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1. 05:15 AM - Re: Draining Wing Tanks (Lynn Matteson)
2. 05:43 AM - Re: Draining Wing Tanks (Keith C.)
3. 07:39 AM - Re: Draining Wing Tanks (patrick reilly)
4. 07:50 AM - Small Side window? (Pete Christensen)
5. 08:45 AM - Re: Re: Making Bungees (Pete Christensen)
6. 10:13 AM - Re: Re: CGS Prop blades Loose (Clint Bazzill)
7. 10:49 AM - Re: Small Side window? (Tom Jones)
8. 11:34 AM - mk 3 cowling needed (JOHN BOOTH)
9. 12:20 PM - Re: GSC Prop blades (Noel Loveys)
10. 12:29 PM - Re: Draining Wing Tanks (Noel Loveys)
11. 01:12 PM - Re: mk 3 cowling needed (dave)
12. 01:39 PM - Re: Small Side window? (W Duke)
13. 01:59 PM - Re: Small Side window? (Noel Loveys)
14. 02:31 PM - Re: CGS Prop blades Loose (dave)
15. 02:39 PM - Re: Making Bungees (FlyboyTR)
16. 02:56 PM - Any model 5-7's in upstate NY? (dholly)
17. 03:03 PM - Re: Draining Wing Tanks (Lynn Matteson)
18. 03:31 PM - Re: Small Side window? (Lynn Matteson)
19. 03:50 PM - Re: GSC Prop blades (steve shinabery)
20. 04:48 PM - Re: Small Side window? (SOURDOSTAN@aol.com)
21. 05:08 PM - Re: Small Side window? (Pete Christensen)
22. 06:06 PM - Re: Small Side window? (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
23. 07:40 PM - Re: Re: CGS Prop blades Loose (Robert Harris)
24. 07:44 PM - I agree with Steve's comments on IVORe: GSC Prop blades (Robert Harris)
25. 08:00 PM - I like Dave's Kitfox w 582 Re: Re: Short field take off : was 6" extension (Robert Harris)
26. 08:07 PM - Engine Hanging by a few cables.Re: Re: CGS Prop blades Loose (my blade departure) (Robert Harris)
27. 08:25 PM - Pic of Broken IVO Re: Re: CGS Prop blades Loose (Robert Harris)
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| Subject: | Re: Draining Wing Tanks |
I see what you're saying, Pat, but in use they work just fine. At
least the ones I built work fine, but I have the shorter wing...less
moment to deal with...and made sure to have no fuel on board when I
trailered mine for the approx. 60 miles that I actually used them. I
loaned Keith mine for his 1700-mile trip and he reports that they
worked great. Now I got the preface this with a disclaimer....I built
mine with approx 1/8" wall thickness steel tubing, not the electrical
tubing that I read someone was using, with a bent end for attachment.
I think the real trick is to get the fuel out, and stay off really
rough roads.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/487+ hrs/down for annual
On Apr 7, 2008, at 4:14 PM, patrick reilly wrote:
> Lynn, I saw a Kitfox with tubular braces from the bracket that the
> wing struts, and I guess the float gear attach to, to the leading
> edge spar as you mention. It just doesn't look like that would
> support the wing enough. It looks like the weight of the wing
> bouncing in transit would use those support points that are close
> to the inner end of the wing to act as a pivot point applying large
> torque force at the rear wing attach pin.
> do not archive
>
> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
> Rockford, IL
>
> > From: lynnmatt@jps.net
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Draining Wing Tanks
> > Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 14:11:03 -0400
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >
> >
> > With the wings swung back, most of the weight is still carried by
> the
> > lift struts, but you still have to support the outer portion of the
> > wing with wing braces that go from the front spar attachment
> point to
> > the float bracket just in front of the strut attachment point. The
> > wings are held from swinging outward by a couple of braces that go
> > from a point near the rear strut-to-wing attachment to a tab
> sticking
> > out from the fuselage near the horizontal stab.
