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     1. 01:29 AM - Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs (dave)
     2. 01:34 AM - Re: Inspecting Spars & Struts (dave)
     3. 05:50 AM - Re: King Fox Tires (Catz631@aol.com)
     4. 06:14 AM - Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs (vetdrem)
     5. 06:24 AM - Re: Re: Tachometer (Lynn Matteson)
     6. 06:38 AM - Re: King Fox Tires (Lynn Matteson)
     7. 07:01 AM - Re: King Fox Tires (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
     8. 07:47 AM - Re: King Fox Tires (akflyer)
     9. 08:22 AM - Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? (Mdkitfox@aol.com)
    10. 08:38 AM - Re: Warp drive size? (jdmcbean)
    11. 08:38 AM - VG's on Flaperon Re: Re: Flaperons with Vortex Generators (Robert Harris)
    12. 08:39 AM - Re: Re: Flaperons with Vortex Generators How about this Guy Buchanan (Robert Harris)
    13. 08:54 AM - Re: King Fox Tires (eskflyer)
    14. 09:04 AM - Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? (fox5flyer)
    15. 09:10 AM - VG's on Flaperon Re: Flaperons with Vortex Generators (akflyer)
    16. 10:15 AM - Re: Tachometer (Marco Menezes)
    17. 10:35 AM - Re: Re: Tachometer (84KF)
    18. 11:26 AM - Re: Re: Tachometer (Lynn Matteson)
    19. 11:26 AM - Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs (dholly)
    20. 11:34 AM - Re: Warp drive size? (jdmcbean)
    21. 12:10 PM - Rotax 582 Starter Problem? (Guy Buchanan)
    22. 12:33 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? (FlyboyTR)
    23. 12:38 PM - Re: Re: Tachometer (Noel Loveys)
    24. 12:47 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? (FlyboyTR)
    25. 01:22 PM - OT : Tachometer Tape (Noel Loveys)
    26. 01:40 PM - Rotax 582 Starter Problem? (fox5flyer)
    27. 02:54 PM - Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs (dave)
    28. 02:55 PM - skis (Pat Reilly)
    29. 02:59 PM - Re: King Fox Tires (dave)
    30. 03:01 PM - Re: Rotax 582 Starter Problem? (dave)
    31. 03:08 PM - Re: Tachometer (SkySteve)
    32. 03:15 PM - Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs (vetdrem)
    33. 03:28 PM - Re: skis (Dee Young)
    34. 03:39 PM - Re: Rotax 582 Starter Problem? (akflyer)
    35. 03:39 PM - Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs (dave)
    36. 03:43 PM - Re: Rotax 582 Starter Problem? (dave)
    37. 03:50 PM - Re: Rotax 582 Starter Problem? (akflyer)
    38. 04:07 PM - Re: Rotax 582 Starter Problem? (David Dawe)
    39. 04:20 PM - Re: Re: Tachometer (Noel Loveys)
    40. 04:34 PM - Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs (vetdrem)
    41. 04:38 PM - Re: Re: Rotax 582 Starter Problem? (Noel Loveys)
    42. 04:38 PM - Re: Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs (Noel Loveys)
    43. 05:14 PM - Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs (dave)
    44. 05:19 PM - Re: Rotax 582 Starter Problem? (dave)
    45. 05:28 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: Safety (jdmcbean)
    46. 05:46 PM - Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs (vetdrem)
    47. 05:47 PM - Re: Re: Inspecting Spars & Struts (Cudnohufsky's)
    48. 05:53 PM - Re: VG's on Flaperon Re: Re: Flaperons with Vortex Generators (James Shumaker)
    49. 06:38 PM - Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs (dholly)
    50. 07:02 PM - Bypassing the muffler heat cuff? (FlyboyTR)
    51. 07:10 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: Safety (FlyboyTR)
    52. 07:24 PM - Re: first flight (Eric)
    53. 07:25 PM - Re: Inspecting Spars & Struts (akflyer)
    54. 08:08 PM - Re: skis (LarryM)
    55. 08:26 PM - Re: skis (Lynn Matteson)
    56. 08:32 PM - gas cap leaks (dcsfoto)
    57. 08:40 PM - Wiki page "Homebuilders Tailwheel Install" (Rexinator)
    58. 08:43 PM - 26" bushwheels Re: VG's on Flaperon Re: Flaperons with Vortex Generators (Robert Harris)
    59. 08:51 PM - Re: skis (patrick reilly)
    60. 08:53 PM - Re: Re: skis (patrick reilly)
    61. 11:14 PM - Re: Re: Rotax 582 Starter Problem? (Guy Buchanan)
 
 
 
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| Subject:  | Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs | 
      
      
      Louie, 
      
      Good stuff if you got the boxed trailing arms already but check all welds etc .
      Also I had one float where the top link ( where the pulley attaches) break out
      of the fiberglass.  The cloth was dry so I can only assume it was never soaked
      with resin and it was weak there. 
      
      The 1100s were originally a straight float and once you add the amphib gear to
      them it detracts away from being a 1100 displacement and more like a 1050 or a
      bit less. This is partly why they sit low in the water on the nose. No big deal
      unless you had a heavy engine. But it does cut the time to get on step when
      loaded.  Other than that good float and handles very well on the ground ,water
      and in the air. 
      
      How many hours are on yours? 
      
      What does Jim want for the Aerocet package now?  Can you post his contact info
      or email me it . I have a few parts I need that he might have.
      
      --------
      Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
      Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
      http://www.cfisher.com/
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172143#172143
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Inspecting Spars & Struts | 
      
      
      
      > inspect the wing spar and/or lift struts, other than just looking from the outside.
      
      > The lift struts are buried in their fairings and, of course, the spars are under
      the fabric
      
      
      Hopefully you can remove your fairings to check rods ends and bolts.
      No much you can do on a covered plane other than check for security of ribs by
      trying to move them from outside.  
      
      I looked at a Kitfox a few years ago that had been flipped and sunk while on floats.
      It was pulled out and never opened up and had no drain holes or seaplane
      grommets. When I grabbed the front and rear of wing  at the tip i could actually
      twist the wing as it seemed that the ribs had become insecure or rotten inside.
      It was actually mushy feeling.  Owner did not want to talk to me after I
      told him that.
      
      --------
      Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
      Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
      http://www.cfisher.com/
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172144#172144
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: King Fox Tires | 
      
      Good comeback Leonard ! Laughed my butt off ! Please excuse me guys. I am new 
      to this list and to the airplane.I don't know alot of things about this 
      aircraft,but I will. I have the original wheels(chrome) which I assume are Douglas
      
      one piece wheels.The shaved tires I have on them are ATV 20x7x8 and I would 
      like to replace them as they are rather "long in the tooth" .I liked the look of
      
      the KingFox tires and now that I know that the Nanking tires are the same,I 
      will order them.My only other questions are:
                                   1. Will they fit the stock wheels with no 
      problem?
                                   2. Do I need tubes and will the stems shear off 
      do to low pressure and
                                       tire/tube movement or is this a minor 
      problem. Would a bead  adhesive as used in jeeps help. 
      
      I don't fly off rough ground.My airstrip is grass so I won't be in the bush.( 
      except when the people at the airpark get in a pissing contest over who is 
      going to mow the grass which happens often) Occasionally I fly off of pavement.
      
      And besides, these tires look cool!
       I am sending my elevator off to a small company to have an elevator trim 
      installed. They will skin the elevator,reweld the tubing and install the trim 
      servo/tab and then cover & paint back to silver. I am tired of the continuous 
      back pressure required on approach. (lazy butt I guess)  Also my oil pressure 
      gauge is 12 lbs off so it will go back to Westburg and finally I can install the
      
      Nanking tires.
      
                                                Dick Maddux
                                                Fox4-1200
                                                Pensacola,Fl                  
      
      
      **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL 
      Home.      
      (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001)
      
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| Subject:  | Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs | 
      
      
      I think that he said that he wants to get $11,000 for everything.  His cell number
      is (920) 493-4777,  he said that he doesn't have a signal a lot of the time
      (works in a metal building) but to just leave a message and he will return the
      call.
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172172#172172
      
      
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      Steve-
      Also, the friction tape, probably now residing in the Smithsonian,  
      was once the only thing used on hockey sticks. Being a Michigander,  
      Steve, you should have known this. : )
      
      Bonus info: In the dark, if you quickly pull some friction tape off  
      the roll, you will see a static "light show" right where the pulled  
      tape leaves the roll. One can amuse oneself for hours while watching  
      this phenomenon. : ) This also works with other tapes as well.
      
      
      Lynn Matteson
      Grass Lake, Michigan
      Kitfox IV Speedster  w/Jabiru 2200
      flying w/480+ hrs/down for annual
      do not archive
      
      
      On Mar 23, 2008, at 10:47 PM, 84KF wrote:
      
      > Thanks for the clarification....    : )
      >
      > Actually..., we do use clear nail polish in the restoration shop.   
      > Wires are often wrapped an\or bundled using the old fashion  
      > "friction tape"..., you know, the sticky black stuff that we used  
      > as kids to re-wrap worn baseballs.  After the wraping\bundeling is  
      > complete, the tape is coated with the clear polish to seal the tape  
      > from moisture. Looks good, and lasts for years. This is standard in  
      > the  military maintenance manuals from the '40's, except they  
      > specify clear industrial lacquer. No tie-wraps in an "original"  
      > Stearman or T-6
      > The little bottle of polish is easier to work with, and lives in  
      > the tool box quite nice.
      >
      > Steve Benesh  A&P,I.A.
      > KF5\912UL
      >
      >
      > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _- 
      > www.matronics.com/contribution _- 
      > ===========================================================
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: King Fox Tires | 
      
      
      Hi Dick-
      I think you'll find that the Douglas wheels are not really chromed,  
      but polished aluminum...I might be wrong, but my two pairs are both  
      polished aluminum, and both one-piece.
      By the way, Dick, I got my TruTrak ADI, and have it  
      installed...thanks for your input several weeks ago.
      
