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1. 04:04 AM - Enough already? (fox5flyer)
2. 04:18 AM - Re: Patching Hanger Rash (RAY Gignac)
3. 06:00 AM - Re: Patching Hanger Rash (Noel Loveys)
4. 06:10 AM - Re: Small Side window? (Lynn Matteson)
5. 06:26 AM - Re: Re: CGS Prop blades Loose (Noel Loveys)
6. 06:45 AM - Re: Small Side window? (Noel Loveys)
7. 07:09 AM - Re: Small Side window? (Tom Jones)
8. 07:22 AM - Re: Enough already? (Guy Buchanan)
9. 07:23 AM - Re: Patching Hanger Rash (Tom Jones)
10. 08:36 AM - Re: Re: Patching Hanger Rash (Pete Christensen)
11. 08:44 AM - Re: CGS Prop blades Loose (dpremgood@aim.com)
12. 08:50 AM - Series 5 flaperon (Joel)
13. 10:22 AM - Re: Patching Hanger Rash (n85ae)
14. 10:32 AM - Re: Re: Small Side window? (Lynn Matteson)
15. 11:03 AM - Re: CGS Prop blades Loose (Pete Christensen)
16. 11:44 AM - Re: Small Side window? (darinh)
17. 11:46 AM - Re: CGS Prop blades Loose (JC Propeller Design)
18. 01:33 PM - Re: Re: Small Side window? (Pete Christensen)
19. 01:47 PM - GSC Prop Blades Loose (dpremgood@aim.com)
20. 02:05 PM - Re: Re: Small Side window? (Lynn Matteson)
21. 02:09 PM - Re: GSC Prop Blades Loose (Lynn Matteson)
22. 03:27 PM - Re: Draining Wing Tanks (bigboyzt0yz)
23. 04:14 PM - Re: Re: 582 EGT's (jareds)
24. 05:07 PM - Great Lakes Area Kitfox Fly In (steve shinabery)
25. 05:40 PM - Re: Small Side window? (darinh)
26. 05:47 PM - Windshield Fit Help Model 7 (SUE MICHAELS)
27. 06:01 PM - Re: Short field take off : was 6" extension (dave)
28. 06:05 PM - Re: CGS Prop blades Loose (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
29. 07:21 PM - Re: Short field take off : was 6" extension (LarryM)
30. 07:37 PM - Lets all hold it a minute (A Smith)
31. 07:49 PM - Re: Windshield Fit Help Model 7 (Rick)
32. 07:51 PM - Got your attention (A Smith)
33. 08:02 PM - Was short field "new for hold it a minute" (A Smith)
34. 08:02 PM - Re: Re: Patching Hanger Rash (Noel Loveys)
35. 08:02 PM - Re: Re: Small Side window? (Noel Loveys)
36. 08:13 PM - Re: CGS Prop blades Loose (Noel Loveys)
37. 08:29 PM - Re: Small Side window? (darinh)
38. 08:40 PM - Re: Was short field "new for hold it a minute" (darinh)
39. 08:43 PM - Re: CGS Prop blades Loose (Tom Jones)
40. 08:49 PM - Re: GSC Prop Blades Loose (Noel Loveys)
41. 09:28 PM - Re: Re: Was short field "new for hold it a minute" (A Smith)
42. 09:57 PM - Re: Re: Short field take off : was 6" extension (Michael Gibbs)
43. 11:19 PM - Re: Re: Short field take off : was 6" extension (A Smith)
44. 11:43 PM - Re: Re: Short field take off : was 6" extension (Michael Gibbs)
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Yup, I agree. You can sure spout it out. Dave, a little occasional
self-applauding is okay, but a steady diet of it force fed on a captive
audience is very boring! I lost interest in your daily narcissistic and
self important posts and "videos" over a year ago. Oh, one more thing.
It's spelled Subaru. Enough, okay?
Peace...
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress."
- Joseph Joubert
<dave@cfisher.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 9:48 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Short field take off : was 6" extension
>
> Deke, I would like you to video this on a Kitfox 5 with Suberu.
>
>>>
>> Sure, I could flatten out my prop and get
>> the airplane off the ground in 100 feet and have something to brag about,
>> but that's about all it is, bragging rights. I've tried every combination
>> possible and I always come back to the same thing that works best in my
>> situation.
>
>
> I can spout it out and prove it , Can you ?
>
> --------
> Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
> Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
> http://www.cfisher.com/
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=176057#176057
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| Subject: | Patching Hanger Rash |
You want to use a small amount of poly tac and glue a silver dollar size pa
tch on the inside.
Ray> From: apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.net> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Patching Hanger Rash> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 19:08:01
stensen@sbcglobal.net>> > Ok, got my new (to me) Kitfox III home and need t
o fix a couple small holes > in the side of the fuselage. The plane was pai
nted with Durethane. Now I'd > like to just put a round patch on the inside
to prevent the holes from > growing and maybe later do something to the ou
side, What should I use to > install the inside patch. I figure some hardwa
re store urethane. Any other > suggestions? What will I need to do when I g
et around to fixing the outside?> > Pete> Kitfox III N73BH> Hell Paso, TX >
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| Subject: | Patching Hanger Rash |
Pete"
First thing to do is to check out the Durethane system. Patch the hole from
the outside with a minimum of 1 inch border, 2" on top of wings using what
they (Durethane) recommends. If that system is similar to Randolph you will
have to remove the finish coat before adhering the patches to outside of the
plane. When the patch is installed and shrunk depending on it's size you
may want to go over the edge of the repair with tape. Replace the original
finish.
If you have a lot of small holes in one area it may be neater and easier to
remove a whole section of cloth and replace it. I
I hope it's on a white area... colour matching can be a bear!
