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1. 02:13 AM - Re: CGS Prop blades Loose (dave)
2. 02:39 AM - Re: Short field take off : was 6" extension (dave)
3. 02:41 AM - Re: Short field take off : was 6" extension (dave)
4. 04:07 AM - Re: 6" gear extension (dave)
5. 04:08 AM - Re: Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? (Lynn Matteson)
6. 05:34 AM - Re: CGS Prop blades Loose (Pete Christensen)
7. 05:34 AM - Re: Re: TCP (Noel Loveys)
8. 05:41 AM - Re: Re: CGS Prop blades Loose (Pete Christensen)
9. 05:50 AM - Re: Re: TCP (Noel Loveys)
10. 05:52 AM - Re: Re: CGS Prop blades Loose (Pete Christensen)
11. 05:52 AM - Re: Re: Short field take off : was 6" extension (steve shinabery)
12. 06:11 AM - Re: Re: Bungee Gear Leg (Noel Loveys)
13. 06:24 AM - Re: Re: CGS Prop blades Loose (Noel Loveys)
14. 07:00 AM - Re: Re: 6" gear extension (Noel Loveys)
15. 07:13 AM - Re: CGS Prop blades Loose (Rexinator)
16. 07:24 AM - Re: Making Bungees (Tom Jones)
17. 07:44 AM - Re: CGS Prop blades Loose (Tom Jones)
18. 07:49 AM - Re: Making Bungees (fox5flyer)
19. 08:42 AM - Re: Re: CGS Prop blades Loose (Ted Palamarek)
20. 10:06 AM - Re: Re: CGS Prop blades Loose (Lynn Matteson)
21. 10:47 AM - Re: CGS Prop blades Loose (dave)
22. 10:53 AM - Re: CGS Prop blades Loose (dave)
23. 12:48 PM - Draining Wing Tanks (Pete Christensen)
24. 01:44 PM - Re: Draining Wing Tanks (RAY Gignac)
25. 02:57 PM - Re: Draining Wing Tanks (Rexinator)
26. 04:30 PM - Re: Re: CGS Prop blades Loose (Clint Bazzill)
27. 05:16 PM - Re: Re: CGS Prop blades Loose (John W. Hart)
28. 06:27 PM - Re: CGS Prop blades Loose (dave)
29. 06:28 PM - Re: Draining Wing Tanks (samscycles@juno.com)
30. 06:52 PM - Re: Draining Wing Tanks (Keith C.)
31. 06:55 PM - Re: Draining Wing Tanks (Keith C.)
32. 07:16 PM - Re: Draining Wing Tanks (dave)
33. 07:50 PM - Re: CGS Prop blades Loose (Noel Loveys)
34. 07:59 PM - Re: Re: CGS Prop blades Loose (Noel Loveys)
35. 08:30 PM - Re: Re: Making Bungees (Noel Loveys)
36. 09:01 PM - Re: Wanted Starting motor (AKFLYERBOB)
37. 09:51 PM - Re: GSC Prop blades (Rexinator)
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| Subject: | Re: CGS Prop blades Loose |
Pete,
I would consider your GSC blades to be "expired" . Also I would not use them
if the alum blocks at touching. This means that it has likely been over tightened
in the past. GSc makes a decent prop but once the root ends are compromised
you are facing a blade departure now without a moments notice.
I will say that the IVO does seem to perform better on a 912 than a GSC does.
ON a 582 I would say the differences are minimal. I sell props and if GSC has
blades in stock you can get shipped overnight. If not it might be a week or so.
IVO usually in stock. WARP is taking 8 to 12 weeks now. GSC replacment blades
are about 200$ each. I would change them all.
If you fly and loose a blade it will be costly and you could do alot of damage
. Your plane should be grounded until you can replace or borrow a prop.
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| Subject: | Re: Short field take off : was 6" extension |
Deke,
First off my Kitfox that is off in 100 feet or less will cruise at 92 mph with
the 21 " King fox tires. That is TAS not IAS. I have a WARP ground adjustable
on it now and those are the numbers. Plain and simple it works and works
well. Engine has 420 hours on it and never been apart yet. According to popular
belief that 2 stroke should have flown apart hundreds of hours ago. ? Heck
man on Amphib floats I cruise at 85 MPH with a stinking 582 --
PS if you Kitfox will get off the ground in 100 feet ?> I would like to see that
on Video, --See the difference between me and others is that is put my camera
where my mouth is.Some like it -- others do not . But At least I can verify
what I say with a video.
> Oops, I just reread my message and saw that I might have ruffled some
> feathers, especially "Rotax Dealer". If you're pitched to get off the
> ground in 100 feet, then you're pitched to cruise at 65 mph!
> Deke
>
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| Subject: | Re: Short field take off : was 6" extension |
Larry, Snaps just put together a 740 cc for his Avid, should be interesting this
summer . Paul has one of his short take off on voutube. Totally amazing.
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| Subject: | Re: 6" gear extension |
> I have yet to pull the flaps while on step... Usually around that time I'm
> too busy getting into the air without introducing another variable.
Noel, The KF 1,2 and 3 had less of flapperon effect being limited to around 15
degrees or so. The Model IV like mine will go past 30 degrees down although
some limit theirs to 20 degrees. I will use 30 Degree + ( full) for short,
soft and glassy water takeoffs. I will start with usually zero to 20 degree
ees and pull full flaps to break the suction. This is quite simular to a C 180
and used by many to get the weight from gear to wings as quickly as possible.
On Landing over 20 degrees has little or no effect in shortening landing
or reducing stall speed.