      Lynn Matteson
      Grass Lake, Michigan
      Kitfox IV Speedster  w/Jabiru 2200
      flying w/480+ hrs/down for annual
      do not archive
      
      
      On Mar 24, 2008, at 8:43 AM, Catz631@aol.com wrote:
      
      > Good comeback Leonard ! Laughed my butt off ! Please excuse me  
      > guys. I am new to this list and to the airplane.I don't know alot  
      > of things about this aircraft,but I will. I have the original wheels 
      > (chrome) which I assume are Douglas one piece wheels.The shaved  
      > tires I have on them are ATV 20x7x8 and I would like to replace  
      > them as they are rather "long in the tooth" .I liked the look of  
      > the KingFox tires and now that I know that the Nanking tires are  
      > the same,I will order them.My only other questions are:
      >                              1. Will they fit the stock wheels with  
      > no problem?
      >                              2. Do I need tubes and will the stems  
      > shear off do to low pressure and
      >                                  tire/tube movement or is this a  
      > minor problem. Would a bead  adhesive as used in jeeps help.
      >
      > I don't fly off rough ground.My airstrip is grass so I won't be in  
      > the bush.( except when the people at the airpark get in a pissing  
      > contest over who is going to mow the grass which happens often)  
      > Occasionally I fly off of pavement. And besides, these tires look  
      > cool!
      >  I am sending my elevator off to a small company to have an  
      > elevator trim installed. They will skin the elevator,reweld the  
      > tubing and install the trim servo/tab and then cover & paint back  
      > to silver. I am tired of the continuous back pressure required on  
      > approach. (lazy butt I guess)  Also my oil pressure gauge is 12 lbs  
      > off so it will go back to Westburg and finally I can install the  
      > Nanking tires.
      >
      >                                           Dick Maddux
      >                                           Fox4-1200
      >                                           Pensacola,Fl
      >
      >
      > Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home.
      > <ebay 029.jpg>
      
      
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      I have the Kingfox tires on my MK IV and they fit on the Douglas wheels jus
      t fine.  I don't have tubes in them, but I do have slow leaks that I can't 
      get rid of if I run at rather low pressure.  Tubes might be a good idea, bu
      t there is the extra weight and $.   Jim Chuk  Avids,   Mn
      
      
      From: Catz631@aol.comDate: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 08:43:43 -0400Subject: Re: Kitf
      ox-List: King Fox TiresTo: kitfox-list@matronics.com
      
      Good comeback Leonard ! Laughed my butt off ! Please excuse me guys. I am n
      ew to this list and to the airplane.I don't know alot of things about this 
      aircraft,but I will. I have the original wheels(chrome) which I assume are 
      Douglas one piece wheels.The shaved tires I have on them are ATV 20x7x8 and
       I would like to replace them as they are rather "long in the tooth" .I lik
      ed the look of the KingFox tires and now that I know that the Nanking tires
       are the same,I will order them.My only other questions are:
                                   1. Will they fit the stock wheels with no prob
      lem?
                                   2. Do I need tubes and will the stems shear of
      f do to low pressure and
                                       tire/tube movement or is this a minor prob
      lem. Would a bead  adhesive as used in jeeps help. 
      
      I don't fly off rough ground.My airstrip is grass so I won't be in the bush
      .( except when the people at the airpark get in a pissing contest over who 
      is going to mow the grass which happens often) Occasionally I fly off of pa
      vement. And besides, these tires look cool!
       I am sending my elevator off to a small company to have an elevator trim i
      nstalled. They will skin the elevator,reweld the tubing and install the tri
      m servo/tab and then cover & paint back to silver. I am tired of the contin
      uous back pressure required on approach. (lazy butt I guess)  Also my oil p
      ressure gauge is 12 lbs off so it will go back to Westburg and finally I ca
      n install the Nanking tires.
      
                                                Dick Maddux
                                                Fox4-1200
                                                Pensacola,Fl                  
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: King Fox Tires | 
      
      
      Grumpy Guss has a slow leak in one of his tires also when run at anything under
      8 PSI.  I would think that using a bead sealant would take care of it.  If you
      are just landing on grass strips, with the occasional runway landing, you may
      want to stick with the higher pressure.  If you are running low pressure, you
      better be on your toes when you touch down on pavement or asphalt as they will
      grab and roll on you making for an interesting ride.  
      
        My first flight was in a PA-12 with 31" air streaks at 2 PSI.  My first landing
      was on asphalt.  I had to buy the instructor a new pair of jeans when that
      ride was over.  After that I stuck to grass strips and off airport landings with
      that plane.  Now it is not a big deal unless you have a cross wind to deal
      with.
      
      --------
      DO NOT ARCHIVE
      Leonard Perry
      Soldotna AK
      Avid "C" / Mk IV 
      582 IVO IFA
      Full Lotus 1260
      95% complete
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? | 
      
      Deke,
      
      The Florida tax thing is far fetched.  I've been reading the ANN and  trying
      
      to follow the story of the Florida tax.  I finally got fed up with  the 
      accusations and obvious attempt to destroy SNF, so being a concerned Florida
      
      resident I called the Florida Department of Revenue this morning and talked 
       (first 
      hand) to Curt, who Campbell quoted.  The bottom line is there is  'some' tru
      th 
      to what Campbell is reporting, but is it the whole truth?   According to 
      Curt, the FL DOR is not out to get anyone.  As I understand  it, the tax the
      y are 
      trying to collect is on aircraft that are owned by Florida  residents and 
      registered is some other place with no tie to that State, such as  Delaware 
      (where 
      there is no tax(?),) but the aircraft primarily used in  Florida.  This is a
      n 
      obvious attempt by someone to avoid paying the Florida  sales tax.  Also, 
      this is pretty much aimed at new aircraft,  i.e. an aircraft less than 6 mon
      ths 
      old.  The FL DOR is not running  around checking every N number.  Most of th
      e 
      high profile cases are  initiated by the tax departments of other states 
      alerting Florida to the  situation.  (That alone is scary.  The states Tax 
      departments talking  to each other.)  Certainly he couldn't give me details 
      about the 
      cases, but  it sure sounds like FL is doing their job and it's getting blown
      
      out of  proportion.
      
      If someone wants to come here for SNF and is worried about this, don't take 
      
      my word for it, call Curt yourself and get the assurances you need to feel  
      good.  Here is FL DOR number:  1-850-487-3273.
      
      By the way, with regard to Revolution helicopters, I think Campbell,  despit
      e 
      his many peculiarities, did the aviation community a service.  He  brought 
      together many government and industry folks and placed them in  a forum wher
      e 
      they could discuss the issues surrounding that company's  product.  I was th
      ere 
      and as much as I don't really want to, I'll  give him his due, he hosted and
      
      funded that effort, which was totally  objective and not distorted by him.  
      Simultaneously another effort was  underway that was more official.  If I 
      remember they both reached similar  conclusions.  Ultimately, Revolution san
      k on it's 
      own.
      
      As for SNF, Campbell has a long standing feud with SNF that started long  
      before John Burton took it over.  I know John and he is honest as the day  i
      s 
      long, as is assistant, Wayne Boggs.  I would always trust those  guys.  As f
      or 
      Jim Campbell, it all depends which Jim shows up.  One is  very good at what 
      he 
      does and the other is off the wall and you need to watch  your 6, if you kno
      w 
      what I mean.
      
      Hope to see you at SNF.
      
      Rick  Weiss
      Series V Speedster - N39RW, 912S Power
      
      DO NOT ARCHIVE  
      
      
      In a message dated 3/20/2008 8:06:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
      fox5flyer@idealwifi.net writes:
      
      For many years I've been following the saga of Zoom Campbell, owner,  editor
      , 
      publisher of ANN (Aero News Network).  Zoom has definitely  created an 
      armload of enemies at SNF, but as in most other cases where  accusations are
       made, 
      there are always two sides to the stories.  Of  course, if it's printed on t
      he 
      Internet in various forums like bloggers,  forums, groups, "email lists", 
      etc., it all has to be true!  I'm  definitely not defending him, but one nee
      ds to 
      remember to approach Internet  "facts" with a healthy dose of skepticism.  O
      ne 
      person on a mission with  good keyboard skills can do a pretty good job of 
      vilifying pretty much anyone,  Zoom included.  Some people credit him with 
      single handedly destroying  the Revolution helicopter business, but not kill
      ing all 
      those who died in  them.
      As for the FL tax on airplanes, it sounds to me a bit far fetched, but  ther
      e 
      may be some shred of truth in it.  More info is needed.
      Deke Morisse
      Mikado Michigan
      S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT
      "The aim of  an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress."
      - Joseph  Joubert
      
      do not archive
      
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From:  _JC Propeller Design_ (mailto:propellerdesign@tele2.se)  
      Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 3:30  AM
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sun-N-Fun  2008: What are your plans?
      
      
      Be aware of the owners of ANN versus SNF story, it is long and fun, or  sad 
      story if you want. He is banned from SNF
      don't trust everything or anything you read, not even this.
      
      _http://www.silverstatenews.com/0_ANN_Rocket_Racing_League/Jim_
      Campbell_Page/index.htm_ 
      (http://www.silverstatenews.com/0_ANN_Rocket_Racing_League/Jim_Campbell_Page
      /index.htm) 
      _http://www.silverstatenews.com/The_Extremist!/Jim_Campbell_Page/index2.htm_
      
      (http://www.silverstatenews.com/The_Extremist!/Jim_Campbell_Page/index2.htm)
      
      _http://www.waterworkscase.com/Jim_Campbell's_Misconduct/page8.htm_ 
      (http://www.waterworkscase.com/Jim_Campbell's_Misconduct/page8.htm) 
      _http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Rec/rec.aviation.homebuilt/2006-01/
      ms
      g00858.html_ 
      (http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Rec/rec.aviation.homebuilt/2006-01/
      msg00858.html) 
      _http://eclipseaviationcritic.blogspot.com/2006/09/visions-of-sugar-plums-da
      nc
      e-in-their.html_ 
      (http://eclipseaviationcritic.blogspot.com/2006/09/visions-of-sugar-plums-da
      nce-in-their.html) 
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From:  _Donroutledge@aol.com_ (mailto:Donroutledge@aol.com)  
      Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 1:20  AM
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sun-N-Fun  2008: What are your plans?
      
