all depends which Jim shows up. One is very good at what he does and the other is off the wall and you need to watch your 6, if you know what I mean. Hope to see you at SNF. Rick Weiss Series V Speedster - N39RW, 912S Power DO NOT ARCHIVE In a message dated 3/20/2008 8:06:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, fox5flyer@idealwifi.net writes: For many years I've been following the saga of Zoom Campbell, owner, editor, publisher of ANN (Aero News Network). Zoom has definitely created an armload of enemies at SNF, but as in most other cases where accusations are made, there are always two sides to the stories. Of course, if it's printed on the Internet in various forums like bloggers, forums, groups, "email lists", etc., it all has to be true! I'm definitely not defending him, but one needs to remember to approach Internet "facts" with a healthy dose of skepticism. One person on a mission with good keyboard skills can do a pretty good job of vilifying pretty much anyone, Zoom included. Some people credit him with single handedly destroying the Revolution helicopter business, but not killing all those who died in them. As for the FL tax on airplanes, it sounds to me a bit far fetched, but there may be some shred of truth in it. More info is needed. Deke Morisse Mikado Michigan S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress." - Joseph Joubert do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: JC Propeller Design To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 3:30 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? Be aware of the owners of ANN versus SNF story, it is long and fun, or sad story if you want. He is banned from SNF don't trust everything or anything you read, not even this. http://www.silverstatenews.com/0_ANN_Rocket_Racing_League/Jim_Campbell_Pa ge/index.htm http://www.silverstatenews.com/The_Extremist!/Jim_Campbell_Page/index2.ht m http://www.waterworkscase.com/Jim_Campbell's_Misconduct/page8.htm http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Rec/rec.aviation.homebuilt/2006-0 1/msg00858.html http://eclipseaviationcritic.blogspot.com/2006/09/visions-of-sugar-plums- dance-in-their.html ----- Original Message ----- From: Donroutledge@aol.com To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 1:20 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? Guys, The Florida tax plan on airplanes is on Aero News Network on 03/14/2008. You can recover the archive from the location at the bottom of the page. It is the third article down "Florida Tax Ripoffs... " Don't fly your airplane to Florida until you read this Don In a message dated 3/19/2008 6:28:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, GONER752@aol.com writes: I also receive Aero news network. I can confirm Don's post. I couldn't believe what I was reading, Crazy nutso,right? But there it was in electronic black and white. The article went on to say that SNF had been declining for years and this could be the proverbial stake in the heart. The article also noted that an inquiry by phone to SNF staff received less than forthcoming answers. Could this possibly be true? I checked both AOPA and EAA sites, but could find no substantiating stories. I guess if I was planning to fly my brand new plane to SNF(I wish), I'd be digging deeper till I found out for sure. If anyone finds out if this state revenue generating gone berserk is true, please let everyone know. Greg G. In a message dated 3/19/2008 6:14:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Donroutledge@aol.com writes: If your going to Fun and Sun and you have owned your aircraft less than 6 months, the desperate state of Florida can(WILL) TAX you up to $30,000, YES THIRTY THOUSAND DOLLARS for just being in Florida. I just read this on Aero-News Network last week. I went to their archives so I could tell you exactly when it ran but their web site is down. Here is an example; If you bought your airplane in Michigan and paid $2500 tax on it, the state of Florida will tax you $30000 and will return $2500 to you. However, the burden of proof is on you. I don't recall if $30000 is the top or bottom cap but if you have owned the plane less than 6 months, and they catch you there, THEY WILL TAX YOU!!!!! Don Routledge 731 614 3951(real name and phone so you know I am not spamming you all.) In a message dated 3/19/2008 3:53:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time, lynnmatt@jps.net writes: <lynnmatt@jps.net> Ooooh, S'n'F's soundin' better all the time. I'm planning on the Homebuilt Camping, but according to Travis, some Sport Planes are camping in the Ultralight area. So my plans aren't fixed just yet, but probably the Homebuilt Camp is a pretty good bet, as it's more descriptive of what I've got. Let's get together off- list and exchange cell numbers. Remember, I owe you a cigar. I wonder if they allow for open fires? Gotta bring my tiki torches and get busted again. : ) Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/480+ hrs do not archive On Mar 19, 2008, at 4:25 PM, Marco Menezes wrote: > Where are you gonna camp Lynn? I'm going to FL for a wedding in > Miami and have planned a night in Lakeland and a day at SNF. Let me > know where you'll be and I'll look you up, buy you a beer or 3. > > do not archive > > Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote: > > Count me in, Travis. A friend and I are gonna try it again, he in a > C150, and hope to get beyond our shutdown (chicken out) point of last > year...Scott County Airport, Tennessee. > We may not leave until Saturday, the 5th...not sure yet. Oh, wait, > you said Friday the 11th! Just for the weekend, eh? > > I'm going to S-N-F, but my friend is flying into Zephyrhills airport > and getting a car from there. I'll be camping at S-N-F. What is the > difference between the two locations that you mentioned as far as > camping/distance is concerned? > > I wouldn't mind landing in Mobile, AL, as I have yet to land in > Alabama, and I need it as part of my tentative 49-state landing > goal...eventual landing goal. : ) > Please send info to me at least, Travis...privately, unless you have > a big enough demand that warrants list posting. > Hot damn...I'm gettin' excited! > > Lynn Matteson > Grass Lake, Michigan > Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 > flying w/480+ hrs > > > > On Mar 19, 2008, at 2:11 PM, FlyboyTR wrote: > > > > > Who is going to Sun-N-Fun? > > > > We are planning on flying to Sun-N-Fun again this year. Last year > > we camped in the Homebuilt Camping area. Not too bad. This year > > we are returning to our rootsof many years ago and land and camp > > in the Ultralight Area (it is now mostly Sport Planes). That is a > > little closer to the facilities and not so far out! > > > > Our tentative plans, weather permitting, will be to depart Mobile, > > AL on Friday, 4/11/08, around daybreak or earlier. We=99ll land at > > Quincy, FL (2J9, just northwest of Tallahassee) for fuel and a > > short break. From there we will fly direct to SNF. Our departure > > from SNF will be Sunday morning, 4/13/08, for the return flight > > back home. > > > > Do we have any other Kitfox=99s on the forum that will be flying > > (or driving) to SNF? If so, please share your plans! If your > > route of travel will be taking you through LA (Lower Alabama) we > > will be happy to provide ground transportation for meals, hotels, > > etc (prior to our departure on Friday!). > > > > We fly out of a private strip, 1,800=99 (not on sectional) that is > > > ========================h e es y --> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS nbsp; - List Contribution Web Site ; -------------------------------------------------------------------- Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. f="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron.ma tronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com ://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. 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    Time: 09:10:09 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: VG's on Flaperon Re: Flaperons with Vortex Generators
    From: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
    buddy up here put the VG's on his Avid model IV. they made a big difference in landing speed. he can come in now at a ridiculous AOA just dragging it in. He did not notice a big difference at first on take off because you cant get the AOA on the wing. He went to extended gear and 25" tires to get a better AOA on the wing. He would like to go even bigger on the tires as the plane is capable of flying at lower speeds than he can get it off right now. I have a set of 26" to put on mine as soon as I get off my butt and finish the other wing. -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE Leonard Perry Soldotna AK Avid &quot;C&quot; / Mk IV 582 IVO IFA Full Lotus 1260 95% complete Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172241#172241