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete
Christensen
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 10:38 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Patching Hanger Rash
<apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.net>
Ok, got my new (to me) Kitfox III home and need to fix a couple small holes
in the side of the fuselage. The plane was painted with Durethane. Now I'd
like to just put a round patch on the inside to prevent the holes from
growing and maybe later do something to the ouside, What should I use to
install the inside patch. I figure some hardware store urethane. Any other
suggestions? What will I need to do when I get around to fixing the outside?
Pete
Kitfox III N73BH
Hell Paso, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Small Side window? |
I couldn't exactly remember how it was fastened, so I went back and
looked at my builder's log...the surrounding fabric (sewn to window)
is wrapped around and glued (Poly-tak) to the door opening rear post,
and to the upper fuselage member, then the remaining, lower edge is
laid over the existing fuse side fabric, which has been wrapped
around and glued to another fuse tube. Then finishing tape (pinked
edges) is applied over the wraps and overlays.....harder to describe
than to do. : )
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/487+ hrs/down for annual
On Apr 10, 2008, at 8:42 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
> Lynn:
>
> I don't know how he did it but the clear glass which is little
> more than
> plastic is glued and stitched to the inside of the cloth. The
> stitches are
> consistent enough to know they were definitely machine made. There
> is tape
> on the outside so I expect that your idea of attaching the cloth
> (a small
> piece) to the frame and then doping the rest of the cloth to it is
> probably
> how it was done.
>
> Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn
> Matteson
> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 7:56 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Small Side window?
>
>
> Look at it again, Noel, and you may find that the windows were sewn
> onto a "flange" of fabric which is then glued...with Poly-tak...to
> the fuselage tubes. It's been two years since I did this area of my
> plane, so I may have forgotten just what got glued to what, but
> that's the method of attachment that my windows came with.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Grass Lake, Michigan
> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
> flying w/487+ hrs/down for annual
>
>
> On Apr 8, 2008, at 4:57 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
>> Is it possible to dope it in the same as inspection hole
>> strengtheners are?
>>
>>
>>
>> The guy who built my plane sewed my rear windows in.
>>
>>
>>
>> Noel
>>
>>
>>
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-
>> list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Christensen
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 12:17 PM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Small Side window?
>>
>>
>>
>> The small side window on my Kitfox III partly came loose. What
>> kind of glue should I use to re-attach?
>>
>>
>>
>> Pete
>>
>> Kitfox III N73BH
>>
>> Hell Paso, TX
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-Listhttp://
>> forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: CGS Prop blades Loose |
Hubs are completely different... Putting a square pin in a round hole would
be easier! The bolt pattern is consistent
Noel.
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Harris
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 12:08 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: CGS Prop blades Loose
Hi Pete, IVO and GSC hubs are not interchangeable.
Robert
San Diego
Former II/582
V/0200 N200KF
Do not Archive
----- Original Message ----
From: Pete Christensen <apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Sunday, April 6, 2008 5:49:56 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: CGS Prop blades Loose
Robert
Will the IVO bolt on the same prop hub as the gsc?
Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Harris <mailto:kitfox_robert@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: CGS Prop blades Loose
I had a a three blad GSC prop on my Quad City challenger and it slipped in
the hub too. After readjusting it I could get it to stop slipping but what
an awful lot of work. The IVO prop is very easy to aduust in comparison.
Robert
San Diego
Former II/582
V/0200 N200KF
----- Original Message ----
From: Pete Christensen <apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 5, 2008 7:09:05 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: CGS Prop blades Loose
<apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.net>
Thanks Tom,
This plane has been through about 6 owners. Bound to be one of them that
over tightened the hub. I really don't like the complexity of the ground
adjustable. I would prefer fixed pitch. The instructions that came with
the prop leave allot to be desired and the GSC web site is even less
helpful.
Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 7:44 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: CGS Prop blades Loose
>
>
> peteohms wrote:
>> Tom,
>> Well there was NO gap between hub halves and the bolts were plenty tight.
>> I
>> took the prop apart and it looks brand new inside and out. I just made
>> some
>> aluminum shims for the inside of both halves. They appear to work. I do
>> have the instructions. It seems like it would be easier to fly it the 60
>> or
>> so miles than to try to find a trailer that will fit.
>>
>> Pete
>> Kitfox III 912 N73BH
>> ---
>
>
> Pete, your prop situation is different than I have heard of. That being
> the bolts are tight, hub halves touching, and the blades still loose. The
> blade roots can be crushed and thus damaged if it has been over-torqued in
> the past.
>
> People have reported a blade slipping in flight due to over torqueing,
> which crushes the blade root and the hub halves touch. Being able to turn
> a blade by hand with the bolts tight indicates to me that either the blade
> root diameter is too small or the hub sockets too large. GSC keeps a
> record of blade serial numbers (I think) so may be able to shed some light
> on the issue for you. Probably won't be able to get ahold of anyone there
>
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| Subject: | Small Side window? |
That looks about the same as my '92 "vintage"
Thanks
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Small Side window?
I couldn't exactly remember how it was fastened, so I went back and
looked at my builder's log...the surrounding fabric (sewn to window)
is wrapped around and glued (Poly-tak) to the door opening rear post,
and to the upper fuselage member, then the remaining, lower edge is
laid over the existing fuse side fabric, which has been wrapped
around and glued to another fuse tube. Then finishing tape (pinked
edges) is applied over the wraps and overlays.....harder to describe
than to do. : )
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/487+ hrs/down for annual
On Apr 10, 2008, at 8:42 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
> Lynn:
>
> I don't know how he did it but the clear glass which is little
> more than
> plastic is glued and stitched to the inside of the cloth. The
> stitches are
> consistent enough to know they were definitely machine made. There
> is tape
> on the outside so I expect that your idea of attaching the cloth
> (a small
> piece) to the frame and then doping the rest of the cloth to it is
> probably
> how it was done.
