---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 04/04/08: 33 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:51 AM - Re: Re: 912s at Sun n Fun (Chenoweth) 2. 06:22 AM - Re: Bungee Gear Leg (Tom Jones) 3. 06:32 AM - 6" gear extension (LarryM) 4. 08:47 AM - cross winds concerns (jlno7@aim.com) 5. 08:50 AM - Re: 6" gear extension (wingnut) 6. 09:04 AM - Re: Re: 6" gear extension (Sbennett3@aol.com) 7. 09:06 AM - Re: cross winds concerns (n85ae) 8. 09:24 AM - Florida Tax Law Clarification (Guy Buchanan) 9. 09:32 AM - Re: cross winds concerns (Guy Buchanan) 10. 10:11 AM - Re: 6" gear extension (LarryM) 11. 11:06 AM - Re: 6" gear extension (wingnut) 12. 11:21 AM - Re: cross winds concerns (wingnut) 13. 11:33 AM - Re: 6" gear extension (wingnut) 14. 11:40 AM - Re: Re: 6" gear extension (Sbennett3@aol.com) 15. 11:42 AM - Re: cross winds concerns (n85ae) 16. 12:45 PM - Re: Re: cross winds concerns (Michel Verheughe) 17. 01:38 PM - Re: Re: TCP (Noel Loveys) 18. 02:04 PM - Need NSI Subaru Operating Limitations (John W. Hart) 19. 02:20 PM - Re: Re: TCP (Noel Loveys) 20. 03:00 PM - Re: TCP (dave) 21. 03:05 PM - Re: 6" gear extension (dave) 22. 03:09 PM - Need NSI Subaru Operating Limitations (fox5flyer) 23. 03:34 PM - Re: Need NSI Subaru Operating Limitations (A Smith) 24. 03:36 PM - Re: 6" gear extension (wingnut) 25. 03:46 PM - Re: 6" gear extension (wingnut) 26. 03:51 PM - Re: 6" gear extension (wingnut) 27. 04:17 PM - Re: TCP (Mnflyer) 28. 04:22 PM - Re: 6" gear extension (dave) 29. 04:28 PM - Re: cross winds concerns (dave) 30. 05:00 PM - Re: Need NSI Subaru Operating Limitations (John W. Hart) 31. 05:19 PM - Re: 6" gear extension (dave) 32. 05:53 PM - Great Lakes kitfox Fly-In (steve shinabery) 33. 09:36 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? (wingnut) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:51:03 AM PST US From: "Chenoweth" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: 912s at Sun n Fun Lynn and Travis - I will definitely look you guys up. Bill do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 10:12 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: 912s at Sun n Fun > > I don't either, Bill, but I'd be glad to let you shoot pictures of my > engine installation and help you change your mind about engine choices. > : ) That is, if the weather cooperates. > > Lynn Matteson > Grass Lake, Michigan > Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 > flying w/480+ hrs/down for annual > do not archive > > > On Apr 3, 2008, at 9:35 PM, FlyboyTR wrote: > >> >> Bill, >> I don't have a Rotax in my plane...but feel free to visit the UL/ Camping >> area. Looks like it will be the Kitfox corner of the world! Hopefully >> we'll get to meet you! >> >> Travis >> :D > > > -- > Date: 4/1/2008 5:37 PM > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:22:05 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Bungee Gear Leg From: "Tom Jones" Cory, Thanks for posting the pictures of the collapsed gear leg. I see that the tube without a fairing attached is the one that failed. I was just wondering if epoxying a wood fairing on that front tube also would strengthen it. It shouldn't be too visible as long as the gear is covered. If you haven't found them yet here is a direct link to a service letter on thew gear legs. http://www.kitfoxaircraft.com/support/service_letters/sl48.htm -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174777#174777 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:32:00 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: 6" gear extension From: "LarryM" I finally got a chance to extend vertically my Grove gear by 6". I did so in order to have a better angle of attack for take off and landing, as the airplane would want to fly before the gear geometry would allow it to, similarly, the tail would always bang on before the wing was done flying. The change does make a difference. I can not tell you exactly how much, as it's been fairly windy, but, I can definitely get the nose up higher without hitting the tail. I do need to change my sight picture, as I have the tendency to hold the "old" angle so I don't slam the tail. I'm thinking that I can see (remembering that IAS is inaccurate at high angles of attach) about 5mph slower at touch down. Take off is also sooner, as the geometry will allow for lift off at slower speed. The mod was quite simple, I just bolted a 3/4" piece of aluminum block to the axle holes. The same brake lines could be used. larry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174781#174781 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/gear_extend_159.jpg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:47:38 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: cross winds concerns From: jlno7@aim.com Does anyone know the maximum crosswind that a beginning student pilot can safely fly when taking lessons in a Kitfox 1?? Is there a guideline or is it just judgment? Jerry Novak ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:50:42 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 6" gear extension From: "wingnut" Curious. The short field takeoff procedure that I was taught involved lots of forward stick to get the tail up as soon as possible. The idea being to minimize drag and maximize acceleration. I take it that you do it differently? Also, on my