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    Time: 10:15:48 AM PST US
    From: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Tachometer
    LEAF part no G2100 (assorted colored arcs) was $4.75 (2005 catalog -sorry). fox5flyer <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net> wrote: .hmmessage P { PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px } BODY.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma } Anybody know a source for the colored tape -- Yellow, red, green, white -- (or suitable alternative) to mark the airspeed indicator? Prefer something I don't have to mail order for. Thanks, Deke Morisse Mikado Michigan S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress." - Joseph Joubert ----- Original Message ----- From: Clint Bazzill To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 6:16 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Tachometer UMA With color marking. Had UMA regular for years and worked great. Sold it on Ebay and bought one with color markings, wouldn't leave home without it. Clint > Subject: Kitfox-List: Tachometer > From: Wilson@REinfo.org > Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 20:37:26 -0700 > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > > > Found out today my tach is not accurate and will need to be replaced as it cannot be adjusted (through the hole in the back) far enough. It is the 2 1/4" Rotax tach. > > What tach do you guys use for the Rotrax 912 (80hp) that fits the 2 1/4" panel hole? What do you like about yours? What do you dislike about yours? Where did you get yours? > > -------- > Steve Wilson > Huntsville, UT > Kitfox I-IV 85DD > 912A / 3 Blade Warp Drive > Convertable Nosewheel &amp; Tailwheel > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=171859#171859 > &========= > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c Marco Menezes Model 2 582 N99KX ---------------------------------


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    Time: 10:35:45 AM PST US
    From: 84KF <avidfox@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Tachometer
    *"....if you quickly pull some friction tape off the roll, you will see a static "light show" right where the pulled tape leaves the roll. One can amuse oneself for hours while watching this phenomenon.* : ) " Lynn, I'm so glad you got into aviation. You *definitely* needed a new hobby. One possible explanation....., If I'm correct, helmets were not used in hockey in the '60's eh? Look what happened to Alaska Leni too..... ; ) I'll stop now.... I feel a "chat warning" brewing Steve 84KF


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    Time: 11:26:05 AM PST US
    From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
    Subject: Re: Tachometer
    Steve- As a matter of fact, it was an on-ice incident at Jackson's (Mich) Ice Arena, where I used to play, that caused the Michigan Hockey Ass'n. to adopt the helmet rule. A guy by the name of John (I think) Shawinabin, was checked into the boards head first, and later died as a result of the injuries. Our team, the Jackson Jaguars, were playing two games at an outdoor ice arena in Bay City, I think, when I learned of this incident. After this rule went into effect, we couldn't even set foot onto the ice without a helmet on our heads. And that folks, is the reason that I am like I am....I played before the helmet rule, and took a few to the noggin'. Lynn do not archive (I'll be good, Guy, I promise) On Mar 24, 2008, at 1:32 PM, 84KF wrote: > > > "....if you quickly pull some friction tape off > the roll, you will see a static "light show" right where the pulled > tape leaves the roll. One can amuse oneself for hours while watching > this phenomenon. : ) " > > Lynn, > I'm so glad you got into aviation. You definitely needed a new > hobby. > One possible explanation....., If I'm correct, helmets were not > used in hockey in the '60's eh? > Look what happened to Alaska Leni too..... ; ) > > I'll stop now.... I feel a "chat warning" brewing > > Steve > 84KF > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _- > www.matronics.com/contribution _- > ===========================================================


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    Time: 11:26:05 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs
    From: "dholly" <oue191@yahoo.com>
    Louie- sent you a PM. I have the channel style gear legs and was going to weld four SS plates to the arms for reinforcement (see attachment). Before I do, however, I'd be interested in seeing a pic of your 'boxed' style leg if you have one handy. Was this a oem improved part or user mod? Thanks, Doug Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172272#172272 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/cimg5822_794.jpg


