---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 03/30/08: 32 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:56 AM - [off-topic] Simulator WAS: Black paint (Michel Verheughe) 2. 05:58 AM - electrical problem (Dee Young) 3. 06:45 AM - Re: Rudder Cable Adjustment? (Dan Billingsley) 4. 06:57 AM - Re: Rudder Cable Adjustment? (dcsfoto) 5. 07:52 AM - Making Bungees (Tom Jones) 6. 08:13 AM - Re: Rudder Cable Adjustment? (Lynn Matteson) 7. 08:36 AM - Re: Black paint (off topic) (Lynn Matteson) 8. 08:46 AM - Re: gas door struts install? (Lynn Matteson) 9. 08:51 AM - Re: [off-topic] Simulator WAS: Black paint (Lynn Matteson) 10. 08:58 AM - Re: [off-topic] Simulator WAS: Black paint (Rexinator) 11. 09:15 AM - Re: [off-topic] Simulator WAS: Black paint (Lynn Matteson) 12. 09:30 AM - Bing carbs (Lynn Matteson) 13. 09:48 AM - Re: [off-topic] Simulator WAS: Black paint (patrick reilly) 14. 10:06 AM - Re: [off-topic] Simulator WAS: Black paint (Steven Didier) 15. 10:55 AM - Re: Rudder Cable Adjustment? (darinh) 16. 11:29 AM - Re: [off-topic] Simulator (Michel Verheughe) 17. 11:50 AM - Re: Bing carbs (akflyer) 18. 12:46 PM - Re: Re: Bing carbs (Lynn Matteson) 19. 12:54 PM - Re: Re: Rudder Cable Adjustment? (Dan Billingsley) 20. 01:58 PM - Re: Re: Bing carbs (samscycles@juno.com) 21. 02:54 PM - Re: Re: Bing carbs (patrick reilly) 22. 03:13 PM - New windshield material (Pat Reilly) 23. 03:16 PM - Re: Re: skis (patrick reilly) 24. 03:36 PM - Re: Rudder Cable Adjustment? (darinh) 25. 05:36 PM - Re: Bing carbs (RAY Gignac) 26. 06:11 PM - Re: Re: Bing carbs (Lynn Matteson) 27. 07:17 PM - Re: Re: Bing carbs (kerrjohna@comcast.net) 28. 07:44 PM - Re: Bing carbs (Lynn Matteson) 29. 08:04 PM - Re: Re: Bing carbs (Lynn Matteson) 30. 09:01 PM - Re: Re: skis (84KF) 31. 09:27 PM - Re: gas door struts install? (jerry evans) 32. 10:57 PM - Cowling spacing (wadegreaves) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:56:05 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Kitfox-List: [off-topic] Simulator WAS: Black paint > From: Lynn Matteson [lynnmatt@jps.net] > Yup, that's the one. Shows a picture of your plane landing amidst a > flock of seagulls, and mentions landing at ENFB, and you informing > him of the difficulty of landing there now that it has closed. Do you mean, my simulator replica of my model 3? Coool! I am now famous! :-) Yes, ENFB is now closed and, actually, my son works for a telecom company that has its main office where the old runway was. So ... kids, don't do this in real life! :-) Here is a screenshot of my my digital Kitfox ... with the door open and me, smiling! :-) Cheers, Michel Verheughe Norway Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 Do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:58:01 AM PST US From: "Dee Young" Subject: Kitfox-List: electrical problem I need some serious help from someone who knows about ignition systems etc. Please respond off list. Thanks Dee Young Model II N345DY Do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:45:38 AM PST US From: Dan Billingsley Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rudder Cable Adjustment? Darin, How are things going up in Utah? Sounds like you are making good progress. I decided to put these turnbuckles... http://www.azshowersolutions.com/Fuselage11.html on the back of the rudder cables. I used the brackets at the front. I found everything I needed at Spruce. Dan B Mesa, AZ KF-IV 912s darinh wrote: What have you guys done for adjustment in the rudder cables? My kit comes with a set of rudder brackets that have a seriies of holes for adjustment but they are rather course adjustments. What about fine adjustment for cable stretch and small adjustments in rudder centering? has anyone used clip locking or safety wire turnbuckles? If so, where did you locate the turnbuckles? Pics would be great if you have them. -------- Darin Hawkes Series 7 (Painting) 914 Turbo Kaysville, Utah Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=173597#173597 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:57:50 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Rudder Cable Adjustment? From: "dcsfoto" model 7 has the handles in the center console for adjust,brackets for fine adjust. rudder should center if done by the manual. I would not mess with turnbuckels. David Model 7 & 3 Do not arcive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=173646#173646 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:52:46 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Making Bungees From: "Tom Jones" It is time for a condition inspection on my Classic 4 already. I want to make my own landing gear bungees this time. It seems like I found the procedure for securing the end loops with either rib lacing cord or safety wire and filed it away where I can't find it now. I think it was in AC43.13-1B. Can someone point me to where it was I saw it? I could be wrong about it being in AC43.13-1B because I sure can't find it there now. -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=173654#173654 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:13:43 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rudder Cable Adjustment? I thought that there should be a finer adjustment than the coarse 1/2" or whatever those straps/links would provide, too. So I went with turnbuckles at the front inside the cabin. Since I installed them, I've never had to touch them. I used a clean-looking fork at the back swaged onto the cable. After flying the thing for two years, I've found that the adjustment is all in the feet of the pilot...yes, get the initial setting done right so that the pedals are correctly placed, and that's it. At least that's what worked for me with a Model IV, maybe/probably not the same for the 7. Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/480+ hrs/down for annual On Mar 29, 2008, at 10:29 PM, darinh wrote: > > What have you guys done for adjustment in the rudder cables? My > kit comes with a set of rudder brackets that have a seriies of > holes for adjustment but they are rather course adjustments. What > about fine adjustment for cable stretch and small adjustments in > rudder centering? has anyone used clip locking or safety wire > turnbuckles? If so, where did you locate the turnbuckles? Pics > would be great if you have them. > > -------- > Darin Hawkes > Series 7 (Painting) > 914 Turbo > Kaysville, Utah > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=173597#173597 > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:36:09 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Black paint (off topic) Man I dunno if I can handle all this fan mail. : ) Yes, Roger, that's it. It's a good thing somebody else tipped me off that it was in there...I mighta had heart failure if I turned a page and there it was. I could think of a picture better suited for that particular article, though....see below. This was back on the ground at home from Oshkosh. I had a 9' x 11' screen room, two folding chairs, a folding table, two tiki lamps, sleeping bag, air mattress, air pump, clothes, a folding cooler, left- over beer that I couldn't give away, full tanks of fuel minus about 75 miles worth, and a bunch of misc. stuff, all weighed before leaving home initially, and all within the CG envelope. I think this picture would have suited the gist of the article they wrote better, but what the heck. Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/480+ hrs/down for annual do not archive On Mar 29, 2008, at 10:36 PM, Roger McConnell wrote: > > > > Hey Lynn, > Is that your plane on page 62 of the April issue of the EAA Sport > Pilot magazine?? > Roger McConnell, Duncan, OK ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:46:57 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: gas door struts install? Matter of fact, the doors came powder coated, and I had to paint the little brackets myself with Polyfiber enamel. And yeah, I had all the structural work done before I riveted the glass on. As I'm sure you found, Noel, it must be a bugger to do some of that attaching work after the fact. I'd like to paint the glass on the edges, so that clear edge is covered with orange, over to the middle of the door framework. It looks a bit strange when you're looking at it and see that clear area all around the door, but I just haven't got to it yet. Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/480+ hrs/down for annual On Mar 29, 2008, at 10:50 PM, Noel Loveys wrote: > > Your installation is so much cleaner than mine! Judging by the > paint you > must have done the braces before putting the glass on the doors. > > Noel > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn > Matteson > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 3:04 PM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: gas door struts install? > > Here's the pics, Jerry. > I've got instructions if you'd like, but it's pretty simple to > do...just a > matter of figuring out where to locate the brackets so that they > allow the > strut/spring to go over center when closed, but don't allow the > door to go > up high enough to hit the wing. Some folks use a cable restraint to > do this, > but with the proper bracket locating method, this isn't necessary. > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:51:32 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: [off-topic] Simulator WAS: Black paint Ok, Michel, I just gotta critique ya on this picture/ drawing....where's the shadows under the tires, or did you just lift off? : ) And if you just lifted off, I gotta bust you for not looking down the runway. : ) : ) (double smiley) Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/480+ hrs/down for annual do not archive On Mar 30, 2008, at 4:52 AM, Michel Verheughe wrote: >> From: Lynn Matteson [lynnmatt@jps.net] >> Yup, that's the one. Shows a picture of your plane landing amidst a >> flock of seagulls, and mentions landing at ENFB, and you informing >> him of the difficulty of landing there now that it has closed. > > Do you mean, my simulator replica of my model 3? Coool! I am now > famous! :-) Yes, ENFB is now closed and, actually, my son works for > a telecom company that has its main office where the old runway > was. So ... kids, don't do this in real life! :-) > Here is a screenshot of my my digital Kitfox ... with the door open > and me, smiling! :-) > > Cheers, > Michel Verheughe > Norway > Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 > Do not archive > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:58:46 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: [off-topic] Simulator WAS: Black paint From: Rexinator Surely someone could help Michel out with a scan of the Kitplane article? I'll do it, but from where I live I have to drive over 80 miles round trip to find a newsstand with that magazine. My schedule will delay it a few days since I want to make most efficient use of the ethanol in my car. :-) -- Rex Hefferan SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs Michel Verheughe wrote: >>From: Lynn Matteson [lynnmatt@jps.net] >>It looks pretty visible to me, Michel, as viewed on page 45 of >>Kitplanes, April 2008 issue. : ) >> >> > >... now you got me really puzzled, Lynn. We can't get Kitplanes in the newsstands, here in Norway, so I have no way to find out myself. Yesterday, I received an email from Chuck Bodeen, an old friend from the X-Plane simulator, mentionning the new issue of Kitplanes and his article about safety by simulation, if I remember correctly. Is it what you refer to? > >Cheers, >Michel Verheughe >Norway >Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 >Do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:15:26 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: [off-topic] Simulator WAS: Black paint Maybe even better, the magazine should send him a few copies for including him in it, or perhaps the author of the article should? Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/480+ hrs/down for annual do not archive On Mar 30, 2008, at 11:55 AM, Rexinator wrote: > > Surely someone could help Michel out with a scan of the Kitplane > article? I'll do it, but from where I live I have to drive over 80 > miles round trip to find a newsstand with that magazine. My > schedule will delay it a few days since I want to make most > efficient use of the ethanol in my car. :-) > > -- > Rex Hefferan > SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs > > > Michel Verheughe wrote: > >>> From: Lynn Matteson [lynnmatt@jps.net] It looks pretty visible to >>> me, Michel, as viewed on page 45 of Kitplanes, April 2008 >>> issue. : ) >>> >> >> ... now you got me really puzzled, Lynn. We can't get Kitplanes in >> the newsstands, here in Norway, so I have no way to find out >> myself. Yesterday, I received an email from Chuck Bodeen, an old >> friend from the X-Plane simulator, mentionning the new issue of >> Kitplanes and his article about safety by simulation, if I >> remember correctly. Is it what you refer to? >> >> Cheers, >> Michel Verheughe >> Norway >> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 >> Do not archive >> > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:30:41 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Kitfox-List: Bing carbs Has anybody found the need to change the diaphragm in their Bing carbs? I just started to have a mid-range fuel problem, and I'm wondering if it could be the problem. The history is that I changed the needle jet from 2.76 to 2.78, and the rpm's around 1500-2000 became sluggish and it would die. This is during a ground run-up. Going back to the 2.76 jet didn't help, and it probably shouldn't have. If I pull the "choke" on, it helps to get through this "mid- range crisis" and will rev up to 2750, the normal static WOT for me in these atmospheric conditions. So it seems like it is lean, and in want of more fuel as shown by the better performance by applying choke, but nothing else has changed to cause it to become lean, or am I overlooking something? Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/480+ hrs/down for annual ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:48:26 AM PST US From: patrick reilly Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: [off-topic] Simulator WAS: Black paint Michel, If you send me your address I willl send you a copy of the Kitplane s mag you are featured in. Do not archive Pat Reilly Mod 3 582 Rebuild Rockford, IL> From: lynnmatt@jps.net> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: [off-topic] Simulator WAS: Black paint> Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 11:46:28 -0400> To: kit > > Ok, Michel, I just gotta critique ya on this picture/ > drawing....where's the shadows under the tires, or did you just lift > o ff? : ) And if you just lifted off, I gotta bust you for not looking > down the runway. : ) : ) (double smiley)> > Lynn Matteson> Grass Lake, Michigan > Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200> flying w/480+ hrs/down for annual> do not archive> > > On Mar 30, 2008, at 4:52 AM, Michel Verheughe wrote:> > >> From: Lynn Matteson [lynnmatt@jps.net]> >> Yup, that's the one. Shows a pi cture of your plane landing amidst a> >> flock of seagulls, and mentions la nding at ENFB, and you informing> >> him of the difficulty of landing there now that it has closed.> >> > Do you mean, my simulator replica of my mode l 3? Coool! I am now > > famous! :-) Yes, ENFB is now closed and, actually, my son works for > > a telecom company that has its main office where the old runway > > was. So ... kids, don't do this in real life! :-)> > Here is a screenshot of my my digital Kitfox ... with the door open > > and me, sm iling! :-)> >> > Cheers,> > Michel Verheughe> > Norway> > Kitfox 3 - Jabiru ========================> _ ===============> > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:06:48 AM PST US From: Steven Didier Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: [off-topic] Simulator WAS: Black paint Michel, attached is a jpeg of the page that has the reference to your simulator shot. BTW it is the May 2008 issue! Cheers, Steve Didier >> >> >> Michel Verheughe wrote: >> >>>> From: Lynn Matteson [lynnmatt@jps.net] It looks pretty visible to >>>> me, Michel, as viewed on page 45 of Kitplanes, April 2008 issue. >>>> : ) >>>> >>> >>> ... now you got me really puzzled, Lynn. We can't get Kitplanes in >>> the newsstands, here in Norway, so I have no way to find out >>> myself. Yesterday, I received an email from Chuck Bodeen, an old >>> friend from the X-Plane simulator, mentionning the new issue of >>> Kitplanes and his article about safety by simulation, if I remember >>> correctly. Is it what you refer to? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Michel Verheughe >>> Norway >>> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 >>> Do not archive >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:55:26 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Rudder Cable Adjustment? From: "darinh" Dan, It is going great up here...making good progress but still a ways to go. I looked at those same turnbuckles...can you tell me the overall lenght from end to end with the cable hardware? I have set the rudder per the manual and all is as it should be now but in my experience (which is not much I must admit) cable systems tend to relax or break in over time and the turnbuckles would allow for this small amount of slop to be adjusted out. As far as the center console adjustment goes, this only changes peddle location and has nothing to do with the length of the cables...the "fine" adjustment in the brackets is not very fine. I think I will leave them as is now and if the cables stretch over time, I will install the turnbuckles like Lynn did...in the center console in the cabin. -------- Darin Hawkes Series 7 (Painting) 914 Turbo Kaysville, Utah Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=173699#173699 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:29:17 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: [off-topic] Simulator > From: Steven Didier [steve.didier@gmail.com] > Michel, attached is a jpeg of the page that has the reference to your > simulator shot. BTW it is the May 2008 issue! Thank you very much Steve and Pat; thanks for the offer, much appreciated, but Steve scan is enough. Lynn, the reason I don't have a shadow under the wheels is that I use a good digital eraser ... :-) Cheers, Michel Verheughe Norway Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 Do not archive
