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1. 02:13 AM - Re: Fuel for 582 rotax (steve shinabery)
2. 07:02 AM - Re: Fuel for 582 rotax (Robert Harris)
3. 08:27 AM - Re: gas cap leaks (Rick)
4. 08:37 AM - Re: Re: skis (Marco Menezes)
5. 12:32 PM - Re: skis (akflyer)
6. 01:19 PM - Re: Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs (Noel Loveys)
7. 01:27 PM - Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs (vetdrem)
8. 02:16 PM - Re: skis (Noel Loveys)
9. 03:06 PM - 95% Complete??? Registration questions (darinh)
10. 03:19 PM - Re: 95% Complete??? Registration questions (84KF)
11. 03:26 PM - Re: 95% Complete??? Registration questions (Dee Young)
12. 03:32 PM - Re: 95% Complete??? Registration questions (84KF)
13. 03:32 PM - Re: Re: skis (patrick reilly)
14. 04:21 PM - Re: Tricycle Kitfox II (SkySteve)
15. 04:37 PM - Re: skis (akflyer)
16. 05:13 PM - Re: Tricycle Kitfox II (dave)
17. 05:43 PM - Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs (dave)
18. 05:53 PM - Re: Fuel for 582 rotax (dave)
19. 06:04 PM - Re: Props (Michael Logan)
20. 06:12 PM - Re: Re: Tricycle Kitfox II (Rexinator)
21. 06:13 PM - Re: 95% Complete??? Registration questions (Fred Shiple)
22. 06:38 PM - Re: Tricycle Kitfox II (dave)
23. 06:42 PM - Re: Re: Tricycle Kitfox II (84KF)
24. 07:08 PM - Re: Re: Tricycle Kitfox II (Jose M. Toro)
25. 08:30 PM - Re: Re: skis (patrick reilly)
26. 09:00 PM - Re: Re: Tricycle Kitfox II (Rexinator)
27. 09:20 PM - Re: Re: skis (84KF)
28. 09:24 PM - Re: Re: Tricycle Kitfox II (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
29. 10:07 PM - Re: Re: skis (Guy Buchanan)
30. 10:07 PM - Re: 95% Complete??? Registration questions (Guy Buchanan)
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel for 582 rotax |
Guy Buchanan wrote:
>
> At 06:23 PM 3/25/2008, you wrote:
>> if there is no auto fuel to get at a airport.can I run my 582 on
>> 100LL ?would this hurt my engine.?what about 1/2+1/2 fly for app
>> 1+1/2 hr and fill with 100LL??or could I run all 100LL stright??Steve
>> Shinabery N554KF KF2 little 582
>
> Steve,
> I've been running my 582 for 200+ hours on nothing but 100LL
> spiked with Decalin lead scavenger. No real problems, but I seem to
> have more carbon build up than others.
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> San Diego, CA
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
>
Thanks Guy.I will see if I can get some ....Some where..It is just for
when I can not get auto fuel at a airport. Steve Shinabery N554KF
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel for 582 rotax |
I had very little carbon build up on my 582 Blue Head too. I ran only 100LL with
the top of the Line Oil from 1-800-Airwolf California Power Supply AV-2. That's
good stuff.
Robert
Former Model II/582
V/0200
----- Original Message ----
From: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 9:39:54 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel for 582 rotax
At 06:23 PM 3/25/2008, you wrote:
>if there is no auto fuel to get at a airport.can I run my 582 on
>100LL ?would this hurt my engine.?what about 1/2+1/2 fly for app
>1+1/2 hr and fill with 100LL??or could I run all 100LL
>stright??Steve Shinabery N554KF KF2 little 582
Steve,
I've been running my 582 for 200+ hours on nothing but 100LL
spiked with Decalin lead scavenger. No real problems, but I seem to
have more carbon build up than others.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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Most likely fuel sloshing forward on taxi and braking out the vent
tubes. Not much you can do except be gentle on stops and turns on the
ground. Doubtful it is happening in the air. IF your just doing short
flight you might consider reducing the fuel load. This will help in
several areas to include performance. If you really fill full and go for
a short flight and let her sit in the sun be prepared to come out and
see fuel dripping off the wings. I have no idea how I know this. I did
try sealing the small spaces on the fuel caps, soldered actually. It
helped a little. I do not really know what the new fuel caps look like
so can not be sure if that applies. One last thing. If you don't park
level with full or near full tanks you will also experience the full
coming out the vent tubes, acerbated by hotter weather of course. Hope
that helps some.