>
> Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn
> Matteson
> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 7:56 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Small Side window?
>
>
> Look at it again, Noel, and you may find that the windows were sewn
> onto a "flange" of fabric which is then glued...with Poly-tak...to
> the fuselage tubes. It's been two years since I did this area of my
> plane, so I may have forgotten just what got glued to what, but
> that's the method of attachment that my windows came with.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Grass Lake, Michigan
> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
> flying w/487+ hrs/down for annual
>
>
> On Apr 8, 2008, at 4:57 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
>> Is it possible to dope it in the same as inspection hole
>> strengtheners are?
>>
>>
>>
>> The guy who built my plane sewed my rear windows in.
>>
>>
>>
>> Noel
>>
>>
>>
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-
>> list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Christensen
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 12:17 PM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Small Side window?
>>
>>
>>
>> The small side window on my Kitfox III partly came loose. What
>> kind of glue should I use to re-attach?
>>
>>
>>
>> Pete
>>
>> Kitfox III N73BH
>>
>> Hell Paso, TX
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-Listhttp://
>> forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: Small Side window? |
When I ordered my Classic 4 in 1994 the sewn-in side windows were an option. The
manual instructions at that time for the standard poly-carb window was to attach
the window to the inside of the fabric with Poly-tak. I wanted to be able
to easily replace mine if needed in the future so I cut out an aluminum frame
that I Poly-Tacked to the inside of the fabric and riveted the window to the
frame.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=176146#176146
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| Subject: | Re: Enough already? |
At 03:58 AM 4/11/2008, you wrote:
>Yup, I agree. You can sure spout it out. Dave, a little
>occasional self-applauding is okay, but a steady diet of it force
>fed on a captive audience is very boring! I lost interest in your
>daily narcissistic and self important posts and "videos" over a year
>ago. Oh, one more thing. It's spelled Subaru. Enough, okay?
Deke,
Please do not respond in this manner ON THE LIST. Please
send these messages, if you must, DIRECT.
Guy Buchanan, Kitfox List Moderator
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Patching Hanger Rash |
peteohms wrote:
> Ok, got my new (to me) Kitfox III home and need to fix a couple small holes
> in the side of the fuselage. The plane was painted with Durethane. Now I'd
> like to just put a round patch on the inside to prevent the holes from
> growing and maybe later do something to the ouside, What should I use to
> install the inside patch. I figure some hardware store urethane. Any other
> suggestions? What will I need to do when I get around to fixing the outside?
>
> Pete
> Kitfox III N73BH
> Hell Paso, TX
Pete, I am not familiar with Durethane. Is that just the paint and does the fabric
system look like poly fiber? If it is poly fiber it is very easy to patch
small holes from the inside. Make a wood frame like a picture frame. Staple
a piece of fabric on the frame. Shrink the fabric with an iron at 300 to 350
degrees. Cur out silver dollar size patches with pinking shears. Attach the
patches to the inside of the fabric with poly brush.
Try to find someone in your area that has done some covering and has the poly fiber
supplies on hand. It would be kind of expensive to purchase. I can send
send you some fabric in the mail if you need some. I have lots of good sized
scraps left over you can have.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=176150#176150
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| Subject: | Re: Patching Hanger Rash |
Thanks Tom,
I have a local friend with all the supplies. It is initially poly fiber.
Sounds like a good way to go.
Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 8:21 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Patching Hanger Rash
>
>
> peteohms wrote:
>> Ok, got my new (to me) Kitfox III home and need to fix a couple small
>> holes
>> in the side of the fuselage. The plane was painted with Durethane. Now
>> I'd
>> like to just put a round patch on the inside to prevent the holes from
>> growing and maybe later do something to the ouside, What should I use to
>> install the inside patch. I figure some hardware store urethane. Any
>> other
>> suggestions? What will I need to do when I get around to fixing the
>> outside?
>>
>> Pete
>> Kitfox III N73BH
>> Hell Paso, TX
>
>
> Pete, I am not familiar with Durethane. Is that just the paint and does
> the fabric system look like poly fiber? If it is poly fiber it is very
> easy to patch small holes from the inside. Make a wood frame like a
> picture frame. Staple a piece of fabric on the frame. Shrink the fabric
> with an iron at 300 to 350 degrees. Cur out silver dollar size patches
> with pinking shears. Attach the patches to the inside of the fabric with
> poly brush.
>
> Try to find someone in your area that has done some covering and has the
> poly fiber supplies on hand. It would be kind of expensive to purchase.
> I can send send you some fabric in the mail if you need some. I have lots
> of good sized scraps left over you can have.
>
> --------
> Tom Jones
> Classic IV
> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
> Ellensburg, WA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=176150#176150
>
>
>
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| Subject: | CGS Prop blades Loose |
Good day all,
Just before the posts on the GSC prop blades, I took my 2 blade GSC off
my J3 Kitten. I wanted to buy a third blade in order to hang a 3 blade
prop. (I already have the 3 blade hub).
The folks at GCS offered to inspect my 2 blades and build the 3rd blade
to balance with the other 2.
Their inspection of my 2 blades showed that the blades were over
torqued in the past. ( I bought this plane used) They were right since
there was no gap between the hub halves.
GSC offered to return my blades, but recommended that I get new ones
because the blade's fibres at the roots were probably crushed and
therefore weakened.
I was a little disappointed that I would need a new prop, but safety
does come at a price.
Speaking of price, the good folks at GSC offered me a substantial
discount on 3 new blades, so now I am a proud new owner of a 3 blade
GSC prop for my J3 Kitten.