Best thing for anyone is to know their own limitations and their airplanes total
operating envelope. And to improve both are real "gotta- haves"
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| Subject: | Re: Sun-N-Fun 2008: What are your plans? |
At this point I'm waiting until I see that Florida is no longer
"green and red" (rain and severe thunderstorms)on the Weather
Channel. Another cell sitting out in the Gulf, too. Not too much fun
to fly to lower Georgia and sit and wait. And if I wait too long,
Michigan will turn "green". I see that Moblie, AL is pretty wet right
now, eh?
Look at the brochure for the event...no mention of EAA other than the
discounts for EAA members and Florida Air Museum Memberships, which
they push at every opportunity. Not even a link to the EAA in their
list of website links. From what I see and hear, the EAA has backed
out of the association, or SnF has dropped them.
Lynn
On Apr 5, 2008, at 9:47 PM, FlyboyTR wrote:
>
> I may be wrong about the SNF/EAA affiliation. I know that... way
> back when... SNF was EAA sponsored. Until two years ago, we had
> been away from airplanes for 8-9 years. A lot of things have changed.
>
> Lynn, what day are you planning on leaving, weather permitting?
>
> Travis :D
>
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| Subject: | Re: CGS Prop blades Loose |
I believe you are right about the dry. It sat in a wide truck box for a
couple years baking in Arizona heat. There are NO signs of over
tightening or crushing.
Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: ron schick
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 9:30 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: CGS Prop blades Loose
Pete The by the book crowd will insist the prop is junk and it may be.
I would think if it were overtightened to that degree there would be
material pressed into the parting line. I just wonder if maybe it's
dryer than a popcorn fart in Texas and Arizona. I'll bet after about
two days on the Oregon coast you would have your .020 gap at the parting
line. Raining like hell here so I'm probably just all wet. :) Ron NB
Ore KF IV, Avid A, C152
> From: apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.net
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: CGS Prop blades Loose
> Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 13:28:02 -0600
>
<apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.net>
>
> I just bought a Used Kitfox III in Arizona and yesterday flew it to
within
> 100 miles of El Paso before I ran out of daylight. This morning
while doing
> a walk around before the final leg home I found that the blades were
loose.
> The good Lord was looking after me as I flew it yesterday for 6
hours
> without a problem. One blade was so loose I turned it by hand. It
had an
> annual the day I bought the plane. I suspect it was loose when I
left AZ
> but I never checked as it was not on my checklist. It had been
stored in an
> enclosed storage container for probably a couple years.
>
> Is there a fix or is the prop trash?
>
> Pete
> Kitfox III N73BH
>
>
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Thanks Jim
I saved the URL for the next time someone asks for the ingredients.
Noel
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim_and_Lucy
Chuk
Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 11:35 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: TCP
Hi Noel, I posted another message right after that one that had the right
link on it. I'll try it again, otherwise google Marvel mystery oil FAA
and look at the topic NYCO2LA it was the ninth item down on the first page
when I checked. Here is the link again, hope it works
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id 020916X01610
<http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id 020916X01610&ntsbno=NYC02LA181&
akey=1> &ntsbno=NYC02LA181&akey=1
Jim Chuk Avids Mhn
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Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: TCP
I couldn't get the link to work but the percentages look familiar.
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim_and_Lucy
Chuk
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 1:52 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: TCP
Here is something I read a few years ago, it is an accident report on the
NSTB site that mentions MMO and in the 5th paragraph up from the bottom, it
says that MMO is mineral oil, stoddard solvent, and lard (75%, 24%, 1%) I
can't say for sure this is true, it is an official gov. document though, so
who knows. Hope this long link comes out okey. I found it again on the web
by searching Marvel mystery oil FAA and found it on the second page I
think. Jim Chuk Avids Mn
http://www.nstb.gov/nstb/brief2.asp?ev_id 020916X01610
<http://www.nstb.gov/nstb/brief2.asp?ev_id 020916X01610&nstbno=NYC0LA181&a
key=1> &nstbno=NYC0LA181&akey=1
if that isn't the right link, maybe this is (not sure if the 0 in NYCOLA
is a letter or #)
http://www.nstb.gov/nstb/brief2.asp?ev_id 020916X01610
<http://www.nstb.gov/nstb/brief2.asp?ev_id 020916X01610&nstbno=NYCOLA181&a
key=1> &nstbno=NYCOLA181&akey=1
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: TCP
> From: rlee468@comcast.net
> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 19:29:36 -0700
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>
>
> I have the same question. How do you know MMO is Stoddard solvent? Where
did you find that information or is just a guess or hearsay?
> The mining companies use it by the 55 gallon barrels for many applications
including all air tools. The military also uses barrels of the stuff. In
view of this I wouldn't think it is Stoddard solvent.
>
> --------
> Ron Lee
> Tucson, Arizona
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174719#174719
>
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| Subject: | Re: CGS Prop blades Loose |
Thanks Chuck, I will consider an IVO.
Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim_and_Lucy Chuk
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 9:29 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: CGS Prop blades Loose
Others may have other opinions, but it you need a different prop, go
with an IVO, it is the easiest to adjust of them all and performs quite
well. The nice thing about an adjustable prop, compared to a fixed
pitch prop is that if the fixed prop isn't right, you just spent a bunch
of money for nothing, or at least not really what you want. With the
adjustable, you set it where you want it. For instance, if you want to
fly a cross country, maybe you add a bit of pitch for better cruise
speed, but later, you are trying to get out of some short strips, you
can take out some pitch and have more of a climb prop. I now have a
Jabiru in my Avid, and really do miss being able to set the prop up the
way I want it like I could with the 582 before. Just my 2 cents worth,
Jim Chuk
> From: apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.net
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: CGS Prop blades Loose
> Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 20:09:05 -0600
>
<apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Thanks Tom,
>
> This plane has been through about 6 owners. Bound to be one of them
that
> over tightened the hub. I really don't like the complexity of the
ground
> adjustable. I would prefer fixed pitch. The instructions that came
with
> the prop leave allot to be desired and the GSC web site is even less
> helpful.
>
> Pete
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 7:44 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: CGS Prop blades Loose
>
>
<nahsikhs@elltel.net>
> >
> >
> > peteohms wrote:
> >> Tom,
> >> Well there was NO gap between hub halves and the bolts were
plenty tight.
> >> I
> >> took the prop apart and it looks brand new inside and out. I just
made
> >> some
> >> aluminum shims for the inside of both halves. They appear to
work. I do
> >> have the instructions. It seems like it would be easier to fly it
the 60
> >> or
> >> so miles than to try to find a trailer that will fit.
> >>
> >> Pete
> >> Kitfox III 912 N73BH
> >> ---
> >
> >
> > Pete, your prop situation is different than I have heard of. That
being
> > the bolts are tight, hub halves touching, and the blades still
loose. The
> > blade roots can be crushed and thus damaged if it has been
over-torqued in
> > the past.
> >
> > People have reported a blade slipping in flight due to over
torqueing,
> > which crushes the blade root and the hub halves touch. Being able
to turn
> > a blade by hand with the bolts tight indicates to me that either
the blade
> > root diameter is too small or the hub sockets too large. GSC keeps
a
> > record of blade serial numbers (I think) so may be able to shed
some light
> > on the issue for you. Probably won't be able to get ahold of
anyone there
> > until Monday though.
> >
> > --------
> > Tom Jones
> > Classic IV
> > 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
> > Ellensburg, WA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175020#175020
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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A few of things of interest to note from the NTSB crash report.
1. The MMO seems to be mixed at close to double the recommended
strength.
2. It didn't work... The whole top end was packed with soot. And the CR
were all below spec.
3. It was probably the poor condition of the engine that caused the loss
of power.
4. An investigation into the practices of the FBO should be conducted.
I'd love to know who passed the inspection on an engine with a 5/80 CR.
That didn't happen overnight.
The pilot was darn unlucky the plane even left the ground. Sounds like the
only thing working properly was the fuel selector valve.
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim_and_Lucy
Chuk
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 2:28 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: TCP
Those long links are hard to get right. If it doesn't work, google Marvel
mystery oil FAA and it will be on the first page, 9th item down titled
NYCO2LA I'll try the link again, left out a 2 last time
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id 020916X01610
<http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id 020916X01610&ntsbno=NYC02LA181&
akey=1> &ntsbno=NYC02LA181&akey=1
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From: thesupe@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: TCP
Here is something I read a few years ago, it is an accident report on the
NSTB site that mentions MMO and in the 5th paragraph up from the bottom, it
says that MMO is mineral oil, stoddard solvent, and lard (75%, 24%, 1%) I
can't say for sure this is true, it is an official gov. document though, so
who knows. Hope this long link comes out okey. I found it again on the web
by searching Marvel mystery oil FAA and found it on the second page I
think. Jim Chuk Avids Mn
http://www.nstb.gov/nstb/brief2.asp?ev_id 020916X01610
<http://www.nstb.gov/nstb/brief2.asp?ev_id 020916X01610&nstbno=NYC0LA181&a
key=1> &nstbno=NYC0LA181&akey=1
if that isn't the right link, maybe this is (not sure if the 0 in NYCOLA
is a letter or #)
http://www.nstb.gov/nstb/brief2.asp?ev_id 020916X01610
<http://www.nstb.gov/nstb/brief2.asp?ev_id 020916X01610&nstbno=NYCOLA181&a
key=1> &nstbno=NYCOLA181&akey=1
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: TCP
> From: rlee468@comcast.net
> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 19:29:36 -0700
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>
>
> I have the same question. How do you know MMO is Stoddard solvent? Where
did you find that information or is just a guess or hearsay?
> The mining companies use it by the 55 gallon barrels for many applications
including all air tools. The military also uses barrels of the stuff. In
view of this I wouldn't think it is Stoddard solvent.
>
> --------
> Ron Lee
> Tucson, Arizona
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174719#174719
>
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| Subject: | Re: CGS Prop blades Loose |
Robert
Will the IVO bolt on the same prop hub as the gsc?
Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Harris
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: CGS Prop blades Loose
I had a a three blad GSC prop on my Quad City challenger and it
slipped in the hub too. After readjusting it I could get it to stop
slipping but what an awful lot of work. The IVO prop is very easy to
aduust in comparison.
Robert
San Diego
Former II/582
V/0200 N200KF
----- Original Message ----
From: Pete Christensen <apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.net>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, April 5, 2008 7:09:05 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: CGS Prop blades Loose
<apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.net>
Thanks Tom,
This plane has been through about 6 owners. Bound to be one of them
that
over tightened the hub. I really don't like the complexity of the
ground
adjustable. I would prefer fixed pitch. The instructions that came
with
the prop leave allot to be desired and the GSC web site is even less
helpful.
Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 7:44 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: CGS Prop blades Loose
>
>
> peteohms wrote:
>> Tom,
>> Well there was NO gap between hub halves and the bolts were plenty
tight.