Rick
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dcsfoto
Sent: 2008-03-24 20:28
Subject: Kitfox-List: gas cap leaks
the only remaining issue with my Model 7 is leaking gas caps.
Filled the tanks, went for a short flight and returned with fuel running
off both wings. one cap is new both gaskets are new and caps fit tight.
David M7 and 3
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I'd buy a set too Leni, if the price isn't too steep. I'd rather be flying than
building skis. But first I need cabin heat. How about manufacturing a heat muff
assembly for the 582?
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Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
I'd be interested, but I'd be hard pressed put a price on what I'd
pay. When I think about parting with dollars, I start thinking about
what fun it'd be to build. But if you get some offers and start to
manufacture, let it be known and maybe the price would cause me to
rethink my frugalness.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/480+ hrs/down for annual
do not archive
On Mar 25, 2008, at 6:20 PM, akflyer wrote:
>
> I just did some checking on those skis. The look great and
> apparently worked killer on a kit fox, but were never offered to
> the public. Only one set was ever produced, they were shown to see
> what kind of interest would be generated.
>
> I would like to know if anyone on the list would buy a set and if
> so, what would you realistically be willing to spend for them. It
> may be worth it to get the molds and put them into production as
> right now it is a pretty much build your own for our size planes.
>
> Let me know if there is any interest.
>
> --------
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> Leonard Perry
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C" / Mk IV
> 582 IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1260
> 95% complete
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172638#172638
>
>
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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I am checking into production costs, but I would think a target price of 650-750
would not be out of line. It may very well be a tad cheaper but if they came
in at anything above that I doubt too many would buy them.
Also would think about making straight ski's too a little cheaper.
Just food for thought
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Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
95% complete
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| Subject: | Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs |
You reuse lockwire???
The leg fix looks good though.
Sigtaturea
Noel Loveys
Campbellton, NL, Canada
CDN AME intern, PP-Rec
C-FINB, Kitfox III-A
582 B box, Ivo IFA, Aerocet 1100 floats
noelloveys@yahoo.ca
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of vetdrem
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 7:39 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs
here is a pic of mine. This is the inboard side of the left main, but they
all look the same. I believe that this is OEM, but I am not sure. I know
that I like the looks of mine better than the busted up things that Dave has
pictures of.
Louie
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| Subject: | Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs |
Doug and Dave
I took apart the right main and looked close at how it is constructed. They were
originally the c channel with the lightening holes like the ones that failed
in the pictures. the guy that I bought them from said that he had beefed up
the mains, but it didn't mean much to me then, so I just let it go. Now I see
that he welded a SS plate to the web of the channel, making it twice as thick,
and welded a SS plate to the legs of the channel to turn it into a box shape.
This is different than I had said before, so I just wanted to correct myself.
I am adding a pic to better explain it.
Louie
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Lynn:
Have you ever seen the hydraulic skis they use on certified planes? The
weight of the hydraulic system is surprisingly low especially if you can
find the aluminium rams. They have two channels in the top of the ski that
go past and in front of the wheel hole then a double action rams push a
slides under each main wheel. The rams are operated by a hand pump in the
cabin. The skis usually have springs which allow the ski to be pushed down
a little bit as the slide covers the wheel but I'm sure low pressure tires
would do the same thing.
As for flying LSA on penetration skis there are two things to consider 1.
There is no reconfiguration in the air and 2. The plane is still described
as a land plane. If I was going to use them I'd talk to the FAA first.
I think the spirit of the LSA is offer flight without complexity i.e.
forgetting to put your gear down before landing. Float planes will land
pretty well on runways...Taking off again though is another matter. They
don't want to allow the planes to get too big, too complex or for that
matter too fast so that is the reason for no IFA props. And they don't want
anyone to come up with arguments like, "I wasn't using the IFA capability of
the prop", or the A&P was supposed to take that prop off before the plane
was registered, etc.
These are only opinions and as such may not be worth the paper they are not
printed on.