> >
> > A recent poster (Keith C.) just completed a 1700 mile trip using
> this
> > method, with no problems. John McBean probably sells everything
> needed.
> >
> > Lynn Matteson
> > Grass Lake, Michigan
> > Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
> > flying w/487+ hrs/down for annual
> >
> >
> > On Apr 7, 2008, at 11:12 AM, patrick reilly wrote:
> >
> > > Dick, How do you support the wingtips. You can't leave all of the
> > > weight on the rear wing attachment pins with the leverage of a 14'
> > > long wing. The bouncing of the wing, even without gas, would bend
> > > or break something I am sure.
> > >
> > >
> > > Pat Reilly
> > > Mod 3 582 Rebuild>
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: Draining Wing Tanks |
Lynn and All,
Interstate 5 in Calif. was no picnic, rough wise, and everything still seems
OK. The braces I had made are from square steel tubing? They are patterned
after Lynn's and I like the security of them being that solid. If you
notice the little bit of lift needed to replace the wing and pin it, that
weight needs to be supported by the brace while bouncing along the road. I
now would not move it without the braces in place.
Keith C.
Mod IV 912
Mather (MHR) CA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 5:11 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Draining Wing Tanks
>
> I see what you're saying, Pat, but in use they work just fine. At least
> the ones I built work fine, but I have the shorter wing...less moment to
> deal with...and made sure to have no fuel on board when I trailered mine
> for the approx. 60 miles that I actually used them. I loaned Keith mine
> for his 1700-mile trip and he reports that they worked great. Now I got
> the preface this with a disclaimer....I built mine with approx 1/8" wall
> thickness steel tubing, not the electrical tubing that I read someone was
> using, with a bent end for attachment.
> I think the real trick is to get the fuel out, and stay off really rough
> roads.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Grass Lake, Michigan
> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
> flying w/487+ hrs/down for annual
>
>
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| Subject: | Draining Wing Tanks |
Lynn, Thanks for the heavy wall tubing recommendation. I will use heavier t
ubing than I planned. And, yes no fuel in the tanks. I can't figure out the
questions about "How much fuel should I drain before transporting with win
gs folded?" ......Simple ALL OF IT!!!
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 RebuildRockford, IL> From: lynnmatt@jps.net> Subject: Re: Kitfox-
List: Draining Wing Tanks> Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 08:11:53 -0400> To: kitfox
nnmatt@jps.net>> > I see what you're saying, Pat, but in use they work just
fine. At > least the ones I built work fine, but I have the shorter wing..
.less > moment to deal with...and made sure to have no fuel on board when I
> trailered mine for the approx. 60 miles that I actually used them. I > l
oaned Keith mine for his 1700-mile trip and he reports that they > worked g
reat. Now I got the preface this with a disclaimer....I built > mine with a
pprox 1/8" wall thickness steel tubing, not the electrical > tubing that I
read someone was using, with a bent end for attachment.> I think the real t
rick is to get the fuel out, and stay off really > rough roads.> > Lynn Mat
teson> Grass Lake, Michigan> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200> flying w/48
7+ hrs/down for annual> > > On Apr 7, 2008, at 4:14 PM, patrick reilly wrot
e:> > > Lynn, I saw a Kitfox with tubular braces from the bracket that the
> > wing struts, and I guess the float gear attach to, to the leading > > e
dge spar as you mention. It just doesn't look like that would > > support t
he wing enough. It looks like the weight of the wing > > bouncing in transi
t would use those support points that are close > > to the inner end of the
wing to act as a pivot point applying large > > torque force at the rear w
ing attach pin.> > do not archive> >> > Pat Reilly> > Mod 3 582 Rebuild> >
Rockford, IL> >> > > From: lynnmatt@jps.net> > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:
Draining Wing Tanks> > > Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 14:11:03 -0400> > > To: kitf
teson <lynnmatt@jps.net>> > >> > > With the wings swung back, most of the w
eight is still carried by > > the> > > lift struts, but you still have to s
upport the outer portion of the> > > wing with wing braces that go from the
front spar attachment > > point to> > > the float bracket just in front of
the strut attachment point. The> > > wings are held from swinging outward
by a couple of braces that go> > > from a point near the rear strut-to-wing
attachment to a tab > > sticking> > > out from the fuselage near the horiz
ontal stab.> > >> > > A recent poster (Keith C.) just completed a 1700 mile
trip using > > this> > > method, with no problems. John McBean probably se
lls everything > > needed.> > >> > > Lynn Matteson> > > Grass Lake, Michiga
n> > > Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200> > > flying w/487+ hrs/down for an
nual> > >> > >> > > On Apr 7, 2008, at 11:12 AM, patrick reilly wrote:> > >
> > > > Dick, How do you support the wingtips. You can't leave all of the>
> > > weight on the rear wing attachment pins with the leverage of a 14'> >
> > long wing. The bouncing of the wing, even without gas, would bend> > >
> or break something I am sure.> > > >> > > >> > > > Pat Reilly> > > > Mod
3 582 Rebuild>> > >> > >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-L
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| Subject: | Small Side window? |
The small side window on my Kitfox III partly came loose. What kind of
glue should I use to re-attach?