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    Time: 11:34:36 AM PST US
    From: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@kitfoxaircraft.com>
    Subject: Warp drive size?
    OOOPs forgot Sensenich.. shame on me. Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean 208.337.5111 www.kitfoxaircraft.com "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of jdmcbean Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 9:34 AM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Warp drive size? George, Should have giving us a shout for your prop.. We are distributors for both IVO and Warp. As for the IVO.. you can cut them down Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean 208.337.5111 www.kitfoxaircraft.com "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of SUE MICHAELS Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 8:37 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Warp drive size? Had a chat with the Kitfox people at air adventure last year in regards to that very question. They tried both 70 and 72" on their factory plane an said the 70" is faster at cruise and the 72" better at climb. 72" if your thinking about floats. I should have contacted the Ivoprop to see if they would cut a 71". That would be interesting! I just received my new 70" electric Ivoprop this month and would love to try / buy a 72" cut down to 71". Anyone interested in a 70" electric Ivoprop. I believe they are about 3 months behind on orders. - The Kitfox-List Email Forum - --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - --> http://forums.matronics.com - List Contribution Web Site - Thank you for your generous support! -Matt Dralle, List Admin. --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution Checked by AVG. 6:50 PM


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    Time: 12:10:33 PM PST US
    From: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
    Subject: Rotax 582 Starter Problem?
    All, Can a starter short a battery? This happened on my Ford van and now I think it's happened to my Rotax 582. (Battery appears OK, no start, battery stone dead. How did I know the starter failed on the Ford Van? Easy, first I replaced the batteries, it wouldn't start, then I replaced the starter. The starter fixed it.) Today upon start the Rotax starter engaged for maybe 1/2 second then died. Upon an attempted re-start all I got was a weak solenoid click and the battery was down to 9.7 volts. As of Saturday afternoon the battery was 13 volts and I had left nothing on since then. (I do not know the voltage when I tried to start, but it was definitely not 9.7 volts as the 1/2 engagement was much more energetic than the subsequent clicks.) I have been fighting a cold engine weak start for the past few months, assuming it was ground issues. I had reworked the ground system and replaced the battery to no avail. First, what fails in the starter to dead short the battery? Is there any way to diagnose the starter before I remove it? (Resistance checks, etc.) Can I rebuild the starter? Finally, anybody know if a 912 starter will work on the 582? (I'm interested in the Sky-Tec starter.) Thanks, Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.


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    Time: 12:33:27 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans?
    From: "FlyboyTR" <flyboytr@bellsouth.net>
    bump -------- Travis Rayner Mobile, AL Skystar Vixen, N-789DF Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop IFR with Autopilot AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172295#172295


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    Time: 12:38:10 PM PST US
    From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
    Subject: Re: Tachometer
    There are a couple of brands of duct tape that come in all the Sesame Street colours. Do not archive Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of akflyer Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 9:25 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tachometer [quote="Fox5flyer"]Anybody know a source for the colored tape -- Yellow, red, green, white -- (or suitable alternative) to mark the airspeed indicator? Prefer something I don't have to mail order for. Thanks, Deke Morisse Mikado Michigan S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress." - Joseph Joubert > --- Fingernail polish.. I have seen many A&P's use it. -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE Leonard Perry Soldotna AK Avid &quot;C&quot; / Mk IV 582 IVO IFA Full Lotus 1260 95% complete Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172045#172045


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    Time: 12:47:21 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans?
    From: "FlyboyTR" <flyboytr@bellsouth.net>
    Sorry to be gone so long... a second thread was started on this topic and so I didn't get an email notifying me of activity! The SNF ultralight area (Paradise City) is now the current home of the Light Sport Aircraft. Most of the LSA demos etc are done from there. Interesting combo of UL and LSA. I have never read where there are restrictions as to what can or can not land in the UL area. My plane is more than capable of take-off/landing on their runway (better than most of the LSAs). I would not recommend flying a conventional GA plane in there! Depending on what/who is flying, you need to be able to slow down to at least 50 MPH in the pattern. Fortunately the approaches for UL 9 & 27 are goodjust a short final! >From the Homebuilt Camping area to the showers is about an 8 minute walk. From the UL area it is about 2 minutesnot a big deal one way or the other. From the UL area you are very close to the UL runway and can watch flight-ops from your tent. Also, usually more grass there! less dust! The tram is only a minute or two away. Im glad the pictures (on the original post/thread) helped. The NOTAM, printed arrival info for the UL area is really poor. I will probably address that this year. Travis :D -------- Travis Rayner Mobile, AL Skystar Vixen, N-789DF Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop IFR with Autopilot AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172300#172300


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    Time: 01:22:26 PM PST US
    From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
    Subject: OT : Tachometer Tape
    Just be sure you don't get stuck on anything near. J! Do not archive Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 10:51 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Tachometer Steve- Also, the friction tape, probably now residing in the Smithsonian, was once the only thing used on hockey sticks. Being a Michigander, Steve, you should have known this. : ) Bonus info: In the dark, if you quickly pull some friction tape off the roll, you will see a static "light show" right where the pulled tape leaves the roll. One can amuse oneself for hours while watching this phenomenon. : ) This also works with other tapes as well. Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/480+ hrs/down for annual do not archive On Mar 23, 2008, at 10:47 PM, 84KF wrote: > Thanks for the clarification.... : ) > > Actually..., we do use clear nail polish in the restoration shop. > Wires are often wrapped an\or bundled using the old fashion > "friction tape"..., you know, the sticky black stuff that we used > as kids to re-wrap worn baseballs. After the wraping\bundeling is > complete, the tape is coated with the clear polish to seal the tape > from moisture. Looks good, and lasts for years. This is standard in > the military maintenance manuals from the '40's, except they > specify clear industrial lacquer. No tie-wraps in an "original" > Stearman or T-6 > The little bottle of polish is easier to work with, and lives in > the tool box quite nice. > > Steve Benesh A&P,I.A. > KF5\912UL > > > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _- > www.matronics.com/contribution _- > ===========================================================