Sigtaturea
Noel Loveys
Campbellton, NL, Canada
CDN AME intern, PP-Rec
C-FINB, Kitfox III-A
582 B box, Ivo IFA, Aerocet 1100 floats
noelloveys@yahoo.ca
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: skis
I get so much drag with the tires poking through as far as they do,
and if I was to reduce that penetration to 1" instead of 2", I could
close up the hole that the tire protrudes through. Or, another school
of thought is to make the skis hydraulically operated, and instead of
a hole in the shoe for tire protrusion, make a notch like I have seen
on other skis, where the tire fits into a notch. Then the ski is
kinda "L" shaped, with the wide part of the ski out front like the
bottom of the "L", and the tire fitting into the notch which is the
included angle between the bottom of the "L" and the vertical part.
With this arrangement, there is no part of the shoe that will try to
undercut the snow and cause drag. This is what I fight now with shoe
area right behind the tire. I've seen this type of ski in pictures,
and I've surmised that it could be built as a rigid setup, or
possibly as a hydraulically-actuated lowering ski, that would take
the tire drag right out of the picture.
As a sport Pilot, I might not be able to get away with any form of
"repositionable" landing arrangement, however the FAA has approved
repositionable wheels for a couple of models of LSA water-landing
crafts, so the door has been opened.
I think it would be fun to try and make them out of aluminum sheet,
formed and riveted into a structural shape, then apply the nylon/
plastic/UHMW material on the bottom as a means to keep the shoe from
freezing/sticking to the surface.
I've seen pictures of Deke's, and his (no wheels) work well up in his
"neck of the woods" where they get more snow than down south here,
and it probably stays around longer. Down south here...160-some
miles...the snow comes and goes all winter long. Deke might even be
subjected to more lake effects snow, being close to Lake Huron. I am
lower mid-state, and we kind of get what's left over from battering
both sides of the state with snow. So, due to the vagaries of our
snowfall, I need wheels on the plane all the time.
Just thinking out loud some of the reasons for building mine the way
I did/do.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/480+ hrs/down for annual
On Mar 25, 2008, at 10:35 AM, patrick reilly wrote:
> Lynn, You mean your going to build anothe pair! I saw a pair of
> ingeniously adapted plastic snowmobile skis done by Deke Morrisse
> on www.sportflight.com. They are the other end of the spectrum in
> time and $ spent from yours. I just might use his technique and add
> skateboard wheels protruding through the bottom to roll in and out
> of the hanger.
>
> Do not archive
>
> Pat reilly
> Mod 3 Rebuild
> Rockford, IL
>
> > From: lynnmatt@jps.net
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: skis
> > Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 07:39:45 -0400
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >
> >
> > Thanks, Pat...the next pair will be wider, and maybe repositionable.
> > I may even try my hand at making them out of aluminum sheet instead
> > of the tubing.
> >
> > Lynn Matteson
> > Grass Lake, Michigan
> > Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
> > flying w/480+ hrs/down for annual
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mar 24, 2008, at 11:48 PM, patrick reilly wrote:
> >
> > > Lynn, Thanks for the photos. You really put some time and work
> into
> > > your skis. I saw a picture on the archives of a pair Deke Morisse
> > > built from plastic snowmobile skis(not wheel skis though) that are
> > > ingeniously simple.
> > > Do not archive
> > > Pat Reilly
> > > Mod 3 Rebuild
> > > Rockford,IL
> > >
> > > > From: lynnmatt@jps.net
> > > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: skis
> > > > Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 23:17:12 -0400
> > > > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > > >
> > > > Pat-
> > > > I built mine from round 4130 tubing. Tires are 16" OD,
> penetrate 2",
> > > > but I would make that less next time.
> > > > My inner mounts are pictured below, with some of the hardware
> shown.
> > > > I'm looking for pics of outer "axle."
> > >
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| Subject: | 95% Complete??? Registration questions |
First off...why is it that the last 5% of the project takes 95% of the time? Seems
like progress has slowed to a snails pace!
Now the questions: For those of you who have done this before, when does one get
the FAA involved for registration? Does the plane have to be "ready to fly"
before starting the paperwork? Obviously, the plane needs to be ready to go
when the DAR inspection is scheduled but can I get started on other paperwork
before this? If so, anybody care to give me some pointers?
Just FYI, I would like to be flying the Phase 1 hours by mid summer or earlier
if possible.