      
      Guys, The Florida tax plan on airplanes is on Aero News Network on  
      03/14/2008. You can recover the archive from the location at the bottom of  
      the page. 
      It is the third article down "Florida Tax  Ripoffs...    "
      Don't fly your airplane to Florida until you read this    Don
      
      In a message dated 3/19/2008 6:28:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
      _GONER752@aol.com_ (mailto:GONER752@aol.com)  writes:
      
      I also receive Aero news network. I can confirm Don's post. I  couldn't 
      believe what I was reading, Crazy nutso,right? But there it was  in electron
      ic 
      black and white. The article went on to say that SNF had  been declining for
       years 
      and this could be the proverbial stake in the  heart. The article also noted
      
      that an inquiry by phone to SNF staff  received less than forthcoming answer
      s. 
      Could this possibly be true? I  checked both AOPA and EAA sites, but could 
      find no substantiating  stories. I guess if I was planning to fly my brand n
      ew 
      plane to SNF(I  wish), I'd be digging deeper till I found out for sure. If 
      anyone finds  out if this state revenue generating gone berserk is true, ple
      ase 
      let  everyone know.
      Greg G.
      
      
      In a message dated 3/19/2008 6:14:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
      Donroutledge@aol.com writes:
      
      If your going to Fun and Sun and you have owned your aircraft  less than 6 
      months, the desperate state of Florida can(WILL) TAX you  up to $30,000, YES
      
      THIRTY THOUSAND DOLLARS for just being in Florida.  I just read this on Aero
      -News 
      Network last week. I went to their  archives so I could tell you exactly whe
      n 
      it ran but their web site is  down. Here is an example; If you bought your 
      airplane in Michigan and  paid $2500 tax on it, the state of Florida will ta
      x 
      you $30000 and  will return $2500 to you. However, the burden of proof is on
      
      you. I  don't recall if $30000 is the top or bottom cap but if you have owne
      d  
      the plane less than 6 months, and they catch you there, THEY WILL TAX  YOU!!
      !!!  
      Don Routledge 731 614 3951(real name and phone so you  know I am not spammin
      g 
      you all.)
      
      
      In a message dated 3/19/2008 3:53:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
      lynnmatt@jps.net writes:
      
      
      Ooooh, S'n'F's soundin' better all  the time.
      I'm planning on the Homebuilt Camping, but according to  Travis, some  
      Sport Planes are camping in the Ultralight  area. So my plans aren't  
      fixed just yet, but probably the  Homebuilt Camp is a pretty good bet,  
      as it's more  descriptive of what I've got. Let's get together off- 
      list and  exchange cell numbers. Remember, I owe you a cigar.
      
      I wonder  if they allow for open fires? Gotta bring my tiki torches   
      and get busted again.  : )
      
      Lynn Matteson
      Grass  Lake, Michigan
      Kitfox IV Speedster  w/Jabiru 2200
      flying  w/480+ hrs
      do not archive
      
      
      On Mar 19, 2008, at 4:25 PM,  Marco Menezes wrote:
      
      > Where are you gonna camp Lynn? I'm  going to FL for a wedding in  
      > Miami and have planned a  night in Lakeland and a day at SNF. Let me  
      > know where  you'll be and I'll look you up, buy you a beer or 3.
      >
      >  do not archive
      >
      > Lynn Matteson  <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
      > --> Kitfox-List message  posted by: Lynn Matteson
      >
      > Count me in, Travis. A  friend and I are gonna try it again, he in a
      > C150, and hope  to get beyond our shutdown (chicken out) point of last
      >  year...Scott County Airport, Tennessee.
      > We may not leave  until Saturday, the 5th...not sure yet. Oh, wait,
      > you said  Friday the 11th! Just for the weekend, eh?
      >
      > I'm going  to S-N-F, but my friend is flying into Zephyrhills airport
      >  and getting a car from there. I'll be camping at S-N-F. What is  the
      > difference between the two locations that you mentioned  as far as
      > camping/distance is concerned?
      >
      > I  wouldn't mind landing in Mobile, AL, as I have yet to land  in
      > Alabama, and I need it as part of my tentative 49-state  landing
      > goal...eventual landing goal. : )
      > Please  send info to me at least, Travis...privately, unless you  have
      > a big enough demand that warrants list posting.
      >  Hot damn...I'm gettin' excited!
      >
      > Lynn  Matteson
      > Grass Lake, Michigan
      > Kitfox IV Speedster  w/Jabiru 2200
      > flying w/480+  hrs
      >
      >
      > On Mar 19, 2008, at 2:11 PM,  FlyboyTR wrote:
      >
      > > --> Kitfox-List message  posted by: "FlyboyTR"
      > >
      > > Who is going to  Sun-N-Fun?
      > >
      > > We are planning on flying to  Sun-N-Fun again this year. Last year
      > > we camped in the  Homebuilt Camping area. Not too bad. This year
      > > we are  returning to our rootsof many years ago and land and ca
      mp
      >  > in the Ultralight Area (it is now mostly Sport Planes). That is  a
      > > little closer to the facilities and not so far  out!
      > >
      > > Our tentative plans, weather  permitting, will be to depart Mobile,
      > > AL on Friday,  4/11/08, around daybreak or earlier. We=99ll land a
      t
      > >  Quincy, FL (2J9, just northwest of Tallahassee) for fuel and  a
      > > short break. From there we will fly direct to SNF.  Our departure
      > > from SNF will be Sunday morning, 4/13/08,  for the return flight
      > > back home.
      > >
      >  > Do we have any other Kitfox=99s on the forum that will be  flying
      > > (or driving) to SNF? If so, please share your  plans! If your
      > > route of travel will be taking you  through LA (Lower Alabama) we
      > > will be happy to provide  ground transportation for meals, hotels,
      > > etc (prior to  our departure on Friday!).
      > >
      > > We fly out of a  private strip, 1,800=99 (not on sectional) that i
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| Subject:  | Warp drive size? | 
      
      George,
                  Should have giving us a shout for your prop.. We are
      distributors for both IVO and Warp.  As for the IVO.. you can cut them down
      
      Fly Safe !!
      John & Debra McBean
      208.337.5111
      www.kitfoxaircraft.com
      "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of SUE MICHAELS
      Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 8:37 PM
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Warp drive size?
      
      Had a chat with the Kitfox people at air adventure last year in regards to
      that very question. They tried both 70 and 72" on their factory plane an
      said the 70" is faster at cruise and the 72" better at climb. 72" if your
      thinking about floats. I should have contacted the Ivoprop to see if they
      would cut a 71". That would be interesting!  I just received my new 70"
      electric Ivoprop this month and would love to try / buy a 72" cut down to
      71". Anyone interested in a 70" electric Ivoprop. I believe they are about 3
      months behind on orders.
      
      
      Checked by AVG.
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| Subject:  | Re: Flaperons with Vortex Generators | 
      
      Yes, I want to put Vortex Generators on my Flaperons, main wing, and around the
      tail feathers.
      
      If nobody has done yet I'll let you know what my findings are later this summer.
      
      Clint are you done with your VG write up and could you tell me where I could find
      it? I like to read it. Dave in Ontario said they did not do much for him but
      I think he is flying with the early model Wing like a model III.
      
      Robert
      San Diego
      V/0200
      
      ----- Original Message ----
      From: akflyer <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
      Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 4:51:19 PM
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Flaperons with Vortex Generators How about this Guy Buchana
      
      
      According to the Avid flight manual, after 23 degrees of flap when you input aileron,
      the down aileron creates too much drag and will pull the plane around to
      that side.  you input left aileron and the plane goes right...  When I an at
      low speeds and pulling flaps must turning is with the rudder anyway.
      
      --------
      DO NOT ARCHIVE
      Leonard Perry
      Soldotna AK
      Avid "C" / Mk IV 
      582 IVO IFA
      Full Lotus 1260
      95% complete
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172043#172043
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Flaperons with Vortex Generators How about  this | 
      Guy Buchanan
      
      Clint how's your VG report coming?
      
      
      ----- Original Message ----
      From: Clint Bazzill <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com>
      Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 3:09:57 PM
      Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Flaperons with Vortex Generators How about this Guy
      Buchanan
      
      Please tell me more about this control reversal?
      
      Clint
      
      > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Flaperons with Vortex Generators How about this Guy
      Buchanan
      > From: akflyer_2000@yahoo.com
      > Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 08:24:02 -0700
      > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
      > 
      > 
      > are you talking about actually putting the VGs on the flaperons in addition to
      putting them on the wings? I wonder if that would do anything to help the control
      reversal?
      > 
      > --------
      > DO NOT ARCHIVE
      > Leonard Perry
      > Soldotna AK
      > Avid "C" / Mk IV 
      > 582 IVO IFA
      > Full Lotus 1260
      > 95% complete
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > Read this topic online here:
      > 
      > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=171948#171948
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
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| Subject:  | Re: King Fox Tires | 
      
      
      Grumpy Guss's  brothers kids dont play fair. lol .  
      
      Douglas wheels are not chrome just aluminum. King fox tires are great on sand rocks
      grass and work great on the runway also. Yes mine have a small leak but i
      cannot find from where I used a bead sealant and still did not help. Just run
      around 6-8 pounds and you have a great off airport tire.
      
      --------
      FLY FUN FLY LOW FLY SLOW 
      John Perry
      Kitfox 2 N718PD
      582 cbox 2:62-1 IVO IFA
      1220 Full Lotus
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? | 
      
      Thanks Rick.  Good research.  That should give some closure to this.  
      Deke
      do not archive
      
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Mdkitfox@aol.com 
        To: kitfox-list@matronics.com 
        Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 11:19 AM
        Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans?
      