________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:50:23 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Bing carbs From: "akflyer" Make sure the jets do not have any blockage. if you go up or down on the jetting and it does not change, that would point towards a blockage in the circuit. A fine piece of wire may do it for you. -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE Leonard Perry Soldotna AK Avid "C" / Mk IV 582 IVO IFA Full Lotus 1260 95% complete Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=173706#173706 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:46:42 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Bing carbs Thanks Leonard, but I'm pretty confident there's no blockage or dirt in the jets that I just changed. In all the carbs I've dealt with, I've never seen a carb as clean as this carb...nothing but pretty blue 100LL in the bowl. All jets are clean clear through. The perplexing thing is that the engine was running fine, but I wanted to get the EGT's down a few degrees, so I went up to the next size needle jet, and it balked at running in the mid-range, so I went back to the original jet, and it still balked. Obviously I screwed something up in the mid-range transition area of the carb, but this thing is so wonderfully simple that it's hard to see what could have gone wrong. I can't wait until Bing opens it's phone lines tomorrow so I can get some suggestions. Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/480+ hrs/down for annual On Mar 30, 2008, at 2:45 PM, akflyer wrote: > > Make sure the jets do not have any blockage. if you go up or down > on the jetting and it does not change, that would point towards a > blockage in the circuit. A fine piece of wire may do it for you. > > -------- > DO NOT ARCHIVE > Leonard Perry > Soldotna AK > Avid "C" / Mk IV > 582 IVO IFA > Full Lotus 1260 > 95% complete > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=173706#173706 > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:54:30 PM PST US From: Dan Billingsley Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Rudder Cable Adjustment? Darin, With the turnbuckle closed, it measures 3.75" from nose to tail.... If I measure it all including the cable swag hardware it is 5" It looks like the turnbuckles will give somewhere between 1 and 1.5" of adjustment. Dan B Mesa, AZ KF-IV 912s darinh wrote: Dan, It is going great up here...making good progress but still a ways to go. I looked at those same turnbuckles...can you tell me the overall lenght from end to end with the cable hardware? I have set the rudder per the manual and all is as it should be now but in my experience (which is not much I must admit) cable systems tend to relax or break in over time and the turnbuckles would allow for this small amount of slop to be adjusted out. As far as the center console adjustment goes, this only changes peddle location and has nothing to do with the length of the cables...the "fine" adjustment in the brackets is not very fine. I think I will leave them as is now and if the cables stretch over time, I will install the turnbuckles like Lynn did...in the center console in the cabin. -------- Darin Hawkes Series 7 (Painting) 914 Turbo Kaysville, Utah Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=173699#173699 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:58:30 PM PST US From: "samscycles@juno.com" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Bing carbs Make sure you don't have a vacume leak near the carb fittings. You can spray some carb cleaner around the fittings and listen for a change in e ngine if the fittings are leaking. _____________________________________________________________ Save thousands on a Veterinary Program - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3oKDy85vnVZGFjJfvT8lie cRM5dmxKs0f3PoPnlHhWc0DdaL/ ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:54:25 PM PST US From: patrick reilly Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Bing carbs Lynn, Someone already mentioned it, But are you sure you aren't leaking air in around the carb boots. Also, you mentioned "diaphram" I have never been in a bing carb, at least not since I fooled with BSA's 100 years ago, but an early Honda interceptor gave me fits because I was't gluing the diaphram s down in the carbs that I had cleaned and was distorting them when screwin g the carb top back on. I don't know, maybe? do not archive Pat Reilly > From: lynnmatt@jps.net> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Bing car bs> Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:39:29 -0400> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> > nks Leonard, but I'm pretty confident there's no blockage or dirt > in the jets that I just changed. In all the carbs I've dealt with, > I've never se en a carb as clean as this carb...nothing but pretty > blue 100LL in the bo wl. All jets are clean clear through. The > perplexing thing is that the en gine was running fine, but I wanted to > get the EGT's down a few degrees, so I went up to the next size > needle jet, and it balked at running in the mid-range, so I went back > to the original jet, and it still balked. Obvi ously I screwed > something up in the mid-range transition area of the carb , but this > thing is so wonderfully simple that it's hard to see what coul d have > gone wrong. I can't wait until Bing opens it's phone lines tomorro w > so I can get some suggestions.