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Darin Hawkes
Series 7 (Painting)
914 Turbo
Kaysville, Utah
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| Subject: | Re: 95% Complete??? Registration questions |
".....when does one get the FAA involved for registration? "
http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/0ca2845e2aafffbb86256dbf00640cb2/$FILE/AC20-27F.pdf
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| Subject: | Re: 95% Complete??? Registration questions |
I am going to answer you Darin as I had inspectors from SLC come to
Idaho to do mine. I would suggest you start your paper work now. The
plane should be pretty well done but it take quit a bit of time to get
them there to do the inspection. When they did get there they were not
concerned to find mine lacking a couple of things. They were very good
to work with and quit helpful. They set up my test flight restrictions
and the items left unfinished were completed. I was permitted begin
testing with no further inspections. That is the last I heard from them.
Dee Young
Model II
N345DY
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From: darinh<mailto:gerns25@netscape.net>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 4:03 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: 95% Complete??? Registration questions
<gerns25@netscape.net<mailto:gerns25@netscape.net>>
First off...why is it that the last 5% of the project takes 95% of the
time? Seems like progress has slowed to a snails pace!
Now the questions: For those of you who have done this before, when
does one get the FAA involved for registration? Does the plane have to
be "ready to fly" before starting the paperwork? Obviously, the plane
needs to be ready to go when the DAR inspection is scheduled but can I
get started on other paperwork before this? If so, anybody care to give
me some pointers?
Just FYI, I would like to be flying the Phase 1 hours by mid summer or
earlier if possible.
--------
Darin Hawkes
Series 7 (Painting)
914 Turbo
Kaysville, Utah
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| Subject: | Re: 95% Complete??? Registration questions |
Hmm...bad link?
try..
http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/gen_av/ultralights/amateur_built/amateur_regs/
And again...
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Your 582 is water cooled. Get a Fiero heater core, $30 on e-bay, a Radio Sh
ack computer cooling fan, $15 (they are 12 volt), mount and plumb it. Forge
t about heater muffs. They are for aircooled engines. You have hot water, I
t is a better method of heating, use it.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
itfox-List: Re: skisTo: kitfox-list@matronics.com
I'd buy a set too Leni, if the price isn't too steep. I'd rather be flying
than building skis. But first I need cabin heat. How about manufacturing a
heat muff assembly for the 582?
do not archiveLynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
be hard pressed put a price on what I'd pay. When I think about parting wi
th dollars, I start thinking about what fun it'd be to build. But if you ge
t some offers and start to manufacture, let it be known and maybe the price
would cause me to rethink my frugalness.Lynn MattesonGrass Lake, MichiganK
itfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200flying w/480+ hrs/down for annualdo not arc
hiveOn Mar 25, 2008, at 6:20 PM, akflyer wrote:> --> Kitfox-List message po
sted by: "akflyer" >> I just did some checking on those skis. The look grea
t and > apparently worked killer on a kit fox, but were never offered to >
the public. Only one set was ever produced, they were shown to see > what k
ind of interest would be generated.>> I would like to know if anyone on the
list would buy a set and if > so, what would you realistically be willing
to spend for them. It > may be worth it to get the molds and put them into
production as > right now it is a pretty much build your own for our size p
lanes.>> Let me know if there is any interest.>> --------> DO NOT ARCHIVE>
Leonard Perry> Soldotna AK> Avid "C" / Mk IV> 582 IVO IFA> Full Lotus 1260>
95% complete>>>>> Read this topic online
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| Subject: | Re: Tricycle Kitfox II |
I'm reporting back on the Model 1 increase in gross weight to 1050#. I just got
off the phone with Dan Denney. We had a good discussion regarding 85DD increase
in gross weight from 850# to 1050#. Dan told me that he replaced the model
1 wings with model III wings & flaperons which he took off 89DD. I have verified
this from my airframe logbook. Dan told me the gross weight of 85DD is
indeed 1050#. Following this and the addition of the 912A Rotax, the Airworthiness
Certificate was amended.
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Steve Wilson
Huntsville, UT
Kitfox I-IV 85DD
912A / 3 Blade Warp Drive
Convertable Nosewheel & Tailwheel
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the heater core will not even come close to putting out the hot air a properly
constructed heat muff will.