      
        Deke,
      
        The Florida tax thing is far fetched.  I've been reading the ANN and 
      trying to follow the story of the Florida tax.  I finally got fed up 
      with the accusations and obvious attempt to destroy SNF, so being a 
      concerned Florida resident I called the Florida Department of Revenue 
      this morning and talked (first hand) to Curt, who Campbell quoted.  The 
      bottom line is there is 'some' truth to what Campbell is reporting, but 
      is it the whole truth?  According to Curt, the FL DOR is not out to get 
      anyone.  As I understand it, the tax they are trying to collect is on 
      aircraft that are owned by Florida residents and registered is some 
      other place with no tie to that State, such as Delaware (where there is 
      no tax(?),) but the aircraft primarily used in Florida.  This is an 
      obvious attempt by someone to avoid paying the Florida sales tax.  Also, 
      this is pretty much aimed at new aircraft, i.e. an aircraft less than 6 
      months old.  The FL DOR is not running around checking every N number.  
      Most of the high profile cases are initiated by the tax departments of 
      other states alerting Florida to the situation.  (That alone is scary.  
      The states Tax departments talking to each other.)  Certainly he 
      couldn't give me details about the cases, but it sure sounds like FL is 
      doing their job and it's getting blown out of proportion.
      
        If someone wants to come here for SNF and is worried about this, don't 
      take my word for it, call Curt yourself and get the assurances you need 
      to feel good.  Here is FL DOR number:  1-850-487-3273.
      
        By the way, with regard to Revolution helicopters, I think Campbell, 
      despite his many peculiarities, did the aviation community a service.  
      He brought together many government and industry folks and placed them 
      in a forum where they could discuss the issues surrounding that 
      company's product.  I was there and as much as I don't really want to, 
      I'll give him his due, he hosted and funded that effort, which was 
      totally objective and not distorted by him.  Simultaneously another 
      effort was underway that was more official.  If I remember they both 
      reached similar conclusions.  Ultimately, Revolution sank on it's own.
      
        As for SNF, Campbell has a long standing feud with SNF that started 
      long before John Burton took it over.  I know John and he is honest as 
      the day is long, as is assistant, Wayne Boggs.  I would always trust 
      those guys.  As for Jim Campbell, it all depends which Jim shows up.  
      One is very good at what he does and the other is off the wall and you 
      need to watch your 6, if you know what I mean.
      
        Hope to see you at SNF.
      
        Rick Weiss
        Series V Speedster - N39RW, 912S Power
      
        DO NOT ARCHIVE 
      
        In a message dated 3/20/2008 8:06:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
      fox5flyer@idealwifi.net writes:
          For many years I've been following the saga of Zoom Campbell, owner, 
      editor, publisher of ANN (Aero News Network).  Zoom has definitely 
      created an armload of enemies at SNF, but as in most other cases where 
      accusations are made, there are always two sides to the stories.  Of 
      course, if it's printed on the Internet in various forums like bloggers, 
      forums, groups, "email lists", etc., it all has to be true!  I'm 
      definitely not defending him, but one needs to remember to approach 
      Internet "facts" with a healthy dose of skepticism.  One person on a 
      mission with good keyboard skills can do a pretty good job of vilifying 
      pretty much anyone, Zoom included.  Some people credit him with single 
      handedly destroying the Revolution helicopter business, but not killing 
      all those who died in them.
          As for the FL tax on airplanes, it sounds to me a bit far fetched, 
      but there may be some shred of truth in it.  More info is needed.
          Deke Morisse
          Mikado Michigan
          S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT
          "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but 
      progress."
          - Joseph Joubert
      
          do not archive
      
            ----- Original Message ----- 
            From: JC Propeller Design 
            To: kitfox-list@matronics.com 
            Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 3:30 AM
            Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans?
      
      
            Be aware of the owners of ANN versus SNF story, it is long and 
      fun, or sad story if you want. He is banned from SNF
            don't trust everything or anything you read, not even this.
      
            
      http://www.silverstatenews.com/0_ANN_Rocket_Racing_League/Jim_Campbell_Pa
      ge/index.htm
            
      http://www.silverstatenews.com/The_Extremist!/Jim_Campbell_Page/index2.ht
      m
            http://www.waterworkscase.com/Jim_Campbell's_Misconduct/page8.htm
            
      http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Rec/rec.aviation.homebuilt/2006-0
      1/msg00858.html
            
      http://eclipseaviationcritic.blogspot.com/2006/09/visions-of-sugar-plums-
      dance-in-their.html
              ----- Original Message ----- 
              From: Donroutledge@aol.com 
              To: kitfox-list@matronics.com 
              Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 1:20 AM
              Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans?
      
      
              Guys, The Florida tax plan on airplanes is on Aero News Network 
      on 03/14/2008. You can recover the archive from the location at the 
      bottom of the page. It is the third article down "Florida Tax Ripoffs... 
         "
              Don't fly your airplane to Florida until you read this   Don
              In a message dated 3/19/2008 6:28:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
      GONER752@aol.com writes:
                I also receive Aero news network. I can confirm Don's post. I 
      couldn't believe what I was reading, Crazy nutso,right? But there it was 
      in electronic black and white. The article went on to say that SNF had 
      been declining for years and this could be the proverbial stake in the 
      heart. The article also noted that an inquiry by phone to SNF staff 
      received less than forthcoming answers. Could this possibly be true? I 
      checked both AOPA and EAA sites, but could find no substantiating 
      stories. I guess if I was planning to fly my brand new plane to SNF(I 
      wish), I'd be digging deeper till I found out for sure. If anyone finds 
      out if this state revenue generating gone berserk is true, please let 
      everyone know.
                Greg G.
      
                In a message dated 3/19/2008 6:14:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight 
      Time, Donroutledge@aol.com writes:
                  If your going to Fun and Sun and you have owned your 
      aircraft less than 6 months, the desperate state of Florida can(WILL) 
      TAX you up to $30,000, YES THIRTY THOUSAND DOLLARS for just being in 
      Florida. I just read this on Aero-News Network last week. I went to 
      their archives so I could tell you exactly when it ran but their web 
      site is down. Here is an example; If you bought your airplane in 
      Michigan and paid $2500 tax on it, the state of Florida will tax you 
      $30000 and will return $2500 to you. However, the burden of proof is on 
      you. I don't recall if $30000 is the top or bottom cap but if you have 
      owned the plane less than 6 months, and they catch you there, THEY WILL 
      TAX YOU!!!!!  Don Routledge 731 614 3951(real name and phone so you know 
      I am not spamming you all.)
      
                  In a message dated 3/19/2008 3:53:38 P.M. Central Daylight 
      Time, lynnmatt@jps.net writes:
      <lynnmatt@jps.net>
      
                    Ooooh, S'n'F's soundin' better all the time.
                    I'm planning on the Homebuilt Camping, but according to 
      Travis, some  
                    Sport Planes are camping in the Ultralight area. So my 
      plans aren't  
                    fixed just yet, but probably the Homebuilt Camp is a 
      pretty good bet,  
                    as it's more descriptive of what I've got. Let's get 
      together off- 
                    list and exchange cell numbers. Remember, I owe you a 
      cigar.
      
                    I wonder if they allow for open fires? Gotta bring my tiki 
      torches  
                    and get busted again.  : )
      
                    Lynn Matteson
                    Grass Lake, Michigan
                    Kitfox IV Speedster  w/Jabiru 2200
                    flying w/480+ hrs
                    do not archive
      
      
                    On Mar 19, 2008, at 4:25 PM, Marco Menezes wrote:
      
                    > Where are you gonna camp Lynn? I'm going to FL for a 
      wedding in  
                    > Miami and have planned a night in Lakeland and a day at 
      SNF. Let me  
                    > know where you'll be and I'll look you up, buy you a 
      beer or 3.
                    >
                    > do not archive
                    >
                    > Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
                    >
                    > Count me in, Travis. A friend and I are gonna try it 
      again, he in a
                    > C150, and hope to get beyond our shutdown (chicken out) 
      point of last
                    > year...Scott County Airport, Tennessee.
                    > We may not leave until Saturday, the 5th...not sure yet. 
      Oh, wait,
                    > you said Friday the 11th! Just for the weekend, eh?
                    >
                    > I'm going to S-N-F, but my friend is flying into 
      Zephyrhills airport
                    > and getting a car from there. I'll be camping at S-N-F. 
      What is the
                    > difference between the two locations that you mentioned 
      as far as
                    > camping/distance is concerned?
                    >
                    > I wouldn't mind landing in Mobile, AL, as I have yet to 
      land in
                    > Alabama, and I need it as part of my tentative 49-state 
      landing
                    > goal...eventual landing goal. : )
                    > Please send info to me at least, Travis...privately, 
      unless you have
                    > a big enough demand that warrants list posting.
                    > Hot damn...I'm gettin' excited!
                    >
                    > Lynn Matteson
                    > Grass Lake, Michigan
                    > Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
                    > flying w/480+ hrs
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > On Mar 19, 2008, at 2:11 PM, FlyboyTR wrote:
                    >
                    > >
                    > > Who is going to Sun-N-Fun?
                    > >
                    > > We are planning on flying to Sun-N-Fun again this 
      year. Last year
                    > > we camped in the Homebuilt Camping area. Not too bad. 
      This year
                    > > we are returning to our rootsof many years 
      ago and land and camp
                    > > in the Ultralight Area (it is now mostly Sport 
      Planes). That is a
                    > > little closer to the facilities and not so far out!
                    > >
                    > > Our tentative plans, weather permitting, will be to 
      depart Mobile,
                    > > AL on Friday, 4/11/08, around daybreak or earlier. 
      We=99ll land at
                    > > Quincy, FL (2J9, just northwest of Tallahassee) for 
      fuel and a
                    > > short break. From there we will fly direct to SNF. Our 
      departure
                    > > from SNF will be Sunday morning, 4/13/08, for the 
      return flight
                    > > back home.
                    > >
                    > > Do we have any other Kitfox=99s on the forum 
      that will be flying
                    > > (or driving) to SNF? If so, please share your plans! 
      If your
                    > > route of travel will be taking you through LA (Lower 
      Alabama) we
                    > > will be happy to provide ground transportation for 
      meals, hotels,
                    > > etc (prior to our departure on Friday!).
                    > >
                    > > We fly out of a private strip, 1,800=99 (not on 
      sectional) that is
                    > > 
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| Subject:  | Re: VG's on Flaperon Re: Flaperons with Vortex Generators | 
      
      
      buddy up here put the VG's on his Avid model IV.  they made a big difference in
      landing speed. he can come in now at a ridiculous AOA just dragging it in.  He
      did not notice a big difference at first on take off because you cant get the
      AOA on the wing.  He went to extended gear and 25" tires to get a better AOA
      on the wing.  He would like to go even bigger on the tires as the plane is capable
      of flying at lower speeds than he can get it off right now.
      