BTW, my Kitfox Classic IV is still in progress, I am building the spray
booth in my garage and will start painting when the weather is warmer.
Also, I am still looking for a prop. (ROTAX 912)
Any suggestions?
Doug Remoundos
Montreal, Canada
-----Original Message-----
From: Noel Loveys <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Sent: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 8:44 pm
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: CGS Prop blades Loose
When you get your new prop, calibrate your tach to make sure you are
putting
as much power as possible into the prop.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete
Christensen
Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CGS Prop blades Loose
<apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.net>
After doing a little research online, it turns out that the GSC props
are
only good for 5 years or 500 hours. This prop is 14 years old and has
probably 400 hours on it.
Pete
Kitfox III N73BH
PS. Yes I will be in church tomorrow.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Guy Buchanan" <bnn@nethere.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CGS Prop blades Loose
>
> At 12:28 PM 4/5/2008, you wrote:
>>Is there a fix or is the prop trash?
>
> Pete,
> Need more info. What prop? What's loose? I would say a close
> inspection after disassembly is certainly in order. More depends on
the
> prop and what's found.
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> San Diego, CA
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
>
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| Subject: | Series 5 flaperon |
Do any of you know of a left flaperon available for a Model V? I'm repairing my
plane and am in need.
Thanks,
Joel
Do Not Archive
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Joel Mapes Kitfox 5 912 ULS Aerocomp amphibs
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| Subject: | Re: Patching Hanger Rash |
DON'T try to polytak a patch underneath, unless you plan to repaint. I tried
that under aerothane, and what a mess. The aerothane was fine, but the polybrush/polyspray
under it melted which made the aerothane blister and
bubble up all over.
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Small Side window? |
That sounds like a good way to do it, Tom. I'm all for making things
replaceable, but I didn't think of your method at the time.
A friend of mine asked me how often I look out of that window, and I
really couldn't tell him, so while at the hangar today I sat in the
plane and looked around outside, and discovered I use it quite a bit
without really knowing it. Some folks just cover the area with
fabric, but when I did mine I figured I needed all the vision I could
stand.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/487+ hrs/down for annual
On Apr 11, 2008, at 10:07 AM, Tom Jones wrote:
>
> When I ordered my Classic 4 in 1994 the sewn-in side windows were
> an option. The manual instructions at that time for the standard
> poly-carb window was to attach the window to the inside of the
> fabric with Poly-tak. I wanted to be able to easily replace mine
> if needed in the future so I cut out an aluminum frame that I Poly-
> Tacked to the inside of the fabric and riveted the window to the
> frame.
>
> --------
> Tom Jones
> Classic IV
> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
> Ellensburg, WA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=176146#176146
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CGS Prop blades Loose |
I like the looks of a 2 blade wood prop. Isn't a 2 blade more efficient?
Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: <dpremgood@aim.com>
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 9:40 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: CGS Prop blades Loose
>
> Good day all,
>
> Just before the posts on the GSC prop blades, I took my 2 blade GSC off
> my J3 Kitten. I wanted to buy a third blade in order to hang a 3 blade
> prop. (I already have the 3 blade hub).
> The folks at GCS offered to inspect my 2 blades and build the 3rd blade
> to balance with the other 2.
> Their inspection of my 2 blades showed that the blades were over
> torqued in the past. ( I bought this plane used) They were right since
> there was no gap between the hub halves.
>
> GSC offered to return my blades, but recommended that I get new ones
> because the blade's fibres at the roots were probably crushed and
> therefore weakened.
>
> I was a little disappointed that I would need a new prop, but safety
> does come at a price.
>
> Speaking of price, the good folks at GSC offered me a substantial
> discount on 3 new blades, so now I am a proud new owner of a 3 blade
> GSC prop for my J3 Kitten.
>
> BTW, my Kitfox Classic IV is still in progress, I am building the spray
> booth in my garage and will start painting when the weather is warmer.
> Also, I am still looking for a prop. (ROTAX 912)
> Any suggestions?
>
> Doug Remoundos
> Montreal, Canada
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Noel Loveys <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 8:44 pm
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: CGS Prop blades Loose
>
>
> When you get your new prop, calibrate your tach to make sure you are
> putting
> as much power as possible into the prop.
>
> Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete
> Christensen
> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 6:05 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CGS Prop blades Loose
>
> <apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.net>
>
> After doing a little research online, it turns out that the GSC props
> are
> only good for 5 years or 500 hours. This prop is 14 years old and has
> probably 400 hours on it.
>
> Pete
> Kitfox III N73BH
>
> PS. Yes I will be in church tomorrow.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Guy Buchanan" <bnn@nethere.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 1:52 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CGS Prop blades Loose
>
>
>>
>> At 12:28 PM 4/5/2008, you wrote:
>>>Is there a fix or is the prop trash?
>>
>> Pete,
>> Need more info. What prop? What's loose? I would say a close
>> inspection after disassembly is certainly in order. More depends on
> the
>> prop and what's found.
>>
>>
>> Guy Buchanan
>> San Diego, CA
>> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Small Side window? |
Pete,
This same thing happened with my Model 3. Buesky Aviation makes a slick retrofit
kit for the side windows on the earlier models. This is what I used and the
look and usefulness of the window was greatly increased. The kit comes with
the plastic, aluminum frame and aluminum brackets for mounting. The instructions
leave a lot to be desired but the installation is dead simple...I think I
did it in an hour or so. Here is a link:
http://www.blueskyaviation.net/catalog.html
I have attached the best and only picture I have that shows (kind of) the windows
after installation. You can see how much larger thay are and how much more
light can be let in. Man, looking through the pics of my old Model 3 makes me
really miss that bird...
