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1. 04:33 AM - Sun and Fun (Catz631@aol.com)
2. 05:02 AM - Re: Tailwheels: Maule vs. Scott vs. Matco (Catz631@aol.com)
3. 05:09 AM - Re: Insurance Inquiry (Catz631@aol.com)
4. 05:32 AM - Re: Draining Wing Tanks (Catz631@aol.com)
5. 06:07 AM - Re: 582 EGT's (LarryM)
6. 07:41 AM - Re: Draining Wing Tanks (Pete Christensen)
7. 10:18 AM - Re: Bungee Gear Leg (corbob13)
8. 11:02 AM - Re: Re: 582 EGT's ()
9. 11:22 AM - Bill of Sale headache (JSD)
10. 11:46 AM - Re: Bill of Sale headache (dcsfoto)
11. 12:57 PM - Re: 582 EGT's (LarryM)
12. 02:32 PM - Re: Small Side window? (Cudnohufsky's)
13. 02:42 PM - Re: Bill of Sale headache (Cudnohufsky's)
14. 03:28 PM - Re: Bill of Sale headache (Lynn Matteson)
15. 03:49 PM - Re: Bill of Sale headache (Lynn Matteson)
16. 04:46 PM - Re: 582 EGT's (dave)
17. 05:31 PM - Re: Short field take off : was 6" extension (Noel Loveys)
18. 05:46 PM - Re: Small Side window? (Noel Loveys)
19. 05:47 PM - Re: CGS Prop blades Loose (Noel Loveys)
20. 06:11 PM - Patching Hanger Rash (Pete Christensen)
21. 06:51 PM - Re: Short field take off : was 6" extension (dave)
22. 06:56 PM - Re: Bill of Sale headache (JSD)
23. 07:38 PM - Re: Small Side window? (steve eccles)
24. 09:06 PM - Re: Re: CGS Prop blades Loose (ron schick)
25. 09:31 PM - Re: Re: Short field take off : was 6" extension (Guy Buchanan)
26. 09:35 PM - Re: Re: CGS Prop blades Loose (rich smith)
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Just got back from "Mud & Fun" after buying all my "goodies" .It is drying
out a little so we didn't have to walk 1/2 mile thru the mud to get in like the
first day.(makes a mess of your shoes) It should be ok by the time most of you
go.The stuck cars will be removed by then for those that drive.
Crowds were light on day one and much heavier on day two.Weather was clear
to partly cloudy and 85 degrees.Should be that way at least up to Sat.Winds
were light so lots of Ultralight flying.
Leading edge airfoils had a nice sale on 911 oil filters .I bought two @
$13.00 each Lockwood and CPS are also there. Shell has their new oil out for the
911 and cases are available at Lockwood.
Have fun!
Dick Maddux
Fox4-1200
Pensacola,Fl
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| Subject: | Re: Tailwheels: Maule vs. Scott vs. Matco |
I had the Maule tailwheel on my Kitfox with the Grove aluminum spring but
removed it and replaced it with a 3 leaf spring I obtained from Kitfox. The
aluminum spring was far too stiff for operations on my grass runway (and had some
reports of breakage) I installed the Matco 6 inch with the 3 leaf steel spring
and the weight was within 1/2 pound of the weight removed. The setup has
worked fine with the exception of the foot print of the Matco tailwheel.It is about
1/2 the width of the Maule and it makes turning on the grass more difficult
as it tends to dig into the sod a little, so I have gone back to the Maule. I
have not tested this setup yet as my aircraft is down for modifications but I
have no doubt it will be better as it worked fine with the aluminum spring
except for the harshness of that spring.
As to shimmy, on other aircraft I have owned it has always been the
tailspring that has caused the problem. If the bearings on your wheel and swivel
are
tight and not sloppy then look to the spring arch. It has a great effect on the
axis of the tailwheel unit. My Piper Pacer had a problem with shimmy if I
increased the weight in the rear of the aircraft (as did a Cessna 120 I owned)
You had to push forward on the yoke to unload it during rollout or it would
shake your teeth out. In both cases I bought new tailsprings and the problem was
solved. Some guys re arch the springs at a spring shop.
Now don't get me wrong a loose tailwheel,spring,fittings can all cause this
problem but in my case,it has been the spring. In any case the 3 leaf spring
from John McBean has solved my situation.It has lots of give on grass and
makes for a more comfortable ride.