      I have a set of 26" to put on mine as soon as I get off my butt and finish the
      other wing.
      
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      DO NOT ARCHIVE
      Leonard Perry
      Soldotna AK
      Avid "C" / Mk IV 
      582 IVO IFA
      Full Lotus 1260
      95% complete
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
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      LEAF part no G2100 (assorted colored arcs) was $4.75 (2005 catalog -sorry).
      
      fox5flyer <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net> wrote:    .hmmessage P {   PADDING-RIGHT: 0px;
      PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px  } 
      BODY.hmmessage {   FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma  }        Anybody know
      a source for the colored tape -- Yellow, red, green, white -- (or suitable alternative)
      to mark the airspeed indicator?  Prefer something I don't have to mail
      order for.
        Thanks,
        Deke Morisse
      Mikado Michigan
      S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT
      "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress."
      - Joseph Joubert
         
      
      
          ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Clint Bazzill 
        To: kitfox-list@matronics.com 
        Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 6:16 PM
        Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Tachometer
      
      
      UMA With color marking.  Had UMA regular for years and worked great.  Sold it on
      Ebay and bought one with color markings, wouldn't leave home without it.  
      
      Clint
      
      > Subject: Kitfox-List: Tachometer
      > From: Wilson@REinfo.org
      > Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 20:37:26 -0700
      > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
      > 
      > 
      > Found out today my tach is not accurate and will need to be replaced as it cannot
      be adjusted (through the hole in the back) far enough. It is the 2 1/4" Rotax
      tach.
      > 
      > What tach do you guys use for the Rotrax 912 (80hp) that fits the 2 1/4" panel
      hole? What do you like about yours? What do you dislike about yours? Where did
      you get yours?
      > 
      > --------
      > Steve Wilson
      > Huntsville, UT
      > Kitfox I-IV 85DD
      > 912A / 3 Blade Warp Drive 
      > Convertable Nosewheel & Tailwheel
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > Read this topic online here:
      > 
      > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=171859#171859
      > 
      &=========
      > 
      > 
      > 
      
      
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      *"....if you quickly pull some friction tape off
      the roll, you will see a static "light show" right where the pulled
      tape leaves the roll. One can amuse oneself for hours while watching
      this phenomenon.* : ) "
      
      Lynn,
         I'm so glad you got into aviation. You *definitely* needed a new hobby.
      One possible explanation....., If I'm correct, helmets were not used in
      hockey in the '60's eh?
      Look what happened to Alaska Leni too.....  ; )
      
      I'll stop now.... I feel a "chat warning" brewing
      
      Steve
      84KF
      
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      Steve-
      As a matter of fact, it was an on-ice incident at Jackson's (Mich)  
      Ice Arena, where I used to play, that caused the Michigan Hockey  
      Ass'n. to adopt the helmet rule. A guy by the name of John (I think)  
      Shawinabin,  was checked into the boards head first, and later died  
      as a result of the injuries. Our team, the Jackson Jaguars, were  
      playing two games at an outdoor ice arena in Bay City, I think, when  
      I learned of this incident.
      After this rule went into effect, we couldn't even set foot onto the  
      ice without a helmet on our heads.
      And that folks, is the reason that I am like I am....I played before  
      the helmet rule, and took a few to the noggin'.
      
      Lynn
      do not archive
      (I'll be good, Guy, I promise)
      
      On Mar 24, 2008, at 1:32 PM, 84KF wrote:
      
      >
      >
      > "....if you quickly pull some friction tape off
      > the roll, you will see a static "light show" right where the pulled
      > tape leaves the roll. One can amuse oneself for hours while watching
      > this phenomenon. : ) "
      >
      > Lynn,
      >    I'm so glad you got into aviation. You definitely needed a new  
      > hobby.
      > One possible explanation....., If I'm correct, helmets were not  
      > used in hockey in the '60's eh?
      > Look what happened to Alaska Leni too.....  ; )
      >
      > I'll stop now.... I feel a "chat warning" brewing
      >
      > Steve
      > 84KF
      > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _- 
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| Subject:  | Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs | 
      
      
      Louie- sent you a PM. I have the channel style gear legs and was going to weld
      four SS plates to the arms for reinforcement (see attachment). Before I do, however,
      I'd be interested in seeing a pic of your 'boxed' style leg if you have
      one handy. Was this a oem improved part or user mod? Thanks, Doug
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172272#172272
      
      
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| Subject:  | Warp drive size? | 
      
      OOOPs forgot Sensenich.. shame on me.
      
      Fly Safe !!
      John & Debra McBean
      208.337.5111
      www.kitfoxaircraft.com
      "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of jdmcbean
      Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 9:34 AM
      Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Warp drive size?
      
      George,
                  Should have giving us a shout for your prop.. We are
      distributors for both IVO and Warp.  As for the IVO.. you can cut them down
      
      Fly Safe !!
      John & Debra McBean
      208.337.5111
      www.kitfoxaircraft.com
      "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of SUE MICHAELS
      Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 8:37 PM
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Warp drive size?
      
      Had a chat with the Kitfox people at air adventure last year in regards to
      that very question. They tried both 70 and 72" on their factory plane an
      said the 70" is faster at cruise and the 72" better at climb. 72" if your
      thinking about floats. I should have contacted the Ivoprop to see if they
      would cut a 71". That would be interesting!  I just received my new 70"
      electric Ivoprop this month and would love to try / buy a 72" cut down to
      71". Anyone interested in a 70" electric Ivoprop. I believe they are about 3
      months behind on orders.
      
      
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      Checked by AVG.
      6:50 PM
      
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| Subject:  | Rotax 582 Starter Problem? | 
      
      
      All,
               Can a starter short a battery? This happened on my Ford van 
      and now I think it's happened to my Rotax 582. (Battery appears OK, 
      no start, battery stone dead. How did I know the starter failed on 
      the Ford Van? Easy, first I replaced the batteries, it wouldn't 
      start, then I replaced the starter. The starter fixed it.)
               Today upon start the Rotax starter engaged for maybe 1/2 
      second then died. Upon an attempted re-start all I got was a weak 
      solenoid click and the battery was down to 9.7 volts. As of Saturday 
      afternoon the battery was 13 volts and I had left nothing on since 
      then. (I do not know the voltage when I tried to start, but it was 
      definitely not 9.7 volts as the 1/2 engagement was much more 
      energetic than the subsequent clicks.) I have been fighting a cold 
      engine weak start for the past few months, assuming it was ground 
      issues. I had reworked the ground system and replaced the battery to no avail.
               First, what fails in the starter to dead short the battery? 
      Is there any way to diagnose the starter before I remove it? 
      (Resistance checks, etc.) Can I rebuild the starter? Finally, anybody 
      know if a 912 starter will work on the 582? (I'm interested in the 
      Sky-Tec starter.)
      
      Thanks,
      
      
      Guy Buchanan
      San Diego, CA
      K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? | 
      
      
      bump
      
      --------
      Travis Rayner
      Mobile, AL
      Skystar Vixen, N-789DF
      Continental IO-240,  Prince P-Tip Prop
      IFR with Autopilot
      AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather
      
      
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      There are a couple of brands of duct tape that come in all the Sesame Street
      colours.
      
      Do not archive
      Noel
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of akflyer
      Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 9:25 PM
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tachometer
      
      
      [quote="Fox5flyer"]Anybody know a source for the colored tape -- Yellow,
      red,  green, white -- (or suitable alternative) to mark the airspeed
      indicator?   Prefer something I don't have to mail order for.
       Thanks,
       Deke Morisse
      Mikado Michigan
      S5/Subaru/CAP 355+  TT
      "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but  progress."
      - Joseph Joubert
      
      
      >    ---
      
      
      Fingernail polish.. I have seen many A&P's use it.
      
      --------
      DO NOT ARCHIVE
      Leonard Perry
      Soldotna AK
      Avid "C" / Mk IV 
      582 IVO IFA
      Full Lotus 1260
      95% complete
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172045#172045
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? | 
      
      
      Sorry to be gone so long... a second thread was started on this topic and so I
      didn't get an email notifying me of activity!
      
      The SNF ultralight area (Paradise City) is now the current home of the Light Sport
      Aircraft.  Most of the LSA demos etc are done from there.  Interesting combo
      of UL and LSA.  I have never read where there are restrictions as to what can
      or can not land in the UL area.  My plane is more than capable of take-off/landing
      on their runway (better than most of the LSAs).  I would not recommend
      flying a conventional GA plane in there!  Depending on what/who is flying, you
      need to be able to slow down to at least 50 MPH in the pattern.  Fortunately
      the approaches for UL 9 & 27 are goodjust a short final!
      
      >From the Homebuilt Camping area to the showers is about an 8 minute walk.  From
      the UL area it is about 2 minutesnot a big deal one way or the other.  From
      the UL area you are very close to the UL runway and can watch flight-ops from
      your tent.  Also, usually more grass there! less dust!  The tram is only a minute
      or two away.
      
      Im glad the pictures (on the original post/thread) helped.  The NOTAM, printed
      arrival info for the UL area is really poor.  I will probably address that this
      year.  
      
      Travis  
       :D
      
      --------
      Travis Rayner
      Mobile, AL
      Skystar Vixen, N-789DF
      Continental IO-240,  Prince P-Tip Prop
      IFR with Autopilot
      AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
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| Subject:  | OT : Tachometer Tape | 
      
      Just be sure you don't get stuck on anything near. J!
      
      Do not archive
      
      Noel
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
      Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 10:51 AM
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Tachometer
      
      
      
      
      Steve-
      
      Also, the friction tape, probably now residing in the Smithsonian,  
      
      was once the only thing used on hockey sticks. Being a Michigander,  
      
      Steve, you should have known this. : )
      
      
      Bonus info: In the dark, if you quickly pull some friction tape off  
      
      the roll, you will see a static "light show" right where the pulled  
      
      tape leaves the roll. One can amuse oneself for hours while watching  
      
      this phenomenon. : ) This also works with other tapes as well.
      