--------
Darin Hawkes
Series 7 (Painting)
914 Turbo
Kaysville, Utah
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| Subject: | Re: CGS Prop blades Loose |
No not necessarily.
If you need 3 blade that is better, a 2 blade will be larger in diameter or
chord, higher tip speed and lower aspect ratio isn't always better.
Look is one thing, vibes is other, and ground clearance.
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pete Christensen" <apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CGS Prop blades Loose
> <apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.net>
>
> I like the looks of a 2 blade wood prop. Isn't a 2 blade more efficient?
>
> Pete
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <dpremgood@aim.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 9:40 AM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: CGS Prop blades Loose
>
>
>>
>> Good day all,
>>
>> Just before the posts on the GSC prop blades, I took my 2 blade GSC off
>> my J3 Kitten. I wanted to buy a third blade in order to hang a 3 blade
>> prop. (I already have the 3 blade hub).
>> The folks at GCS offered to inspect my 2 blades and build the 3rd blade
>> to balance with the other 2.
>> Their inspection of my 2 blades showed that the blades were over torqued
>> in the past. ( I bought this plane used) They were right since there was
>> no gap between the hub halves.
>>
>> GSC offered to return my blades, but recommended that I get new ones
>> because the blade's fibres at the roots were probably crushed and
>> therefore weakened.
>>
>> I was a little disappointed that I would need a new prop, but safety does
>> come at a price.
>>
>> Speaking of price, the good folks at GSC offered me a substantial
>> discount on 3 new blades, so now I am a proud new owner of a 3 blade GSC
>> prop for my J3 Kitten.
>>
>> BTW, my Kitfox Classic IV is still in progress, I am building the spray
>> booth in my garage and will start painting when the weather is warmer.
>> Also, I am still looking for a prop. (ROTAX 912)
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>> Doug Remoundos
>> Montreal, Canada
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Noel Loveys <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 8:44 pm
>> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: CGS Prop blades Loose
>>
>>
>> When you get your new prop, calibrate your tach to make sure you are
>> putting
>> as much power as possible into the prop.
>>
>> Noel
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete
>> Christensen
>> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 6:05 PM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CGS Prop blades Loose
>>
>> <apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.net>
>>
>> After doing a little research online, it turns out that the GSC props are
>> only good for 5 years or 500 hours. This prop is 14 years old and has
>> probably 400 hours on it.
>>
>> Pete
>> Kitfox III N73BH
>>
>> PS. Yes I will be in church tomorrow.
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Guy Buchanan" <bnn@nethere.com>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 1:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CGS Prop blades Loose
>>
>>
>>>
>>> At 12:28 PM 4/5/2008, you wrote:
>>>>Is there a fix or is the prop trash?
>>>
>>> Pete,
>>> Need more info. What prop? What's loose? I would say a close
>>> inspection after disassembly is certainly in order. More depends on
>> the
>>> prop and what's found.
>>>
>>>
>>> Guy Buchanan
>>> San Diego, CA
>>> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> __________ NOD32 2838 (20080131) Information __________
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Small Side window? |
Darin,
Looks like the right solution.
Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 12:41 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Small Side window?
>
> Pete,
>
> This same thing happened with my Model 3. Buesky Aviation makes a slick
> retrofit kit for the side windows on the earlier models. This is what I
> used and the look and usefulness of the window was greatly increased. The
> kit comes with the plastic, aluminum frame and aluminum brackets for
> mounting. The instructions leave a lot to be desired but the installation
> is dead simple...I think I did it in an hour or so. Here is a link:
>
> http://www.blueskyaviation.net/catalog.html
>
> I have attached the best and only picture I have that shows (kind of) the
> windows after installation. You can see how much larger thay are and how
> much more light can be let in. Man, looking through the pics of my old
> Model 3 makes me really miss that bird...
>
> --------
> Darin Hawkes
> Series 7 (Painting)
> 914 Turbo
> Kaysville, Utah
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=176219#176219
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscf1087_209.jpg
>
>
>
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| Subject: | GSC Prop Blades Loose |
Hi Pete,
My understanding is that a larger diameter, slower turning prop is more
efficient.
My concerns going with a larger diameter prop were:
1) The torque curve for the ROTAX 503 really drops off at lower RPMs
2) Tip speeds would increase
3) There would be at least 2-3 inches less ground clearance.
(especially since I operate on skiis in the winter)
I was also limited to 60 inch 3 blade due to the prop inertia, since I
have a 503 with a B reduction gearbox.
I also like the looks of a 3 blade :-)
Doug
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| Subject: | Re: Small Side window? |
Darin-
Any air leaks around that setup?
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/487+ hrs/down for annual
do not archive
On Apr 11, 2008, at 2:41 PM, darinh wrote:
>
> Pete,
>
> This same thing happened with my Model 3. Buesky Aviation makes a
> slick retrofit kit for the side windows on the earlier models.
> This is what I used and the look and usefulness of the window was
> greatly increased. The kit comes with the plastic, aluminum frame
> and aluminum brackets for mounting. The instructions leave a lot
> to be desired but the installation is dead simple...I think I did
> it in an hour or so. Here is a link:
>
> http://www.blueskyaviation.net/catalog.html
>
> I have attached the best and only picture I have that shows (kind
> of) the windows after installation. You can see how much larger
> thay are and how much more light can be let in. Man, looking
> through the pics of my old Model 3 makes me really miss that bird...