> > Lynn Matteson> Grass Lake, Michigan> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200> flying w/480+ hrs/down for annual> > > > On Mar 30, 2008, at 2:45 PM, akflyer wrote:> > > --> Kitfox-List message p osted by: "akflyer" > >> > Make sure the jets do no t have any blockage. if you go up or down > > on the jetting and it does no t change, that would point towards a > > blockage in the circuit. A fine pi ece of wire may do it for you.> >> > --------> > DO NOT ARCHIVE> > Leonard Perry> > Soldotna AK> > Avid "C" / Mk IV> > 582 IVO IFA> > Full L otus 1260> > 95% complete> >> >> >> >> > Read this topic online here:> >> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=173706#173706> >> >> >> >> > =======> > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:13:02 PM PST US From: "Pat Reilly" Subject: Kitfox-List: New windshield material Who asked a month ago about a new plexiglass material supplied out of Ohio? I bought a sheet, have some experience to share. And, I can't believe I can't find any of the paperwork on the material and don't remember the supplier . do not archive Pat Reilly ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:16:43 PM PST US From: patrick reilly Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: skis Steve, Why no thermostat? Wouldn't a thermostat be necessary to run in wint er in a cold climate? Pat Reilly do not archive @matronics.comSubject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: skis Pat, The Series 5 I have is equipped with a heater core. Referring to the origi nal Skystar packing list, dated 01/23/95, it was part of "Heater Kit, Singl e, 912 #69014.000 ". The "Radiator, Cabin Heater" is part #15044.000. The included fan was a 4" All other parts and part #'s are included in the list also. The heater does work. But, you wouldn't know it unless you stick your hand under it. The total efficiency is going to be determined by actual coolant temps and how air tight you cabin is. I do not have a thermostat in the system so coolant temps are at the mercy of ambient air temps and my cabin has a lot of drafts so, in my particular plane, it's just about useless. With some work (read $$), maybe. I'm talking about flying in 35' 'F or less, and when you consider wind chil l and any altitude, It gets cold. Gloves were mandatory for me this winter. I am not saying it couldn't be better... it is all due to the individual co nstruction of the plane, and mine has not been modified from the original d esign. Steve 84KF KF5\912UL ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 03:36:37 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Rudder Cable Adjustment? From: "darinh" Thanks Dan, these should fit just fine in the center console. -------- Darin Hawkes Series 7 (Painting) 914 Turbo Kaysville, Utah Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=173751#173751 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:36:34 PM PST US From: RAY Gignac Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Bing carbs > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com; jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com> From: lynnm att@jps.net> Subject: Kitfox-List: Bing carbs> Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 12:26 .net>> > Has anybody found the need to change the diaphragm in their Bing > carbs? I just started to have a mid-range fuel problem, and I'm > wonderin g if it could be the problem. The history is that I changed > the needle je t from 2.76 to 2.78, and the rpm's around 1500-2000 > became sluggish and i t would die. This is during a ground run-up. > Going back to the 2.76 jet d idn't help, and it probably shouldn't > have. If I pull the "choke" on, it helps to get through this "mid- > range crisis" and will rev up to 2750, th e normal static WOT for me > in these atmospheric conditions.> So it seems like it is lean, and in want of more fuel as shown by the > better performa nce by applying choke, but nothing else has changed to > cause it to become lean, or am I overlooking something?> > Lynn Matteson> Grass Lake, Michiga n> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200> flying w/480+ hrs/down for annual> > -======================== ==> > > Hi Lynn, Ray Gignac here and I just had both of my carbs cleane d and overhauled at Lockwood, and the diaphram was not replaced! if it is not cracked torn or dryrot it's ok. I did have a few bad O-rings!! Ray _________________________________________________________________ In a rush? Get real-time answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refr esh_realtime_042008 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:11:35 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Bing carbs Well, the boot looks good at this time. And the fact that this problem just started when I swapped jets makes one think that's the area to be looking for the cure. The diaphragm is not glued in my carb, and this is the first time I've been into the carb this far. I will get the lowdown on the carb tomorrow, I hope, when I talk to the techs at Bing. I'm not sure, but it seems like a test of some sort could be performed on the diaphragm without the spring in place, letting you know whether or not the diaphragm was able to hold air without leaking. Just for the record, there is a spring that holds the diaphragm and the sliding piston in its lowest position. It seems to me that if this spring was removed temporarily, a test could be made to show the "health" of the diaphragm. It seems like I read somewhere that the diaphragms need to be glued in, but not sure. I'm hoping to buy the DVD that Bing sells on overhauling the CV carbs. I only hope it's better than the aircraft carb tuning and parts manual I bought....dark pictures with arrows that point into the picture, supposedly showing a particular part, but the arrow gets lost in the dark picture, so you don't know where it's pointing. And it was mostly geared toward ultralight carbs...very little on the CV carbs. I see that Bing offers a service of correcting distortion in certain parts, so this must be a common problem. Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/480+ hrs/down for annual On Mar 30, 2008, at 5:49 PM, patrick reilly wrote: > Lynn, Someone already mentioned it, But are you sure you aren't > leaking air in around the carb boots. Also, you mentioned > "diaphram" I have never been in a bing carb, at least not since I > fooled with BSA's 100 years ago, but an early Honda interceptor > gave me fits because I was't gluing the diaphrams down in the carbs > that I had cleaned and was distorting them when screwing the carb > top back on. I don't know, maybe? > > do not archive > > Pat Reilly > > > From: lynnmatt@jps.net > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Bing carbs > > Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:39:29 -0400 > > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > > > > > > Thanks Leonard, but I'm pretty confident there's no blockage or dirt > > in the jets that I just changed. In all the carbs I've dealt with, > > I've never seen a carb as clean as this carb...nothing but pretty > > blue 100LL in the bowl. All jets are clean clear through. The > > perplexing thing is that the engine was running fine, but I > wanted to > > get the EGT's down a few degrees, so I went up to the next size > > needle jet, and it balked at running in the mid-range, so I went > back > > to the original jet, and it still balked. Obviously I screwed > > something up in the mid-range transition area of the carb, but this > > thing is so wonderfully simple that it's hard to see what could have > > gone wrong. I can't wait until Bing opens it's phone lines tomorrow > > so I can get some suggestions. > > > > Lynn Matteson > > Grass Lake, Michigan > > Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 > > flying w/480+ hrs/down for annual > > > > > > > > On Mar 30, 2008, at 2:45 PM, akflyer wrote: > > > > > > > > > Make sure the jets do not have any blockage. if you go up or down > > > on the jetting and it does not change, that would point towards a > > > blockage in the circuit. A fine piece of wire may do it for you. > > > > > > -------- > > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > Leonard Perry > > > Soldotna AK > > > Avid "C" / Mk IV > > > 582 IVO IFA > > > Full Lotus 1260 > > > 95% complete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=173706#173706 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ><============ > > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List_- > ============================================================ _- > forums.matronics.com_- > ============================================================ _- > contribution_- > =========================================================== ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 07:17:53 PM PST US From: kerrjohna@comcast.net Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Bing carbs Lynn, did you disassemble the carb from the top or just change the main jet from the bowl? If from the top is is critical that the diaphra be oriented properly with the index nub properly seated in the appropriate indentation. Applying the enrichener for improvement does speak to being lean for some reason. Sorry not to be more helpful John Kerr 912ul, rotek 3600 with 40mm Bing -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Lynn Matteson > > Well, the boot looks good at this time. And the fact that this > problem just started when I swapped jets makes one think that's the > area to be looking for the cure. The diaphragm is not glued in my > carb, and this is the first time I've been into the carb this far. I > will get the lowdown on the carb tomorrow, I hope, when I talk to the > techs at Bing. I'm not sure, but it seems like a test of some sort > could be performed on the diaphragm without the spring in place, > letting you know whether or not the diaphragm was able to hold air > without leaking. Just for the record, there is a spring that holds > the diaphragm and the sliding piston in its lowest position. It seems > to me that if this spring was removed temporarily, a test could be > made to show the "health" of the diaphragm. It seems like I read > somewhere that the diaphragms need to be glued in, but not sure. > > I'm hoping to buy the DVD that Bing sells on overhauling the CV > carbs. I only hope it's better than the aircraft carb tuning and > parts manual I bought....dark pictures with arrows that point into > the picture, supposedly showing a particular part, but the arrow gets > lost in the dark picture, so you don't know where it's pointing. And > it was mostly geared toward ultralight carbs...very little on the CV > carbs. > > I see that Bing offers a service of correcting distortion in certain > parts, so this must be a common problem. > > > Lynn Matteson > Grass Lake, Michigan > Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 > flying w/480+ hrs/down for annual > > > On Mar 30, 2008, at 5:49 PM, patrick reilly wrote: > > > Lynn, Someone already mentioned it, But are you sure you aren't > > leaking air in around the carb boots. Also, you mentioned > > "diaphram" I have never been in a bing carb, at least not since I > > fooled with BSA's 100 years ago, but an early Honda interceptor > > gave me fits because I was't gluing the diaphrams down in the carbs > > that I had cleaned and was distorting them when screwing the carb > > top back on. I don't know, maybe? > > > > do not archive > > > > Pat Reilly > > > > > From: lynnmatt@jps.net > > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Bing carbs > > > Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:39:29 -0400 > > > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > > > > > > > > > Thanks Leonard, but I'm pretty confident there's no blockage or dirt > > > in the jets that I just changed. In all the carbs I've dealt with, > > > I've never seen a carb as clean as this carb...nothing but pretty > > > blue 100LL in the bowl. All jets are clean clear through. The > > > perplexing