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    Time: 01:40:07 PM PST US
    From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
    Subject: Rotax 582 Starter Problem?
    Guy, how old is the bad battery? Older batteries, and some newer ones, occasionally lose a cell for no apparent reason, especially those that have a few years on them. It can happen suddenly so I wouldn't be too quick to blame the starter. From your description of the problem, it sounds like your battery has been warning you for awhile now and has finally given up the ghost. Try a new battery and see what happens. Deke Morisse Mikado Michigan S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress." - Joseph Joubert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Guy Buchanan" <bnn@nethere.com> <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 2:55 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Rotax 582 Starter Problem? > > All, > Can a starter short a battery? This happened on my Ford van and > now I think it's happened to my Rotax 582. (Battery appears OK, no start, > battery stone dead. How did I know the starter failed on the Ford Van? > Easy, first I replaced the batteries, it wouldn't start, then I replaced > the starter. The starter fixed it.) > Today upon start the Rotax starter engaged for maybe 1/2 second > then died. Upon an attempted re-start all I got was a weak solenoid click > and the battery was down to 9.7 volts. As of Saturday afternoon the > battery was 13 volts and I had left nothing on since then. (I do not know > the voltage when I tried to start, but it was definitely not 9.7 volts as > the 1/2 engagement was much more energetic than the subsequent clicks.) I > have been fighting a cold engine weak start for the past few months, > assuming it was ground issues. I had reworked the ground system and > replaced the battery to no avail. > First, what fails in the starter to dead short the battery? Is > there any way to diagnose the starter before I remove it? (Resistance > checks, etc.) Can I rebuild the starter? Finally, anybody know if a 912 > starter will work on the 582? (I'm interested in the Sky-Tec starter.) > > Thanks, > > > Guy Buchanan > San Diego, CA > K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. > > >


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    Time: 02:54:56 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs
    From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
    Doug, that looks like the plate that would change the channel to a boxed style. I made mine out of 4130 channel welded inside of existing channel . Both ways should be alot stronger than OEM . I think the lightening holes was a contributing factor to the weakness of the trailing arms. -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172325#172325 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/aerocetfixed_024_121.jpg


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    Time: 02:55:01 PM PST US
    From: "Pat Reilly" <patreilly43@hotmail.com>
    Subject: skis
    Kitfoxers, Skis, I want to build a set of skis. I have pictures of 2 designs of wheel skis from this site. They look like great designs fabricated from steel tubing. One design is made of square tubing and the other is fabricated from round tubing I was wondering about what size wheels and tires to run. I have large 18" OD rough field tires similar to the Kingfoxes. I would imagine smaller, maybe 16" OD tires and narrower are what is needed. How do wheel skis mount on the axle? Do you need to swap in a longer axle to accept the ski bushings on either side of the wheel? Pat Reilly Mod 3 Rebuild Rockford, IL


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    Time: 02:59:20 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: King Fox Tires
    From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
    Wheels are spun aluminum. not one piece but 2 halves welded in centre . Mine do not leak but i use high quality bead sealer. I did use dish soap and found that one would leak after a week or two. Go to ATV shop and get it done. I have my own tools for bead breaking and taking them off but if you don't you will take a while to change your tires. I can change two tires in under 30 mins including R & R from plane and de - mount and re mount. -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172327#172327


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    Time: 03:01:59 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Rotax 582 Starter Problem?
    From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
    Guy, load test your battery after it fully charged. you likely gotta dead cell. 40 $ fora new battery -- mine a motorcycle battery and 4 years old still starts when 0 F outside :) -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172328#172328


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    Time: 03:08:48 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Tachometer
    From: "SkySteve" <Wilson@REinfo.org>
    Not to ruin the "tape sparks" here, but the thread was originally about tachometers. Anyone have any info on the darn things that measure RPMs and then can be highlighted with colored tape? -------- Steve Wilson Huntsville, UT Kitfox I-IV 85DD 912A / 3 Blade Warp Drive Convertable Nosewheel &amp; Tailwheel Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172332#172332


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    Time: 03:15:39 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs
    From: "vetdrem" <vetdrem@hotmail.com>
    here is a pic of mine. This is the inboard side of the left main, but they all look the same. I believe that this is OEM, but I am not sure. I know that I like the looks of mine better than the busted up things that Dave has pictures of. Louie Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172333#172333 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/003_213.jpg


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    Time: 03:28:16 PM PST US
    From: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: skis
    There is lots of good info in the archives. Also John Perry knows stuff about skis, he would be a good source to ask questions. Dee Young Model II N345DY Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Pat Reilly<mailto:patreilly43@hotmail.com> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 3:51 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: skis Kitfoxers, Skis, I want to build a set of skis. I have pictures of 2 designs of wheel skis from this site. They look like great designs fabricated from steel tubing. One design is made of square tubing and the other is fabricated from round tubing I was wondering about what size wheels and tires to run. I have large 18" OD rough field tires similar to the Kingfoxes. I would imagine smaller, maybe 16" OD tires and narrower are what is needed. How do wheel skis mount on the axle? Do you need to swap in a longer axle to accept the ski bushings on either side of the wheel? Pat Reilly Mod 3 Rebuild Rockford, IL http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List<http://www.matronics.com/N avigator?Kitfox-List> http://www.matronics.com/contribution<http://www.matronics.com/contributi on>