>
> --------
> Darin Hawkes
> Series 7 (Painting)
> 914 Turbo
> Kaysville, Utah
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=176219#176219
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscf1087_209.jpg
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: GSC Prop Blades Loose |
I do too, Doug, and I can't imagine the P-40 with any other prop, but
I was told in my model airplane days that a 2-blade was more
efficient, and a single blade (club prop) even more so. I guess there
are other factors to consider, however.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/487+ hrs/down for annual
do not archive
On Apr 11, 2008, at 4:42 PM, dpremgood@aim.com wrote:
>
> I also like the looks of a 3 blade :-)
>
> Doug
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Draining Wing Tanks |
I bought my IV in NY and put it on a Rollback to get it home. It would have been
nice to have a brace on the unsupported part of the wing. I was trying to beat
the rain back so I bumped it up to 70 mph so that it did not get wet and made
it just fine. It only had 2 gal of fuel. I pulled it on by the tube gear with
the "Y" chain (see Photo) and one attached to the Scott tail wheel. Then put
a strap over the tail just in front of the fin with some blue foam in a roll
used for construction. I strapped the 2 front wheels and tied the stick back.
I also put foam over the ends of the wing so it did not fill with air. All went
off with out a hitch but would have liked to move it in a enclosed trailer
next time. What a great first plane to learn on.
--------
Lee Fritz in owings Mills Md. 2002 KitFox-IV Classic/912UL/Warp drive prop/100%
Complete (just adding the Extras now) /71 hours time on plane since Aug 07 "Have
your feet on the Pedals and keep reaching for the sky".
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Dave,
They are tan actually but i have not done a true test where i killed
power at cruise and landed and pulled a plug.
But no carbon build up.
I'ts warming up and all of the high EGT's were in cold winter so i
guess i may be about right now.
I always worry about any numbers over 1200. i have my red light
blinking at me if i get one over 1200.
I'd never let it go to 1250 but only because of book specs from rotax.
I have a 3 blade wharp that full open and level flight i get 6250 so it
is set more for cruise than climb.
6000 on the ground.
dave wrote:
>
>First question is what do your plugs look like ?
>
>With Stock rotax exhaust i run 3 rd notch spring,summer and fall. Winter time
I go to 4th notch, about 10 to 15% more fule and lower EGTS.
>
>1200 F in cruise i find is ok by my gauges leaving me with a sandy brown plug.
Member those guages are calibrated for 75F so at 25 F your EGT will show 1250F
and really the same as in summer at 1200 F when OAT is 75F .
>
>Also what is your prop set like for RPM ?
>WIDE OPEN THROTTLE ?
>STATIC On the ground
>
>
>Prop pitch has alot to do with EGTs as well.
>
>--------
>Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
>Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
>http://www.cfisher.com/
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=176020#176020
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Great Lakes Area Kitfox Fly In |
Great lakes Area Kitfox Fly-In.,,,Sunday May 11th 2008,where: Lake Field
Airport {CQA}Celina Ohio,west central Ohio.at 12:00 pm noon..FREE BBQ
lunch to any pilot flying there KF in to the Fly In.,and after lunch we
are having a BOMB Drop + SPOT Landing contest...if you do not have a
Kitfox fly In what you do have all are welcome.bring tie downs.you can
not miss us..Just look for the largest lake in Ohio.and that would be
Grand Lake St.Marys.we are at the south west corner of the lake.come and
be with your Kitfox family for a fun day..CQA is home base airport to
STEVE SHINABERY N554KF KF2 my home email address is Shinco@bright.net
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| Subject: | Re: Small Side window? |
Lynn,
I used some 1/16" adhesive backed neoprene foam tape and it sealed very well.
Don't remember any air leaks from the windows at all.
--------
Darin Hawkes
Series 7 (Painting)
914 Turbo
Kaysville, Utah
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| Subject: | Windshield Fit Help Model 7 |
Near new LP Acrylic windshield beyond tight fit near top of the door frame near
spar. Does not allow formed openings to fit anywhere close to the front spar
(1 1/4") and not back far enough on to fit plastic to the rib. Bent upper window
frame area near door slightly to match curvature of windshield already.
It's near 80 degrees today and out in the sun to give you the weather forecast
on the windshield. Looked up my receipt for what I paid and would rather
do it right. Did I mention this will be my 2nd windshield. First was second
hand and died before install.
George
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| Subject: | Re: Short field take off : was 6" extension |
Guy, I am only adding to the comments that were made from Deke.
I get numerous mails sent to me laughing at the way you guys handle this forum.
Why not start a poll or vote on moderators without an attitude ?
See the way I see it only the self appointed moderators can post criticism ?
Correct me if I am wrong, but you don't see me talking about my 27 years of aviation
and how many hundreds of kitfox hours i have to puff out my chest. If
I did I would be talking thousand of hours ,ratings, endorsements etc.........
- I post stuff to help others not steal the limelight from certain people
. Just ask John Mc bean if I promote Kitfox flying or not ? I guarantee you
that I am an attribute to his business as we all are.
Hell, I fly a Kitfox the way it was designed to fly , I can guarantee you that
I and not the only one that flys them this way either. I can also guarantee
you that many should learn to fly their airplane better just so they can enjoy
them to the MAX.
Why not we all try to get along eh ? You were the one who was taking 700 feet
to take off if I recalll? I did the videos in the first place to show you
that you must have had something wring with your plane or flying to make such
long take offs.
--------
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
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| Subject: | Re: CGS Prop blades Loose |
I find the 2 blade prop is more efficient but the next guy will say that
three is better its your own preference
Ellery in Maine
do not archive
In a message dated 4/11/2008 2:04:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.net writes:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Pete Christensen"
<apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.net>
I like the looks of a 2 blade wood prop. Isn't a 2 blade more efficient?
Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: <dpremgood@aim.com>
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 9:40 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: CGS Prop blades Loose
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: dpremgood@aim.com
>
> Good day all,
>
> Just before the posts on the GSC prop blades, I took my 2 blade GSC off
> my J3 Kitten. I wanted to buy a third blade in order to hang a 3 blade
> prop. (I already have the 3 blade hub).
