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1. 12:43 AM - Re: Re: Fuel for 582 rotax (Noel Loveys)
2. 01:04 AM - Re: Re: skis (Noel Loveys)
3. 03:24 AM - Re: Re: Tricycle Kitfox II (Noel Loveys)
4. 03:30 AM - Re: Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs (Noel Loveys)
5. 04:09 AM - Gasoline Question? (RAY Gignac)
6. 04:20 AM - Wanted Starting motor (David Dawe)
7. 05:26 AM - Rotax Starting motor (Dee Young)
8. 05:42 AM - Re: Gasoline Question? (Bob Jones)
9. 06:00 AM - Re: 95% Complete??? Registration questions (DanM)
10. 06:08 AM - Re: Gasoline Question? (RAY Gignac)
11. 06:23 AM - Re: 95% Complete??? Registration questions (Marco Menezes)
12. 06:33 AM - Re: 582 Cabin Heat. Was Re: skis (Marco Menezes)
13. 07:33 AM - Re: 95% Complete??? Registration questions (dcsfoto)
14. 09:36 AM - Re: 582 Cabin Heat. Was Re: skis (patrick reilly)
15. 10:02 AM - Re: Fuel for 582 rotax (Perkins, Mike)
16. 11:01 AM - Re: Re: skis (Noel Loveys)
17. 11:10 AM - Re: Gasoline Question? (Noel Loveys)
18. 11:17 AM - Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs (dholly)
19. 12:38 PM - Re: Gasoline Question? (Noel Loveys)
20. 01:24 PM - OFF TOPIC taildraggers poem (Lynn Matteson)
21. 01:26 PM - Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs (vetdrem)
22. 02:31 PM - Re: OFF TOPIC taildraggers poem (Pete Christensen)
23. 03:32 PM - Re: OFF TOPIC taildraggers poem (Lynn Matteson)
24. 03:39 PM - Re: Re: skis (patrick reilly)
25. 04:31 PM - Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs (dholly)
26. 04:33 PM - Re: 582 Cabin Heat. Was Re: skis (Noel Loveys)
27. 04:35 PM - Re: Tricycle Kitfox II (dave)
28. 04:37 PM - Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs (dave)
29. 05:40 PM - 582 Cabin Heat. Was Re: skis (akflyer)
30. 05:59 PM - Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs (vetdrem)
31. 06:33 PM - Re: 582 Cabin Heat. Was Re: skis (84KF)
32. 06:33 PM - Re: 582 Cabin Heat. Was Re: skis (patrick reilly)
33. 07:30 PM - 582 Cabin Heat. Was Re: skis (avidfox)
34. 08:14 PM - V/G s (John Murphy)
35. 08:20 PM - Re: Gasoline Question? (jeff puls)
36. 10:03 PM - Re: V/G s (Clint Bazzill)
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel for 582 rotax |
Just to add to what Dave said:
If you read the label on the additive you will find it cleans the exhaust
valves and upper combustion chambers. Seeing as how the additive won't
protect from lead plating onto the main roller type bearings when the fuel
passes through the base of the engine, There are no exhaust valves and the
effect on build up on the spark plugs is minimal if at all, the additive
doesn't seem to do anything but add drain your wallet.
Monsieur Bombardier et al, who builds the engine in the first place, does
not recommend the use of AVGAS so I won't either.
Noel
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dave
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 10:20 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Fuel for 582 rotax
Lead will fouls your plus more often and will end up in crankcase in
bearings.
I get 150 hours of one set of plugs and never have to use any "additives."
I run regular gas 95% the odd time premium if I land at marina and that all
that I can get and the very odd time a few gallons of Av gas if someone
gives it to me. I would bring in a few jerry cans of regular gas before I
used AVGAS. It is just pointless to use AVGAS and add an additive.
Also I use only Bombardier XPS mineral oil .......... API - TC rated.
That is what Rotax recommends and ROTAX recommend to NOT use AVGAS.
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I would argue the amphib floats change a seaplane into a land plane and that
is allowed. With penetration or retractable skis on the other hand a land
plane remains a land plane so why shouldn't it also be allowed for the same
reason as amphib floats... It's safer. At least in the winter when there
are large expanses of snow that you can't do a forced approach on. Will
guys who have the skis use them not in forced approaches?? I'd sure hope so.
What happens if you land on a runway with your skis lowered (retractable)...
You go out and buy another set of basses for your skis... You won't be
taking off again unless there is a lot of snow on the runway..