The Scott 3200 wheel is a good one but I suspect a little too heavy (I
really haven't thought about it) I had it on my Pacer but went to the Alaska Bush
tailwheel as my Scott was pretty beat up and costs a fortune to replace.The
bush wheel worked great but I think it is too big and heavy for the Kitfox.Some
of the smaller Scotts might work.
Well that's my input.You can throw it into the trash if you like.
Dick Maddux
Fox 4-1200
Pensacola,Fl
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| Subject: | Re: Insurance Inquiry |
Andy,
Avemco quoted me pretty much the same amount you were talking about. I
have a friend with an Ercoupe who told me about a company that his members use.
I
was able to insure my Kitfox for $30,000, ground and air for $995. The
underwriter was AIG. My Kitfox has been flying since 2002 so I am sure that would
probably make a rate difference
Dick Maddux
Pensacola,Fl
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| Subject: | Re: Draining Wing Tanks |
Pat,
Sorry I didn't get back to you.I just got back from SNF. When I towed my
Kitfox from Mass to Fl I did have the wing root supported with a rod(about the
size of your thumb) at the front of each folded wing.I had removed the hay
bale and the supports prior to taking the picture of the plane on the trailer.We
hit speeds of 70-80 mph on the freeways and the plane was well tied.It was not
my truck or trailer and I spent a bit of time telling my friend to slow this
_$#@&%$_ (mailto:$#@&) * down! Lots of jerks were tailgatting about 1 foot off
our tail. It was a trip I don't want to do again. Flying was out of the
question as the weather was horrible and stayed that way for a month! Actually
the
struts(red)are in the picture if it comes thru.
Dick Maddux
Fox4-1200
Pensacola,Fl
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I would simply move to the 4th clip position and see. As the warmer temps approach(
- well they're suppose to be coming!) you'll have to go back to the 3rd
of even 2nd clip position depending on density altitude. In this area, 850msl
temps 20-90, I vary between between 3rd & 4th with 165 jet. I try to see 1100ish
at 5800 rpm (suppose to be the leanest rpm). I wait until it changes by
about 40-50 degrees before I change to the other clip position.
larry
NOT an expert !
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| Subject: | Re: Draining Wing Tanks |
Thanks Dick,
Nice looking Fox. I got it home safely on a uhaul car trailer. took my
wife and I 4 hours to load and secure. It stayed put for the whole 60
mile trip.
Pete
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To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 6:28 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Draining Wing Tanks
Pat,
Sorry I didn't get back to you.I just got back from SNF. When I
towed my Kitfox from Mass to Fl I did have the wing root supported with
a rod(about the size of your thumb) at the front of each folded wing.I
had removed the hay bale and the supports prior to taking the picture of
the plane on the trailer.We hit speeds of 70-80 mph on the freeways and
the plane was well tied.It was not my truck or trailer and I spent a bit
of time telling my friend to slow this $#@&%$* down! Lots of jerks were
tailgatting about 1 foot off our tail. It was a trip I don't want to do
again. Flying was out of the question as the weather was horrible and
stayed that way for a month! Actually the struts(red)are in the picture
if it comes thru.
Dick Maddux
Fox4-1200
Pensacola,Fl
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| Subject: | Re: Bungee Gear Leg |
Thanks to everyone on the list who replied to me off list I found a replacement,
so I don't need the repair. I do agree that a repair would probably not have
been a great idea. Every time I'd turn final I'd be wondering if the leg was
going to collapse as I touched down.
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N903DB
Kitfox Model II, Rotax 582
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Larry... great common sense response.
Just when i thought the snow and cold was over...winter returns so maybe have
to try the 4th clip.
I have just never heard anyone say 4th clip is do able.
What color are your plugs and does your engine smoke much?
Mine does during startup for sure but not sure during flight or after its warmed
up.
thanks for the tips... i'm not an expert either... obviously.
>I would simply move to the 4th clip position and see. As the warmer temps approach(
- well they're suppose to be coming!) you'll have to go back to the 3rd
of even 2nd clip position depending on density altitude. In this area, 850msl
temps 20-90, I vary between between 3rd & 4th with 165 jet. I try to see 1100ish
at 5800 rpm (suppose to be the leanest rpm). I wait until it changes by
about 40-50 degrees before I change to the other clip position.
>
>larry
>NOT an expert !