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    Time: 03:39:03 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Rotax 582 Starter Problem?
    From: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
    Guy, My starter did this same EXACT thing. I bought new battery no joy.. just the weak clicking of the solenoid. well that right thar pointed me to the solenoid, so I bought a new one and put that on. Real nice clickety click still. pulled starter and pulled the back off it, the armature was filthy and pitted. I was not liking the thought of 700 bucks for a rotax starter so I got real smart and ordered a GPL starter. you may say hey thats good thinking right... wrong. the GPL wont fit the Avid unless I cut out some of the firewall tubes and re-design the mounts... (I now have a real cool 500.00 anodized paper weight but hey it was cheaper than a Rotax starter) so I chucked the starter shaft in a drill and spun it while holding emory cloth on the armature. The brushes looked good so I put it back together and wala works like new. So now I am ready, new battery, new solenoid, working rotax starter and a useless GPL with recoil < you wanna buy it??? LOL -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE Leonard Perry Soldotna AK Avid &quot;C&quot; / Mk IV 582 IVO IFA Full Lotus 1260 95% complete Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172344#172344


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    Time: 03:39:03 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs
    From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
    > I know that I like the looks of mine better than the busted up things that Dave has pictures of. > > Louie > Louie, that will re-enforce the trailing arms BUT you should look over every other part that I showed you are the welds do break. A cracked weld is easy to spot before it breaks away and If it does you will be looking are far more damage . An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172345#172345


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    Time: 03:43:04 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Rotax 582 Starter Problem?
    From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
    > My starter did this same EXACT thing. I bought new battery no joy.. just the weak clicking of the solenoid If the batter is losing voltage , that starter is unlikely the culprit. However , the starter that needs it commutators turned and/or brushes can not perform well. A simple clean up like you did was perfect, just make sure you clean between the commutator bars after using emery cloth or turing. Hand propping is always an option , good reason for NOt having a clutch. -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172348#172348


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    Time: 03:50:38 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Rotax 582 Starter Problem?
    From: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
    dave wrote: > > > My starter did this same EXACT thing. I bought new battery no joy.. just the weak clicking of the solenoid > > > If the batter is losing voltage , that starter is unlikely the culprit. > However , the starter that needs it commutators turned and/or brushes can not perform well. A simple clean up like you did was perfect, just make sure you clean between the commutator bars after using emery cloth or turing. > > Hand propping is always an option , good reason for NOt having a clutch. I could charge the battery have it showing 13+ volts hit the key a couple times and bam, under 10 volts. This was the old battery, brand new wet cell out of my kids snowmachine and finally a new Odesey battery that was gonna cure my problems...for what ever reason it can down to the starter killing a new battery in just a few seconds of hitting the key. 100% agree, hit it with air then electri clean then air again to make sure it is clean. I also stopped by the local auto electric repair shop and they said they could upgrade the brush plate and re-build the starter for under a 100.00. I am told that a starter of the 2000 sea-doo is the same one as the 582 and can be had new for around 280 bucks. -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE Leonard Perry Soldotna AK Avid &quot;C&quot; / Mk IV 582 IVO IFA Full Lotus 1260 95% complete Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172349#172349


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    Time: 04:07:52 PM PST US
    From: David Dawe <davedawe@msn.com>
    Subject: Rotax 582 Starter Problem?
    Hi I replaced plus cable with heavy duty cable,works now. > Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:55:52 -0700> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com; rot axengines-list@matronics.com; aeroelectric-list@matronics.com> From: bnn@ne there.com> Subject: Kitfox-List: Rotax 582 Starter Problem?> > --> Kitfox-L ist message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>> > All,> Can a starte r short a battery? This happened on my Ford van > and now I think it's happ ened to my Rotax 582. (Battery appears OK, > no start, battery stone dead. How did I know the starter failed on > the Ford Van? Easy, first I replaced the batteries, it wouldn't > start, then I replaced the starter. The start er fixed it.)> Today upon start the Rotax starter engaged for maybe 1/2 > s econd then died. Upon an attempted re-start all I got was a weak > solenoid click and the battery was down to 9.7 volts. As of Saturday > afternoon th e battery was 13 volts and I had left nothing on since > then. (I do not kn ow the voltage when I tried to start, but it was > definitely not 9.7 volts as the 1/2 engagement was much more > energetic than the subsequent clicks .) I have been fighting a cold > engine weak start for the past few months, assuming it was ground > issues. I had reworked the ground system and repl aced the battery to no avail.> First, what fails in the starter to dead sho rt the battery? > Is there any way to diagnose the starter before I remove it? > (Resistance checks, etc.) Can I rebuild the starter? Finally, anybody > know if a 912 starter will work on the 582? (I'm interested in the > Sky -Tec starter.)> > Thanks,> > > Guy Buchanan> San Diego, CA> K-IV 1200 / 582 ===================> > > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with free Messenger emoticons. Get them today! http://g.msn.ca/ca55/207