Pete
Kitfox III N73BH
Hell Paso, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Making Bungees |
I have a new (age unknown?) bungee that I would be happy to donate to
someone.
Pete
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| Subject: | Re: CGS Prop blades Loose |
I haven't got all the information together yet on the VG's. I have seen IV
O props with part of the prop missing from something going through it on a
pusher. I have seen props stricking ground, and being beat up pretty badly
, but not a blade leaving a 912. Clint> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: CGS Prop
blades Loose> From: dave@cfisher.com> Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 18:13:22 -0700
" <dave@cfisher.com>> > Clint, > > > Correct me if I am wrong but there was
a guy on this forum in hte last 6 months that had a GSC fail or come loose
or something like totally depart his Kitfox with a 912. Surely it will be
in the archives. > > CLint , also -- did I miss your report on VGs ? > > Da
ve > > > > clint_bazzill(at)hotmail.> > Guest> > > > > > > > > > > > Posted
: Mon Apr 07, 2008 8:45 pm Post subject: CGS Prop blades Loose > > > > ----
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-> > > > Never heard of one leaving a 912 Clint > > > > > --------> Rotax D
ealer, Ontario Canada> Flying Videos and Kitfox Info> http://www.cfisher.co
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| Subject: | Re: Small Side window? |
[quote="peteohms"]The small side window on my Kitfox III partly came loose. What
kind of glue should I use to re-attach?
Pete
Kitfox III N73BH
Hell Paso, TX
> [b]
Pete, the instructions say Poly-Tak. be ready when you brush it on. You have
about 15 or 20 seconds to get the fabric in place before the Poly-tak sets up.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | mk 3 cowling needed |
hi there, does anyone have a spare mk 3 kitfox front cowling lying about
for sale, i'm in the UK, thanks, John Booth (G-LOST)
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Steve:
I replaced it with an Ivo IFA for two reasons.
1 the Ivo is very light. The UL - IFA with the hub and all is much lighter
than the GSC
2. I wasn't getting the power out of the GSC I thought I should have been
getting... I was right. Not because of a problem with the prop but a
problem with the tachometer. My tach was reading 20-% high across the whole
envelope. That means at idle I was only turning around 1800 rpm... Read
shook like a S.O.B. and at full throttle (6800 rpm on floats) I was actually
only getting 5400 rpm. I don't think the prop, fifteen years old could have
taken the full 6800 rpm.
With all composite props I still advise getting your torque wrench
calibrated. I calibrated mine with twenty pounds of weight slung exactly
ten inches horizontally from the centre of the stud (200lb. in.) slinging at
12' gave me the calibration for 240 lb. in.. I then just noted my
calibration points. In my case both calibration points were exactly minus
13 lb. in. So to set my wrench for 200 lb. in. Calibrated I set it for 187
lb.in.. If I had to torque to 100 lb. in. I would just do another
calibration.