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Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
95% complete
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| Subject: | Re: Tricycle Kitfox II |
> Dan told me that he replaced the model 1 wings with model III wings & flaperons
which he took off 89DD
Steve , Excellent !!
What is your Wing strut diamters ?
--------
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
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| Subject: | Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs |
Louie, good stuff.
Just remember, you don't want the cable to be supporting the weight but the over
centre stop. If the cable does the 3/16's bols will break, bend and/ or the
SS tubing will fail.
I have fixed several of these on this model floats and made new parts for them
outta 4130
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel for 582 rotax |
Lead will fouls your plus more often and will end up in crankcase in bearings.
I get 150 hours of one set of plugs and never have to use any "additives."
I run regular gas 95% the odd time premium if I land at marina and that all that
I can get and the very odd time a few gallons of Av gas if someone gives it
to me. I would bring in a few jerry cans of regular gas before I used AVGAS.
It is just pointless to use AVGAS and add an additive.
Also I use only Bombardier XPS mineral oil .......... API - TC rated.
That is what Rotax recommends and ROTAX recommend to NOT use AVGAS.
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My wife had a Pulsar 912 with a wooden ground adjustable prop and a friend
of ours had an identical Pulsar but with the Prince P-Tip prop. With him
weighing at least 50 pounds heavier since I am a small person, you would
think that I would have the advantage. Not so. On takeoff, he would pull
away from me easily and in cruise he was still 5 to 10 mph faster than me.
That was a very good prop and he swears by it.
Mike Logan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cudnohufsky's
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 8:38 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Props
Looking for imput on props for a Model 5 912UL combo. I know some are flying
the IVO IFA, has it helped with the float spoken of during landing when the
idle speed is kept around 2K ? Anyone have any experience with a Prince
P-Tip prop?
Lloyd C
IM Mi
Mod 5 912UL
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| Subject: | Re: Tricycle Kitfox II |
I wonder what the gross weight would be if Model 4 wings were used? I
seem to remember someone on this list who has done something like this.
--
Rex Hefferan
SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs
SkySteve wrote:
>
>I'm reporting back on the Model 1 increase in gross weight to 1050#. I just got
off the phone with Dan Denney. We had a good discussion regarding 85DD increase
in gross weight from 850# to 1050#. Dan told me that he replaced the model
1 wings with model III wings & flaperons which he took off 89DD. I have verified
this from my airframe logbook. Dan told me the gross weight of 85DD is
indeed 1050#. Following this and the addition of the 912A Rotax, the Airworthiness
Certificate was amended.
>
>--------
>Steve Wilson
>Huntsville, UT
>Kitfox I-IV 85DD
>912A / 3 Blade Warp Drive
>Convertable Nosewheel & Tailwheel
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 95% Complete??? Registration questions |
The EAA will supply an info pack that includes all the necessary papers and clear
instructions on when and how to get them to the FAA. The best $12 I spent when
building my Kitfox and now registering the RV7.
You need to allow 12 weeks to get your registration completed by the FAA, so should
get your registration form, bill of sale and notarized builder form to them
now.
Fred
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| Subject: | Re: Tricycle Kitfox II |
> I wonder what the gross weight would be if Model 4 wings were used? I
> seem to remember someone on this list who has done something like this.
Guys, Wake up !!!! You cannot JUST change the wings and get a higher gross weight.
There are many other things that have changed from Models 1 to IV
eg- Tube size, and wall thickness and different bracing.
this alone will be found on longerons, crossmembers, wingstruts.
If you believe that this is infact the correct gross weight get Mc Bean to tell
you in writing. Or even Dan Denney since he is the one who set the wight in the
first place.
But remember the builder can SET the wight to what ever he /she wants.
I would compare to other model 1s and 3 models to see what changed.
And for you who do not know there were early model failure of parts of the fuselage
near the wing struts attach point at the longerons. No one wants to talk
about that but Dan denney would certainly know this.
--------
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| Subject: | Re: Tricycle Kitfox II |
Steve,
Great name...
Would it be correct..., or incorrect..., to say that there was no
information about the "gross weight" concerning N85DD on file with the
FAA that would have made the conversation with Mr.Denny unnecessary?