Noel
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of akflyer
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 4:40 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: skis
[quote="avidfox"]Opps skis...not floats...my bad.
Steve, with foot in mouth
> [b]
Steve, I would argue that the snow or ice that Lynn would be landing on is
actually water that is a bit cold.. I would argue it just the same as they
did for amphibs, and get a ruling that retractable skis are no different.
Just my argumentative side, that I am sure you were unaware I had. ;-)
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Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
95% complete
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| Subject: | Re: Tricycle Kitfox II |
How did you contact Dan Denney? I have a model II that was supposed to be
upgraded to model III and would like his views on upgrading the gross weight
to 1050 on floats when registration is amended this spring.
Noel
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of SkySteve
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 8:47 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tricycle Kitfox II
I'm reporting back on the Model 1 increase in gross weight to 1050#. I just
got off the phone with Dan Denney. We had a good discussion regarding 85DD
increase in gross weight from 850# to 1050#. Dan told me that he replaced
the model 1 wings with model III wings & flaperons which he took off 89DD.
I have verified this from my airframe logbook. Dan told me the gross weight
of 85DD is indeed 1050#. Following this and the addition of the 912A Rotax,
the Airworthiness Certificate was amended.
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Steve Wilson
Huntsville, UT
Kitfox I-IV 85DD
912A / 3 Blade Warp Drive
Convertable Nosewheel & Tailwheel
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| Subject: | Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs |
Is there a reason the welds are not continuous?
Noel
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of vetdrem
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 5:55 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs
Doug and Dave
I took apart the right main and looked close at how it is constructed. They
were originally the c channel with the lightening holes like the ones that
failed in the pictures. the guy that I bought them from said that he had
beefed up the mains, but it didn't mean much to me then, so I just let it
go. Now I see that he welded a SS plate to the web of the channel, making
it twice as thick, and welded a SS plate to the legs of the channel to turn
it into a box shape. This is different than I had said before, so I just
wanted to correct myself. I am adding a pic to better explain it.
Louie
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| Subject: | Gasoline Question? |
After removing my exhaust I discovered that the 100LL avgas contains alot o
f lead and I I use TCP on every fill up! Can't burn car gas because ethona
l is at all the pumps in the Washington DC area were I live!! has anyone f
ound away to remove the ethonal from the gas so you can safely use in the K
itfox tanks?
Ray
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| Subject: | Wanted Starting motor |
for rotax 532I understand some sea doos have same rotax starter???
appreciate your help
> From: noelloveys@yahoo.ca> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> Subject: RE: Ki
tfox-List: Re: Tricycle Kitfox II> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 00:31:00 -0230> >
How did you contact Dan Denney? I have a model II that was supposed to be>
upgraded to model III and would like his views on upgrading the gross weigh
t> to 1050 on floats when registration is amended this spring.> > Noel> > >
-----Original Message-----> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com>
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of SkySteve> Sent
: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 8:47 PM> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> Subject
"SkySteve" <Wilson@REinfo.org>> > I'm reporting back on the Model 1 increa
se in gross weight to 1050#. I just> got off the phone with Dan Denney. We
had a good discussion regarding 85DD> increase in gross weight from 850# to
1050#. Dan told me that he replaced> the model 1 wings with model III wing
s & flaperons which he took off 89DD.> I have verified this from my airfram
e logbook. Dan told me the gross weight> of 85DD is indeed 1050#. Following
this and the addition of the 912A Rotax,> the Airworthiness Certificate wa
s amended.> > --------> Steve Wilson> Huntsville, UT> Kitfox I-IV 85DD> 912
A / 3 Blade Warp Drive > Convertable Nosewheel & Tailwheel> > > > > Rea
d this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=
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| Subject: | Rotax Starting motor |
Just read this on another site, maybe it will help.
The company name is A&E Generator in Salt Lake City. Their phone # is
1-800-234-0638
Fax is 801-521-4652. They had to order it in but it only took 3 days.
The starter was exactly the same as the one I removed from the plane and
it works great. I thought the price was great in comparison to what I've
seen the aircraft parts stores selling them for. This price was with me
providing them with my old starter in exchange.
Dee Young
Model II
N345DY
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From: David Dawe<mailto:davedawe@msn.com>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 4:47 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Wanted Starting motor
for rotax 532
I understand some sea doos have same rotax starter???
appreciate your help
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> From: noelloveys@yahoo.ca<mailto:noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Tricycle Kitfox II
> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 00:31:00 -0230
>
<noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
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> How did you contact Dan Denney? I have a model II that was supposed
to be
> upgraded to model III and would like his views on upgrading the
gross weight
> to 1050 on floats when registration is amended this spring.