Just a note for Canadian certified aircraft owners the above method of
calibration is not a certified method... as practical as it is.
When I got the Ivo first I noticed that there were no holes in the heads of
the bolts. I figured this was a mistake on the behalf of Ivo so I called
them to check why no lockwire holes. I was told the intentionally don't
lock wire their props because they want you to check the torque on a regular
basis and some people don't like to cut lock wire. Being a well trained
Canadian AME (Aircraft Maintenance Engineer) I do as I'm told and didn't use
drilled bolts for the hub.
My experience with the Ivo is it is a very smooth prop and very light too.
I never got around to setting the pitch stops and to be honest I think it's
better to be able to run a bit further than normally used to keep additional
load off the small planetary gears that operate the hub. I also noticed
although it was the same length as my GSC it doesn't pick up spray the same
way. With the GSC I was always filling pits in the leading edges of the
blades... The Ivo hasn't had that need.
There are some people out there who don't like the flexibility of the Ivo.
I think its flexibility is part of the reason it is so smooth.
Sigtaturea
Noel Loveys
Campbellton, NL, Canada
CDN AME intern, PP-Rec
C-FINB, Kitfox III-A
582 B box, Ivo IFA, Aerocet 1100 floats
noelloveys@yahoo.ca
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of steve shinabery
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: GSC Prop blades
Noel,,what kind of prop did you replace your GSC with.I all so may look
in to replacement of prop..Thanks Steve Shinabery N554KF KF2 little 582
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| Subject: | Draining Wing Tanks |
I'm not Dick but...
The wings are supported by the wing struts not by the rear attachment pins.
Those pins are only to keep the wings folded. Personally I don't trust them
so before I tow my plane I tie the Flaperons together with a small bungee.
I also put a protective cover over the flaperons in the area of the vertical
stab/rudder to protect the vertical stab from being rubbed by the flaperons.
I remove as much gas from the wings as possible before towing.
Because I don't have a support for the leading edge that I can use while on
floats I tow very slowly..... VERY slowly and only two miles from here to
the pond.
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of patrick reilly
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 12:42 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Draining Wing Tanks
Dick, How do you support the wingtips. You can't leave all of the weight on
the rear wing attachment pins with the leverage of a 14' long wing. The
bouncing of the wing, even without gas, would bend or break something I am
sure.
do not archieve
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
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| Subject: | Re: mk 3 cowling needed |
I have the round cowls -- upper and lower
townsend ring only , not main cowl.
--------
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Small Side window? |
I used clear double sided "rubbery" tape from the Home Depot aircraft dept. Some
sort of 3M stuff.
Maxwell
Pete Christensen <apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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Tahoma } The small side window on my Kitfox III partly came loose.
What kind of glue should I use to re-attach?
Pete
Kitfox III N73BH
Hell Paso, TX
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| Subject: | Small Side window? |
Is it possible to dope it in the same as inspection hole strengtheners are?
The guy who built my plane sewed my rear windows in.
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete
Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 12:17 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Small Side window?
The small side window on my Kitfox III partly came loose. What kind of glue
should I use to re-attach?
Pete
Kitfox III N73BH
Hell Paso, TX
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| Subject: | Re: CGS Prop blades Loose |
Clint,
read about a 912 blade departure here
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=41907
looking forward to reading about your VGs.
Mine work ok , I have not removed yet but no big gains like others claim.
Maybe I have to play around and adjust mine more ?
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Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Making Bungees |
I've never made bungees for airplanes...but have used "homemade" bungees for lots
of other things. The tieing/whipping works good. I would always stretch the
bungee (sometimes it took a ratchet strap with the larger material). I would
usually waste a few inches of material because both the short and long end
must be secured to something while stretching. When it is stretched the outside
diameter is smaller. By tieing/whipping (even multiple applications of safety
wire...do a double loop before twisting...) in this configuration made everything
MUCH tighter. Personally, I preferred to use the safety wire...however,
the pigtail must be bent and tucked into the fold to keep the sharp points
protected and out of the way.