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    Time: 04:20:11 PM PST US
    From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
    Subject: Re: Tachometer
    Sorry to step out of line... All the dial type tachometers can do what you asked. The digital ones you will have to know the red lines and the operating envelope. Digital works better for accuracy but analogue works miles better for trends. Various methods of marking the glass in the front of the analogue tachometers has already been discussed. Decide where to make your arcs from the operating manuals for your particular engine. Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of SkySteve Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 7:36 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tachometer Not to ruin the "tape sparks" here, but the thread was originally about tachometers. Anyone have any info on the darn things that measure RPMs and then can be highlighted with colored tape? -------- Steve Wilson Huntsville, UT Kitfox I-IV 85DD 912A / 3 Blade Warp Drive Convertable Nosewheel &amp; Tailwheel Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172332#172332


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    Time: 04:34:22 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs
    From: "vetdrem" <vetdrem@hotmail.com>
    That is what I'm doing now. I have pretty much completed the left side, now I am ready to move to the right side. I checked (visually) every component. I found one bolt that was loose, but other than that, it really looks pretty good. Louie Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172360#172360


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    Time: 04:38:30 PM PST US
    From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
    Subject: Re: Rotax 582 Starter Problem?
    One word Leonard: E-Bay Do not archive Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of akflyer Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 8:05 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Rotax 582 Starter Problem? Guy, My starter did this same EXACT thing. I bought new battery no joy.. just the weak clicking of the solenoid. well that right thar pointed me to the solenoid, so I bought a new one and put that on. Real nice clickety click still. pulled starter and pulled the back off it, the armature was filthy and pitted. I was not liking the thought of 700 bucks for a rotax starter so I got real smart and ordered a GPL starter. you may say hey thats good thinking right... wrong. the GPL wont fit the Avid unless I cut out some of the firewall tubes and re-design the mounts... (I now have a real cool 500.00 anodized paper weight but hey it was cheaper than a Rotax starter) so I chucked the starter shaft in a drill and spun it while holding emory cloth on the armature. The brushes looked good so I put it back together and wala works like new. So now I am ready, new battery, new solenoid, working rotax starter and a useless GPL with recoil < you wanna buy it??? LOL -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE Leonard Perry Soldotna AK Avid &quot;C&quot; / Mk IV 582 IVO IFA Full Lotus 1260 95% complete Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172344#172344


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    Time: 04:38:40 PM PST US
    From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
    Subject: Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs
    An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. In this case it can be a lot more than that....


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    Time: 05:14:38 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs
    From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
    Louis, Another thing to check for is to make sure your Gear actually does go over center when locked down. Failure to do this will make you find a 4130 fabricator. -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172373#172373


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    Time: 05:19:59 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Rotax 582 Starter Problem?
    From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
    700 $ not bad for a Rotax brand new starter. you can buy the brushes locally usually. I do. When you replace a starter make sure you tighten it properly . 1 mm (.040 ) clearance. too tight and you will bust the alum housing it bolts too. That is another 400 to 500$ You better if you ready for a gear box to buy a new E gear box with starter for 2300 $ -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172374#172374


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    Time: 05:28:35 PM PST US
    From: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@kitfoxaircraft.com>
    Subject: Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: Safety
    OK... from experience... we all know going to any fly-in one needs to have their head on a swivel... However, When going to the ultra-light fields be extra cautious... especially at Oshkosh or Sun-n-Fun. There are several issues but here are 3 things that happen... 1 They are not under any specific control.. ie... cleared to land or talking to anyone for that manner. Many are not even on a radio or have one for that manner. 2 Although we all should read the NOTAMS.. many do not. So that guy in front or behind or even off to the side may not be following the same procedure you are. Again not talking to anyone so there are not another set of eyes to help (this happens on the main fields as well) 3 You are mixing with some traffic that you may not be accustomed to.. ie. I was amazed at the amount of wake turbulence there is behind a trike... and flying behind a powered parachute can be a real adventure... practice your flight at minimum control while doing S turns. Above all be safe and have fun !! Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean 208.337.5111 www.kitfoxaircraft.com "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of FlyboyTR Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 1:45 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? Sorry to be gone so long... a second thread was started on this topic and so I didn't get an email notifying me of activity! The SNF ultralight area (Paradise City) is now the current home of the Light Sport Aircraft. Most of the LSA demo(tm)s etc are done from there. Interesting combo of UL and LSA. I have never read where there are restrictions as to what can or can not land in the UL area. My plane is more than capable of take-off/landing on their runway (better than most of the LSA(tm)s). I would not recommend flying a conventional GA plane in there! Depending on what/who is flying, you need to be able to slow down to at least 50 MPH in the pattern. Fortunately the approaches for UL 9 & 27 are goodjust a short final! >From the Homebuilt Camping area to the showers is about an 8 minute walk. >From the UL area it is about 2 minutesnot a big deal one way or the other. From the UL area you are very close to the UL runway and can watch flight-ops from your tent. Also, usually more grass there! less dust! The tram is only a minute or two away. I(tm)m glad the pictures (on the original post/thread) helped. The NOTAM, printed arrival info for the UL area is really poor. I will probably address that this year. Travis :D -------- Travis Rayner Mobile, AL Skystar Vixen, N-789DF Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop IFR with Autopilot AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172300#172300 Checked by AVG. 6:50 PM Checked by AVG. 6:50 PM


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    Time: 05:46:20 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs
    From: "vetdrem" <vetdrem@hotmail.com>
    The left side goes over center like it is supposed to. I haven't checked the "timing" of the main to the nose wheel yet, but that is another major concern of mine. I just haven't gotten that far, yet. This whole process is a learning event. I have enough background in mechanics to be comfortable doing the inspection myself, it just takes me a little longer because I have to learn how it works before I can be sure that it is safe. Louie Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172384#172384


