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1. 12:40 AM - Re: 582 Cabin Heat. Was Re: skis (Noel Loveys)
2. 02:03 AM - Re: Gasoline Question? (steve shinabery)
3. 06:55 AM - Re: V/G s (Noel Loveys)
4. 07:16 AM - Re: Gasoline Question? (Chuck Popenoe)
5. 07:27 AM - Re: 95% Complete??? Registration questions (A Smith)
6. 07:39 AM - Re: Gasoline Question? (Noel Loveys)
7. 09:46 AM - Re: Gasoline Question? (bjones@dmv.com)
8. 10:03 AM - Re: 95% Complete??? Registration questions (darinh)
9. 10:05 AM - Re: Gasoline Question? (patrick reilly)
10. 01:14 PM - Re: Wanted Starting motor (john beirne)
11. 02:34 PM - Re: Re: Wanted Starting motor (patrick reilly)
12. 02:58 PM - Tundra Tires (Chris Budd)
13. 04:03 PM - gas door struts install? (jerry evans)
14. 06:25 PM - Re: gas door struts install? (Noel Loveys)
15. 06:41 PM - Re: Gasoline Question? (Glenn Horne)
16. 07:34 PM - Re: Gasoline Question? (Noel Loveys)
17. 08:04 PM - Re: gas door struts install? (Lynn Matteson)
18. 08:32 PM - Re: Gasoline Question? (Tom Jones)
19. 08:49 PM - Re: Re: Gasoline Question? (patrick reilly)
20. 09:47 PM - Black paint (rcsfca)
21. 10:12 PM - Re: gas door struts install? (jerry evans)
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Cabin Heat. Was Re: skis |
Yes.. that's the heat muff. Sometimes people have also stuffed them with
stainless steel Brillo pads to help heat conduction to the air. When using
this type of heater a CO detector is a must!
I have also seen a system on a Rotax 503 where there was a duct taken off
the cooling air for the head and run forward to the cabin of a Challenger.
Noel
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Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 11:57 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 Cabin Heat. Was Re: skis
Forgive be if someone has mentioned this in the past, but has anyone tried
to use the type of device that is used on (at least) a C-172L to collect hot
air for carburetor heat?
It is a simple, foward facing, open-ended stainless box,with small tabs top
and bottom, and is attached to an exhaust header with 2 stainless hose
clamps. Must weigh all of 3-4 oz's. Airflow in flight forces hot air
radiating the pipe to flow to the carb.
This is the best picture I have, but if you zoom in you can see it
attached to the rear exhaust header feeding hot air to the carb air box.
Simple, cheap, lightweight, ....and available pre-fabricated.
Just a thought....
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: Gasoline Question? |
jeff puls wrote:
> This brings up another question, do pumps have to have a decal
> desclosing an Ethenol or Alcohol mixture? Jeff Classic IV KTZR
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Yes they do i know here in OHIO..it is the Law.Steve Shinabery N554KF KF2
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Consensus around here is 7-10%the chord of the wing. Some say they work,
some say not... I'd try at 7% and if you get no significant change move
them back a half inch at a time.
Because the wings, all Kitfox and avid, have such high lift characteristics
you may find to take advantage of any gains from VGs you may also have to
install gap seals on the empennage and larger main tires for better(higher)
AOA while landing.
Sigtaturea
Noel Loveys
Campbellton, NL, Canada
CDN AME intern, PP-Rec
C-FINB, Kitfox III-A
582 B box, Ivo IFA, Aerocet 1100 floats
noelloveys@yahoo.ca
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Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 12:39 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: V/G s
Can anyone tell me the best postion for mounting V/G s , how far aft of the
leading edge. Thanks , John Murphy Classic 4 ,Speedster wing
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| Subject: | Re: Gasoline Question? |
do pumps have to have a decal
disclosing an Ethanol or Alcohol mixture?
Answer is NO! Except in certain states which have mandated this
requirement.
It seems that MD and VA have not!