>
> Noel
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
SkySteve
> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 8:47 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tricycle Kitfox II
>
>
> I'm reporting back on the Model 1 increase in gross weight to 1050#.
I just
> got off the phone with Dan Denney. We had a good discussion
regarding 85DD
> increase in gross weight from 850# to 1050#. Dan told me that he
replaced
> the model 1 wings with model III wings & flaperons which he took off
89DD.
> I have verified this from my airframe logbook. Dan told me the gross
weight
> of 85DD is indeed 1050#. Following this and the addition of the 912A
Rotax,
> the Airworthiness Certificate was amended.
>
> --------
> Steve Wilson
> Huntsville, UT
> Kitfox I-IV 85DD
> 912A / 3 Blade Warp Drive
> Convertable Nosewheel & Tailwheel
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172886#172886
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| Subject: | Re: Gasoline Question? |
I have a home on Maryland's Eastern Shore and have found gas without
ethanol in some Talbot County (example Easton- WaWa) and south stations
up thru last fall, when I moved my Kitfox to home in the Fl Keys. I use
either a 30 gallon rolling boat transfer tank from Boaters World in the
back of an SUV or a 100 gallon metal fuel tank with 12 volt pump from
Tractor Supply Co. in the bed of my pickup to transport the gas.
I have boats and have had phase seperation whereby alcohol in car gas
joins with water in boat tanks and settles out to the bottom of the
tanks. My outboards will not run on the alcohol-water settleout but it
can be drained off leaving what I understand is just base stock
gasoline. However I have read that the remaining base stock gas has a
lower octane rating than the original rarting posted on the gas pump.
Years ago an Amoco scientist involved in the EAA auto gas STCs
suggested I use 25% 100LL and 75% premium auto gas to boost the auto gas
octane for use in my old high compression Corvettes. The same principle
might work in this application.
I am not sure that the above will work and don't know if anyone has
experience doing it.
BJ
N154K
443-480-1023
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From: RAY Gignac
To: kitfox-list
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 7:07 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Gasoline Question?
After removing my exhaust I discovered that the 100LL avgas contains
alot of lead and I I use TCP on every fill up! Can't burn car gas
because ethonal is at all the pumps in the Washington DC area were I
live!! has anyone found away to remove the ethonal from the gas so you
can safely use in the Kitfox tanks?
Ray
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| Subject: | Re: 95% Complete??? Registration questions |
I'm curious, what is the average cost of the FAA or DAR inspection these days?
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Dan Mc Intyre
Kitfox Model IV, Jab 2200
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| Subject: | Re: 95% Complete??? Registration questions |
Darin,
You can get your N number anytime, reserve it on line on FAA site. Just before
the FAA or private DAR does the airworthiness inspection, have an EAA technical
advisor do a pre-inspection. You can find the nearest TA on EAA's website.
darinh <gerns25@netscape.net> wrote:
First off...why is it that the last 5% of the project takes 95% of the time? Seems
like progress has slowed to a snails pace!
Now the questions: For those of you who have done this before, when does one get
the FAA involved for registration? Does the plane have to be "ready to fly"
before starting the paperwork? Obviously, the plane needs to be ready to go when
the DAR inspection is scheduled but can I get started on other paperwork before
this? If so, anybody care to give me some pointers?
Just FYI, I would like to be flying the Phase 1 hours by mid summer or earlier
if possible.
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Darin Hawkes
Series 7 (Painting)
914 Turbo
Kaysville, Utah
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Model 2 582 N99KX
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Cabin Heat. Was Re: skis |
I know some have gone that route but with only 950 GTW on my model 2, weight is
critical. Muff and scat tubing are pretty light, I think, compared to radiator,
fan, wiring, switch, hoses, clamps, mounting hardware, controls and extra coolant.
Maybe I'm wrong. Wouldn't be the first time.
patrick reilly <patreilly43@hotmail.com> wrote: .hmmessage P { margin:0px;
padding:0px } body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma }
Your 582 is water cooled. Get a Fiero heater core, $30 on e-bay, a Radio Shack
computer cooling fan, $15 (they are 12 volt), mount and plumb it. Forget
about heater muffs. They are for aircooled engines. You have hot water, It is
a better method of heating, use it.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
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Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 08:32:43 -0700
From: msm_9949@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: skis
I'd buy a set too Leni, if the price isn't too steep. I'd rather be flying than
building skis. But first I need cabin heat. How about manufacturing a heat
muff assembly for the 582?