> The folks at GCS offered to inspect my 2 blades and build the 3rd blade
> to balance with the other 2.
> Their inspection of my 2 blades showed that the blades were over
> torqued in the past. ( I bought this plane used) They were right since
> there was no gap between the hub halves.
>
> GSC offered to return my blades, but recommended that I get new ones
> because the blade's fibres at the roots were probably crushed and
> therefore weakened.
>
> I was a little disappointed that I would need a new prop, but safety
> does come at a price.
>
> Speaking of price, the good folks at GSC offered me a substantial
> discount on 3 new blades, so now I am a proud new owner of a 3 blade
> GSC prop for my J3 Kitten.
>
> BTW, my Kitfox Classic IV is still in progress, I am building the spray
> booth in my garage and will start painting when the weather is warmer.
> Also, I am still looking for a prop. (ROTAX 912)
> Any suggestions?
>
> Doug Remoundos
> Montreal, Canada
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Noel Loveys <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 8:44 pm
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: CGS Prop blades Loose
>
>
> When you get your new prop, calibrate your tach to make sure you are
> putting
> as much power as possible into the prop.
>
> Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete
> Christensen
> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 6:05 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CGS Prop blades Loose
>
> <apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.net>
>
> After doing a little research online, it turns out that the GSC props
> are
> only good for 5 years or 500 hours. This prop is 14 years old and has
> probably 400 hours on it.
>
> Pete
> Kitfox III N73BH
>
> PS. Yes I will be in church tomorrow.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Guy Buchanan" <bnn@nethere.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 1:52 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CGS Prop blades Loose
>
>
>>
>> At 12:28 PM 4/5/2008, you wrote:
>>>Is there a fix or is the prop trash?
>>
>> Pete,
>> Need more info. What prop? What's loose? I would say a close
>> inspection after disassembly is certainly in order. More depends on
> the
>> prop and what's found.
>>
>>
>> Guy Buchanan
>> San Diego, CA
>> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Short field take off : was 6" extension |
Guy and all,
With all due respect, I agree with Dave. Let this forum post results. I appreciate
Dave and others who may agree or disagree with my perspective. Gosh -
how would we ever learn, grow, or have any revelations if we were only exposed
to our own opinion expressed by others. Dave can obviously prove what he claims.
You can see it. If you don't want to fly that way - fine don't. Many
of us do. I personally want to fly the airplane to the limit the designer intended.
When I find something that works/helps - I post it. Hence this thread
to start off with. Perhaps others will benefit from my experience. As a bonus,
I find that not only do I learn from what I discovered, but also form this
list especially when people take issue with what I report or thought that I knew.
Most recently was again this thread. I thought that the fastest way off
the ground is 3 point full flap. I know it is for me and assumed it was for
all. But through the thread I learned that others can do it with the tail up.
Made me go back and try harder, read more, learn and come to my own conclusions
- I can take off shorter with my airplane in the said configuration. Granted
I don't have to force that down your throat, but the acceptance or not by
the group or individual doesn't make the findings less true.
If some get offended, then like much in life - oh well. Don't read the thread
or post, or read it knowing that you may disagree. Please don't sensor member
opinions. Just attack the spam stuff. I do think that when one posts - one
should be able to substantiate their claim. But we also need the freedom to
post. One of the responsibilities of being a member of this great group or any
other in life is the freedom to be offended without crying for blood. We all
have different thresholds and have to respect that.
I think that I am starting to ramble on now. Thank you for allowing me to try
to express myself. I hope that I was able to communicate my perspective with
offense or/and rambling.
Go Fly!
larry
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| Subject: | Lets all hold it a minute |
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| Subject: | Windshield Fit Help Model 7 |
Try making a construction paper template. Go very slow. I like the
small hand belt sander for fitting plexi glass. Harbor freight use to
carry them. The belt is about 5 too 6 inched long and maybe 3/8 wide.
You can mark a tape line and then grind right to it. Of course this
whole process is problematic if the initial fitting is to far off.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of SUE
MICHAELS
Sent: 2008-04-11 17:45
Subject: Kitfox-List: Windshield Fit Help Model 7
Near new LP Acrylic windshield beyond tight fit near top of the door
frame near spar. Does not allow formed openings to fit anywhere close to
the front spar (1 1/4") and not back far enough on to fit plastic to the
rib. Bent upper window frame area near door slightly to match curvature
of windshield already. It's near 80 degrees today and out in the
sun to give you the weather forecast on the windshield. Looked up my
receipt for what I paid and would rather do it right. Did I mention
this will be my 2nd windshield. First was second hand and died before
install.
George
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| Subject: | Got your attention |
We need to slow it down again. What are the new people watching the list
waiting to buy thinking. Moderators are not all knowing. The only ones
that know it all are sitting at home talking about it. It is hard enough
to get started with a kit let alone being intimidated by know it all
people. Yes there are people that know a lot of info. That info is not
etched in stone. That is why the group is here ( I hope ) to keep
learning and helping. Even the future builders and current builders can
teach us all. New Eyes. That is how I look at it. So let us reasure our
furture builders it is all ok. Let our current builders know it is all
ok. Moderators, be careful how you do things. Aviator attitude is what
took me 30 years to even think about learning how to fly, they have an
arogant attitude. There are kits out there to be finished. Lets get
those done and get more started.
PS (I still need a motor)
Albert Smith
MudLake, Idaho
5TD, NSIT, CAP
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| Subject: | Was short field "new for hold it a minute" |
We need to slow it down again. What are the new people watching the list
waiting to buy thinking. Moderators are not all knowing. The only ones that
know it all are sitting at home talking about it. It is hard enough to get
started with a kit let alone being intimidated by know it all people. Yes
there are people that know a lot of info. That info is not etched in stone.
