---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 04/03/08: 28 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:30 AM - Re: Bungee Gear Leg (dave) 2. 05:23 AM - Re: Rotax 912S - oil in cylinder (Catz631@AOL.COM) 3. 05:57 AM - Re: Rotax 912S - oil in cylinder (Keith C.) 4. 06:20 AM - Re: Desert Fox Squadron Fly-in Photos (Lynn Matteson) 5. 06:46 AM - Re: Bungee Gear Leg (Tom Jones) 6. 06:53 AM - Re: Weight and Balance Excel program (jdmcbean) 7. 07:05 AM - Re: Re: Bungee Gear Leg (Wahlquist, Dave) 8. 07:33 AM - Re: Bungee Gear Leg (jdmcbean) 9. 08:08 AM - Re: Desert Fox Squadron Fly-in Photos (Michel Verheughe) 10. 09:27 AM - Re: Desert Fox Squadron Fly-in Photos (Michael Gibbs) 11. 01:41 PM - Re: Bungee Gear Leg (dave) 12. 02:49 PM - Re: CAMPING AT AIRVENTURE OSHKOSHRe: Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? (kirk hull) 13. 03:05 PM - Re: TCP (Noel Loveys) 14. 04:24 PM - 912s at Sun n Fun (Chenoweth) 15. 04:25 PM - Re: CAMPING AT AIRVENTURE OSHKOSHRe: Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? (Jerry Hancock) 16. 05:05 PM - Sun-n-Fun 2008 (RONAL SMITH) 17. 05:29 PM - Re: TCP (Mnflyer) 18. 06:32 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? (FlyboyTR) 19. 06:33 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? (FlyboyTR) 20. 06:38 PM - Re: Sun-n-Fun 2008 (FlyboyTR) 21. 06:39 PM - Re: Desert Fox Squadron Fly-in Photos (FlyboyTR) 22. 06:39 PM - Re: 912s at Sun n Fun (FlyboyTR) 23. 07:08 PM - Re: Bungee Gear Leg (corbob13) 24. 07:16 PM - CAMPING AT AIRVENTURE OSHKOSH Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What ar (corbob13) 25. 07:18 PM - Re: Re: 912s at Sun n Fun (Lynn Matteson) 26. 07:33 PM - Re: TCP (ronlee) 27. 09:24 PM - Re: Re: TCP (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk) 28. 10:02 PM - Re: Re: TCP (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:30:56 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Bungee Gear Leg From: "dave" > Quote: > ...the early Kitfox was an Avid copy (here we go again)... > > > Then why start it again? > > Mike G. > What is the point ? The posting was about Gear Leg so why go on your banter about the Kitfox /Avid story ? Just ask Dean Wilson how it started he willl give you an honest answer? Seems like since Mc Bean has no interest in helping out then I would bet Steve Winder at Airdale would. I thought Murle Williams was a well rounded Kitfox guy too? I have a set of KF 2 Gear on hand here now but IT a customers and I could certainly make a new gear for him if no one else can. What would a fair price be for a Tube gear ? -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174533#174533 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:23:30 AM PST US From: Catz631@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax 912S - oil in cylinder Gary, It's perfectly normal to have oil siphon from a high oil tank into the cylinders over time. My Kitfox does it all the time.It's just like a radial engine I used to have on a Waco.That is why you turn the prop thru so as to prevent a "hydraulic lock" which will do a number on your engine. If you check your oil level without turning the prop,you can see the quantity go down on the dipstick for each day that you do not rotate the prop. Mine goes from max to below min in a week. Nature of the beast I guess Dick Maddux Fox 4-1200 Rotax 912 Ul Pensacola,Fl (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:41 AM PST US From: "Keith C." Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax 912S - oil in cylinder Dick and all, In addition to that, after trailering mine 1700 mi, a theory not proven, it drains faster bouncing on the trailer. A short trip to the airport could require a couple of rotations. Keith C. Mod IV 912 Mather (MHR) CA ----- Original Message ----- From: Catz631@aol.com To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 5:19 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax 912S - oil in cylinder Gary, It's perfectly normal to have oil siphon from a high oil tank into the cylinders over time. My Kitfox does it all the time.It's just like a radial engine I used to have on a Waco.That is why you turn the prop thru so as to prevent a "hydraulic lock" which will do a number on your engine. If you check your oil level without turning the prop,you can see the quantity go down on the dipstick for each day that you do not rotate the prop. Mine goes from max to below min in a week. Nature of the beast I guess Dick Maddux Fox 4-1200 Rotax 912 Ul Pensacola,Fl ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:20:16 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Desert Fox Squadron Fly-in Photos Nice...I'm jealous! Lynn do not archive On Apr 3, 2008, at 1:41 AM, Michael Gibbs wrote: > Hi all, > > I thought there might be some interest in these photos from the 8th > annual Desert Fox Squadron fly-in this last weekend. Enjoy! > > Mike G. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:46:02 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Bungee Gear Leg From: "Tom Jones" corbob13 wrote: > Guys, > I recent bought and, just on Sunday, started flying a Kitfox Model II. I've flown in it a few times, but no take-offs or landings. On Sunday I was out with my instructor (working on my tailwheel endorsement) and on our first landing the left side gear leg collapsed during roll out. The field was soft, as was the landing, but the plane just tipped onto its side. Luckily no damage other than the gear. > > I assume it is the result of fatigue from earlier poor landings. I looked the plane over quite thoroughly before buying and noticed nothing, as well as during the preflight. Has there been an issue with the gear on the Model IIs? > Cory, Is your instructor experienced with landing the Kitfox. The tube gear is prone to breaking if the plane is landed in a crab. The engine cowl tapers significantly from the rear to the nose and gives the pilot the impression the plane is in a crab when it is straight and vise versa. being a relatively new kitfox pilot myself I can attest that this illusion is real. There was a post a few years ago from a Kitfox owner that was taking a flight review in his own kitfox and had to make a few landings to convince his instructor and even then the instructor tried to touch down with the plane in a crab. Before I flew my kitfox the first time I stood behind it and lined the centerline up with a water tower about 200 yards away. I then sat in the seat and made a mark on the windshield that lined up on the water tower. When landing this line must be lined up on the runway centerline. A picture of my "Kitfox landing site line is attached". -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174570#174570 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/kitfox_landing_sight_line_292.jpg ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:53:27 AM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Weight and Balance Excel program Chuck, You may want to try the Kitfox Aircraft web.. Technical info link Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean 208.337.5111 www.kitfoxaircraft.com "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kj7sr@earthlink.net Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 2:05 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Weight and Balance Excel program About a year ago someone sent me an Excel program they used to compute theCG in their Kitfox. Would you please share it again. Do not archive Chuck Bloom Model IV Missoula, MT kj7sr@earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You. Checked by AVG. 5:37 PM ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:05:50 AM PST US Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Bungee Gear Leg From: "Wahlquist, Dave" Cory, Cory or others, If you could post some pictures of the broken gear it may help others when we double check our own gear legs for problems. Dave Wahlquist Marshall WI Kitfox Model III Rotax 582 N844KF -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Jones Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 8:43 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Bungee Gear Leg corbob13 wrote: > Guys, > I recent bought and, just on Sunday, started flying a Kitfox Model II. I've flown in it a few times, but no take-offs or landings. On Sunday I was out with my instructor (working on my tailwheel endorsement) and on our first landing the left side gear leg collapsed during roll out. The field was soft, as was the landing, but the plane just tipped onto its side. Luckily no damage other than the gear. > > I assume it is the result of fatigue from earlier poor landings. I looked the plane over quite thoroughly before buying and noticed nothing, as well as during the preflight. Has there been an issue with the gear on the Model IIs? > Cory, Is your instructor experienced with landing the Kitfox. The tube gear is prone to breaking if the plane is landed in a crab. The engine cowl tapers significantly from the rear to the nose and gives the pilot the impression the plane is in a crab when it is straight and vise versa. being a relatively new kitfox pilot myself I can attest that this illusion is real. There was a post a few years ago from a Kitfox owner that was taking a flight review in his own kitfox and had to make a few landings to convince his instructor and even then the instructor tried to touch down with the plane in a crab. Before I flew my kitfox the first time I stood behind it and lined the centerline up with a water tower about 200 yards away. I then sat in the seat and made a mark on the windshield that lined up on the water tower. When landing this line must be lined up on the runway centerline. A picture of my "Kitfox landing site line is attached". -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174570#174570 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/kitfox_landing_sight_line_292.jpg ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:33:02 AM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Bungee Gear Leg Cory, I apologize if there was a miss understanding... We can help.. I would be nice to have your collapsed gear so that we could verify what you have. Contact me off list. Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean 208.337.5111 www.kitfoxaircraft.com "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of corbob13 Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 7:10 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Bungee Gear Leg Guys, I recent bought and, just on Sunday, started flying a Kitfox Model II. I've flown in it a few times, but no take-offs or landings. On Sunday I was out with my instructor (working on my tailwheel endorsement) and on our first landing the left side gear leg collapsed during roll out. The field was soft, as was the landing, but the plane just tipped onto its side. Luckily no damage other than the gear. I assume it is the result of fatigue from earlier poor landings. I looked the plane over quite thoroughly before buying and noticed nothing, as well as during the preflight. Has there been an issue with the gear on the Model IIs? Most importantly is there someone out there who has a set of legs, or just the left, and would be willing to sell it? Kitfox Aircraft can't help, I've already called them; all they can offer is a new spring gear, for which I currently don't have the money. If no one has a used gear available are there any other sources of parts for me? My last resort is fabricating a new leg, which I can do if I must, but I'd prefer to buy something complete. -------- Cory N906DB Kitfox Model II, Rotax 582 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174461#174461 Checked by AVG. 5:37 PM Checked by AVG. 10:48 AM ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:08:04 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Desert Fox Squadron Fly-in Photos > From: Lynn Matteson [lynnmatt@jps.net] > Nice...I'm jealous! So am I. And, Mike, can you send me some of that blue stuff over the horizon and the yellow disk in it. We haven't seen that for weeks, over here! :-( Cheers, Michel Verheughe Norway Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 Do not archive
________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:27:51 AM PST US From: Michael Gibbs Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Desert Fox Squadron Fly-in Photos Michel sez: >...And, Mike, can you send me some of that blue stuff over the >horizon and the yellow disk in it. We haven't seen that for weeks, >over here! :-( For you, Michel, anything! Mike G. N728KF Phoenix, AZ ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:41:17 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Bungee Gear Leg From: "dave" > Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 10:33 am Post subject: Bungee Gear Leg > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Cory, > I apologize if there was a miss understanding... We can help.. I would be > nice to have your collapsed gear so that we could verify what you have. > > Contact me off list. > Fly Safe !! > John & Debra McBean > > Glad to hear you can help John. I thought it was odd that you were not supporting Kitfox parts. -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174630#174630 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:49:22 PM PST US From: "kirk hull" Subject: RE: CAMPING AT AIRVENTURE OSHKOSHRe: Kitfox-List: Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? Yes you can but I would suggest camping at the YMCA about 3 miles away. You camp on an air-conditioned and heated and dry indoor soccer field. The run a bus to the show daily and the facilities are great. Indoor pool, weight room ,kids area etc. _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Harris Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 10:37 PM Subject: CAMPING AT AIRVENTURE OSHKOSHRe: Kitfox-List: Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? Does any one know if you can camp at Airventure in Okskosh if your drive in? Wish I could fly but my family of six will not fit in my Kitfox. Robert San Diego V/0200 ----- Original Message ---- From: "Sbennett3@aol.com" Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2008 7:00:41 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? Travis, My friend Luis and I are flying down fron NC/SC in our 4-1200's on 4/8. We'll also be camping in the ultalight side. Steve Bennett Durham NC. _____ Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:05:11 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: TCP Considering MMO is mostly Stoddard solvent It may work as well on the upper cylinder... I doubt it will do the square root of sweet nothing to protect your main bearings from lead plating if you use 100LL. Noel From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Christensen Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 8:04 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: TCP I read that Marvel Mystery oil is a substitute for TCP. Any experience out there? Pete Christensen Kitfox III N73BH http://www.pipercubforum.com/marvel.htm ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:24:58 PM PST US From: "Chenoweth" Subject: Kitfox-List: 912s at Sun n Fun I'm going to be converting my IV-1200 from 582 to 912S this summer and will be at Sun n Fun next week (Thursday thru Saturday). If there are any of you with 912s in model IVs who will be there and would be willing to discuss their installations and, perhaps, let me take a few pictures please contact me off list. Thanks very much. Bill Chenoweth Albion, Maine do not archive ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:25:44 PM PST US From: "Jerry Hancock" Subject: Re: CAMPING AT AIRVENTURE OSHKOSHRe: Kitfox-List: Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? Robert, The simple answer is yes. They have camping to tents or RV's but RV space is limited. Here is the link to review your options http://www.airventure.org/2008/planning/where_to_stay.html Have a great time. I have been their twice. Flown in once and camped and then stayed at one the universites the second time. On 4/3/08, Robert Harris wrote: > > Does any one know if you can camp at Airventure in Okskosh if your drive > in? Wish I could fly but my family of six will not fit in my Kitfox. > > > Robert > San Diego > V/0200 > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "Sbennett3@aol.com" > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2008 7:00:41 AM > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? > > Travis, My friend Luis and I are flying down fron NC/SC in our 4-1200's on > 4/8. We'll also be camping in the ultalight side. Steve Bennett Durham NC. > > > ------------------------------ > Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home > . > > * > > * > > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:05:11 PM PST US From: "RONAL SMITH" Subject: Kitfox-List: Sun-n-Fun 2008 I too am flying down to S-n-F in my Kitfox 4, from Delaware. It looks like the weather is dictating a Sunday (6th) departure. I plan to spend Sunday nite in Walterboro, SC, and then arrive at Lakeland on Monday afternoon. Will be camping in the homebuilt area. Cell no. is 302-381-5105. Hope to meet some of you people. Ron Smith, KF 4 with Jabiru 2200. Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:29:36 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: TCP From: "Mnflyer" PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 2:05 pm Post subject: TCP Considering MMO is mostly Stoddard solvent It may work as well on the upper cylinder... I doubt it will do the square root of sweet nothing to protect your main bearings from lead plating if you use 100LL. Noel So what proof can you offer that MMO is mostly Stoddard solvent? I,m curious have never seen it listed as part of the formula. -------- GB MNFlyer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174692#174692 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:32:46 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? From: "FlyboyTR" I just sent Lynn some info and thought I would post it here as well. For those first-timers flying into the UL area and camping, this should help give a little more guidance. ATTACHED! We now have 3 SNF threads going. I will bump them to try to keep all the info together. Sorry for the clutter! Travis :D -------- Travis Rayner Mobile, AL Skystar Vixen, N-789DF Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop IFR with Autopilot AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174701#174701 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/ul_camping_diagram_509.doc ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:33:06 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? From: "FlyboyTR" Another Shameless Bump [Embarassed] -------- Travis Rayner Mobile, AL Skystar Vixen, N-789DF Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop IFR with Autopilot AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174702#174702 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:38:04 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Sun-n-Fun 2008 From: "FlyboyTR" Ron, Please read the two other SNF threads. Have you considered landing/camping in the UL area? It looks like we are going to have a Kitfox show there! Travis :D -------- Travis Rayner Mobile, AL Skystar Vixen, N-789DF Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop IFR with Autopilot AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174703#174703 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:39:45 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Desert Fox Squadron Fly-in Photos From: "FlyboyTR" Great Pictures! Thanks! Travis :D -------- Travis Rayner Mobile, AL Skystar Vixen, N-789DF Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop IFR with Autopilot AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174708#174708 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:39:47 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 912s at Sun n Fun From: "FlyboyTR" Bill, I don't have a Rotax in my plane...but feel free to visit the UL/Camping area. Looks like it will be the Kitfox corner of the world! Hopefully we'll get to meet you! Travis :D -------- Travis Rayner Mobile, AL Skystar Vixen, N-789DF Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop IFR with Autopilot AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174707#174707 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:08:07 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Bungee Gear Leg From: "corbob13" Some pics attached. It was pretty strange. As I said, the landing was not bad, and the field was pretty soft, but right after touching down we heard a snap and the plane just kind of leaned over. You can see in the pictures that the tube on the leading edge of the leg is bent and the strut that reaches up toward the bungees is cracked near its confluence with the rest of the gear. The fabric damage is the result of our official investigation, not the incident itself. No corrosion was found, and the crack in the strut appears fresh. Luckily that's all that broke; we could have pretty easily wiped the radiator off the bottom of the plane or had a prop strike. Cory -------- Cory N906DB Kitfox Model II, Rotax 582 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174713#174713 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/100_5159_227.