(Note, to no one in particular, all past and present aircraft info is
available on a CD thru the FAA at
http://162.58.35.241/e.gov/ND/airrecordsND.asp for $10.00)
Would it be correct, or incorrect, to say that Mr. Denny (and who would
know better?) has only stated that in his (undisputable) opinion, due to
modification to the original design, that the aircraft is now safe to fly at
a total weight of 1050#, yet this weight is not "certificated" or
"certified" by the FAA in any way?
(I am preparing a post on this exact subject and it would be helpful
information. Your response might save me some grief..., or help prove a
point.)
Respectfully,
Steve Benesh
84KF
KF5\912UL
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| Subject: | Re: Tricycle Kitfox II |
"dave" <dave@cfisher.com> wrote:
"And for you who do not know there were early model failure of parts of the fuselage
near the wing struts attach point at the longerons. No one wants to talk
about that but Dan denney would certainly know this."
Dave, do you have specific information on this statement?
Jose
----- Original Message ----
From: dave <dave@cfisher.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 9:35:57 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tricycle Kitfox II
> I wonder what the gross weight would be if Model 4 wings were used? I
> seem to remember someone on this list who has done something like this.
Guys, Wake up !!!! You cannot JUST change the wings and get a higher gross weight.
There are many other things that have changed from Models 1 to IV
eg- Tube size, and wall thickness and different bracing.
this alone will be found on longerons, crossmembers, wingstruts.
If you believe that this is infact the correct gross weight get Mc Bean to tell
you in writing. Or even Dan Denney since he is the one who set the wight in the
first place.
But remember the builder can SET the wight to what ever he /she wants.
I would compare to other model 1s and 3 models to see what changed.
And for you who do not know there were early model failure of parts of the fuselage
near the wing struts attach point at the longerons. No one wants to talk
about that but Dan denney would certainly know this.
--------
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
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http://www.cfisher.com/
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I would imagine you are right. But, the question is, will the heater core p
ut out "enough" heat.
Do not archive
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 Rebuild
Rockford, IL> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: skis> From: akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:35:12 -0700> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> > --
heater core will not even come close to putting out the hot air a properly
constructed heat muff will.> > --------> DO NOT ARCHIVE> Leonard Perry> Sol
dotna AK> Avid "C" / Mk IV > 582 IVO IFA> Full Lotus 1260> 95% co
mplete> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: Tricycle Kitfox II |
Just to clarify, My question was meant as a point of engineering
curiosity. I am aware that certain fuselage changes were made with each
model and gross weight increase. This question probably may only be
answered by a qualified Aeronatical Engineer. Until then I withdraw the
question.
--
Rex Hefferan
SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs
dave wrote:
>
>
>>I wonder what the gross weight would be if Model 4 wings were used? I
>>seem to remember someone on this list who has done something like this.
>>
>>
>
>Guys, Wake up !!!! You cannot JUST change the wings and get a higher gross weight.
There are many other things that have changed from Models 1 to IV
>eg- Tube size, and wall thickness and different bracing.
>this alone will be found on longerons, crossmembers, wingstruts.
>
>If you believe that this is infact the correct gross weight get Mc Bean to tell
you in writing. Or even Dan Denney since he is the one who set the wight in
the first place.
>
>But remember the builder can SET the wight to what ever he /she wants.
>
>I would compare to other model 1s and 3 models to see what changed.
>
>And for you who do not know there were early model failure of parts of the fuselage
near the wing struts attach point at the longerons. No one wants to talk
about that but Dan denney would certainly know this.
>
>--------
>Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
>Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
>http://www.cfisher.com/
>
>
>
>
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Pat,
The Series 5 I have is equipped with a heater core. Referring to the
original Skystar packing list, dated 01/23/95, it was part of "Heater Kit,
Single, 912 #69014.000 ". The "Radiator, Cabin Heater" is part #15044.000.
The included fan was a 4"
All other parts and part #'s are included in the list also.
The heater does work. But, you wouldn't know it unless you stick your hand
under it.
The total efficiency is going to be determined by actual coolant temps and
how air tight you cabin is.
I do not have a thermostat in the system so coolant temps are at the mercy
of ambient air temps and my cabin has a lot of drafts so, in *my particular
plane*, it's just about useless. With some work (read $$), maybe.