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Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
I'd be interested, but I'd be hard pressed put a price on what I'd
pay. When I think about parting with dollars, I start thinking about
what fun it'd be to build. But if you get some offers and start to
manufacture, let it be known and maybe the price would cause me to
rethink my frugalness.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/480+ hrs/down for annual
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On Mar 25, 2008, at 6:20 PM, akflyer wrote:
>
> I just did some checking on those skis. The look great and
> apparently worked killer on a kit fox, but were never offered to
> the public. Only one set was ever produced, they were shown to see
> what kind of interest would be generated.
>
> I would like to know if anyone on the list would buy a set and if
> so, what would you realistically be willing to spend for them. It
> may be worth it to get the molds and put them into production as
> right now it is a pretty much build your own for our size planes.
>
> Let me know if there is any interest.
>
> --------
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> Leonard Perry
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C" / Mk IV
> 582 IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1260
> 95% complete
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| Subject: | Re: 95% Complete??? Registration questions |
1 as a DAR I have never taken a home as payment,in fact the last homebuilt I did
for free since it was at my home airport.
you can register any time. do it soon as OKC is in the process of going all digital
and seems to be loosing a lot of paperwork.
make sure to keep a unsigned copy and a copy of what you sent.
most DARs in Arkansas charge $450.00 plus expenses if long distance travel is required.
David Model 7 912s Model 3 912
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Cabin Heat. Was Re: skis |
Marco, You are right on the weight being less on the heat muff vs heater co
re set up. I will let you know how the water heater works next winter when
I get mine up and running.
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Pat Reilly
Mod 3 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
itfox-List: 582 Cabin Heat. Was Re: skisTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comI know
some have gone that route but with only 950 GTW on my model 2, weight is c
ritical. Muff and scat tubing are pretty light, I think, compared to radiat
or, fan, wiring, switch, hoses, clamps, mounting hardware, controls and ext
ra coolant. Maybe I'm wrong. Wouldn't be the first time.patrick reilly <pat
reilly43@hotmail.com> wrote:
Your 582 is water cooled. Get a Fiero heater core, $30 on e-bay, a Radio Sh
ack computer cooling fan, $15 (they are 12 volt), mount and plumb it. Forge
t about heater muffs. They are for aircooled engines. You have hot water, I
t is a better method of heating, use it. Pat ReillyMod 3 RebuildRockford, I
L
itfox-List: Re: skisTo: kitfox-list@matronics.com
I'd buy a set too Leni, if the price isn't too steep. I'd rather be flying
than building skis. But first I need cabin heat. How about manufacturing a
heat muff assembly for the 582?
do not archiveLynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
be hard pressed put a price on what I'd pay. When I think about parting wi
th dollars, I start thinking about what fun it'd be to build. But if you ge
t some offers and start to manufacture, let it be known and maybe the price
would cause me to rethink my frugalness.Lynn MattesonGrass Lake, MichiganK
itfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200flying w/480+ hrs/down for annualdo not arc
hiveOn Mar 25, 2008, at 6:20 PM, akflyer wrote:> --> Kitfox-List message po
sted by: "akflyer" >> I just did some checking on those skis. The look grea
t and > apparently worked killer on a kit fox, but were never offered to >
the public. Only one set was ever produced, they were shown to see > what k
ind of interest would be generated.>> I would like to know if anyone on the
list would buy a set and if > so, what would you realistically be willing
to spend for them. It > may be worth it to get the molds and put them into
production as > right now it is a pretty much build your own for our size p
lanes.>> Let me know if there is any interest.>> --------> DO NOT ARCHIVE>
Leonard Perry> Soldotna AK> Avid "C" / Mk IV> 582 IVO IFA> Full Lotus 1260>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel for 582 rotax |
I was told a few years ago by someone in a Rotax representative not to
use a lead scavenger in 100LL in my 532 because lead scavengers are not
compatible with 2-cycle oil and it would cause problems. If anyone has
the "official" story from Rotax on lead scavengers in 2-cycles, I'd like
to hear about it.
Mike Perkins
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To get the most heat out of a liquid cooling system you need to be able to
divert coolant from the radiator to the heater, just as is done in cars.