>> I
>> took the prop apart and it looks brand new inside and out. I just
made
>> some
>> aluminum shims for the inside of both halves. They appear to work.
I do
>> have the instructions. It seems like it would be easier to fly it
the 60
>> or
>> so miles than to try to find a trailer that will fit.
>>
>> Pete
>> Kitfox III 912 N73BH
>> ---
>
>
> Pete, your prop situation is different than I have heard of. That
being
> the bolts are tight, hub halves touching, and the blades still
loose. The
> blade roots can be crushed and thus damaged if it has been
over-torqued in
> the past.
>
> People have reported a blade slipping in flight due to over
torqueing,
> which crushes the blade root and the hub halves touch. Being able
to turn
> a blade by hand with the bolts tight indicates to me that either the
blade
> root diameter is too small or the hub sockets too large. GSC keeps
a
> record of blade serial numbers (I think) so may be able to shed some
light
> on the issue for you. Probably won't be able to get ahold of anyone
there
>
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| Subject: | Re: Short field take off : was 6" extension |
dave wrote:
>
> Deke,
>
> First off my Kitfox that is off in 100 feet or less will cruise at 92 mph
with the 21 " King fox tires. That is TAS not IAS. I have a WARP ground adjustable
on it now and those are the numbers. Plain and simple it works and works
well. Engine has 420 hours on it and never been apart yet. According to
popular belief that 2 stroke should have flown apart hundreds of hours ago. ?
Heck man on Amphib floats I cruise at 85 MPH with a stinking 582 --
>
> PS if you Kitfox will get off the ground in 100 feet ?> I would like to see
that on Video, --See the difference between me and others is that is put my
camera where my mouth is.Some like it -- others do not . But At least I can verify
what I say with a video.
>
>
>
>> Oops, I just reread my message and saw that I might have ruffled some
>> feathers, especially "Rotax Dealer". If you're pitched to get off the
>> ground in 100 feet, then you're pitched to cruise at 65 mph!
>> Deke
>>
>> ---
>>
>
>
> --------
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> Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
> http://www.cfisher.com/
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175045#175045
>
>
>
GOOD going DAVE,,may be they should see your Videos as I have...and they
would belive too.what the little 582 can do..DAVE keep up the good
work...STEVE SHINABERY N554KF KF2 with a nother little 582 rotax
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| Subject: | Re: Bungee Gear Leg |
I think I'd replace the whole gear leg. The cluster joints at the top
inside and the axel have been compromised and I wouldn't trust them. I
expect it would be easier to weld up another leg from scratch.
Did you hit anything in flight??? It looks like a bird strike without the
usual blood.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Jones
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 10:49 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Bungee Gear Leg
Cory,
Thanks for posting the pictures of the collapsed gear leg. I see that the
tube without a fairing attached is the one that failed. I was just
wondering if epoxying a wood fairing on that front tube also would
strengthen it. It shouldn't be too visible as long as the gear is covered.
If you haven't found them yet here is a direct link to a service letter on
thew gear legs.
http://www.kitfoxaircraft.com/support/service_letters/sl48.htm
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: CGS Prop blades Loose |
Dave
Didn't you have picture a blade departure on a float plane.. Maybe post it
so the guys can see what they are up against with a departure. Also show
them what may be required not to have an engine departure too.
Noel
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dave
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 6:40 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: CGS Prop blades Loose
Pete,
I would consider your GSC blades to be "expired" . Also I would not use
them if the alum blocks at touching. This means that it has likely been
over tightened in the past. GSc makes a decent prop but once the root ends
are compromised you are facing a blade departure now without a moments
notice.
I will say that the IVO does seem to perform better on a 912 than a GSC
does. ON a 582 I would say the differences are minimal. I sell props and if
GSC has blades in stock you can get shipped overnight. If not it might be a
week or so. IVO usually in stock. WARP is taking 8 to 12 weeks now. GSC
replacment blades are about 200$ each. I would change them all.
If you fly and loose a blade it will be costly and you could do alot of
damage . Your plane should be grounded until you can replace or borrow a
prop.
--------
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
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| Subject: | Re: 6" gear extension |
I haven't had any problem getting un-stuck since I swapped out the tach.
Before that getting off the water was ... shall I say interesting. I would
pop her off one float at a time and when it finally broke the second float
free it would be in a pretty nose high attitude and the acceleration was
quite noticible. I figured I was actually using around 45 HP.
Landing is a bit different. If I let the plane run out with a slightly nose
high attitude the run out is quite short. If however I pull full back on
the stick in the run out the plane starts reverse porpoiseing ( nose up to
nose level ) and I think actually takes longer to drop off step.
I doubt the new 912 will get me of the water any faster but I'm expecting to
improve my climb ability once airborne. As it is with the 582 there is
almost no step time between throttle and flight. It's some time now since I
had to roll it into the air.
Noel
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dave
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 8:34 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 6" gear extension
> I have yet to pull the flaps while on step... Usually around that time I'm
> too busy getting into the air without introducing another variable.
Noel, The KF 1,2 and 3 had less of flapperon effect being limited to
around 15 degrees or so. The Model IV like mine will go past 30 degrees
down although some limit theirs to 20 degrees. I will use 30 Degree + (
full) for short, soft and glassy water takeoffs. I will start with
usually zero to 20 degree ees and pull full flaps to break the suction.
This is quite simular to a C 180 and used by many to get the weight from
gear to wings as quickly as possible. On Landing over 20 degrees has
little or no effect in shortening landing or reducing stall speed.