Chuck
Avid N113P
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7:15 PM
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| Subject: | Re: 95% Complete??? Registration questions |
I got my paper work from the FAA out of SLC. You should be talking to them
now. The paperwork took quite awhile on both of my planes. They were great
to work with and the inspector was very helpful even before he came to
Idaho. He let me know what he expected before he showed up. That was a
couple of years back so a phone call would be your best bet to get things
started I think.
Albert Smith
MudLake, Idaho
5TD, NSI T, CAP
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| Subject: | Gasoline Question? |
Apparently that requirement depends on the jurisdiction you happen to be in.
Noel
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Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 12:39 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Gasoline Question?
This brings up another question, do pumps have to have a decal desclosing an
Ethenol or Alcohol mixture? Jeff Classic IV KTZR
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| Subject: | Re: Gasoline Question? |
Re E-10 auto gas
As I understand it, certain counties in Maryland (near DC and Baltimore) are
required to dispense ethanol blended auto gas in order to strive for better air
quality so the state can continue to receive federal transportation funding.
Counties outside of the requirement may still be able to dispense either.
So stations outside of the requirement area may or may not have ethanol blend.
Buyer beware.
I find that labelling indicating presence of ethanol may not be posted on the
pumps and I routinely test unless I happen to be able to talk with the station
manager. Do not trust the counter clerk to know, test it yourself if in doubt,
its easy.
I have noticed labelling showing up on some pumps in the Florida Keys, so
ethhanol blended fuel is reaching this area, despite the problems it creates
with boat engines and fuel systems. There may be more boats than cars in the
Keys and lots of snow birds who leave boats unused for months inviting
condensation and atmospheric moisture absorption into the fuel leading to
settleout. I would hate to run low on fuel out on the ocean beyond anchor
depth and switch to a tank that was loaded with settleout. Power boats turn
into "sail boats" and with prevailing winds out of the NE I might get to visit
Fidel and his buddies in Cuba.
BJ N154K
443-480-1023
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Chuck Popenoe <cpops@verizon.net>:
> do pumps have to have a decal
> disclosing an Ethanol or Alcohol mixture?
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> Answer is NO! Except in certain states which have mandated this requirement.
> It seems that MD and VA have not!
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| Subject: | Re: 95% Complete??? Registration questions |
Thank for the info guys! I have my n-number reserved and have since read the AC
on registration of homebuilt aircraft. This document has provided everything
I need so I am sending the paperwork in today.
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Darin Hawkes
Series 7 (Painting)
914 Turbo
Kaysville, Utah
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| Subject: | Gasoline Question? |
B. Jones, What method do you use to test gasoline for ethanol?
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Pat Reilly
Mod 3 rebuild
Rockford, IL> Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:40:45 -0400> From: bjones@dmv.com>
Re E-10 auto gas> As I understand it, certain counties in Maryland (near D
C and Baltimore) are > required to dispense ethanol blended auto gas in ord
er to strive for better air > quality so the state can continue to receive
federal transportation funding. > Counties outside of the requirement may s
till be able to dispense either. > > So stations outside of the requirement
area may or may not have ethanol blend. > Buyer beware.> > I find that lab
elling indicating presence of ethanol may not be posted on the > pumps and
I routinely test unless I happen to be able to talk with the station > mana
ger. Do not trust the counter clerk to know, test it yourself if in doubt,
> its easy.> > I have noticed labelling showing up on some pumps in the Flo
rida Keys, so > ethhanol blended fuel is reaching this area, despite the pr
oblems it creates > with boat engines and fuel systems. There may be more b
oats than cars in the > Keys and lots of snow birds who leave boats unused
for months inviting > condensation and atmospheric moisture absorption into
the fuel leading to > settleout. I would hate to run low on fuel out on th
e ocean beyond anchor > depth and switch to a tank that was loaded with set
tleout. Power boats turn > into "sail boats" and with prevailing winds out
of the NE I might get to visit > Fidel and his buddies in Cuba.> > BJ N154K
> 443-480-1023> do not archive> > Chuck Popenoe <cpops@verizon.net>:> > > d
o pumps have to have a decal > > disclosing an Ethanol or Alcohol mixture?>
> > > > > > > Answer is NO! Except in certain states which have mandated t
his requirement.> > It seems that MD and VA have not!> > > > > > > > Chuck>
> > > > > > > Avid N113P > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG. > > 3/27/2008
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| Subject: | Re: Wanted Starting motor |
Hi
I have just purchased a starter from this company. it is identical to the one removed.
http://www.db-starter-alternator.com/Items/ws1?&caSKU=ws1&caTitle=100%25%20NEW%20Seadoo%20Starter%20580%20650%20GTS%20GTX%20SP%20SPX%20XP%20WS1
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| Subject: | Re: Wanted Starting motor |
John, What engine did you replace the starter on?