This means another special valve and re-plumbing the cooling system. When
that is done there is obviously less cooling area in operation so even in
winter the coolant will achieve hotter temperatures and you will get much
hotter temperatures in your cockpit. I expect without a thermostat you will
be taking a chance on cold shocking your engine if you turn off the interior
heat while in flight. Even with a thermostat I'd operate that heat control
very slowly, keeping an eye on the temperature gauge. Also put the control
on the left side of the cockpit so a passenger won't have access to it
You can also try plumbing your heater in series with the radiator that way
the hottest water, leaving the engine will pass through your heater core
before the radiator. Doing that will save weight but you won't have any
control over the heat other than the fan. It will allow the whole system to
operate more efficiently but in the summer, more sq inches of radiator in
operation, but you may want to fly with the doors left back on the ground.
Sigtaturea
Noel Loveys
Campbellton, NL, Canada
CDN AME intern, PP-Rec
C-FINB, Kitfox III-A
582 B box, Ivo IFA, Aerocet 1100 floats
noelloveys@yahoo.ca
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 2:33 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: skis
At 09:16 PM 3/26/2008, you wrote:
I do not have a thermostat in the system so coolant temps are at the mercy
of ambient air temps and my cabin has a lot of drafts so, in my particular
plane, it's just about useless. With some work (read $$), maybe.
The thermostat is only 135F. Even with it in you're not going to get
much heat unless you're running near the 180F max water temp. On my plane
that only happens in the summer on climb-out. Not much requirement for a
heater then.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Gasoline Question? |
Wash it out with water.
.. In a 20 gal plastic/steel barrel put about a gallon of water (steel
is better it can be grounded).
.. Add ten or twelve gallons of gas.
.. Stir well.
.. Let stand twenty minutes to be sure all the water has settled out.
.. Siphon the gas off the top of the barrel into a suitable container
through a Mr. Funnel or a chamois/felt to fuel your plane.
Doing this will also remove any dust or other particulate that may be in the
gas. The remaining gas will be a few octane rating points lower than the
original gas so try a small quantity in your engine first to make sure the
engine doesn't ping especially on takeoff. The water you drain off is very
corrosive but bio degradable... don't use it on your lawn or flowers.
Unless you want your grass to come up half cut. J
You can put a drain in the bottom of the barrel (would have to be on a
stand) to drain the water off before siphoning the gas. Down side is
treating gas at other strips. Dragging the barrel around can be a problem.
Ethanol really becomes problematic at concentrations of 10%. Lower if you
leave gas in your plane. If you are out and have to use contaminated fuel
for one afternoon I' go ahead but only in relatively warm temperatures. On
returning I 'd drain my tank treat the fuel and put it back into the tank to
dilute any contaminated fuel left in the tank.
If you premix your gas the ethanol won't damage your tanks but the chances
of phase separation, where the eth, water and oil separate from the gas, is
higher. When that happens to mixed gas there is a heavy white-grey sludge
that won't burn that will appear in your fuel system. To add insult to
sludge the gas floating on top of the sludge is perfectly good to use.
Sigtaturea
Noel Loveys
Campbellton, NL, Canada
CDN AME intern, PP-Rec
C-FINB, Kitfox III-A
582 B box, Ivo IFA, Aerocet 1100 floats
noelloveys@yahoo.ca
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RAY Gignac
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 8:37 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Gasoline Question?
After removing my exhaust I discovered that the 100LL avgas contains alot of
lead and I I use TCP on every fill up! Can't burn car gas because ethonal
is at all the pumps in the Washington DC area were I live!! has anyone
found away to remove the ethonal from the gas so you can safely use in the
Kitfox tanks?
Ray
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| Subject: | Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs |
Louie - That makes sense, as I later realized positioning my size plate and 'box'
welding to the channel legs wouldn't allow it to extend up the gear far enough
to pass and reinforce the thinnest web area near the largest lightening hole.
So now I'm back to putting them flat on the backside I guess. Maybe I'll make
up some new, longer plates and box it too, feels a little like overkill though.
Anyhow, the size reinforcing plates I have were included in the box 'o parts
received with my floats. After seeing several now, I wonder if they weren't
provided to existing owners as a SB by Aerocet or Stoddard-Hamilton after a
few failures were reported?
Also, while I'm thinking about it, keel strips were never installed on my floats.
Looks like 1/2" stainless bolted at each end, but how is it secured lengthwise?
Glued or thru hull screwed into the bulkheads, or ??? Assembly info I have
doesn't show, thx.
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| Subject: | Gasoline Question? |
Mixing will work, but remember, in a two stroke engine the gas passes
through the base of the engine before going into the cylinders. The main
bearings in a two stroke engine are lubricated by the gas (lead if present)
and oil in the fuel. They are roller bearings and the lead in the gas can
plate out onto the bearings which, in turn, can cause them to fail...