Best thing for anyone is to know their own limitations and their airplanes
total operating envelope. And to improve both are real "gotta- haves"
--------
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| Subject: | Re: CGS Prop blades Loose |
I hope this only applies for props installed as I've got a set of new
GSC props in the box that are well over 5 years old. =-O
--
Rex Hefferan
SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs
Pete Christensen wrote:
> <apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.net>
>
> After doing a little research online, it turns out that the GSC props
> are only good for 5 years or 500 hours. This prop is 14 years old and
> has probably 400 hours on it.
>
> Pete
> Kitfox III N73BH
>
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| Subject: | Re: Making Bungees |
I couldn't find any instructions for making the bungee loops so started experimenting.
I tried using safety wire but after about half a day gave that up. It
was difficult to pull the wire snug and all my attempts looked like a mess.
I ended up using rib lacing cord. the wrap is about an inch long and each individual
wrap is secured with a square knot. So, if one knot lets go or lacing
cord gets cut somehow the whole wrap won't come off.
Picture attached any ideas to improve it or other constructive criticism.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: CGS Prop blades Loose |
Rex Hefferan wrote:
> I hope this only applies for props installed as I've got a set of new
> GSC props in the box that are well over 5 years old. =-O
>
> Rex Hefferan
> SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs
>
> Pete Christensen wrote:
>
> >
> > After doing a little research online, it turns out that the GSC props
> > are only good for 5 years or 500 hours. This prop is 14 years old and
> > has probably 400 hours on it.
> >
> > Pete
> > Kitfox III N73BH
> >
>
Rex, here's a direct link to the 5 or 500 service bulletin on GSC's web site. http://www.ultralightprops.com/bulletins/bulletins.htm
It kind of implies the bulletin was implemented due to planes being bought and
sold and the new owners having no way to be certain the prop bolts had never been
over torqued. But, it does kind of leave you hanging. If you want to throw
the prop away, I'll take it off your hands. Just kidding, probably should
give them a call and see if you get a straight answer.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Making Bungees |
Good job Tom. That'll work fine. Thanks for sharing with the group.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress."
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 10:21 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Making Bungees
>
> I couldn't find any instructions for making the bungee loops so started
> experimenting. I tried using safety wire but after about half a day gave
> that up. It was difficult to pull the wire snug and all my attempts
> looked like a mess.
>
> I ended up using rib lacing cord. the wrap is about an inch long and each
> individual wrap is secured with a square knot. So, if one knot lets go or
> lacing cord gets cut somehow the whole wrap won't come off.
>
> Picture attached any ideas to improve it or other constructive criticism.
>
> --------
> Tom Jones
> Classic IV
> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
> Ellensburg, WA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175068#175068
>
>
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>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CGS Prop blades Loose |
Noel
The blade that departed was on a float plane and was a composite blade not a
GSC and it happened to the fellow out of Montreal if I remember correctly.
It had something to do with the hub. His picture showed the departed blade
impaled into the front of the float. I think the fellows name is Gary and
his arcft was C-GOOT.
I think the above info is correct --- perhaps Gary could elaborate on this
as I am sure he is aware of the incident if it wasn't him.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Ted Palamarek
Edmonton
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Noel Loveys
Sent: April 6, 2008 7:21 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: CGS Prop blades Loose
Dave
Didn't you have picture a blade departure on a float plane.. Maybe post it
so the guys can see what they are up against with a departure. Also show
them what may be required not to have an engine departure too.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dave
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 6:40 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: CGS Prop blades Loose
Pete,
I would consider your GSC blades to be "expired" . Also I would not use
them if the alum blocks at touching. This means that it has likely been
over tightened in the past. GSc makes a decent prop but once the root ends
are compromised you are facing a blade departure now without a moments
notice.
I will say that the IVO does seem to perform better on a 912 than a GSC
does. ON a 582 I would say the differences are minimal. I sell props and if
GSC has blades in stock you can get shipped overnight. If not it might be a
week or so. IVO usually in stock. WARP is taking 8 to 12 weeks now. GSC
replacment blades are about 200$ each. I would change them all.
If you fly and loose a blade it will be costly and you could do alot of
damage . Your plane should be grounded until you can replace or borrow a
prop.
--------
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175044#175044
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| Subject: | Re: CGS Prop blades Loose |
This ain't Dave, but the guy who had that happen was Gary Walsh, if I
recall correctly.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/480+ hrs/down for annual
do not archive
On Apr 6, 2008, at 9:20 AM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
> Dave
>
> Didn't you have picture a blade departure on a float plane.. Maybe
> post it
> so the guys can see what they are up against with a departure.
> Also show
> them what may be required not to have an engine departure too.
>
> Noel
>
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| Subject: | Re: CGS Prop blades Loose |
> I believe you are right about the dry. It sat in a wide truck box for a couple
years baking in Arizona heat. There are NO signs of over tightening or crushing.
>
> Pete
Pete, You are wrong. You said the aluminum blocks are touching ?
IF you answered yes then it has been overtightened.
If anything the 2 year stint in the hot Bin did nothing to help it.
Prop is Old - get rid of it.
Dave
--------
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| Subject: | Re: CGS Prop blades Loose |
The prop in question was a NSI hub that failed. Gary is a good friend and close
neighbour. Lance Wheeler from NSI did nothing to help Gary if I recall correctly.
Lance Wheeler had a reputation of not being the most honest person to deal
with.