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Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Wanted Starting motor> From: jmcb@o
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Hi everyone,
Does anyone have the GoodYear 26" tundra tires on there KF? They fit on the 6x6
rims. They look great! However they are very pricey. If anyone has them I curious
what they think of them?
I am also thinking about going with some AirTrac 8.50x6-6 tires. Does anyone have
these? What you think of them and how big/tall are they? I would also like
to know how tall the 8.00x6-6 tires are as well. I know the 8.00 tires are a little
lighter. Any info would be great.
Chris...
Kitfox IV Speedster
VW 2180 76hp
220+ hrs
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| Subject: | gas door struts install? |
How are you guys installing the strut to the door frames and inside the plane
ANY pictures? Thanks Jerry
Jerry Evans
96% done 582
Magalia Calif.
N582'er'
kitfox 555
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| Subject: | gas door struts install? |
It's rough but it works.
This is right beside the seat... A piece of angle turned into a bracket and
held to the frame behind the seat with worm gear clamps. I did have to cur
small holes in the back of the seat. The strut is outboard enough to give
an over centre situation to help keep the door closed.
Door Lift 2.jpg
This is the whole ball of wax. The upper support is another angle bracket
designed to assist in the over centre on closing. Itr is also held in place
with worm clamps. (hose clamps) So far I only have struts on the left side.
Total cost was to read an OBDII error at a local scrap yard. And four hose
clamps J
Three years now and it's still secure... It does get checked before each
flight
Door Strut.jpg
Hope this helps.
Same plane below.
Sigtaturea
Noel Loveys
Campbellton, NL, Canada
CDN AME intern, PP-Rec
C-FINB, Kitfox III-A
582 B box, Ivo IFA, Aerocet 1100 floats
noelloveys@yahoo.ca
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Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 8:27 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: gas door struts install?
How are you guys installing the strut to the door frames and inside the
plane ANY pictures? Thanks Jerry
Jerry Evans
96% done 582
Magalia Calif.
N582'er'
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| Subject: | Re: Gasoline Question? |
We do here in Virginia. 100 percent Ethanol.
GLENN HORNE
Kitfox Model II
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To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 11:09 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Gasoline Question?
This brings up another question, do pumps have to have a decal
desclosing an Ethenol or Alcohol mixture? Jeff Classic IV KTZR
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To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 9:05 AM
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| Subject: | Gasoline Question? |
Too bad you can't drink it... They put something in it to make it non
drinkable. From what I understand you can't distil the crap out to make it
palatable.
Before putting it in your car consider... you will have to use around 1.4
gal of eth to go as far as you would go on 1 gal of gas... The idea its
cleaner is only if you ignore the CO2 given off in the fermentation process
(it does burn cleaner)... it takes more than a gallon of diesel to grow the
corn, ferment the alcohol and ship one gallon of eth to your station then
you are closer to 50% the power of a gallon of diesel.
A professor, I believe from M.I.T.,was on the Discovery Channel. He said
spectrum analysis of burning ethanol shows an organic compound being given
off that really eats the ozone layers. I've been trying to find the program
again to document the details.
I really can't see why anyone would want to burn ethanol. Use it to clean
your printer instead.
Noel
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Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 11:08 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Gasoline Question?
We do here in Virginia. 100 percent Ethanol.
GLENN HORNE
Kitfox Model II
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Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Gasoline Question?