According to Mr. Murphy only at the worst possible time.
This is why additives don't work for 100LL to be used in two stroke engines.
Using a 100LL mix in your old 'Vettes is a good idea. It doesn't have main
roller bearings and lead won't bother it at all. In fact you may want to
try straight 100LL just make sure your cars don't have the catalytic
convertors. Also make sure you save it for use on the race track because
there is no road tax on AVGAS and local authorities may take a dim view on
using it on public highways.
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Jones
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Gasoline Question?
I have a home on Maryland's Eastern Shore and have found gas without ethanol
in some Talbot County (example Easton- WaWa) and south stations up thru last
fall, when I moved my Kitfox to home in the Fl Keys. I use either a 30
gallon rolling boat transfer tank from Boaters World in the back of an SUV
or a 100 gallon metal fuel tank with 12 volt pump from Tractor Supply Co.
in the bed of my pickup to transport the gas.
I have boats and have had phase seperation whereby alcohol in car gas joins
with water in boat tanks and settles out to the bottom of the tanks. My
outboards will not run on the alcohol-water settleout but it can be drained
off leaving what I understand is just base stock gasoline. However I have
read that the remaining base stock gas has a lower octane rating than the
original rarting posted on the gas pump.
Years ago an Amoco scientist involved in the EAA auto gas STCs suggested I
use 25% 100LL and 75% premium auto gas to boost the auto gas octane for use
in my old high compression Corvettes. The same principle might work in this
application.
I am not sure that the above will work and don't know if anyone has
experience doing it.
BJ
N154K
443-480-1023
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From: RAY Gignac <mailto:kitfoxpilot@msn.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 7:07 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Gasoline Question?
After removing my exhaust I discovered that the 100LL avgas contains alot of
lead and I I use TCP on every fill up! Can't burn car gas because ethonal
is at all the pumps in the Washington DC area were I live!! has anyone
found away to remove the ethonal from the gas so you can safely use in the
Kitfox tanks?
Ray
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| Subject: | OFF TOPIC taildraggers poem |
Does anybody out there have the Taildraggers Poem handy? I have it in
print form, but can't get my #&^%$#@!**&~ OCR to work so I can
send it out to a new taildragger student. I'm sure he would love to
read this poem, so if anybody can post it, I'd appreciate it.
If not, I'll have to get my neighbor to scan my copy and post it.
Thanks....
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/480+ hrs/down for annual
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| Subject: | Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs |
OK, here is my next question.
I disconnected the cables that operate the nose gear. Both sides will lock in
both the up and down positions, and the doors seem to operate correctly, BUT.....
I noticed that the wheels looked like they didn't lower the same distance
when in the down position. I started measuring things, and found that the urethane
"bumpers" are not the same length. I pulled them out and, sure enough,
they are a lot different. They acted different during the extend and retract
action, too. The long one would operate smoothly in both directions, but the
short one would act like you were pushing it over center about half way up, then
it would move easily into the well. It acted the same way coming down. All
this is with the linkages and cables disconnected, so the only thing coming
into play is the gear itself with the urethane bumpers attached. I assume that
the difference in length of the urethane is causing the mid-point restriction
(almost like you are trying to slightly compress the urethane). the question
is which one, if either, is correct. should I turn down the long one to match
the short one, or buy a new one for the short side. I am including a pic of
both of them to help explain.
Thanks,
Louie
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| Subject: | Re: OFF TOPIC taildraggers poem |
http://www.ch601.org/stories/taildragger_poem.htm
Pete
El Paso
Kitfox wannabe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 2:21 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: OFF TOPIC taildraggers poem
>
> Does anybody out there have the Taildraggers Poem handy? I have it in
> print form, but can't get my #&^%$#@!**&~ OCR to work so I can
> send it out to a new taildragger student. I'm sure he would love to
> read this poem, so if anybody can post it, I'd appreciate it.
> If not, I'll have to get my neighbor to scan my copy and post it.
> Thanks....
>
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Grass Lake, Michigan
> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
> flying w/480+ hrs/down for annual
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: OFF TOPIC taildraggers poem |
That's the one, Pete...thanks very much.