      
      Lynn Matteson
      
      Grass Lake, Michigan
      
      Kitfox IV Speedster  w/Jabiru 2200
      
      flying w/480+ hrs/down for annual
      
      do not archive
      
      
      On Mar 23, 2008, at 10:47 PM, 84KF wrote:
      
      
      > Thanks for the clarification....    : )
      
      > 
      
      > Actually..., we do use clear nail polish in the restoration shop.   
      
      > Wires are often wrapped an\or bundled using the old fashion  
      
      > "friction tape"..., you know, the sticky black stuff that we used  
      
      > as kids to re-wrap worn baseballs.  After the wraping\bundeling is  
      
      > complete, the tape is coated with the clear polish to seal the tape  
      
      > from moisture. Looks good, and lasts for years. This is standard in  
      
      > the  military maintenance manuals from the '40's, except they  
      
      > specify clear industrial lacquer. No tie-wraps in an "original"  
      
      > Stearman or T-6
      
      > The little bottle of polish is easier to work with, and lives in  
      
      > the tool box quite nice.
      
      > 
      
      > Steve Benesh  A&P,I.A.
      
      > KF5\912UL
      
      > 
      
      > 
      
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| Subject:  | Rotax 582 Starter Problem? | 
      
      
      Guy, how old is the bad battery?  Older batteries, and some newer ones, 
      occasionally lose a cell for no apparent reason, especially those that have 
      a few years on them.  It can happen suddenly so I wouldn't be too quick to 
      blame the starter.  From your description of the problem, it sounds like 
      your battery has been warning you for awhile now and has finally given up 
      the ghost.  Try a new battery and see what happens.
      Deke Morisse
      Mikado Michigan
      S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT
      "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress."
      - Joseph Joubert
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Guy Buchanan" <bnn@nethere.com>
      <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
      Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 2:55 PM
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Rotax 582 Starter Problem?
      
      
      >
      > All,
      >         Can a starter short a battery? This happened on my Ford van and 
      > now I think it's happened to my Rotax 582. (Battery appears OK, no start, 
      > battery stone dead. How did I know the starter failed on the Ford Van? 
      > Easy, first I replaced the batteries, it wouldn't start, then I replaced 
      > the starter. The starter fixed it.)
      >         Today upon start the Rotax starter engaged for maybe 1/2 second 
      > then died. Upon an attempted re-start all I got was a weak solenoid click 
      > and the battery was down to 9.7 volts. As of Saturday afternoon the 
      > battery was 13 volts and I had left nothing on since then. (I do not know 
      > the voltage when I tried to start, but it was definitely not 9.7 volts as 
      > the 1/2 engagement was much more energetic than the subsequent clicks.) I 
      > have been fighting a cold engine weak start for the past few months, 
      > assuming it was ground issues. I had reworked the ground system and 
      > replaced the battery to no avail.
      >         First, what fails in the starter to dead short the battery? Is 
      > there any way to diagnose the starter before I remove it? (Resistance 
      > checks, etc.) Can I rebuild the starter? Finally, anybody know if a 912 
      > starter will work on the 582? (I'm interested in the Sky-Tec starter.)
      >
      > Thanks,
      >
      >
      > Guy Buchanan
      > San Diego, CA
      > K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
      >
      >
      > 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs | 
      
      
      Doug,
      
      that looks like the plate that  would change the channel to a boxed style. 
      I made mine out of  4130 channel welded inside of existing  channel . Both ways
      should be alot stronger than OEM . I think the lightening holes was a contributing
      factor to the weakness of the trailing arms.
      
      --------
      Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
      Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
      http://www.cfisher.com/
      
      
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      Kitfoxers, Skis, I want to build a set of skis. I have pictures of 2 
      designs of wheel skis from this site. They look like great designs 
      fabricated from steel tubing. One design is made of square tubing and 
      the other is fabricated from round tubing I was wondering about what 
      size wheels and tires to run. I have large 18" OD rough field tires 
      similar to the Kingfoxes. I would imagine smaller, maybe 16" OD tires 
      and narrower are what is needed. How do wheel skis mount on the axle? Do 
      you need to swap in a longer axle to accept the ski bushings on either 
      side of the wheel?
      
      Pat Reilly
      Mod 3 Rebuild
      Rockford, IL 
      
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| Subject:  | Re: King Fox Tires | 
      
      
      Wheels are spun aluminum. 
      not one piece but 2 halves welded in centre .
      
      Mine do not leak but i use high quality bead sealer. I did use dish soap and found
      that one would leak after a week or two. Go to ATV shop and get it done. I
      have my own tools for bead breaking and taking them off but if you don't you
      will take a while to change your tires. I can change two tires in under 30 mins
      including R & R from plane and de - mount and re mount.
      
      --------
      Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
      Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
      http://www.cfisher.com/
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172327#172327
      
      
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      Guy, 
      
      load test your battery after it fully charged.
      
      you likely gotta dead cell. 
      
      40 $ fora new battery -- mine a motorcycle battery and 4 years old still starts
      when  0 F  outside   :)
      
      --------
      Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
      Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
      http://www.cfisher.com/
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
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      Not to ruin the "tape sparks" here, but the thread was originally about tachometers.
      Anyone have any info on the darn things that measure RPMs and then can
      be highlighted with colored tape?
      
      --------
      Steve Wilson
      Huntsville, UT
      Kitfox I-IV 85DD
      912A / 3 Blade Warp Drive 
      Convertable Nosewheel & Tailwheel
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
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| Subject:  | Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs | 
      
      
      here is a pic of mine.  This is the inboard side of the left main, but they all
      look the same.  I believe that this is OEM, but I am not sure.  I know that I
      like the looks of mine better than the busted up things that Dave has pictures
      of.
      
      Louie
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172333#172333
      
      
      Attachments: 
      
      http://forums.matronics.com//files/003_213.jpg
      
      
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      There is lots of good info in the archives. Also John Perry knows stuff 
      about skis, he would be a good source to ask questions. 
      
      Dee Young
      Model II
      N345DY
      Do not archive
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Pat Reilly<mailto:patreilly43@hotmail.com> 
        To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com> 
        Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 3:51 PM
        Subject: Kitfox-List: skis
      
      
        Kitfoxers, Skis, I want to build a set of skis. I have pictures of 2 
      designs of wheel skis from this site. They look like great designs 
      fabricated from steel tubing. One design is made of square tubing and 
      the other is fabricated from round tubing I was wondering about what 
      size wheels and tires to run. I have large 18" OD rough field tires 
      similar to the Kingfoxes. I would imagine smaller, maybe 16" OD tires 
      and narrower are what is needed. How do wheel skis mount on the axle? Do 
      you need to swap in a longer axle to accept the ski bushings on either 
      side of the wheel?
      
        Pat Reilly
        Mod 3 Rebuild
        Rockford, IL 
      
      
      http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List<http://www.matronics.com/N
      avigator?Kitfox-List>
      http://www.matronics.com/contribution<http://www.matronics.com/contributi
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| Subject:  | Re: Rotax 582 Starter Problem? | 
      
      
      Guy,
      
      My starter did this same EXACT thing.  I bought new battery no joy.. just the weak
      clicking of the solenoid.  well that right thar pointed me to the solenoid,
      so I bought a new one and put that on.  Real nice clickety click still.  pulled
      starter and pulled the back off it, the armature was filthy and pitted.  I
      was not liking the thought of 700 bucks for a rotax starter so I got real smart
      and ordered a GPL starter.  you may say hey thats good thinking right... wrong.
      the GPL wont fit the Avid unless I cut out some of the firewall tubes and
      re-design the mounts... (I now have a real cool 500.00 anodized paper weight
      but hey it was cheaper than a Rotax starter)
      
       so I chucked the starter shaft in a drill and spun it while holding emory cloth
      on the armature.  The brushes looked good so I put it back together and wala
      works like new.
      
      So now I am ready, new battery, new solenoid, working rotax starter and a useless
      GPL with recoil < you wanna buy it??? LOL
      
      --------
      DO NOT ARCHIVE
      Leonard Perry
      Soldotna AK
      Avid "C" / Mk IV 
      582 IVO IFA
      Full Lotus 1260
      95% complete
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172344#172344
      
      
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      >  I know that I like the looks of mine better than the busted up things that Dave
      has pictures of. 
      > 
      > Louie
      > 
      
      
      Louie,   that will re-enforce the trailing arms BUT you should look over every
      other part that I showed you are the welds do break. A cracked weld is easy to
      spot before it  breaks away and If it does you will be looking are far more damage
      . 
      
      An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
      
      --------
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      Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
      http://www.cfisher.com/
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Rotax 582 Starter Problem? | 
      
      
      
      > My starter did this same EXACT thing. I bought new battery no joy.. just the
      weak clicking of the solenoid
      
      
      If the batter is losing voltage , that starter is unlikely the culprit. 
      However , the starter that needs it commutators turned and/or brushes can not perform
      well.   A simple clean up like you did was perfect, just make sure you
      clean between the commutator bars after using emery cloth or turing.  
      
      Hand propping is always an option , good reason for NOt having a clutch.
      
      --------
      Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
      Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
      http://www.cfisher.com/
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Rotax 582 Starter Problem? | 
      
      
      
      dave wrote:
      > 
      > > My starter did this same EXACT thing. I bought new battery no joy.. just the
      weak clicking of the solenoid
      > 
      > 
      > If the batter is losing voltage , that starter is unlikely the culprit. 
      > However , the starter that needs it commutators turned and/or brushes can not
      perform well.   A simple clean up like you did was perfect, just make sure you
      clean between the commutator bars after using emery cloth or turing.  
      > 
      > Hand propping is always an option , good reason for NOt having a clutch.
      
      
      I could charge the battery have it showing 13+ volts hit the key a couple times
      and bam, under 10 volts.  This was the old battery, brand new wet cell out of
      my kids snowmachine and finally a new Odesey battery that was gonna cure my problems...for
      what ever reason it can down to the starter killing  a new battery
      in just a few seconds of hitting the key.
      