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175905#175905
>
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| Subject: | Bill of Sale headache |
When I purchased my partially complete Series 6 I did a Bill of Sale (not on the
FAA form) with the seller. He also gave me a Bill of Materials that he got from
the original buyer who bought it from Skystar. I believe there was a broker
involved between the original buyer and the guy I bought it from. Now that
I've learned that I will need everyone else's Bills back to the kit factory to
get this registered, I've been hounding the guy I bought it from for more info
and paperwork. He's being unresponsive so here I sit with a kit that I'm hesitant
to invest more time or bucks in. I'm sure I'm not the only one that's had
this dilemma and am hoping to find some solution. Anyone know of a productive
route to take from here? No jokes please--this isn't funny.
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Scott Denniston
K-7/ no power yet
65% or so complete
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| Subject: | Re: Bill of Sale headache |
contact me offline.
501 804 9285
David Kitfox 7 921s
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I smoke on start too, but I'm inverted so always have some oil/gas in the plug
on start up. My plugs are a grey color, depending on the time of year and when
I pull them. I do have to look past the black from taxi in. I know I should
shut her down and see, but I haven't seen the need when I look at the rings
and piston head. I found moving a clip position changes the EGT about 50F.
You may want to set your cruise rpm and mark the throttle at that position.
Then look at the needle/jet relationship with the throttle set to that cruise
rpm position. You will probably find that the needle is still in the jet and
therefore clip position would influence.
larry
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| Subject: | Small Side window? |
My 5 has an aluminum frame, fabric over the outside, window on the inside
and riveted through the aluminum frame, large holes, large head aluminum
rivets and backing washers.
Lloyd
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Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Small Side window?
That must have been a sight to watch .......LOL
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In a message dated 4/8/2008 5:01:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
noelloveys@yahoo.ca writes:
The guy who built my plane sewed my rear windows in.
Noel
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete
Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 12:17 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Small Side window?
The small side window on my Kitfox III partly came loose. What kind of glue
should I use to re-attach?
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| Subject: | Bill of Sale headache |
Scott,
If you are an EAA Member you could try contacting them Maybe even if you are
not), I have found them very helpful and knowledgeable about aircraft
legalities.
Lloyd C
N Mich.
Mod 5 912
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JSD
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 1:20 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Bill of Sale headache
When I purchased my partially complete Series 6 I did a Bill of Sale (not on
the FAA form) with the seller. He also gave me a Bill of Materials that he
got from the original buyer who bought it from Skystar. I believe there was
a broker involved between the original buyer and the guy I bought it from.
Now that I've learned that I will need everyone else's Bills back to the kit
factory to get this registered, I've been hounding the guy I bought it from
for more info and paperwork. He's being unresponsive so here I sit with a
kit that I'm hesitant to invest more time or bucks in. I'm sure I'm not the
only one that's had this dilemma and am hoping to find some solution. Anyone
know of a productive route to take from here? No jokes please--this isn't
funny.
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Scott Denniston
K-7/ no power yet
65% or so complete
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| Subject: | Re: Bill of Sale headache |
I registered mine as built from "miscellaneous parts"....I had the
paper trail all the way from Skystar, through the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd
(thanks Jimmie) owners, but because there was death of one owner, and
his widow signed off, and there was a misspelling of one of the
names...corrected by the widow...I felt it might be easier to just
list the whole thing as misc. parts. This flew with the "powers that
be", and everyone lived happily ever after. I got the registration
back inside of 3-4 weeks.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/487+ hrs/down for annual
On Apr 10, 2008, at 2:19 PM, JSD wrote:
>
> When I purchased my partially complete Series 6 I did a Bill of
> Sale (not on the FAA form) with the seller. He also gave me a Bill
> of Materials that he got from the original buyer who bought it from
> Skystar. I believe there was a broker involved between the
> original buyer and the guy I bought it from. Now that I've learned
> that I will need everyone else's Bills back to the kit factory to
> get this registered, I've been hounding the guy I bought it from
> for more info and paperwork. He's being unresponsive so here I sit
> with a kit that I'm hesitant to invest more time or bucks in. I'm
> sure I'm not the only one that's had this dilemma and am hoping to
> find some solution. Anyone know of a productive route to take from
> here? No jokes please--this isn't funny.