Kitfox the AOA on the ground is about the same as power off stall when flaps are deployed. Thus, I too would bang the tail with flaps up. However, with flaps deployed, it stalls right into a three point landing. I take it that your kitfox behaved differently? Any idea what might cause the difference? -------- Luis Rodriguez Model IV 1200 Rotax 912UL Flying Weekly Laurens, SC (34A) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174798#174798 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:04:38 AM PST US From: Sbennett3@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: 6" gear extension I was taught in a short field to 3 point take off, level off in ground effect to increase speed, then up and out. As far as landing, 3 pointing it is not my preferred landing. I like to main wheel land it as it gives me more control before the tail comes down. I don't land in short fields. Steve Bennett (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:06:36 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: cross winds concerns From: "n85ae" Probably 5 or less if you are a student. I tried 15-20 on a gusty day as a non-student and did a sweet 270 right in front of the airport restaraunt at lunch time a couple years ago. Groundlooping is not fun. Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174801#174801 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:24:10 AM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Kitfox-List: Florida Tax Law Clarification All, This link supposedly clarifies Florida's recent tax law ruckus: http://www.aopa.org/advocacy/articles/2008/080328fl.pdf Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:32:12 AM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: cross winds concerns At 08:44 AM 4/4/2008, you wrote: >Does anyone know the maximum crosswind that a beginning student >pilot can safely fly when taking lessons in a Kitfox 1? Is there a >guideline or is it just judgment? Personally I would start out with something very near 0. (We get that reliably before 8am.) I would then work up. The upper limit is defined by comfort. One technique I use regularly is to set up the landing while on final. This is called the "slip" landing technique. It lets you know, worst case, whether your plane will fly the attitude required to land: whether you have enough rudder authority; whether a wing or other hardware is too low; etc. You have to be careful because in a strong crosswind you will be in a very strong slip and will therefore have to watch that you keep the speed well above stall. Note that I said worst case. The wind on the ground is nearly always much less than that at altitude, which means you can sometimes get in even when it looks, on final, like you won't; just be ready to go around. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:11:26 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 6" gear extension From: "LarryM" I don't think that a single short field technique works on all airplanes. The Avid definitely takes off much shorter in a 3 point attitude. The nominal angle that the wing sat at was 10 degrees while in the 3 point. It now sits about 3 degrees higher. Bringing the tail up would reduce the angle of attach and therefore you would need more forward speed to develop the required to lift off. Ideally, a wing sitting in the 3 point should be at the stall angle of attack or higher so that you could bring the tail up. But, my experience in the Avid is that the take off run is the shortest with 3 point and full flaps. As far as landing, its the same thing in reverse. I don't know what the critical angle of attach officially is, but its more than 13 degrees. Try flying as slow as possible (at altitude). You will probably find full power nose way up 30+ degrees. Obviously, we can't safely land this way, but somewhere around there would be the slowest touchdown speed. Perhaps your tail is not effective enough to get the wing to the critical angle of attack without power, or even with power. I know mine wasn't. I did increase the tail surface and add VGs to the underside. I still have less effectiveness than I would like to see. Power on helps a lot to keep the air flowing over the elevator and is a noticeable difference. The wing wants to fly so much that to experience some of this, you have to get up early. That is while there is no wind or day time heating. The perfect clam of pre-dawn - I love it. Anyway, that's my 2 cents......... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174816#174816 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:06:06 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 6" gear extension From: "wingnut" > Bringing the tail up would reduce the angle of attach and therefore you would need more forward speed to develop the required to lift off That all makes sense but I thought that the idea of lifting the tail was to enable the airplane to get to takeoff speed faster. Takeoff speed still being defined as the a speed at which the airplane will fly outside of ground effect regardless of attitude. When you get to that speed, then you drop the tail. As I write this though, I think I see what I was missing. The point at which you can drop the tail and get in the air will be slower on your airplane because you can get the airplane closer to your critical AOA "with power on". which