I'm talking about flying in 35' 'F or less, and when you consider wind chill
and any altitude, It gets cold. Gloves were mandatory for me this winter.
I am not saying it couldn't be better... it is all due to the individual
construction of the plane, and mine has not been modified from the original
design.
Steve
84KF
KF5\912UL
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| Subject: | Re: Tricycle Kitfox II |
The chain is only as strong as it's weakest link, I know that Kitfox want
ed to sell me a sub kit of Kitfox 4 wings for my Kitfox 3 project and they
said they would fit just fine. But if the carry throughs (or struts or som
ething else) was only good for a lower weigh, that would be the weakest lin
k. I know they didn't say I would end up with a higher gross weight JIm
Chuk Avids Mn> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:56:37 -0600> To: kitfox-list@matr
onics.com> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Tricycle Kitfox II> From: hefferan
l.com>> > Just to clarify, My question was meant as a point of engineering
> curiosity. I am aware that certain fuselage changes were made with each >
model and gross weight increase. This question probably may only be > answ
ered by a qualified Aeronatical Engineer. Until then I withdraw the > quest
ion.> > -- > Rex Hefferan> SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repai
sher.com>> > > >> >>I wonder what the gross weight would be if Model 4 wing
s were used? I > >>seem to remember someone on this list who has done somet
hing like this.> >> > >>> >> >Guys, Wake up !!!! You cannot JUST change the
wings and get a higher gross weight. There are many other things that have
changed from Models 1 to IV > >eg- Tube size, and wall thickness and diffe
rent bracing. > >this alone will be found on longerons, crossmembers, wings
truts.> >> >If you believe that this is infact the correct gross weight get
Mc Bean to tell you in writing. Or even Dan Denney since he is the one who
set the wight in the first place. > >> >But remember the builder can SET t
he wight to what ever he /she wants.> >> >I would compare to other model 1s
and 3 models to see what changed. > >> >And for you who do not know there
were early model failure of parts of the fuselage near the wing struts atta
ch point at the longerons. No one wants to talk about that but Dan denney w
ould certainly know this.> >> >--------> >Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada> >Fl
========================> >
>
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At 09:16 PM 3/26/2008, you wrote:
>I do not have a thermostat in the system so coolant temps are at the
>mercy of ambient air temps and my cabin has a lot of drafts so, in
>my particular plane, it's just about useless. With some work (read $$), maybe.
The thermostat is only 135F. Even with it in you're not
going to get much heat unless you're running near the 180F max water
temp. On my plane that only happens in the summer on climb-out. Not
much requirement for a heater then.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: 95% Complete??? Registration questions |
At 03:03 PM 3/26/2008, you wrote:
>Now the questions: For those of you who have done this before, when
>does one get the FAA involved for registration? Does the plane have
>to be "ready to fly" before starting the paperwork? Obviously, the
>plane needs to be ready to go when the DAR inspection is scheduled
>but can I get started on other paperwork before this? If so,
>anybody care to give me some pointers?
You can do the registration anytime. If you are an EAA
member their membership pages walk you through it nicely. The FAA
also has a nice pamphlet on registration. Working from memory you:
1. Reserve an N number on-line. (You can let the FAA pick it, but why?)
2. Make sure you've got a complete bill of sale trace from the
original manufacturer to you. For some reason the FAA has gotten anal
about this.
3. Fill out and mail in your registration with the bill of sale information.
4. Get your registration back.
5. Put on your N numbers. (I wouldn't do it until after registration,
just in case.)
6. Finish the plane, including a complete "conditional inspection".
7. Make an appointment with a convenient DAR. Take out a 3rd mortgage
to pay his fee. (You already took out a 2nd to finish the plane, right?)
8. MAKE SURE THE INFORMATION ON THE DATA PLATE IS EXACTLY WHAT IS ON
THE FAA FORMS. My DAR was seriously anal about this. I don't know
why. I had to redo the forms before his arrival to exactly match my data plate.
9. The DAR comes and verifies that yes, your's looks like an
airplane, helps you fill out the forms, takes your home in payment,
then leaves.
10. You go flying.
11. If you want to do your own conditional inspections you go to your
local FSDO and fill out another form and they'll issue a Repairman's
Certificate. They might even ask if you built it.
Mea culpa if I missed a few steps, it's been a while and I
worked from memory.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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