      100% agree, hit it with air then electri clean then air again to make sure it is
      clean.
      
      I also stopped by the local auto electric repair shop and they said they could
      upgrade the brush plate and re-build the starter for under a 100.00.
      
      I am told that a starter of the 2000 sea-doo is the same one as the 582 and can
      be had new for around 280 bucks.
      
      --------
      DO NOT ARCHIVE
      Leonard Perry
      Soldotna AK
      Avid "C" / Mk IV 
      582 IVO IFA
      Full Lotus 1260
      95% complete
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172349#172349
      
      
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| Subject:  | Rotax 582 Starter Problem? | 
      
      Hi
      I replaced plus cable with heavy duty cable,works now.
      
      
      > Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:55:52 -0700> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com; rot
      axengines-list@matronics.com; aeroelectric-list@matronics.com> From: bnn@ne
      there.com> Subject: Kitfox-List: Rotax 582 Starter Problem?> > --> Kitfox-L
      ist message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>> > All,> Can a starte
      r short a battery? This happened on my Ford van > and now I think it's happ
      ened to my Rotax 582. (Battery appears OK, > no start, battery stone dead. 
      How did I know the starter failed on > the Ford Van? Easy, first I replaced
       the batteries, it wouldn't > start, then I replaced the starter. The start
      er fixed it.)> Today upon start the Rotax starter engaged for maybe 1/2 > s
      econd then died. Upon an attempted re-start all I got was a weak > solenoid
       click and the battery was down to 9.7 volts. As of Saturday > afternoon th
      e battery was 13 volts and I had left nothing on since > then. (I do not kn
      ow the voltage when I tried to start, but it was > definitely not 9.7 volts
       as the 1/2 engagement was much more > energetic than the subsequent clicks
      .) I have been fighting a cold > engine weak start for the past few months,
       assuming it was ground > issues. I had reworked the ground system and repl
      aced the battery to no avail.> First, what fails in the starter to dead sho
      rt the battery? > Is there any way to diagnose the starter before I remove 
      it? > (Resistance checks, etc.) Can I rebuild the starter? Finally, anybody
       > know if a 912 starter will work on the 582? (I'm interested in the > Sky
      -Tec starter.)> > Thanks,> > > Guy Buchanan> San Diego, CA> K-IV 1200 / 582
      ===================> > > 
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      Sorry to step out of line...
      
      
      All the dial type tachometers can do what you asked.  The digital ones you
      will have to know the red lines and the operating envelope.  Digital works
      better for accuracy but analogue works miles better for trends.
      
      
      Various methods of marking the glass in the front of the analogue
      tachometers has already been discussed.  Decide where to make your arcs from
      the operating manuals for your particular engine.
      
      
      Noel
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of SkySteve
      Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 7:36 PM
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tachometer
      
      
      
      
      Not to ruin the "tape sparks" here, but the thread was originally about
      tachometers.  Anyone have any info on the darn things that measure RPMs and
      then can be highlighted with colored tape?
      
      
      --------
      
      Steve Wilson
      
      Huntsville, UT
      
      Kitfox I-IV 85DD
      
      912A / 3 Blade Warp Drive 
      
      Convertable Nosewheel & Tailwheel
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172332#172332
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs | 
      
      
      That is what I'm doing now.  I have pretty much completed the left side, now I
      am ready to move to the right side.  I checked (visually) every component.  I
      found one bolt that was loose, but other than that, it really looks pretty good.
      
      Louie
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Rotax 582 Starter Problem? | 
      
      One word Leonard: E-Bay
      
      
      Do not archive
      
      Noel
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of akflyer
      Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 8:05 PM
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Rotax 582 Starter Problem?
      
      
      
      
      Guy,
      
      
      My starter did this same EXACT thing.  I bought new battery no joy.. just
      the weak clicking of the solenoid.  well that right thar pointed me to the
      solenoid, so I bought a new one and put that on.  Real nice clickety click
      still.  pulled starter and pulled the back off it, the armature was filthy
      and pitted.  I was not liking the thought of 700 bucks for a rotax starter
      so I got real smart and ordered a GPL starter.  you may say hey thats good
      thinking right... wrong.  the GPL wont fit the Avid unless I cut out some of
      the firewall tubes and re-design the mounts... (I now have a real cool
      500.00 anodized paper weight but hey it was cheaper than a Rotax starter)
      
      
       so I chucked the starter shaft in a drill and spun it while holding emory
      cloth on the armature.  The brushes looked good so I put it back together
      and wala works like new.
      
      
      So now I am ready, new battery, new solenoid, working rotax starter and a
      useless GPL with recoil < you wanna buy it??? LOL
      
      
      --------
      
      DO NOT ARCHIVE
      
      Leonard Perry
      
      Soldotna AK
      
      Avid "C" / Mk IV 
      
      582 IVO IFA
      
      Full Lotus 1260
      
      95% complete
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172344#172344
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs | 
      
      
      An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
      
      In this case it can be a lot more than that....
      
      
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      Louis, 
      
      Another thing to check for is to make sure your Gear actually does go over center
      when locked down.  Failure to do this will make you find a 4130 fabricator.
      
      --------
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      Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
      http://www.cfisher.com/
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172373#172373
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Rotax 582 Starter Problem? | 
      
      
      700 $ not bad for a Rotax brand new starter.
      you can buy the brushes locally usually. I do. 
      
      When you replace a starter make sure you tighten it properly .  
      1 mm  (.040 ) clearance. too tight and you will bust the alum housing it bolts
      too.  That is another 400 to 500$ 
      
      You better if you ready for a gear box to buy a new  E  gear box with starter for
      2300 $
      
      --------
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      Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
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| Subject:  | Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: Safety | 
      
      
      OK... from experience... we all know going to any fly-in one needs to have
      their head on a swivel... However, When going to the ultra-light fields be
      extra cautious... especially at Oshkosh or Sun-n-Fun.  There are several
      issues but here are 3 things that happen...
      
      1 They are not under any specific control.. ie... cleared to land or talking
      to anyone for that manner. Many are not even on a radio or have one for that
      manner.
      2 Although we all should read the NOTAMS.. many do not.  So that guy in
      front or behind or even off to the side may not be following the same
      procedure you are. Again not talking to anyone so there are not another set
      of eyes to help (this happens on the main fields as well)
      3 You are mixing with some traffic that you may not be accustomed to.. ie.
      I was amazed at the amount of wake turbulence there is behind a trike...
      and flying behind a powered parachute can be a real adventure... practice
      your flight at minimum control while doing S turns.
      
      
      Above all be safe and have fun !!
      
      
      Fly Safe !!
      John & Debra McBean
      208.337.5111
      www.kitfoxaircraft.com
      "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of FlyboyTR
      Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 1:45 PM
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans?
      
      
      Sorry to be gone so long... a second thread was started on this topic and so
      I didn't get an email notifying me of activity!
      
      The SNF ultralight area (Paradise City) is now the current home of the Light
      Sport Aircraft.  Most of the LSA demo(tm)s etc are done from there.
      Interesting combo of UL and LSA.  I have never read where there are
      restrictions as to what can or can not land in the UL area.  My plane is
      more than capable of take-off/landing on their runway (better than most of
      the LSA(tm)s).  I would not recommend flying a conventional GA plane in
      there!  Depending on what/who is flying, you need to be able to slow down to
      at least 50 MPH in the pattern.  Fortunately the approaches for UL 9 & 27
      are goodjust a short final!
      
      >From the Homebuilt Camping area to the showers is about an 8 minute walk.
      >From the UL area it is about 2 minutesnot a big deal one way or the
      other.  From the UL area you are very close to the UL runway and can watch
      flight-ops from your tent.  Also, usually more grass there! less dust!
      The tram is only a minute or two away.
      
      I(tm)m glad the pictures (on the original post/thread) helped.  The NOTAM,
      printed arrival info for the UL area is really poor.  I will probably
      address that this year.
      
      Travis
       :D
      
      --------
      Travis Rayner
      Mobile, AL
      Skystar Vixen, N-789DF
      Continental IO-240,  Prince P-Tip Prop
      IFR with Autopilot
      AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172300#172300
      
      
      Checked by AVG.
      6:50 PM
      
      Checked by AVG.
      6:50 PM
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs | 
      
      
      The left side goes over center like it is supposed to.  I haven't checked the "timing"
      of the main to the nose wheel yet, but that is another major concern of
      mine.  I just haven't gotten that far, yet. This whole process is a learning
      event.  I have enough background in mechanics to be comfortable doing the inspection
      myself, it just takes me a little longer because I have to learn how it
      works before I can be sure that it is safe.
      
      Louie
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Inspecting Spars & Struts | 
      
      
      If you suspect there may be a need consider installing a couple inspection 
      ports between the strut attach points, it will give you a way to inspect mid 
      wing.
      Lloyd C
      IM MI.
      Mod 5 912
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
      Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 3:32 AM
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Inspecting Spars & Struts
      
      
      >
      >
      >> inspect the wing spar and/or lift struts, other than just looking from 
      >> the outside.
      >> The lift struts are buried in their fairings and, of course, the spars 
      >> are under the fabric
      >
      >
      > Hopefully you can remove your fairings to check rods ends and bolts.
      > No much you can do on a covered plane other than check for security of 
      > ribs by trying to move them from outside.
      >
      > I looked at a Kitfox a few years ago that had been flipped and sunk while 
      > on floats. It was pulled out and never opened up and had no drain holes or 
      > seaplane grommets. When I grabbed the front and rear of wing  at the tip i 
      > could actually twist the wing as it seemed that the ribs had become 
      > insecure or rotten inside. It was actually mushy feeling.  Owner did not 
      > want to talk to me after I told him that.
      >
      > --------
      > Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
      > Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
      > http://www.cfisher.com/
      >
      >
      > Read this topic online here:
      >
      > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172144#172144
      >
      >
      > 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Flaperons with Vortex Generators | 
      
      Robert
      
      I tried putting some vortex generators on my flaperons but could tell no difference.
      I only tried it one time and did not do all the test flying repositioning
      and reflying required to actually see the slight difference that they might
      make.
      