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/100_5157_283.jpg ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:16:43 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: CAMPING AT AIRVENTURE OSHKOSH Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What ar From: "corbob13" Robert, Yes you can camp at Camp Scholler as was already suggested. I usually stay the week in an old camper I tow down (I live pretty close) and it's a pretty good time. It does lack the amenities of the Y but it's convenient. Cory -------- Cory N906DB Kitfox Model II, Rotax 582 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174717#174717 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:18:11 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: 912s at Sun n Fun I don't either, Bill, but I'd be glad to let you shoot pictures of my engine installation and help you change your mind about engine choices. : ) That is, if the weather cooperates. Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/480+ hrs/down for annual do not archive On Apr 3, 2008, at 9:35 PM, FlyboyTR wrote: > > Bill, > I don't have a Rotax in my plane...but feel free to visit the UL/ > Camping area. Looks like it will be the Kitfox corner of the > world! Hopefully we'll get to meet you! > > Travis > :D ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:21 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: TCP From: "ronlee" I have the same question. How do you know MMO is Stoddard solvent? Where did you find that information or is just a guess or hearsay? The mining companies use it by the 55 gallon barrels for many applications including all air tools. The military also uses barrels of the stuff. In view of this I wouldn't think it is Stoddard solvent. -------- Ron Lee Tucson, Arizona Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174719#174719 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 09:24:43 PM PST US From: Jim_and_Lucy Chuk Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: TCP Here is something I read a few years ago, it is an accident report on the N STB site that mentions MMO and in the 5th paragraph up from the bottom, it says that MMO is mineral oil, stoddard solvent, and lard (75%, 24%, 1%) I can't say for sure this is true, it is an official gov. document though, s o who knows. Hope this long link comes out okey. I found it again on the web by searching Marvel mystery oil FAA and found it on the second page I think. Jim Chuk Avids Mn http://www.nstb.gov/nstb/brief2.asp?ev_id 020916X01610&nstbno=NYC0LA1 81&akey=1 if that isn't the right link, maybe this is (not sure if the 0 in NYCOLA is a letter or #) http://www.nstb.gov/nstb/brief2.asp?ev_id 020916X01610&nstbno=NYCOLA1 81&akey=1> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: TCP> From: rlee468@comcast.net> Date : Thu, 3 Apr 2008 19:29:36 -0700> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> > --> Kitf ox-List message posted by: "ronlee" > > I have the sam e question. How do you know MMO is Stoddard solvent? Where did you find tha t information or is just a guess or hearsay?> The mining companies use it b y the 55 gallon barrels for many applications including all air tools. The military also uses barrels of the stuff. In view of this I wouldn't think i t is Stoddard solvent.> > --------> Ron Lee> Tucson, Arizona> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=17 =========> > > _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM _WL_Refresh_messenger_video_042008 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 10:02:55 PM PST US From: Jim_and_Lucy Chuk Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: TCP Those long links are hard to get right. If it doesn't work, google Marvel mystery oil FAA and it will be on the first page, 9th item down titled NY CO2LA I'll try the link again, left out a 2 last time http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id 020916X01610&ntsbno=NYC02LA 181&akey=1 From: thesupe@hotmail.comTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Kitfox-L ist: Re: TCPDate: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 04:21:33 +0000 Here is something I read a few years ago, it is an accident report on the N STB site that mentions MMO and in the 5th paragraph up from the bottom, it says that MMO is mineral oil, stoddard solvent, and lard (75%, 24%, 1%) I can't say for sure this is true, it is an official gov. document though, s o who knows. Hope this long link comes out okey. I found it again on the web by searching Marvel mystery oil FAA and found it on the second page I think. Jim Chuk Avids Mn http://www.nstb.gov/nstb/brief2.asp?ev_id 0 20916X01610&nstbno=NYC0LA181&akey=1 if that isn't the right link, may be this is (not sure if the 0 in NYCOLA is a letter or #)http://www.nstb.g ov/nstb/brief2.asp?ev_id 020916X01610&nstbno=NYCOLA181&akey=1> Subj ect: Kitfox-List: Re: TCP> From: rlee468@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 19:29:36 -0700> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> > --> Kitfox-List message p osted by: "ronlee" > > I have the same question. How d o you know MMO is Stoddard solvent? Where did you find that information or is just a guess or hearsay?> The mining companies use it by the 55 gallon b arrels for many applications including all air tools. The military also use s barrels of the stuff. In view of this I wouldn't think it is Stoddard sol vent.> > --------> Ron Lee> Tucson, Arizona> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174719#174719> &g ==========> > > Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. 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