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    Time: 05:47:56 PM PST US
    From: "Cudnohufsky's" <7suds@Chartermi.net>
    Subject: Re: Inspecting Spars & Struts
    If you suspect there may be a need consider installing a couple inspection ports between the strut attach points, it will give you a way to inspect mid wing. Lloyd C IM MI. Mod 5 912 ----- Original Message ----- From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 3:32 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Inspecting Spars & Struts > > >> inspect the wing spar and/or lift struts, other than just looking from >> the outside. >> The lift struts are buried in their fairings and, of course, the spars >> are under the fabric > > > Hopefully you can remove your fairings to check rods ends and bolts. > No much you can do on a covered plane other than check for security of > ribs by trying to move them from outside. > > I looked at a Kitfox a few years ago that had been flipped and sunk while > on floats. It was pulled out and never opened up and had no drain holes or > seaplane grommets. When I grabbed the front and rear of wing at the tip i > could actually twist the wing as it seemed that the ribs had become > insecure or rotten inside. It was actually mushy feeling. Owner did not > want to talk to me after I told him that. > > -------- > Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada > Flying Videos and Kitfox Info > http://www.cfisher.com/ > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172144#172144 > > >


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    Time: 05:53:29 PM PST US
    From: James Shumaker <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: Flaperons with Vortex Generators
    Robert I tried putting some vortex generators on my flaperons but could tell no difference. I only tried it one time and did not do all the test flying repositioning and reflying required to actually see the slight difference that they might make. Let me know what you find. Jim Shumaker ----- Original Message ---- From: Robert Harris <kitfox_robert@yahoo.com> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 8:35:28 AM Subject: VG's on Flaperon Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Flaperons with Vortex Generators Yes, I want to put Vortex Generators on my Flaperons, main wing, and around the tail feathers. If nobody has done yet I'll let you know what my findings are later this summer. Clint are you done with your VG write up and could you tell me where I could find it? I like to read it. Dave in Ontario said they did not do much for him but I think he is flying with the early model Wing like a model III. Robert San Diego V/0200 ----- Original Message ---- From: akflyer <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 4:51:19 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Flaperons with Vortex Generators How about this Guy Buchana According to the Avid flight manual, after 23 degrees of flap when you input aileron, the down aileron creates too much drag and will pull the plane around to that side. you input left aileron and the plane goes right... When I an at low speeds and pulling flaps must turning is with the rudder anyway. -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE Leonard Perry Soldotna AK Avid &quot;C&quot; / Mk IV 582 IVO IFA Full Lotus 1260 95%


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    Time: 06:38:19 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs
    From: "dholly" <oue191@yahoo.com>
    Louie and dave - appreciate the pics and comments. The only reinforcing I've seen to date was Gary's and another fellow who both had plates welded to the backside of their gear leg channel. After mulling that over for a bit, I had decided to weld mine flat to the leg inside the channel for a bit more strength. Now I like this boxed style even better on a number of counts, including aesthetics. Kinda embarrassed to admit I hadn't thought of it, thanks for jump-starting my brain. -Doug Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172405#172405 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/cimg5825_978.jpg


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    Time: 07:02:02 PM PST US
    Subject: Bypassing the muffler heat cuff?
    From: "FlyboyTR" <flyboytr@bellsouth.net>
    I am not sure exactly where I should post this question? I have a Continental IO-240 in my Experimental Vixen. I have the stainless steel heat cuff on the muffler to provide cabin heat. I want to disconnect the Scat tubing (inlet and outlet) and bypass the heat cuff completely. I will reroute and connect the Scat tubing. This will allow non heated air to flow through the heat/vent system to provide more cooling in the cockpit. Will having the tubing disconnected create any strange heat issues? I really dont think that it wouldbut would appreciate some feedback regarding this. Thanks! Travis :D -------- Travis Rayner Mobile, AL Skystar Vixen, N-789DF Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop IFR with Autopilot AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172412#172412


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    Time: 07:10:01 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: Safety
    From: "FlyboyTR" <flyboytr@bellsouth.net>
    Excellent points! Your comments are very well placed and should be taken to heart by anyone flying into a busy pattern. >From my past experience it can be a real zoo! Back in the beginning I wanted to fly the pattern during open flying. But realized in short order that one flight in and one flight out was more than enough! With the LSA's flying in that area the overall speed has increased but it is tough being on short final with a plane (or something...) in front of you that is flying 20-25 MPH slower...and then they last short and stop! Just remember if you have to do a go-around do it on the south side of the runway! Travis :D -------- Travis Rayner Mobile, AL Skystar Vixen, N-789DF Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop IFR with Autopilot AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172414#172414


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    Time: 07:24:28 PM PST US
    From: "Eric" <iworonko@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: first flight
    Jeff, I couldn't find anything about shortening isolators on Skystars list of SB's. Do you have a service bulletin number or a copy of it? Eric


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    Time: 07:25:55 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Inspecting Spars & Struts
    From: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
    when I re-built my wings, I put inspection rings at each place I may need to get in and look at. This included the ends of the drag tubes, over the pitot tube pick up and over each strut attach fitting. I dont plan on cutting them out unless I need to look but they are there if I need them. -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE Leonard Perry Soldotna AK Avid &quot;C&quot; / Mk IV 582 IVO IFA Full Lotus 1260 95% complete Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172419#172419


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    Time: 08:08:20 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: skis
    From: "LarryM" <CrownLJ@verizon.net>
    Hey Pat, I have a set of skis that you could use as a pattern. I live in Genoa. 815-784-3476 larry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172432#172432