This brings up another question, do pumps have to have a decal desclosing an
Ethenol or Alcohol mixture? Jeff Classic IV KTZR
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| Subject: | Re: gas door struts install? |
My Model IV Speedster fuselage had the brackets welded on by the
factory, and the door end of the strut was attached by a bracket that
was a piece of tubing with ears welded perpendicular to opposite
sides of the tube. The tube was then cut in half along it's length,
leaving you with two half-tubes with a perpendicular bracket sticking
up. These half-tubes were riveted to the door frame at a position
that would give you an slight over-center position to the strut-to-
door relationship, helping to keep the door closed. This feature was
called a "Cabin Door Gas Spring Kit". For some reason I didn't shoot
the process when I did it, but I can shoot pics tomorrow if it would
help you. You really wouldn't have to have the brackets welded to the
fuselage or the door, but some welding would be necessary to build
the tubes themselves.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/480+ hrs/down for annual
On Mar 28, 2008, at 6:57 PM, jerry evans wrote:
> How are you guys installing the strut to the door frames and inside
> the plane ANY pictures? Thanks Jerry
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| Subject: | Re: Gasoline Question? |
[quote="patreilly43(at)hotmail.co"]B. Jones, What method do you use to test gasoline
for ethanol?
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Pat Reilly
Mod 3 rebuild
Rockford, IL
[quote]
Pat, I use a half gallon clear mouth wash bottle. Put about an ounce of water
in and mark the water level while the bottle sits upside down. Fill about half
way up with fuel and shake it up then set it on its lid for a few minutes.
any alochol will absorb the water and settle out with the water and be seen as
a level above your line. The picture attached shows no alochol.
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Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Gasoline Question? |
Tom, OK, That would be the method Noel explained to use on a bigger scale t
o "wash" alcohol out of gasoline and siphon the gas off the top or drain th
e water off the bottom.
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Thanks
Pat Reilly > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Gasoline Question?> From: nahsikhs@e
lltel.net> Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:29:38 -0700> To: kitfox-list@matronics
>> > [quote="patreilly43(at)hotmail.co"]B. Jones, What method do you use
to test gasoline for ethanol?> > Do not archive> > Pat Reilly > Mod 3 rebui
ld> Rockford, IL> [quote] > > Pat, I use a half gallon clear mouth wash bot
tle. Put about an ounce of water in and mark the water level while the bott
le sits upside down. Fill about half way up with fuel and shake it up then
set it on its lid for a few minutes. any alochol will absorb the water and
settle out with the water and be seen as a level above your line. The pictu
re attached shows no alochol.> > --------> Tom Jones> Classic IV> 503 Rotax
, 72 inch Two blade Warp> Ellensburg, WA> > > > > Read this topic online he
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Paint jobs that are predominantly black are rather rare but I've come up with a
re-paint scheme that is exactly that, although the design includes substantial
red and orange stripes for contrast.
Has anyone taken a close look at the use (or rejection) of black paint as it relates
to excessive cabin heating on sunny days, gas tank expansion, or navigation
perception problems? Or other troubles, if any?
Rich Cunningham
Model IV - 1200/912
SF Bay Area
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| Subject: | Re: gas door struts install? |
This is great info if you have more pic I would love to see Thanks for all your
time
My Model IV Speedster fuselage had the brackets welded on by the
factory, and the door end of the strut was attached by a bracket that
was a piece of tubing with ears welded perpendicular to opposite
sides of the tube. The tube was then cut in half along it's length,
leaving you with two half-tubes with a perpendicular bracket sticking
up. These half-tubes were riveted to the door frame at a position
that would give you an slight over-center position to the strut-to-
door relationship, helping to keep the door closed. This feature was
called a "Cabin Door Gas Spring Kit". For some reason I didn't shoot
the process when I did it, but I can shoot pics tomorrow if it would
help you. You really wouldn't have to have the brackets welded to the
fuselage or the door, but some welding would be necessary to build
the tubes themselves.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/480+ hrs/down for annual
On Mar 28, 2008, at 6:57 PM, jerry evans wrote:
> How are you guys installing the strut to the door frames and inside
> the plane ANY pictures? Thanks Jerry
>
> Jerry Evans
> 96% done 582
> Magalia Calif.
> N582'er'
> kitfox 555
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Jerry Evans
96% done 582
Magalia Calif.
N582'er'
kitfox 555
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