I had another prop near me depart a blade and yes it was a GSC wood prop. I have
also see other brands including IVO shed blades. I had a blade departure my
self once and you what results is a sonic like boom as your windshield blows
out and the engine gets torn from the mounts. I deadsticked with no damage into
a field. Put on trailer and took back to shop. This company unlike NSI replaced
all damaged equipment including a NEW engine and PROP. There are very credible
and we continue to sell their props.
I have at least 6 different props in stock now for demos for 582 tractors If anyone
wants to fly in and try one or spend a day trying different props that can
be arranged.
> Noel
>
> The blade that departed was on a float plane and was a composite blade not a
> GSC and it happened to the fellow out of Montreal if I remember correctly.
> It had something to do with the hub. His picture showed the departed blade
> impaled into the front of the float. I think the fellows name is Gary and
> his arcft was C-GOOT.
>
> I think the above info is correct --- perhaps Gary could elaborate on this
> as I am sure he is aware of the incident if it wasn't him.
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> Ted Palamarek
--------
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Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
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| Subject: | Draining Wing Tanks |
I need to tow my Kitfox III forward facing on a Uhaul Car trailer for
about 60 miles. How much fuel can I leave in the tanks? It has about
15+ gallons now.
Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: Noel Loveys
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 6:39 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: TCP
I couldn't get the link to work but the percentages look familiar.
Noel
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Jim_and_Lucy Chuk
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 1:52 AM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: TCP
Here is something I read a few years ago, it is an accident report on
the NSTB site that mentions MMO and in the 5th paragraph up from the
bottom, it says that MMO is mineral oil, stoddard solvent, and lard
(75%, 24%, 1%) I can't say for sure this is true, it is an official
gov. document though, so who knows. Hope this long link comes out okey.
I found it again on the web by searching Marvel mystery oil FAA and
found it on the second page I think. Jim Chuk Avids Mn
http://www.nstb.gov/nstb/brief2.asp?ev_id 020916X01610&nstbno=NYC0L
A181&akey=1
if that isn't the right link, maybe this is (not sure if the 0 in
NYCOLA is a letter or #)
http://www.nstb.gov/nstb/brief2.asp?ev_id 020916X01610&nstbno=NYCOL
A181&akey=1
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: TCP
> From: rlee468@comcast.net
> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 19:29:36 -0700
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>
>
> I have the same question. How do you know MMO is Stoddard solvent?
Where did you find that information or is just a guess or hearsay?
> The mining companies use it by the 55 gallon barrels for many
applications including all air tools. The military also uses barrels of
the stuff. In view of this I wouldn't think it is Stoddard solvent.
>
> --------
> Ron Lee
> Tucson, Arizona
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Draining Wing Tanks |
Pete a few gal's in each tank is ok, what you want to watch for is stress o
n the wings when folded and towing! The other thing is you don't want fuel
leaking from your tanks when folded. Make sure you support the front spar
with an attachment from the spar to the float attachment point.
Ray
From: apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.netTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject:
Kitfox-List: Draining Wing TanksDate: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 13:45:52 -0600
I need to tow my Kitfox III forward facing on a Uhaul Car trailer for about
60 miles. How much fuel can I leave in the tanks? It has about 15+ gallo
ns now.
Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: Noel Loveys
Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 6:39 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: TCP
I couldn=92t get the link to work but the percentages look familiar.
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-serv
er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim_and_Lucy ChukSent: Friday, April 04, 200
8 1:52 AMTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: TCP
Here is something I read a few years ago, it is an accident report on the N
STB site that mentions MMO and in the 5th paragraph up from the bottom, it
says that MMO is mineral oil, stoddard solvent, and lard (75%, 24%, 1%) I
can't say for sure this is true, it is an official gov. document though, s
o who knows. Hope this long link comes out okey. I found it again on the
web by searching Marvel mystery oil FAA and found it on the second page I
think. Jim Chuk Avids Mn http://www.nstb.gov/nstb/brief2.asp?ev_id 0
20916X01610&nstbno=NYC0LA181&akey=1 if that isn't the right link, may
be this is (not sure if the 0 in NYCOLA is a letter or #)http://www.nstb.g
ov/nstb/brief2.asp?ev_id 020916X01610&nstbno=NYCOLA181&akey=1> Subj
ect: Kitfox-List: Re: TCP> From: rlee468@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008
19:29:36 -0700> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> > --> Kitfox-List message p
osted by: "ronlee" <rlee468@comcast.net>> > I have the same question. How d
o you know MMO is Stoddard solvent? Where did you find that information or
is just a guess or hearsay?> The mining companies use it by the 55 gallon b
arrels for many applications including all air tools. The military also use
s barrels of the stuff. In view of this I wouldn't think it is Stoddard sol
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| Subject: | Re: Draining Wing Tanks |
Pete,
I'm sure you are thinking about the stresses that bumps in the road and
fuel weight on folded wings can have. It might be enlightening to take
note of the effort it takes to lift the tail before and after folding
the wings. The extra weight on the tail wheel spring could effect extra
stresses too. There's been failures of the tail spring mentioned on this
list just from normal use.
Car trailers are going to have stiff suspensions with a light load such
as a small airplane. Since you will have your Kitfox facing forward and
the tail probably down the wings can catch a lot of lift from whatever
forward speed plus headwind you may decide to travel. Just take it slow
and easy.
--
Rex Hefferan
SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs
RAY Gignac wrote:
> Pete a few gal's in each tank is ok, what you want to watch for is
> stress on the wings when folded and towing! The other thing is you
> don't want fuel leaking from your tanks when folded. Make sure you
> support the front spar with an attachment from the spar to the float
> attachment point.