KC, are you listening? : )
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/480+ hrs/down for annual
do not archive
On Mar 27, 2008, at 5:26 PM, Pete Christensen wrote:
> <apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.net>
>
> http://www.ch601.org/stories/taildragger_poem.htm
>
> Pete
> El Paso
> Kitfox wannabe
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 2:21 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: OFF TOPIC taildraggers poem
>
>
>> Does anybody out there have the Taildraggers Poem handy? I have it
>> in print form, but can't get my #&^%$#@!**&~ OCR to work so
>> I can send it out to a new taildragger student. I'm sure he would
>> love to read this poem, so if anybody can post it, I'd appreciate
>> it.
>> If not, I'll have to get my neighbor to scan my copy and post it.
>> Thanks....
>> Lynn Matteson
>> Grass Lake, Michigan
>> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
>> flying w/480+ hrs/down for annual
>> do not archive
>>
>
>
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Noel, There are alot of knowledgable people on this site. But none, I mean
none, have as much practical knowledge as you. I commend and thank you for
your replies to all of our questions.
Pat reilly
Mod 3 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
From: noelloveys@yahoo.caTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Kitfox-L
ist: Re: skisDate: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:30:48 -0230
To get the most heat out of a liquid cooling system you need to be able to
divert coolant from the radiator to the heater, just as is done in cars. T
his means another special valve and re-plumbing the cooling system. When t
hat is done there is obviously less cooling area in operation so even in wi
nter the coolant will achieve hotter temperatures and you will get much hot
ter temperatures in your cockpit. I expect without a thermostat you will b
e taking a chance on cold shocking your engine if you turn off the interior
heat while in flight. Even with a thermostat I=92d operate that heat cont
rol very slowly, keeping an eye on the temperature gauge. Also put the con
trol on the left side of the cockpit so a passenger won=92t have access to
it
You can also try plumbing your heater in series with the radiator that way
the hottest water, leaving the engine will pass through your heater core be
fore the radiator. Doing that will save weight but you won=92t have any co
ntrol over the heat other than the fan. It will allow the whole system to
operate more efficiently but in the summer, more sq inches of radiator in o
peration, but you may want to fly with the doors left back on the ground.
Noel Loveys
Campbellton, NL, Canada
CDN AME intern, PP-Rec
C-FINB, Kitfox III-A
582 B box, Ivo IFA, Aerocet 1100 floats
noelloveys@yahoo.ca
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-serv
er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy BuchananSent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 2
:33 AMTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: skis
At 09:16 PM 3/26/2008, you wrote:
I do not have a thermostat in the system so coolant temps are at the mercy
of ambient air temps and my cabin has a lot of drafts so, in my particular
plane, it's just about useless. With some work (read $$), maybe.
The thermostat is only 135F. Even with it in you're not going to ge
t much heat unless you're running near the 180F max water temp. On my plane
that only happens in the summer on climb-out. Not much requirement for a h
eater then.
Guy BuchananSan Diego, CAK-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostl
y to Bob Ducar. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-Listhttp://foru
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| Subject: | Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs |
Louie - both of my urethane nose shock bumpers measure 1-1/4".
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Cabin Heat. Was Re: skis |
Weight is about the same... Not that much extra coolant. Heater core less
than a couple of pounds extra plumbing fan and controls again less than a
two pounds. Biggest consideration to me is no carbon monoxide from a leaky
muff. I've seen firsthand the effects of minor carbon monoxide poisoning
from a leaky muff and a bad detector.
Scrap yard will get you a small heater core less than $10.00.
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marco Menezes
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 11:00 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 582 Cabin Heat. Was Re: skis
I know some have gone that route but with only 950 GTW on my model 2, weight
is critical. Muff and scat tubing are pretty light, I think, compared to
radiator, fan, wiring, switch, hoses, clamps, mounting hardware, controls
and extra coolant. Maybe I'm wrong. Wouldn't be the first time.
patrick reilly <patreilly43@hotmail.com> wrote:
Your 582 is water cooled. Get a Fiero heater core, $30 on e-bay, a Radio
Shack computer cooling fan, $15 (they are 12 volt), mount and plumb it.
Forget about heater muffs. They are for aircooled engines. You have hot
water, It is a better method of heating, use it.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
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From: msm_9949@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: skis
I'd buy a set too Leni, if the price isn't too steep. I'd rather be flying
than building skis. But first I need cabin heat. How about manufacturing a
heat muff assembly for the 582?