Travis :D
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Mobile, AL
Skystar Vixen, N-789DF
Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop
ADI-II Autopilot
AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather
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| Subject: | Any model 5-7's in upstate NY? |
Hello builders/flyers: Looking for a Kitfox 5-7 in the Buffalo-Rochester-Syracuse
area with the 'Continental-style' cowling so I can take a few measurements
for my Avid Plus. I'd also like to compare an Avid speed wing rib to the Riblett
foil and confirm how much tweaking is necessary to fit a set of KF removable
tips. Any horse traders in the area? I have a set of faired and covered Model
IV gear to swap for wing tips, or an unused Jabiru cowl for your Conti cowl,
or ??? Please reply off list if you can help out. Many thanks, Doug
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Draining Wing Tanks |
Yes, "all of it" is the best response I can think of. I had all of
mine out because I mainly towed my plane to get it weighed...and to
show it off out at the radio control club. : )
I've got some pictures of my braces, but wasn't able to find them
quickly this morning...I'll look again.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/487+ hrs/down for annual
On Apr 8, 2008, at 10:36 AM, patrick reilly wrote:
> Lynn, Thanks for the heavy wall tubing recommendation. I will use
> heavier tubing than I planned. And, yes no fuel in the tanks. I
> can't figure out the questions about "How much fuel should I drain
> before transporting with wings folded?" ......Simple ALL OF IT!!!
>
>
> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
> Rockford, IL
> > From: lynnmatt@jps.net
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Draining Wing Tanks
> > Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 08:11:53 -0400
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >
> >
> > I see what you're saying, Pat, but in use they work just fine. At
> > least the ones I built work fine, but I have the shorter wing...less
> > moment to deal with...and made sure to have no fuel on board when I
> > trailered mine for the approx. 60 miles that I actually used them. I
> > loaned Keith mine for his 1700-mile trip and he reports that they
> > worked great. Now I got the preface this with a disclaimer....I
> built
> > mine with approx 1/8" wall thickness steel tubing, not the
> electrical
> > tubing that I read someone was using, with a bent end for
> attachment.
> > I think the real trick is to get the fuel out, and stay off really
> > rough roads.
> >
> > Lynn Matteson
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| Subject: | Re: Small Side window? |
Look at it again, Noel, and you may find that the windows were sewn
onto a "flange" of fabric which is then glued...with Poly-tak...to
the fuselage tubes. It's been two years since I did this area of my
plane, so I may have forgotten just what got glued to what, but
that's the method of attachment that my windows came with.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/487+ hrs/down for annual
On Apr 8, 2008, at 4:57 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
> Is it possible to dope it in the same as inspection hole
> strengtheners are?
>
>
> The guy who built my plane sewed my rear windows in.
>
>
> Noel
>
>
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-
> list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Christensen
> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 12:17 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Small Side window?
>
>
> The small side window on my Kitfox III partly came loose. What
> kind of glue should I use to re-attach?
>
>
> Pete
>
> Kitfox III N73BH
>
> Hell Paso, TX
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| Subject: | Re: GSC Prop blades |
Noel Loveys wrote:
>
> Steve:
>
> I replaced it with an Ivo IFA for two reasons.
>
> 1 the Ivo is very light. The UL - IFA with the hub and all is much
> lighter than the GSC
>
> 2. I wasn't getting the power out of the GSC I thought I should have
> been getting... I was right. Not because of a problem with the prop
> but a problem with the tachometer. My tach was reading 20-% high
> across the whole envelope. That means at idle I was only turning
> around 1800 rpm... Read shook like a S.O.B. and at full throttle (6800
> rpm on floats) I was actually only getting 5400 rpm. I don't think the
> prop, fifteen years old could have taken the full 6800 rpm.
>
> With all composite props I still advise getting your torque wrench
> calibrated. I calibrated mine with twenty pounds of weight slung
> exactly ten inches horizontally from the centre of the stud (200lb.