>
> Ray
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> From: apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.net
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Draining Wing Tanks
> Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 13:45:52 -0600
>
> I need to tow my Kitfox III forward facing on a Uhaul Car trailer
> for about 60 miles. How much fuel can I leave in the tanks? It
> has about 15+ gallons now.
>
> Pete
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CGS Prop blades Loose |
If you claim that an IVO prop had a failure, please supply list with that i
nformation. I think you are wrong about that and give people bad impressio
ns. Clint> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: CGS Prop blades Loose> From: dave@cfi
sher.com> Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 10:51:09 -0700> To: kitfox-list@matronics.c
rop in question was a NSI hub that failed. Gary is a good friend and close
neighbour. Lance Wheeler from NSI did nothing to help Gary if I recall corr
ectly. Lance Wheeler had a reputation of not being the most honest person t
o deal with. > > I had another prop near me depart a blade and yes it was a
GSC wood prop. I have also see other brands including IVO shed blades. I h
ad a blade departure my self once and you what results is a sonic like boom
as your windshield blows out and the engine gets torn from the mounts. I d
eadsticked with no damage into a field. Put on trailer and took back to sho
p. This company unlike NSI replaced all damaged equipment including a NEW e
ngine and PROP. There are very credible and we continue to sell their props
. > > I have at least 6 different props in stock now for demos for 582 trac
tors If anyone wants to fly in and try one or spend a day trying different
props that can be arranged. > > > > > Noel > > > > The blade that departed
was on a float plane and was a composite blade not a > > GSC and it happene
d to the fellow out of Montreal if I remember correctly. > > It had somethi
ng to do with the hub. His picture showed the departed blade > > impaled in
to the front of the float. I think the fellows name is Gary and > > his arc
ft was C-GOOT. > > > > I think the above info is correct --- perhaps Gary c
ould elaborate on this > > as I am sure he is aware of the incident if it w
asn't him. > > > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > > Ted Palamarek > > > --------> Rot
ax Dealer, Ontario Canada> Flying Videos and Kitfox Info> http://www.cfishe
r.com/> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: CGS Prop blades Loose |
Google comes up with a whole bunch of IVO prop failures.
John Hart
Kitfox IV
Wilburton, OK
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clint Bazzill
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 6:28 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: CGS Prop blades Loose
If you claim that an IVO prop had a failure, please supply list with that
information. I think you are wrong about that and give people bad
impressions. Clint
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: CGS Prop blades Loose
> From: dave@cfisher.com
> Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 10:51:09 -0700
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>
>
> The prop in question was a NSI hub that failed. Gary is a good friend and
close neighbour. Lance Wheeler from NSI did nothing to help Gary if I recall
correctly. Lance Wheeler had a reputation of not being the most honest
person to deal with.
>
> I had another prop near me depart a blade and yes it was a GSC wood prop.
I have also see other brands including IVO shed blades. I had a blade
departure my self once and you what results is a sonic like boom as your
windshield blows out and the engine gets torn from the mounts. I deadsticked
with no damage into a field. Put on trailer and took back to shop. This
company unlike NSI replaced all damaged equipment including a NEW engine and
PROP. There are very credible and we continue to sell their props.
>
> I have at least 6 different props in stock now for demos for 582 tractors
If anyone wants to fly in and try one or spend a day trying different props
that can be arranged.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CGS Prop blades Loose |
Clint , like others said lots on google as well.
Here is one of my own pics
Sounds like you never herad of a IVO failure >? Like i said all props die from
time to time
--------
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Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Draining Wing Tanks |
I believe it would be safer to drain most of the fuel. It would be safe
r and you would have more piece of mind,
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| Subject: | Re: Draining Wing Tanks |
Pete,
I just towed mine 1700mi same situation. It was suggested I drain to
5gal. or less in ea. wing. We made it without major mishap.
Keith C.
Mod IV 912
Mather (MHR) CA
----- Original Message -----
From: Pete Christensen
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 12:45 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Draining Wing Tanks
I need to tow my Kitfox III forward facing on a Uhaul Car trailer for
about 60 miles. How much fuel can I leave in the tanks? It has about
15+ gallons now.
Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: Noel Loveys
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 6:39 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: TCP
I couldn't get the link to work but the percentages look familiar.
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Jim_and_Lucy Chuk
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 1:52 AM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: TCP
Here is something I read a few years ago, it is an accident report
on the NSTB site that mentions MMO and in the 5th paragraph up from the
bottom, it says that MMO is mineral oil, stoddard solvent, and lard
(75%, 24%, 1%) I can't say for sure this is true, it is an official
gov. document though, so who knows. Hope this long link comes out okey.
I found it again on the web by searching Marvel mystery oil FAA and
found it on the second page I think. Jim Chuk Avids Mn
http://www.nstb.gov/nstb/brief2.asp?ev_id 020916X01610&nstbno=NYC0L
A181&akey=1
if that isn't the right link, maybe this is (not sure if the 0 in
NYCOLA is a letter or #)
http://www.nstb.gov/nstb/brief2.asp?ev_id 020916X01610&nstbno=NYCOL
A181&akey=1
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: TCP
> From: rlee468@comcast.net
> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 19:29:36 -0700
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>
>
> I have the same question. How do you know MMO is Stoddard solvent?
Where did you find that information or is just a guess or hearsay?
> The mining companies use it by the 55 gallon barrels for many
applications including all air tools. The military also uses barrels of
the stuff. In view of this I wouldn't think it is Stoddard solvent.