      Let me know what you find.
      
      Jim Shumaker
      
      
      ----- Original Message ----
      From: Robert Harris <kitfox_robert@yahoo.com>
      Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 8:35:28 AM
      Subject: VG's on Flaperon Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Flaperons with Vortex Generators
      
      
      Yes, I want to put Vortex Generators on my Flaperons, main wing, and around the
      tail feathers.
      
      If nobody has done yet I'll let you know what my findings are later this summer.
      
      Clint are you done with your VG write up and could you tell me where I could find
      it? I like to read it. Dave in Ontario said they did not do much for him but
      I think he is flying with the early model Wing like a model III.
      
      Robert
      San Diego
      V/0200
      
      ----- Original Message ----
      From: akflyer <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
      Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 4:51:19 PM
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Flaperons with Vortex Generators How about this Guy Buchana
      
      
      According to the Avid flight manual, after 23 degrees of flap when you input aileron,
      the down aileron creates too much drag and will pull the plane around to
      that side.  you input left aileron and the plane goes right...  When I an at
      low speeds and pulling flaps must turning is with the rudder anyway.
      
      --------
      DO NOT ARCHIVE
      Leonard Perry
      Soldotna AK
      Avid "C" / Mk IV 
      582 IVO IFA
      Full Lotus 1260
      95% 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs | 
      
      
      Louie and dave - appreciate the pics and comments. The only reinforcing I've seen
      to date was Gary's and another fellow who both had plates welded to the backside
      of their gear leg channel. After mulling that over for a bit, I had decided
      to weld mine flat to the leg inside the channel for a bit more strength. Now
      I like this boxed style even better on a number of counts, including aesthetics.
      Kinda embarrassed to admit I hadn't thought of it, thanks for jump-starting
      my brain. -Doug
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172405#172405
      
      
      Attachments: 
      
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| Subject:  | Bypassing the muffler heat cuff? | 
      
      
      I am not sure exactly where I should post this question?  I have a Continental
      IO-240 in my Experimental Vixen.  I have the stainless steel heat cuff on the
      muffler to provide cabin heat.  I want to disconnect the Scat tubing (inlet and
      outlet) and bypass the heat cuff completely.  I will reroute and connect the
      Scat tubing.  This will allow non heated air to flow through the heat/vent system
      to provide more cooling in the cockpit.
      
      Will having the tubing disconnected create any strange heat issues?  I really dont
      think that it wouldbut would appreciate some feedback regarding this.  Thanks!
      
      Travis
       :D
      
      --------
      Travis Rayner
      Mobile, AL
      Skystar Vixen, N-789DF
      Continental IO-240,  Prince P-Tip Prop
      IFR with Autopilot
      AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172412#172412
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: Safety | 
      
      
      Excellent points!  Your comments are very well placed and should be taken to heart
      by anyone flying into a busy pattern.
      
      >From my past experience it can be a real zoo!  Back in the beginning I wanted
      to fly the pattern during open flying.  But realized in short order that one flight
      in and one flight out was more than enough!  With the LSA's flying in that
      area the overall speed has increased but it is tough being on short final with
      a plane (or something...) in front of you that is flying 20-25 MPH slower...and
      then they last short and stop!  Just remember if you have to do a go-around
      do it on the south side of the runway!
      
      Travis   :D
      
      --------
      Travis Rayner
      Mobile, AL
      Skystar Vixen, N-789DF
      Continental IO-240,  Prince P-Tip Prop
      IFR with Autopilot
      AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172414#172414
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: first flight | 
      
      Jeff,
      I couldn't find anything about shortening isolators on Skystars list of 
      SB's.
      Do you have a service bulletin number or a copy of it?
      Eric
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Inspecting Spars & Struts | 
      
      
      when I re-built my wings, I put inspection rings at each place I may need to get
      in and look at.  This included the ends of the drag tubes, over the pitot tube
      pick up and over each strut attach fitting.  I dont plan on cutting them out
      unless I need to look but they are there if I need them.
      
      --------
      DO NOT ARCHIVE
      Leonard Perry
      Soldotna AK
      Avid "C" / Mk IV 
      582 IVO IFA
      Full Lotus 1260
      95% complete
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172419#172419
      
      
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      Hey Pat,
      
        I have a set of skis that you could use as a pattern.  I live in Genoa.
      815-784-3476
      larry
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172432#172432
      
      
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      Pat-
      I built mine from round 4130 tubing. Tires are 16" OD, penetrate 2",  
      but I would make that less next time.
      My inner mounts are pictured below, with some of the hardware shown.  
      I'm looking for pics of outer "axle."
      
      
      The square aluminum block is bolted to the inner surface of the Grove  
      gear, and I added a zerk fitting to the ski at the bearing area. The  
      1/2" outer axle slides into the Grove axle.
      
      This was a slow year for ski flying for me. Only about 27 hrs logged  
      since late Dec. Bad weather for the Oshkosh Skiplane Fly-in cut into  
      my available time this winter. They are off now.
      
      Lynn Matteson
      Grass Lake, Michigan
      Kitfox IV Speedster  w/Jabiru 2200
      flying w/480+ hrs/down for annual
      
      On Mar 24, 2008, at 5:51 PM, Pat Reilly wrote:
      
      > Kitfoxers, Skis, I want to build a set of skis. I have pictures of  
      > 2 designs of wheel skis from this site. They look like great  
      > designs fabricated from steel tubing. One design is made of square  
      > tubing and the other is fabricated from round tubing I was  
      > wondering about what size wheels and tires to run. I have large 18"  
      > OD rough field tires similar to the Kingfoxes. I would imagine  
      > smaller, maybe 16" OD tires and narrower are what is needed. How do  
      > wheel skis mount on the axle? Do you need to swap in a longer axle  
      > to accept the ski bushings on either side of the wheel?
      >
      > Pat Reilly
      > Mod 3 Rebuild
      > Rockford, IL
      > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List_- 
      > ============================================================ _- 
      > forums.matronics.com_- 
      > ============================================================ _- 
      > contribution_- 
      > ===========================================================
      
      
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      the only remaining issue with my Model 7 is leaking gas caps.
      
      Filled the tanks, went for a short flight and returned with fuel running off both
      wings.
      one cap is new both gaskets are new and caps fit tight.
      
      David   M7 and 3
      
      
      do not arcive
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172442#172442
      
      
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| Subject:  | Wiki page "Homebuilders Tailwheel Install" | 
      
      
      Hi all,
       I just created this 1st draft Kitfox Wiki instruction page. Please 
      proof read and let me know if I need to fix any errors or clarify anything.
      Any and all comments, critiques are welcome.
      
      Main Kitfox Wiki page: http://wiki.matronics.com/wiki/index.php/Kitfox
      
      Direct link to Tailwheel page: 
      http://wiki.matronics.com/wiki/index.php/Kitfox/tailwheelswap
      
      -- 
      Rex Hefferan
      SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: VG's on Flaperon Re: Flaperons with Vortex | 
      Generators
      
      I have the 26" Alaskan Bushwheels and love them. My off field landings are so smoooth
      and landing and the ground handiling on paved runways was drastically improved
      compared to the 8.5" tire I had prior..
      
      DO NOT ARCHIVE
      Robert Harris
      V/0200
      
      
      ----- Original Message ----
      From: akflyer <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
      Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 9:07:22 AM
      Subject: Kitfox-List: VG's on Flaperon Re: Flaperons with Vortex Generators
      
      
      buddy up here put the VG's on his Avid model IV.  they made a big difference in
      landing speed. he can come in now at a ridiculous AOA just dragging it in.  He
      did not notice a big difference at first on take off because you cant get the
      AOA on the wing.  He went to extended gear and 25" tires to get a better AOA
      on the wing.  He would like to go even bigger on the tires as the plane is capable
      of flying at lower speeds than he can get it off right now.
      
      I have a set of 26" to put on mine as soon as I get off my butt and finish the
      other wing.
      
      --------
      DO NOT ARCHIVE
      Leonard Perry
      Soldotna AK
      Avid "C" / Mk IV 
      582 IVO IFA
      Full Lotus 1260
      95% complete
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172241#172241
      
      
      Never miss a thing.  Make Yahoo your home page. 
      http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
      
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      Lynn, Thanks for the photos. You really put some time and work into your sk
      is. I saw a picture on the archives of a pair Deke Morisse built from plast
      ic snowmobile skis(not wheel skis though) that are ingeniously simple.
      Do not archive
      Pat Reilly
      Mod 3 Rebuild
      Rockford,IL> From: lynnmatt@jps.net> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: skis> Date: 
      Mon, 24 Mar 2008 23:17:12 -0400> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> > Pat-> I b
      uilt mine from round 4130 tubing. Tires are 16" OD, penetrate 2", > but I w
      ould make that less next time.> My inner mounts are pictured below, with so
      me of the hardware shown. > I'm looking for pics of outer "axle."
      
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      Larry, Thanks, I plan on coming over there when it warms up. I want to mwwt
       you.
      
      Do not archive.
      
      Pat Reilly> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: skis> From: CrownLJ@verizon.net> Date
      : Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:02:31 -0700> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> > --> Kit
      fox-List message posted by: "LarryM" <CrownLJ@verizon.net>> > Hey Pat,> > I
       have a set of skis that you could use as a pattern. I live in Genoa.> 815-
      784-3476> larry> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matr
      ===================> > > 
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Rotax 582 Starter Problem? | 
      
      
      Thanks All,
               You were right, it was the battery. Somehow I killed it. 
      When I jumped it with my RV deep-cycle the engine started, still 
      hesitantly, like the starter was weak, but the engine started and the 
      load meter showed a charge. When I removed the RV battery the charge 
      went to zero and when I shut down the on-board battery was still 
      dead. I then worked around with the jumper cables trying to eliminate 
      various elements, starter solenoid, cables, etc. but nothing improved 
      the starting. It appears that the starter may be weak after all. I 
      still have to get voltage drops and cranking voltage. Unfortunately I 
      have to pull the engine to get access to the starter so that may be a while.
      
      
      Guy Buchanan
      San Diego, CA
      K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. 
      
      
 
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