> in.) slinging at 12' gave me the calibration for 240 lb. in.. I then
> just noted my calibration points. In my case both calibration points
> were exactly minus 13 lb. in. So to set my wrench for 200 lb. in.
> Calibrated I set it for 187 lb.in.. If I had to torque to 100 lb. in.
> I would just do another calibration.
>
> Just a note for Canadian certified aircraft owners the above method of
> calibration is not a certified method... as practical as it is.
>
> When I got the Ivo first I noticed that there were no holes in the
> heads of the bolts. I figured this was a mistake on the behalf of Ivo
> so I called them to check why no lockwire holes. I was told the
> intentionally don't lock wire their props because they want you to
> check the torque on a regular basis and some people don't like to cut
> lock wire. Being a well trained Canadian AME (Aircraft Maintenance
> Engineer) I do as I'm told and didn't use drilled bolts for the hub.
>
> My experience with the Ivo is it is a very smooth prop and very light
> too. I never got around to setting the pitch stops and to be honest I
> think it's better to be able to run a bit further than normally used
> to keep additional load off the small planetary gears that operate the
> hub. I also noticed although it was the same length as my GSC it
> doesnt pick up spray the same way. With the GSC I was always filling
> pits in the leading edges of the blades... The Ivo hasn't had that need.
>
> There are some people out there who dont like the flexibility of the
> Ivo. I think its flexibility is part of the reason it is so smooth.
>
> Sigtaturea
>
> *Noel Loveys*
>
> Campbellton, NL, Canada
>
> CDN AME intern, PP-Rec
>
> C-FINB, Kitfox III-A
>
> 582 B box, Ivo IFA, Aerocet 1100 floats
>
> noelloveys@yahoo.ca
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of steve
> shinabery
> Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 9:03 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: GSC Prop blades
>
>
> Noel,,what kind of prop did you replace your GSC with.I all so may look
>
> in to replacement of prop..Thanks Steve Shinabery N554KF KF2 little 582
>
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THANKS Noel,,,I belive when I can I too will get a prop like yours all
so..Thanks for your advice....Steve Shinabery N554KF KF2
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| Subject: | Re: Small Side window? |
I used good ol' Super Glue--worked great. Too much side-slipping agitated
my window and it started breaking at the stitching. Has been fine ever since.
Stan Specht
Kitfox Model IV Speedster "Columbine"
49 states and 1300+ hours on a 912ul
Denver, Colorado
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| Subject: | Re: Small Side window? |
Well, I fixed the side window with something called E-6000 from Hobby
Lobby craft store. I've used it in RC planes. It is like Goop but
thinner. The window was 70% pulled away from the wall. I think it is
strong as new.
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| Subject: | Re: Small Side window? |
That must have been a sight to watch .......LOL
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In a message dated 4/8/2008 5:01:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
noelloveys@yahoo.ca writes:
The guy who built my plane sewed my rear windows in.
Noel
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 12:17 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Small Side window?
The small side window on my Kitfox III partly came loose. What kind of glue
should I use to re-attach?
Pete
Kitfox III N73BH
Hell Paso, TX
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| Subject: | Re: CGS Prop blades Loose |
Hi Pete, IVO and GSC hubs are not interchangeable.
Robert
San Diego
Former II/582
V/0200 N200KF
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----- Original Message ----
From: Pete Christensen <apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Sunday, April 6, 2008 5:49:56 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: CGS Prop blades Loose
Robert
Will the IVO bolt on the same prop hub as the gsc?
Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Harris
Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: CGS Prop blades Loose
I had a a three blad GSC prop on my Quad City challenger and it slipped in the
hub too. After readjusting it I could get it to stop slipping but what an awful
lot of work. The IVO prop is very easy to aduust in comparison.