is much higher than the critical AOA with power off. I still wonder though, if you wouldn't get to that magic speed faster with the tail up. > As far as landing, its the same thing in reverse. I don't know what the critical angle of attach officially is, but its more than 13 degrees. Try flying as slow as possible (at altitude). You will probably find full power nose way up 30+ degrees. Obviously, we can't safely land this way, but somewhere around there would be the slowest touchdown speed. That's only true if you land at full throttle. As I said, my critical AOA with power off (which is the power setting I like to land with) is more or less right at the AOA she sits at on the ground. I know that I have enough elevator authority to get there because I've hit that point on many occasions a tad too high causing her to plop down. All that is to say that it sounds like your critical AOA is still higher than mine even with power off and flaps deployed. Are you using VGs? -------- Luis Rodriguez Model IV 1200 Rotax 912UL Flying Weekly Laurens, SC (34A) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174824#174824 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:21:51 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: cross winds concerns From: "wingnut" I asked my instructor the same thing when I was taking lessons in my Kitfox. His reply was that, lacking the rigorous testing that conventional airplanes go though to determine the safe cross wind component, a good rule of thumb is 20% of the stall speed. That's only 8mph in a Kitfox but keep in mind that this is only that component of the wind that is directly across the runway. So, if you have a wind that is crossing the runway at 30 degrees, then the cross wind component half the actual wind speed so 16mph is fine. Gusting is another issue. I'm personally not comfortable with gusts beyond +5. -------- Luis Rodriguez Model IV 1200 Rotax 912UL Flying Weekly Laurens, SC (34A) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174826#174826 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:33:06 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 6" gear extension From: "wingnut" > I was taught in a short field to 3 point take off, level off in ground effect to increase speed, then up and out. This is what I was taught for soft field procedures. As I was taught, for this situation you want to be producing as much lift as you can as early as possible. Consequently, you get off the ground before the airplane can fly safely outside of ground effect. This is why you have to level out and increase speed before you can safely exit ground effect. Is it possible that you got the two confused? -------- Luis Rodriguez Model IV 1200 Rotax 912UL Flying Weekly Laurens, SC (34A) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174829#174829 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:40:22 AM PST US From: Sbennett3@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: 6" gear extension Luis, My mistake... Short field, both brakes, full throttle... (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:42:25 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: cross winds concerns From: "n85ae" Kitfox with the flaperons can land in enormously high crosswinds. More so than most certficated planes. The issue is you can also get yourself into deep "stuff", by doing that too much. Since it makes you braver than you should. I have a really big grass glider field nearby and have practiced 20 kt. crosswind landings in the series 5 before. It is doable, but I would not recommend it on a paved narrow runway. Stay close to zero is the best advice. Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174830#174830 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:45:05 PM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: cross winds concerns > From: n85ae [n85ae@yahoo.com] > Kitfox with the flaperons can land in enormously high crosswinds. I agree that my model 3 flaperons give good roll control in gusty crosswind but the problem is to keep the plane from windvaning when the three wheels are on the ground. Cheers, Michel Norway Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:38:19 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: TCP I have seen the formula somewhere... Mineral oil, Stoddard Solvent and lard were in it...I'm not sure about additional ingredients. I think Dave Fisher may have the formula somewhere. It has been posted here before. Discussion on MMO is something akin to discussing the different colours of Scotch Brite. Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mnflyer Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 9:56 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: TCP PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 2:05 pm Post subject: TCP Considering MMO is mostly Stoddard solvent It may work as well on the upper cylinder... I doubt it will do the square root of sweet nothing to protect your main bearings from lead plating if you use 100LL. Noel So what proof can you offer that MMO is mostly Stoddard solvent? I,m curious have never seen it listed as part of the formula. -------- GB MNFlyer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174692#174692 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:04:29 PM PST US From: "John W. Hart" Subject: Kitfox-List: Need NSI Subaru Operating Limitations Is anyone using a NSI Subaru (118hp) that would be willing to email me a copy of their Engine Operating Limitations? I have the incorrect engine book for my engine. I'd appreciate it very much. Thanks, John Hart Kitfox Model IV NSI Subaru Engine Wilburton, OK ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:20:57 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: TCP Try this one: http://www.setonresourcecenter.com/msds/docs/wcd00043/wcd04377.htm They don't give the percentages but they do give 1,2 Di-chloro-benzene Mineral spirits ( Stoddard Solvent) NAPTHENIC HYDROCARBONS I have seen reference to lard mentioned many times.. Being organic it may not have to be listed. Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ronlee Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 12:00 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: TCP I have the same question. How do you know MMO is Stoddard solvent? Where did you find that information or is just a guess or hearsay? The mining companies use it by the 55 gallon barrels for many applications including all air tools. The military also uses barrels of the stuff. In view of this I wouldn't think it is Stoddard solvent. -------- Ron Lee Tucson, Arizona Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174719#174719 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:00:04 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: TCP From: "dave" MMO -- 1 % lard LOL MMO == snake oil or close to it . It is not the same as TCP. IT just a worthless additive. Some will argue that it a "gotta have " but the rest of us get thousands of hours >WITHOUT MMO -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174872#174872 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:05:02 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 6" gear extension From: "dave" look at my videos on youtube, and you will see what Larry it talking about. I raise my tail on start of roll and then after 75 feet I hammer the taildown and it takes a few feet before I get the wings flying. I have mentioned and asked this forum about lengthening the main gear before and not much talk on it. GladLarry finally got it done with favourabel results. I would like to make a new set of gear higher by 6 to 10 " and get the higher AOA to cut Take off roll further . Just watch this and tell me how yor compares http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itqyBYxU0lU -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174874#174874 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:09:36 PM PST US From: "fox5flyer" Subject: Kitfox-List: Need NSI Subaru Operating Limitations John, is yours the standard EA81 or the SHO version? Which book are you using? Let me know and perhaps I can help. Deke ----- Original Message ----- From: John W. Hart To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 4:57 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Need NSI Subaru Operating Limitations Is anyone using a NSI Subaru (118hp) that would be willing to email me a copy of their Engine Operating Limitations? I have the incorrect engine book for my engine. I'd appreciate it very much. Thanks, John Hart Kitfox Model IV NSI Subaru Engine Wilburton, OK ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:34:34 PM PST US From: "A Smith" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Need NSI Subaru Operating Limitations Do not archive Let me know if Deke can not help and I might be able to do it. I have the wrong ones for mine but they might be the right ones for you. Albert Smith MudLake, Id 5TD,NSIT,CAP ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 03:36:58 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 6" gear extension From: "wingnut" > look at my videos on youtube, and you will see what Larry it talking about. I raise my tail on start of roll and then after 75 feet I hammer the taildown and it takes a few feet before I get the wings flying. Lifting the tail at the beginning of the roll out is what I was trying to communicate. I understand now how being able to increase your AOA on the ground at the transition point is an advantage. But on the other hand, what's the advantage of dropping the tail before you reach takeoff speed? Wouldn't it work better if you wait until you actually reach take off speed and then drop the tail? -------- Luis Rodriguez Model IV 1200 Rotax 912UL Flying Weekly Laurens, SC (34A) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174882#174882 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 03:46:05 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 6" gear extension From: "wingnut" > Just watch this and tell me how yours compares http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itqyBYxU0lU Just took a look at the video. That's incredibly short. Looks like your tail comes up as soon as you start rolling. Takes my model 4 about 2 seconds to get the tail up and just under another 3 get get off the ground. Another thing I can't do is hold the plane back with full throttle. Brakes are too week. -------- Luis Rodriguez Model IV 1200 Rotax 912UL Flying Weekly Laurens, SC (34A) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174884#174884 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 03:51:38 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 