thing is that the engine was running fine, but I > > wanted to > > > get the EGT's down a few degrees, so I went up to the next size > > > needle jet, and it balked at running in the mid-range, so I went > > back > > > to the original jet, and it still balked. Obviously I screwed > > > something up in the mid-range transition area of the carb, but this > > > thing is so wonderfully simple that it's hard to see what could have > > > gone wrong. I can't wait until Bing opens it's phone lines tomorrow > > > so I can get some suggestions. > > > > > > Lynn Matteson > > > Grass Lake, Michigan > > > Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 > > > flying w/480+ hrs/down for annual > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 30, 2008, at 2:45 PM, akflyer wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Make sure the jets do not have any blockage. if you go up or down > > > > on the jetting and it does not change, that would point towards a > > > > blockage in the circuit. A fine piece of wire may do it for you. > > > > > > > > -------- > > > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > > Leonard Perry > > > > Soldotna AK > > > > Avid "C" / Mk IV > > > > 582 IVO IFA > > > > Full Lotus 1260 > > > > 95% complete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=173706#173706 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ><============ > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List_- > > ============================================================ _- > > forums.matronics.com_- > > ============================================================ _- > > contribution_- > > =========================================================== > > > > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:44:08 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Bing carbs Hi Ray- Jeez, you must have bucks to burn, getting Lockwood to do the work. : ) I'm probably not going to find any fault with my diaphragm, but in the "Bing Carburetors Aircraft Tuning and Parts Manual", on the page where they talk about "recommendations and tips on CV carbs" the first thing they say is "You should replace the diaphragm in your CV carb every two years regardless of hours." This may be to sell some parts, but it may be good advice. My diaphragm looks perfect, but if there were invisible pinholes, now would be good time to change it, even at $60 a pop! At this point, I'm willing to throw good money after a cure for my carb woes. It just takes too much effort to get at my carb to remove it, and I'd like to know it's right when it goes back in. The timing couldn't have been worse for this problem to come up, wanting to leave later this week for Sun 'n' Fun. : ( Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/480+ hrs/down for annual On Mar 30, 2008, at 8:33 PM, RAY Gignac wrote: > > > > Has anybody found the need to change the diaphragm in their Bing > > carbs? > > Lynn Matteson > > Hi Lynn, Ray Gignac here and I just had both of my carbs cleaned > and overhauled at Lockwood, and the diaphram was not replaced! if > it is not cracked torn or dryrot it's ok. I did have a few bad O- > rings!! > > Ray > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 08:04:21 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Bing carbs Hi John- After this problem came up, I pulled the carb off the engine and went into the top to see what shape the diaphragm was in...it looks great. It wasn't the main jet that I changed, but the needle jet. This is the "cruise jet" more or less. It's the one that sits just above the main jet on what they call the Mixing Tube (a/k/a Jet Stock), and it's the one that the needle slides in and out of, changing the mid- range mixture. I had read earlier that there was a tab that must be oriented correctly into the indentation, and of course it was. If this were to be assembled out of line, I'd think that a vacuum leak would exist, and running the engine might not happen...not well anyway. I've also heard of gluing this diaphragm in place, but this wasn't done on my carb that I could detect anyway. I'll get Bing's take on this practice, unless somebody can tell me otherwise. Right now I've got the carb sitting in front of a picture of Dale Earnhardt, hoping that the Intimidator's glare will whip the carb into shape. : ) What have you got the Rotec in, John? A Kitfox? I met Joe Meyeres from Olathe, KS at last year's Oshkosh, and he has a 7 cyl Rotec in a 'fox. I just googled his site: www.rotecradialengines.com/customers/joemeyeres.htm Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/480+ hrs/down for annual On Mar 30, 2008, at 10:09 PM, kerrjohna@comcast.net wrote: > > Lynn, did you disassemble the carb from the top or just change the > main jet from the bowl? > > If from the top is is critical that the diaphra be oriented > properly with the index nub properly seated in the appropriate > indentation. > > Applying the enrichener for improvement does speak to being lean > for some reason. > > Sorry not to be more helpful > > John Kerr > 912ul, rotek 3600 with 40mm Bing > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: Lynn Matteson >> >> Well, the boot looks good at this time. And the fact that this >> problem just started when I swapped jets makes one think that's the >> area to be looking for the cure. The diaphragm is not glued in my >> carb, and this is the first time I've been into the carb this far. I >> will get the lowdown on the carb tomorrow, I hope, when I talk to the >> techs at Bing. I'm not sure, but it seems like a test of some sort >> could be performed on the diaphragm without the spring in place, >> letting you know whether or not the diaphragm was able to hold air >> without leaking. Just for the record, there is a spring that holds >> the diaphragm and the sliding piston in its lowest position. It seems >> to me that if this spring was removed temporarily, a test could be >> made to show the "health" of the diaphragm. It seems like I read >> somewhere that the