Robert
San Diego
Former II/582
V/0200 N200KF
----- Original Message ----
From: Pete Christensen <apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 5, 2008 7:09:05 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: CGS Prop blades Loose
Thanks Tom,
This plane has been through about 6 owners. Bound to be one of them that
over tightened the hub. I really don't like the complexity of the ground
adjustable. I would prefer fixed pitch. The instructions that came with
the prop leave allot to be desired and the GSC web site is even less
helpful.
Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 7:44 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: CGS Prop blades Loose
>
>
> peteohms wrote:
>> Tom,
>> Well there was NO gap between hub halves and the bolts were plenty tight.
>> I
>> took the prop apart and it looks brand new inside and out. I just made
>> some
>> aluminum shims for the inside of both halves. They appear to work. I do
>> have the instructions. It seems like it would be easier to fly it the 60
>> or
>> so miles than to try to find a trailer that will fit.
>>
>> Pete
>> Kitfox III 912 N73BH
>> ---
>
>
> Pete, your prop situation is different than I have heard of. That being
> the bolts are tight, hub halves touching, and the blades still loose. The
> blade roots can be crushed and thus damaged if it has been over-torqued in
> the past.
>
> People have reported a blade slipping in flight due to over torqueing,
> which crushes the blade root and the hub halves touch. Being able to turn
> a blade by hand with the bolts tight indicates to me that either the blade
> root diameter is too small or the hub sockets too large. GSC keeps a
> record of blade serial numbers (I think) so may be able to shed some light
> on the issue for you. Probably won't be able to get ahold of anyone there
>
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| Subject: | Re: GSC Prop blades |
I agree with Steves comments below.=0ARobert=0ASan Diego=0AFormer KFII/582
=0AFormer Challenger 503 3 blade GSC=0AV/0200 N200KF=0ADo Not Archive=0A=0A
=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Noel Loveys <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>=0A
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: GSC Prop blades=0A=0A=0ASteve:=0A =0AI replaced i
t with an Ivo IFA for two reasons. =0A1 the Ivo is very light. The UL - I
FA with the hub and all is much lighter than the GSC=0A2. I wasn't getting
the power out of the GSC I thought I should have been getting... I was rig
ht. Not because of a problem with the prop but a problem with the tachomet
er. My tach was reading 20-% high across the whole envelope. That means a
t idle I was only turning around 1800 rpm... Read shook like a S.O.B. and a
t full throttle (6800 rpm on floats) I was actually only getting 5400 rpm.
I don't think the prop, fifteen years old could have taken the full 6800 r
pm.=0A =0AWith all composite props I still advise getting your torque wrenc
h calibrated. I calibrated mine with twenty pounds of weight slung exactly
ten inches horizontally from the centre of the stud (200lb. in.) slinging
at 12' gave me the calibration for 240 lb. in.. I then just noted my calib
ration points. In my case both calibration points were exactly minus 13 lb
. in. So to set my wrench for 200 lb. in. Calibrated I set it for 187 lb.i
n.. If I had to torque to 100 lb. in. I would just do another calibration.
=0A =0AJust a note for Canadian certified aircraft owners the above method
of calibration is not a certified method... as practical as it is.=0A =0AWh
en I got the Ivo first I noticed that there were no holes in the heads of t
he bolts. I figured this was a mistake on the behalf of Ivo so I called th
em to check why no lockwire holes. I was told the intentionally don't lock
wire their props because they want you to check the torque on a regular ba
sis and some people don't like to cut lock wire. Being a well trained Cana
dian AME (Aircraft Maintenance Engineer) I do as I'm told and didn't use dr
illed bolts for the hub.=0A =0AMy experience with the Ivo is it is a very s
mooth prop and very light too. I never got around to setting the pitch sto
ps and to be honest I think it's better to be able to run a bit further tha
n normally used to keep additional load off the small planetary gears that
operate the hub. I also noticed although it was the same length as my GSC
it doesn=A2t pick up spray the same way. With the GSC I was always filling
pits in the leading edges of the blades... The Ivo hasn't had that need.