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    Time: 08:26:42 PM PST US
    From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
    Subject: Re: skis
    Pat- I built mine from round 4130 tubing. Tires are 16" OD, penetrate 2", but I would make that less next time. My inner mounts are pictured below, with some of the hardware shown. I'm looking for pics of outer "axle." The square aluminum block is bolted to the inner surface of the Grove gear, and I added a zerk fitting to the ski at the bearing area. The 1/2" outer axle slides into the Grove axle. This was a slow year for ski flying for me. Only about 27 hrs logged since late Dec. Bad weather for the Oshkosh Skiplane Fly-in cut into my available time this winter. They are off now. Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/480+ hrs/down for annual On Mar 24, 2008, at 5:51 PM, Pat Reilly wrote: > Kitfoxers, Skis, I want to build a set of skis. I have pictures of > 2 designs of wheel skis from this site. They look like great > designs fabricated from steel tubing. One design is made of square > tubing and the other is fabricated from round tubing I was > wondering about what size wheels and tires to run. I have large 18" > OD rough field tires similar to the Kingfoxes. I would imagine > smaller, maybe 16" OD tires and narrower are what is needed. How do > wheel skis mount on the axle? Do you need to swap in a longer axle > to accept the ski bushings on either side of the wheel? > > Pat Reilly > Mod 3 Rebuild > Rockford, IL > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List_- > ============================================================ _- > forums.matronics.com_- > ============================================================ _- > contribution_- > ===========================================================


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    Time: 08:32:52 PM PST US
    Subject: gas cap leaks
    From: "dcsfoto" <david@kelm.com>
    the only remaining issue with my Model 7 is leaking gas caps. Filled the tanks, went for a short flight and returned with fuel running off both wings. one cap is new both gaskets are new and caps fit tight. David M7 and 3 do not arcive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172442#172442


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    Time: 08:40:14 PM PST US
    Subject: Wiki page "Homebuilders Tailwheel Install"
    From: Rexinator <hefferans@gmail.com>
    Hi all, I just created this 1st draft Kitfox Wiki instruction page. Please proof read and let me know if I need to fix any errors or clarify anything. Any and all comments, critiques are welcome. Main Kitfox Wiki page: http://wiki.matronics.com/wiki/index.php/Kitfox Direct link to Tailwheel page: http://wiki.matronics.com/wiki/index.php/Kitfox/tailwheelswap -- Rex Hefferan SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs


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    Time: 08:43:42 PM PST US
    From: Robert Harris <kitfox_robert@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: VG's on Flaperon Re: Flaperons with Vortex
    Generators I have the 26" Alaskan Bushwheels and love them. My off field landings are so smoooth and landing and the ground handiling on paved runways was drastically improved compared to the 8.5" tire I had prior.. DO NOT ARCHIVE Robert Harris V/0200 ----- Original Message ---- From: akflyer <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 9:07:22 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: VG's on Flaperon Re: Flaperons with Vortex Generators buddy up here put the VG's on his Avid model IV. they made a big difference in landing speed. he can come in now at a ridiculous AOA just dragging it in. He did not notice a big difference at first on take off because you cant get the AOA on the wing. He went to extended gear and 25" tires to get a better AOA on the wing. He would like to go even bigger on the tires as the plane is capable of flying at lower speeds than he can get it off right now. I have a set of 26" to put on mine as soon as I get off my butt and finish the other wing. -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE Leonard Perry Soldotna AK Avid &quot;C&quot; / Mk IV 582 IVO IFA Full Lotus 1260 95% complete Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172241#172241 Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs


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    Time: 08:51:25 PM PST US
    From: patrick reilly <patreilly43@hotmail.com>
    Subject: skis
    Lynn, Thanks for the photos. You really put some time and work into your sk is. I saw a picture on the archives of a pair Deke Morisse built from plast ic snowmobile skis(not wheel skis though) that are ingeniously simple. Do not archive Pat Reilly Mod 3 Rebuild Rockford,IL> From: lynnmatt@jps.net> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: skis> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 23:17:12 -0400> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> > Pat-> I b uilt mine from round 4130 tubing. Tires are 16" OD, penetrate 2", > but I w ould make that less next time.> My inner mounts are pictured below, with so me of the hardware shown. > I'm looking for pics of outer "axle."


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    Time: 08:53:58 PM PST US
    From: patrick reilly <patreilly43@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Re: skis
    Larry, Thanks, I plan on coming over there when it warms up. I want to mwwt you. Do not archive. Pat Reilly> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: skis> From: CrownLJ@verizon.net> Date : Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:02:31 -0700> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> > --> Kit fox-List message posted by: "LarryM" <CrownLJ@verizon.net>> > Hey Pat,> > I have a set of skis that you could use as a pattern. I live in Genoa.> 815- 784-3476> larry> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matr ===================> > >


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    Time: 11:14:47 PM PST US
    From: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
    Subject: Re: Rotax 582 Starter Problem?
    Thanks All, You were right, it was the battery. Somehow I killed it. When I jumped it with my RV deep-cycle the engine started, still hesitantly, like the starter was weak, but the engine started and the load meter showed a charge. When I removed the RV battery the charge went to zero and when I shut down the on-board battery was still dead. I then worked around with the jumper cables trying to eliminate various elements, starter solenoid, cables, etc. but nothing improved the starting. It appears that the starter may be weak after all. I still have to get voltage drops and cranking voltage. Unfortunately I have to pull the engine to get access to the starter so that may be a while. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.




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