>
> --------
> Scott Denniston
> K-7/ no power yet
> 65% or so complete
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175954#175954
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| Subject: | Re: Bill of Sale headache |
I should add that this "misc. parts" idea was at the suggestion of
someone at EAA, and I phoned OK City to get the ok to do it that way.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/487+ hrs/down for annual
On Apr 10, 2008, at 6:25 PM, Lynn Matteson wrote:
>
> I registered mine as built from "miscellaneous parts"....I had the
> paper trail all the way from Skystar, through the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd
> (thanks Jimmie) owners, but because there was death of one owner,
> and his widow signed off, and there was a misspelling of one of the
> names...corrected by the widow...I felt it might be easier to just
> list the whole thing as misc. parts. This flew with the "powers
> that be", and everyone lived happily ever after. I got the
> registration back inside of 3-4 weeks.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Grass Lake, Michigan
> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
> flying w/487+ hrs/down for annual
>
>
> On Apr 10, 2008, at 2:19 PM, JSD wrote:
>
>>
>> When I purchased my partially complete Series 6 I did a Bill of
>> Sale (not on the FAA form) with the seller. He also gave me a Bill
>> of Materials that he got from the original buyer who bought it
>> from Skystar. I believe there was a broker involved between the
>> original buyer and the guy I bought it from. Now that I've learned
>> that I will need everyone else's Bills back to the kit factory to
>> get this registered, I've been hounding the guy I bought it from
>> for more info and paperwork. He's being unresponsive so here I sit
>> with a kit that I'm hesitant to invest more time or bucks in. I'm
>> sure I'm not the only one that's had this dilemma and am hoping to
>> find some solution. Anyone know of a productive route to take from
>> here? No jokes please--this isn't funny.
>>
>> --------
>> Scott Denniston
>> K-7/ no power yet
>> 65% or so complete
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175954#175954
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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First question is what do your plugs look like ?
With Stock rotax exhaust i run 3 rd notch spring,summer and fall. Winter time I
go to 4th notch, about 10 to 15% more fule and lower EGTS.
1200 F in cruise i find is ok by my gauges leaving me with a sandy brown plug.
Member those guages are calibrated for 75F so at 25 F your EGT will show 1250F
and really the same as in summer at 1200 F when OAT is 75F .
Also what is your prop set like for RPM ?
WIDE OPEN THROTTLE ?
STATIC On the ground
Prop pitch has alot to do with EGTs as well.
--------
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
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| Subject: | Short field take off : was 6" extension |
Lynn:
I can show you a couple of very small ponds. I'm just hoping that when I
get the 912 in it will be able to get out as quickly as the 582.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Short field take off : was 6" extension
I wonder if these "get off quick" guys ever go anyplace with these
planes, or just practice takeoffs? Maybe I'm just jealous, but I'd
rather go someplace than just brag about my short takeoffs. To each
his/her own, I guess.
Lynn
do not archive
On Apr 5, 2008, at 10:10 AM, fox5flyer wrote:
> Sure, I could flatten out my prop and get the airplane off the
> ground in 100 feet and have something to brag about, but that's
> about all it is, bragging rights.
(snip)
> All this talk about who can get their airplane off the ground the
> quickest is "groundless" chest beating and doesn't really prove
> anything.
> Deke Morisse
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Small Side window? |
Lynn:
I don't know how he did it but the clear glass which is little more than
plastic is glued and stitched to the inside of the cloth. The stitches are
consistent enough to know they were definitely machine made. There is tape
on the outside so I expect that your idea of attaching the cloth (a small
piece) to the frame and then doping the rest of the cloth to it is probably
how it was done.
Noel
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Small Side window?
Look at it again, Noel, and you may find that the windows were sewn
onto a "flange" of fabric which is then glued...with Poly-tak...to
the fuselage tubes. It's been two years since I did this area of my
plane, so I may have forgotten just what got glued to what, but
that's the method of attachment that my windows came with.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/487+ hrs/down for annual
On Apr 8, 2008, at 4:57 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
> Is it possible to dope it in the same as inspection hole
> strengtheners are?
>
>
> The guy who built my plane sewed my rear windows in.
>
>
> Noel
>
>
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-
> list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Christensen
> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 12:17 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Small Side window?
>
>
> The small side window on my Kitfox III partly came loose. What
> kind of glue should I use to re-attach?
>
>
> Pete
>
> Kitfox III N73BH
>
> Hell Paso, TX
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| Subject: | CGS Prop blades Loose |
When you get your new prop, calibrate your tach to make sure you are putting
as much power as possible into the prop.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete
Christensen
Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CGS Prop blades Loose
<apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.net>
After doing a little research online, it turns out that the GSC props are
only good for 5 years or 500 hours. This prop is 14 years old and has
probably 400 hours on it.