diaphragms need to be glued in, but not sure. >> >> I'm hoping to buy the DVD that Bing sells on overhauling the CV >> carbs. I only hope it's better than the aircraft carb tuning and >> parts manual I bought....dark pictures with arrows that point into >> the picture, supposedly showing a particular part, but the arrow gets >> lost in the dark picture, so you don't know where it's pointing. And >> it was mostly geared toward ultralight carbs...very little on the CV >> carbs. >> >> I see that Bing offers a service of correcting distortion in certain >> parts, so this must be a common problem. >> >> >> Lynn Matteson >> Grass Lake, Michigan >> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 >> flying w/480+ hrs/down for annual >> >> >> On Mar 30, 2008, at 5:49 PM, patrick reilly wrote: >> >>> Lynn, Someone already mentioned it, But are you sure you aren't >>> leaking air in around the carb boots. Also, you mentioned >>> "diaphram" I have never been in a bing carb, at least not since I >>> fooled with BSA's 100 years ago, but an early Honda interceptor >>> gave me fits because I was't gluing the diaphrams down in the carbs >>> that I had cleaned and was distorting them when screwing the carb >>> top back on. I don't know, maybe? >>> >>> do not archive >>> >>> Pat Reilly >>> >>>> From: lynnmatt@jps.net >>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Bing carbs >>>> Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:39:29 -0400 >>>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks Leonard, but I'm pretty confident there's no blockage or >>>> dirt >>>> in the jets that I just changed. In all the carbs I've dealt with, >>>> I've never seen a carb as clean as this carb...nothing but pretty >>>> blue 100LL in the bowl. All jets are clean clear through. The >>>> perplexing thing is that the engine was running fine, but I >>> wanted to >>>> get the EGT's down a few degrees, so I went up to the next size >>>> needle jet, and it balked at running in the mid-range, so I went >>> back >>>> to the original jet, and it still balked. Obviously I screwed >>>> something up in the mid-range transition area of the carb, but this >>>> thing is so wonderfully simple that it's hard to see what could >>>> have >>>> gone wrong. I can't wait until Bing opens it's phone lines tomorrow >>>> so I can get some suggestions. >>>> >>>> Lynn Matteson >>>> Grass Lake, Michigan >>>> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 >>>> flying w/480+ hrs/down for annual >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mar 30, 2008, at 2:45 PM, akflyer wrote: >>>> >>> >>>>> >>>>> Make sure the jets do not have any blockage. if you go up or down >>>>> on the jetting and it does not change, that would point towards a >>>>> blockage in the circuit. A fine piece of wire may do it for you. >>>>> >>>>> -------- >>>>> DO NOT ARCHIVE >>>>> Leonard Perry >>>>> Soldotna AK >>>>> Avid "C" / Mk IV >>>>> 582 IVO IFA >>>>> Full Lotus 1260 >>>>> 95% complete >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Read this topic online here: >>>>> >>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=173706#173706 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <============ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List_- >>> ============================================================ _- >>> forums.matronics.com_- >>> ============================================================ _- >>> contribution_- >>> =========================================================== >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 09:01:46 PM PST US From: 84KF Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: skis "....Wouldn't a (coolant) thermostat be necessary to run in winter in a cold climate?" Necessary? No. Desired for comfort? Perhaps. The engine was not designed with one, not necessary..., and there is no minimum head temp given in the Operations Manual, (10.1 General operating Limitations)....just the max. Nothing wrong with running cool cylinders, and low head temps in cold weather is just a direct reflection of coolant temps at the cylinders. (Note: coolant temp is not being displayed on the gauge, it's head temp..) Steve 84KF KF5\912UL ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 09:27:39 PM PST US From: jerry evans Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: gas door struts install? Thanks lynn that made it easier to build ones to fit mine they work great thanks Jerry Lynn Matteson wrote: Here's the pics, Jerry. I've got instructions if you'd like, but it's pretty simple to do...just a matter of figuring out where to locate the brackets so that they allow the strut/spring to go over center when closed, but don't allow the door to go up high enough to hit the wing. Some folks use a cable restraint to do this, but with the proper bracket locating method, this isn't necessary. Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/480+ hrs/down for annual On Mar 28, 2008, at 6:57 PM, jerry evans wrote: > How are you guys installing the strut to the door frames and inside > the plane ANY pictures? Thanks Jerry > > Jerry Evans > 96% done 582 > Magalia Calif. > N582'er' > kitfox 555 > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _- > www.matronics.com/contribution _- > =========================================================== Jerry Evans 96% done 582 Magalia Calif. N582'er' kitfox 555 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 10:57:31 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Cowling spacing From: "wadegreaves" Lookin to get rolling on my cowl mounting before my prop and spinner are delivered. I have a Series 7 with a 912s using a 2" extension. I am going to use a Warp Drive prop and an 11" UHS spinner. I am just wondering if the the rear rim of the spinner is flush with the front face of the 2" prop extension. If so, I could make a plate the diameter of the spinner at its base to situate/center my cowl. If you know off hand, let me know! 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