6" gear extension From: "wingnut" By the way Dave, what model Kitfox is that? -------- Luis Rodriguez Model IV 1200 Rotax 912UL Flying Weekly Laurens, SC (34A) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174885#174885 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 04:17:00 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: TCP From: "Mnflyer" Well we are really getting somewhere now, we went from mostly Stoddard solvent to less than 25% (at least thats the thinking) then we get the claim of last resort "Its Snake Oil" that pretty much covers it when when ones an authority on things, I put it in the same context as 2 stroke engines are a grenade with the pin about 80% out. -------- GB MNFlyer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174886#174886 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 04:22:03 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 6" gear extension From: "dave" Kitfox IV , empty weight 570s Engine over 400 hours now ( 3rd engine) It's not just what you got , it is how you use it !! -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174888#174888 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 04:28:10 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: cross winds concerns From: "dave" I would keep X winds at 90 degrees to 5 knots or less. This is where you get to hone in your directional control skills. Once again look at my videos and look landing on one wheel or take offs on one wheel. You should be competent in being able to one wheel your airplane down the runway to show yourself and instructor that you have good yaw authority Some one wheel action here about 1 in 20 seconds into the movie http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=5j7aBw90n9U -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174891#174891 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 05:00:17 PM PST US From: "John W. Hart" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Need NSI Subaru Operating Limitations Deke, I don't know for sure which version it is. It is normally aspirated. The data plate on the aircraft lists the engine as 118 HP. The tach is redlined at 6200 rpm. The guy I bought it from told me it was the 118 HP version. The book I have lists RPM 5600 as max allowable engine speed, and max continuous engine speed as 5500. The engine uses the Ellison EFS-2 Throttle Body Injection instead of a carburetor. Are there any other ways to determine which version engine I have? The manual I have has on the lower margin of each page the number MA-EAE01-01. The engine model this book applies to is EA81-0981 Under the "Description of Design" in Section 2.0 John Hart Kitfox Model IV NSI Subaru Engine Wilburton, OK From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of fox5flyer Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 5:03 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Need NSI Subaru Operating Limitations John, is yours the standard EA81 or the SHO version? Which book are you using? Let me know and perhaps I can help. Deke ----- Original Message ----- From: John W. Hart Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 4:57 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Need NSI Subaru Operating Limitations Is anyone using a NSI Subaru (118hp) that would be willing to email me a copy of their Engine Operating Limitations? I have the incorrect engine book for my engine. I'd appreciate it very much. Thanks, John Hart Kitfox Model IV NSI Subaru Engine Wilburton, OK ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 05:19:28 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 6" gear extension From: "dave" What about Flapperon usage ? You want to get weight from wheels to wings , then flapperon deployment will certainly help you. -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174894#174894 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 05:53:07 PM PST US From: steve shinabery Subject: Kitfox-List: Great Lakes kitfox Fly-In Great Lakes Kitfox Fly -In, When?Sunday May 11th,at 12:00 noon.,Where?Lake Field Airport.[CQA] Celina Ohio.we are having a BBQ lunch,and after lunch.a BOMB Drop and SPOT Landing contest.And any pilot Flying there KITFOX in to the FLY-In.there BBQ lunch is FREE.and if you do not have a KITFOX fly in what ever you do have.All are welcome to the Fly-In.This will be a fun day with your KITFOX family.You can not miss us.just look at west central Ohio.look for the largest Lake in Ohio.and that would be Grand Lake St.Marys.we are at the south west corner of the lake.we all so have a Ohio State Float Plane Landing area on the north side of lake .But we do not have a way to get from lake to airport.with aircraft. CQA is home base for STEVE SHINABERY N554KF KF2 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 09:36:06 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? From: "wingnut" Taking a look at camping fees. If I understand it right aircraft camping is $100 between April 8 and April 13 even if you're only staying for one day. Is that the same for UL/LSA camping? -------- Luis Rodriguez Model IV 1200 Rotax 912UL Flying Weekly Laurens, SC (34A) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174919#174919 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kitfox-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.