Pete
Kitfox III N73BH
PS. Yes I will be in church tomorrow.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Guy Buchanan" <bnn@nethere.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CGS Prop blades Loose
>
> At 12:28 PM 4/5/2008, you wrote:
>>Is there a fix or is the prop trash?
>
> Pete,
> Need more info. What prop? What's loose? I would say a close
> inspection after disassembly is certainly in order. More depends on the
> prop and what's found.
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> San Diego, CA
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Patching Hanger Rash |
Ok, got my new (to me) Kitfox III home and need to fix a couple small holes
in the side of the fuselage. The plane was painted with Durethane. Now I'd
like to just put a round patch on the inside to prevent the holes from
growing and maybe later do something to the ouside, What should I use to
install the inside patch. I figure some hardware store urethane. Any other
suggestions? What will I need to do when I get around to fixing the outside?
Pete
Kitfox III N73BH
Hell Paso, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Short field take off : was 6" extension |
Deke, I would like you to video this on a Kitfox 5 with Suberu.
>>
> Sure, I could flatten out my prop and get
> the airplane off the ground in 100 feet and have something to brag about,
> but that's about all it is, bragging rights. I've tried every combination
> possible and I always come back to the same thing that works best in my
> situation.
I can spout it out and prove it , Can you ?
--------
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Bill of Sale headache |
Thanks so much for the posted, emailed and phoned suggestions. Looks like there's
hope after all! Thanks again.
--------
Scott Denniston
K-7/ no power yet
65% or so complete
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| Subject: | Small Side window? |
the earlier models were stitched in the material from the factory, at least
that's what I was showed when I bought my model 5 way back when .. they had
only started the model V at that time. I was in Caldwell at Skystar they had
the Speedster and the vixen along with an earlier model 3 I believe so they
were showing the differences and improvements that they were making.
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Noel Loveys
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 7:43 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Small Side window?
Lynn:
I don't know how he did it but the clear glass which is little more than
plastic is glued and stitched to the inside of the cloth. The stitches are
consistent enough to know they were definitely machine made. There is tape
on the outside so I expect that your idea of attaching the cloth (a small
piece) to the frame and then doping the rest of the cloth to it is probably
how it was done.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Small Side window?
Look at it again, Noel, and you may find that the windows were sewn
onto a "flange" of fabric which is then glued...with Poly-tak...to
the fuselage tubes. It's been two years since I did this area of my
plane, so I may have forgotten just what got glued to what, but
that's the method of attachment that my windows came with.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/487+ hrs/down for annual
On Apr 8, 2008, at 4:57 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
> Is it possible to dope it in the same as inspection hole
> strengtheners are?
>
>
> The guy who built my plane sewed my rear windows in.
>
>
> Noel
>
>
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-
> list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Christensen
> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 12:17 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Small Side window?
>
>
> The small side window on my Kitfox III partly came loose. What
> kind of glue should I use to re-attach?
>
>
> Pete
>
> Kitfox III N73BH
>
> Hell Paso, TX
>
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| Subject: | Re: CGS Prop blades Loose |
They both share the same Rotax bolt pattern so yes the whole prop will bolt
on in place of the other whole prop. Ron NB Ore
e: Kitfox-List: Re: CGS Prop blades LooseTo: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Hi Pete, IVO and GSC hubs are not interchangeable.
Robert
San Diego
Former II/582
V/0200 N200KF
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----- Original Message ----From: Pete Christensen <apeterchristensen@sbcglo
bal.net>To: kitfox-list@matronics.comSent: Sunday, April 6, 2008 5:49:56 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: CGS Prop blades Loose
Robert
Will the IVO bolt on the same prop hub as the gsc?
Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Harris
Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: CGS Prop blades Loose
I had a a three blad GSC prop on my Quad City challenger and it slipped in
the hub too. After readjusting it I could get it to stop slipping but what
an awful lot of work. The IVO prop is very easy to aduust in comparison.
Robert
San Diego
Former II/582
V/0200 N200KF
----- Original Message ----From: Pete Christensen <apeterchristensen@sbcglo
bal.net>To: kitfox-list@matronics.comSent: Saturday, April 5, 2008 7:09:05
PMSubject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: CGS Prop blades Loose--> Kitfox-List messag
e posted by: "Pete Christensen" <apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.net>Thanks Tom
,This plane has been through about 6 owners. Bound to be one of them that
over tightened the hub. I really don't like the complexity of the ground a
djustable. I would prefer fixed pitch. The instructions that came with th
e prop leave allot to be desired and the GSC web site is even less helpful.