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Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
I'd be interested, but I'd be hard pressed put a price on what I'd
pay. When I think about parting with dollars, I start thinking about
what fun it'd be to build. But if you get some offers and start to
manufacture, let it be known and maybe the price would cause me to
rethink my frugalness.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/480+ hrs/down for annual
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On Mar 25, 2008, at 6:20 PM, akflyer wrote:
>
> I just did some checking on those skis. The look great and
> apparently worked killer on a kit fox, but were never offered to
> the public. Only one set was ever produced, they were shown to see
> what kind of interest would be generated.
>
> I would like to know if anyone on the list would buy a set and if
> so, what would you realistically be willing to spend for them. It
> may be worth it to get the molds and put them into production as
> right now it is a pretty much build your own for our size planes.
>
> Let me know if there is any interest.
>
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> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> Leonard Perry
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C" / Mk IV
> 582 IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1260
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tricycle Kitfox II |
> Dave, do you have specific information on this statement?
>
> Jose
Well Dan denney would know for sure, I doubt he will ever admit it but there were
a few issues in the early days. This is why I am concerned about a Model 1
and high gross weights and a 912.
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Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
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| Subject: | Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs |
I will measure mine this weekend and I have a few sets of them I think
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http://www.cfisher.com/
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Cabin Heat. Was Re: skis |
If you fly in the winter at the temps we do, the heater core WILL NOT produce enough
to keep the windshield clear. I did not get cold as I had on my full snow
machining gear but not having forward vis was a little problematic. They have
been running heat muffs since the beginning of time in cubs etc. I will take
my chances with that and continue to enjoy flying year round.
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Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
95% complete
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| Subject: | Re: aerocet 1000 amphibs |
great, Let me know if you have an extra.
Louie
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Cabin Heat. Was Re: skis |
While I stand by my previous view of *my* heater while *in flight*, I must
say that during the ( long) time I am waiting for oil temp to rise to an
acceptable temp for takeoff, the heater does tend to take the chill out
cockpit. It is kind of nice to have a sytem that does not rely on fast
foward motion and exhaust temp to supply at least a bit of comfort.
It's just the opposite of my C-172L, where you just want to get flying as
quick as you can just to get some heat forced through the ducts.
(No,I don't have an oil thermostat either.)
I'm just a stupid mechanic\pilot, but wouldn't a combination (installation)
of both systems be the best of both worlds??
Steve
84KF
KF5 \ 912UL
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Cabin Heat. Was Re: skis |
Len, OK, Thanks for your advice. I will keep the idea of fabricating a heat
muff in mind in this rebuild.
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Pat Reilly
Mod 3 Rebuild
Rockford, IL> Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 Cabin Heat. Was Re: skis> From: akf
lyer_2000@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:36:32 -0700> To: kitfox-list
0@yahoo.com>> > If you fly in the winter at the temps we do, the heater cor
e WILL NOT produce enough to keep the windshield clear. I did not get cold
as I had on my full snow machining gear but not having forward vis was a li
ttle problematic. They have been running heat muffs since the beginning of
time in cubs etc. I will take my chances with that and continue to enjoy fl
ying year round.> > --------> DO NOT ARCHIVE> Leonard Perry> Soldotna AK> A
vid "C" / Mk IV > 582 IVO IFA> Full Lotus 1260> 95% complete> > >
> > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Cabin Heat. Was Re: skis |
Forgive be if someone has mentioned this in the past, but has anyone tried to use
the type of device that is used on (at least) a C-172L to collect hot air for
carburetor heat?
It is a simple, foward facing, open-ended stainless box,with small tabs top and
bottom, and is attached to an exhaust header with 2 stainless hose clamps. Must
weigh all of 3-4 oz's. Airflow in flight forces hot air radiating the pipe
to flow to the carb.
This is the best picture I have, but if you zoom in you can see it attached to
the rear exhaust header feeding hot air to the carb air box.
Simple, cheap, lightweight, ....and available pre-fabricated.
Just a thought....
Steve
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Can anyone tell me the best postion for mounting V/G s , how far aft of the
leading edge. Thanks , John Murphy Classic 4 ,Speedster wing
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| Subject: | Re: Gasoline Question? |
This brings up another question, do pumps have to have a decal
desclosing an Ethenol or Alcohol mixture? Jeff Classic IV KTZR
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To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 9:05 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Gasoline Question?
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I have the numbers at home. Can measure them also, am in Arizonia now and
leaving Seligman tomorrow to Thunder Ridge. Clint
From: murphystl@hotmail.comTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: Kitfox-Lis
t: V/G sDate: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:09:23 -0500
Can anyone tell me the best postion for mounting V/G s , how far aft of the
leading edge. Thanks , John Murphy Classic 4 ,Speedster wing
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