=0A =0AThere are some people out there who don=A2t like the flexibility of
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=0A =0A=0A =0ANoel Loveys=0ACampbellton, NL, Canada=0ACDN AME intern, PP-R
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| Subject: | Re: Short field take off : |
was 6" extension
I really like Dave's videos and love his Kitfox. I always keep my eyes open for
another model II as the performance is amazing. I never had any problems with
my 582 Blue Head (BH) 3 blade IVO CAP with RKC Clutch. Prior to the BH there
was a Gray Head on the plane with aprox 425 hours and not a single problem with
the engine. With the Quad tires and one person on board the plane would take
off in 150-200 feet with just myself on board and cruise was around 85-90 IAS
if I pushed it. I could fly from the Pacific Ocean to Arizona border with one
tank of gas and a lot of fun along the way.
Robert
San Diego
Former II/582
V/0200 N200KF
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----- Original Message ----
From: steve shinabery <shinco@bright.net>
Sent: Sunday, April 6, 2008 5:52:02 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Short field take off : was 6" extension
dave wrote:
>
> Deke,
>
> First off my Kitfox that is off in 100 feet or less will cruise at 92 mph
with the 21 " King fox tires. That is TAS not IAS. I have a WARP ground adjustable
on it now and those are the numbers. Plain and simple it works and works
well. Engine has 420 hours on it and never been apart yet. According to popular
belief that 2 stroke should have flown apart hundreds of hours ago. ? Heck
man on Amphib floats I cruise at 85 MPH with a stinking 582 --
>
> PS if you Kitfox will get off the ground in 100 feet ?> I would like to see
that on Video, --See the difference between me and others is that is put my camera
where my mouth is.Some like it -- others do not . But At least I can verify
what I say with a video.
>
>
>
>> Oops, I just reread my message and saw that I might have ruffled some
>> feathers, especially "Rotax Dealer". If you're pitched to get off the
>> ground in 100 feet, then you're pitched to cruise at 65 mph!
>> Deke
>>
>> ---
>>
>
>
> --------
> Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
> Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
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>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175045#175045
>
>
>
GOOD going DAVE,,may be they should see your Videos as I have...and they
would belive too.what the little 582 can do..DAVE keep up the good
work...STEVE SHINABERY N554KF KF2 with a nother little 582 rotax
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| Subject: | Re: CGS Prop blades Loose |
(my blade departure)
I still think about the picutres of the engine that was hanging by a few cables
when a blade came out of the hub. Planes in the air races have safety cables
on engine and I plan on doing this to my plane.
Robert
San Diego
Former II/582
V/0200 N200KF
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----- Original Message ----
From: dave <dave@cfisher.com>
Sent: Monday, April 7, 2008 3:06:03 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: CGS Prop blades Loose (my blade departure)
> Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 9:01 am Post subject: CGS Prop blades Loose (my blade
departure)
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> From your experience, Gary, I was prompted to install an engine-
> restraining cable on my Kitfox. I recall you saying that your engine
> was restrained by the battery cable and partly by the cowl if I
> recall correctly. Thanks to this list and some unfortunate
> happenings, we are all a little safer, I hope.
>
> Lynn Matteson
>
Lynn, I have the same on mine, I think it should be mandatory for all.
I think i have posted pics here before on this old topic.
--------
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| Subject: | Re: CGS Prop blades Loose |
http://forums.matronics.com//files/broken_ivo_917.jpg
Dave,
Thanks for the Picture of The broken 3 bladed IVO Prop above. IVOs are not as tough
as I thought. In the IVO instructions it says not to use a three bladed prop
with a certain redrive combo. I bought a model II that had this forbidden
combo. I saw excessive wear on the RK400 clutch and belived it was due to the
3 blade and the Redrive combo.
Robert
Former KF II 582
San Diego, CA
----- Original Message ----
From: dave <dave@cfisher.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 6, 2008 6:24:12 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: CGS Prop blades Loose
Clint , like others said lots on google as well.
Here is one of my own pics
Sounds like you never herad of a IVO failure >? Like i said all props die from
time to time
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