Pete----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>To:
<kitfox-list@matronics.com>Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 7:44 PMSubject:
"Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>>>> peteohms wrote:>> Tom,>> Well there wa
s NO gap between hub halves and the bolts were plenty tight. >> I>> took th
e prop apart and it looks brand new inside and out. I just made >> some>>
aluminum shims for the inside of both halves. They appear to work. I do>>
have the instructions. It seems like it would be easier to fly it the 60
>> or>> so miles than to try to find a trailer that will fit.>>>> Pete>> Ki
tfox III 912 N73BH>> --->>> Pete, your prop situation is different than I h
ave heard of. That being > the bolts are tight, hub halves touching, and t
he blades still loose. The > blade roots can be crushed and thus damaged i
f it has been over-torqued in > the past.>> People have reported a blade sl
ipping in flight due to over torqueing, > which crushes the blade root and
the hub halves touch. Being able to turn > a blade by hand with the bolts
tight indicates to me that either the blade > root diameter is too small or
the hub sockets too large. GSC keeps a > record of blade serial numbers (
I think) so may be able to shed some light > on the issue for you. Probabl
y won't be able to get ahold of anyone there >
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| Subject: | Re: Short field take off : was 6" extension |
At 06:48 PM 4/10/2008, you wrote:
>I can spout it out and prove it , Can you ?
Dang Dave. I was hoping that because you didn't reply you'd let it
slide. Please drop it. With all due respect, pissing matches are not allowed.
Guy Buchanan, Kitfox List Moderator
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: CGS Prop blades Loose |
Hi Ron, I'm working my way back to NB. Presently in Carson City. See you
next week. Rich
----- Original Message -----
From: ron schick
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 9:03 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: CGS Prop blades Loose
They both share the same Rotax bolt pattern so yes the whole prop will
bolt on in place of the other whole prop. Ron NB Ore
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Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 19:37:42 -0700
From: kitfox_robert@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: CGS Prop blades Loose
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Hi Pete, IVO and GSC hubs are not interchangeable.
Robert
San Diego
Former II/582
V/0200 N200KF
Do not Archive
----- Original Message ----
From: Pete Christensen <apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.net>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, April 6, 2008 5:49:56 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: CGS Prop blades Loose
Robert
Will the IVO bolt on the same prop hub as the gsc?
Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Harris
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: CGS Prop blades Loose
I had a a three blad GSC prop on my Quad City challenger and it
slipped in the hub too. After readjusting it I could get it to stop
slipping but what an awful lot of work. The IVO prop is very easy to
aduust in comparison.
Robert
San Diego
Former II/582
V/0200 N200KF
----- Original Message ----
From: Pete Christensen <apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.net>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, April 5, 2008 7:09:05 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: CGS Prop blades Loose
<apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.net>
Thanks Tom,
This plane has been through about 6 owners. Bound to be one of
them that
over tightened the hub. I really don't like the complexity of the
ground
adjustable. I would prefer fixed pitch. The instructions that
came with
the prop leave allot to be desired and the GSC web site is even
less
helpful.
Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 7:44 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: CGS Prop blades Loose
<nahsikhs@elltel.net>
>
>
> peteohms wrote:
>> Tom,
>> Well there was NO gap between hub halves and the bolts were
plenty tight.
>> I
>> took the prop apart and it looks brand new inside and out. I
just made
>> some
>> aluminum shims for the inside of both halves. They appear to
work. I do
>> have the instructions. It seems like it would be easier to fly
it the 60
>> or
>> so miles than to try to find a trailer that will fit.
>>
>> Pete
>> Kitfox III 912 N73BH
>> ---
>
>
> Pete, your prop situation is different than I have heard of.
That being
> the bolts are tight, hub halves touching, and the blades still
loose. The
> blade roots can be crushed and thus damaged if it has been
over-torqued in
> the past.
>
> People have reported a blade slipping in flight due to over
torqueing,
> which crushes the blade root and the hub halves touch. Being
able to turn
> a blade by hand with the bolts tight indicates to me that either
the blade
> root diameter is too small or the hub sockets too large. GSC
keeps a
> record of blade serial numbers (I think) so may be able to shed
some light
> on the issue for you. Probably won't be able to get ahold of
anyone there
>
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