>
> --------
> Ron Lee
> Tucson, Arizona
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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| Subject: | Re: Draining Wing Tanks |
Pete,
Long day, I misread, mine was tail forward on a trailer made for it.
Still the weight on the tail from the wings is much more. Less is
better.
Keith C.
Mod IV 912
Mather (MHR) CA
----- Original Message -----
From: Pete Christensen
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 12:45 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Draining Wing Tanks
I need to tow my Kitfox III forward facing on a Uhaul Car trailer for
about 60 miles. How much fuel can I leave in the tanks? It has about
15+ gallons now.
Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: Noel Loveys
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 6:39 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: TCP
I couldn't get the link to work but the percentages look familiar.
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Jim_and_Lucy Chuk
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 1:52 AM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: TCP
Here is something I read a few years ago, it is an accident report
on the NSTB site that mentions MMO and in the 5th paragraph up from the
bottom, it says that MMO is mineral oil, stoddard solvent, and lard
(75%, 24%, 1%) I can't say for sure this is true, it is an official
gov. document though, so who knows. Hope this long link comes out okey.
I found it again on the web by searching Marvel mystery oil FAA and
found it on the second page I think. Jim Chuk Avids Mn
http://www.nstb.gov/nstb/brief2.asp?ev_id 020916X01610&nstbno=NYC0L
A181&akey=1
if that isn't the right link, maybe this is (not sure if the 0 in
NYCOLA is a letter or #)
http://www.nstb.gov/nstb/brief2.asp?ev_id 020916X01610&nstbno=NYCOL
A181&akey=1
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: TCP
> From: rlee468@comcast.net
> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 19:29:36 -0700
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>
>
> I have the same question. How do you know MMO is Stoddard solvent?
Where did you find that information or is just a guess or hearsay?
> The mining companies use it by the 55 gallon barrels for many
applications including all air tools. The military also uses barrels of
the stuff. In view of this I wouldn't think it is Stoddard solvent.
>
> --------
> Ron Lee
> Tucson, Arizona
>
>
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Draining Wing Tanks |
Pete, I would drain fuel or a good part of it (all but a few gallons in each at
most )
secondly and VERY important . use wing root braces to support the forward spar
tube as it will likely be very hard on the epoxy joints on rear spar. If you
don't then damage could and likely will occur -- fuel or no fuel.
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| Subject: | CGS Prop blades Loose |
New... Over five years old??? GSC has a TBO on the blades something like
five years or 500 Hr....Whichever first.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rexinator
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CGS Prop blades Loose
I hope this only applies for props installed as I've got a set of new
GSC props in the box that are well over 5 years old. =-O
--
Rex Hefferan
SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs
Pete Christensen wrote:
> <apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.net>
>
> After doing a little research online, it turns out that the GSC props
> are only good for 5 years or 500 hours. This prop is 14 years old and
> has probably 400 hours on it.
>
> Pete
> Kitfox III N73BH
>
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| Subject: | Re: CGS Prop blades Loose |
The very first Ivo I saw had issues... Since that time I have used an Ivo
myself with excellent results. The issue with the first prop I think was
caused by not using an accurately calibrated torque wrench.
All composites, whether in a prop or the cowl of a jetliner require special
handling and react a lot differently than wood or metal. So much for the
obvious!
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dave
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 10:54 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: CGS Prop blades Loose
Clint , like others said lots on google as well.
Here is one of my own pics
Sounds like you never herad of a IVO failure >? Like i said all props die
from time to time
--------
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175151#175151
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| Subject: | Re: Making Bungees |
The bungees that came with my plane had nico press fittings on the bungees.
Needless to say getting the bulky nico press fittings through the acess
holes in the bottom of the plane is not fun.
When I was a kid my grandfather showed me how to splice rope under and over
and by whipping the ends. Instead of tying a square knot after each winding
he would have used double threads and would have used a half hitch every
third or fourth winding. The result would be a much tighter whipping. When
the job was finished he may have used a lacquer finish on the whipping like
they do on good fly rods. The area of the whipping shouldn't be the area to
stretch.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of fox5flyer
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 12:14 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Making Bungees
Good job Tom. That'll work fine. Thanks for sharing with the group.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress."
- Joseph Joubert
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 10:21 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Making Bungees
>
> I couldn't find any instructions for making the bungee loops so started
> experimenting. I tried using safety wire but after about half a day gave
> that up. It was difficult to pull the wire snug and all my attempts
> looked like a mess.
>
> I ended up using rib lacing cord. the wrap is about an inch long and each
> individual wrap is secured with a square knot. So, if one knot lets go or
> lacing cord gets cut somehow the whole wrap won't come off.
>
> Picture attached any ideas to improve it or other constructive criticism.
>
> --------
> Tom Jones
> Classic IV
> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
> Ellensburg, WA
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wanted Starting motor |
I purchased on of these starters to check it out
and Dave is correct, the rotation is opposite.
The bendix is also different.
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| Subject: | Re: GSC Prop blades |
Yes, I read that and have sent an email to GSC asking about the
replacement blades which came with the airplane I bought to repair. I
suspect the TBO is meant to apply to blades installed in a hub. I will
let the list know what they say.
--
Rex Hefferan
SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs
Noel Loveys wrote:
>
>New... Over five years old??? GSC has a TBO on the blades something like
>five years or 500 Hr....Whichever first.
>
>Noel
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rexinator
>Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 11:40 AM
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CGS Prop blades Loose
>
>
>I hope this only applies for props installed as I've got a set of new
>GSC props in the box that are well over 5 years old. =-O
>
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