That is why the group is here ( I hope ) to keep learning and helping. Even
the future builders and current builders can teach us all. New Eyes. That is
how I look at it. So let us reasure our furture builders it is all ok. Let
our current builders know it is all ok. Moderators, be careful how you do
things. Aviator attitude is what took me 30 years to even think about
learning how to fly, they have an arogant attitude. There are kits out there
to be finished. Lets get those done and get more started.
PS (I still need a motor)
Albert Smith
MudLake, Idaho
5TD, NSIT, CAP
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| Subject: | Re: Patching Hanger Rash |
That is why this morning I said to remove the finish coats and dope the
patch onto the outside of the hole. Then shrink the patch and finish as
normal. Also if there are several holes in the same area it is much cleaner
to remove the whole area. E.g. for three or four holes together on the top
of a wing remove a strip inside the ribs across the whole top of the wing.
When the patch is applied and taped You won't even notice it.
Depending on the hole it is also possible, even advisable to stitch up the
wing with a herringbone stitch and cover it with a tape which can be shrunk
and finished.
Trying to glue pre-finished pieces of cloth inside a wing or rudder... good
luck... you'll need it!
Sigtaturea
Noel Loveys
Campbellton, NL, Canada
CDN AME intern, PP-Rec
C-FINB, Kitfox III-A
582 B box, Ivo IFA, Aerocet 1100 floats
noelloveys@yahoo.ca
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of n85ae
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 2:49 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Patching Hanger Rash
DON'T try to polytak a patch underneath, unless you plan to repaint. I tried
that under aerothane, and what a mess. The aerothane was fine, but the
polybrush/polyspray under it melted which made the aerothane blister and
bubble up all over.
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Small Side window? |
If the rear windows in my plane ever break I'll just replace them with
cloth. You really can't see out through them they do allow a certain amount
of light to get into the back of the plane and they do add to the look of
the plane but they're not really necessary.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Small Side window?
That sounds like a good way to do it, Tom. I'm all for making things
replaceable, but I didn't think of your method at the time.
A friend of mine asked me how often I look out of that window, and I
really couldn't tell him, so while at the hangar today I sat in the
plane and looked around outside, and discovered I use it quite a bit
without really knowing it. Some folks just cover the area with
fabric, but when I did mine I figured I needed all the vision I could
stand.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/487+ hrs/down for annual
On Apr 11, 2008, at 10:07 AM, Tom Jones wrote:
>
> When I ordered my Classic 4 in 1994 the sewn-in side windows were
> an option. The manual instructions at that time for the standard
> poly-carb window was to attach the window to the inside of the
> fabric with Poly-tak. I wanted to be able to easily replace mine
> if needed in the future so I cut out an aluminum frame that I Poly-
> Tacked to the inside of the fabric and riveted the window to the
> frame.
>
> --------
> Tom Jones
> Classic IV
> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
> Ellensburg, WA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=176146#176146
>
>
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| Subject: | CGS Prop blades Loose |
Most efficient is a single blade... Very few of those out there. They are
mostly used on motor sailplanes which have retractable engines of limited
power. I agree that a nice carved laminated wood prop is a thing of beauty!
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete
Christensen
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CGS Prop blades Loose
<apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.net>
I like the looks of a 2 blade wood prop. Isn't a 2 blade more efficient?
Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: <dpremgood@aim.com>
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 9:40 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: CGS Prop blades Loose
>
> Good day all,
>
> Just before the posts on the GSC prop blades, I took my 2 blade GSC off
> my J3 Kitten. I wanted to buy a third blade in order to hang a 3 blade
> prop. (I already have the 3 blade hub).
> The folks at GCS offered to inspect my 2 blades and build the 3rd blade
> to balance with the other 2.
> Their inspection of my 2 blades showed that the blades were over
> torqued in the past. ( I bought this plane used) They were right since
> there was no gap between the hub halves.
>
> GSC offered to return my blades, but recommended that I get new ones
> because the blade's fibres at the roots were probably crushed and
> therefore weakened.
>
> I was a little disappointed that I would need a new prop, but safety
> does come at a price.
>
> Speaking of price, the good folks at GSC offered me a substantial
> discount on 3 new blades, so now I am a proud new owner of a 3 blade
> GSC prop for my J3 Kitten.
>
> BTW, my Kitfox Classic IV is still in progress, I am building the spray
> booth in my garage and will start painting when the weather is warmer.
> Also, I am still looking for a prop. (ROTAX 912)
> Any suggestions?
>
> Doug Remoundos
> Montreal, Canada
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Noel Loveys <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 8:44 pm
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: CGS Prop blades Loose
>
>
> When you get your new prop, calibrate your tach to make sure you are
> putting
> as much power as possible into the prop.
>
> Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete
> Christensen
> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 6:05 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CGS Prop blades Loose
>
> <apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.net>
>
> After doing a little research online, it turns out that the GSC props
> are
> only good for 5 years or 500 hours. This prop is 14 years old and has
> probably 400 hours on it.
>
> Pete
> Kitfox III N73BH
>
> PS. Yes I will be in church tomorrow.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Guy Buchanan" <bnn@nethere.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 1:52 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CGS Prop blades Loose
>
>
>>
>> At 12:28 PM 4/5/2008, you wrote:
>>>Is there a fix or is the prop trash?
>>
>> Pete,
>> Need more info. What prop? What's loose? I would say a close
>> inspection after disassembly is certainly in order. More depends on
> the
>> prop and what's found.
>>
>>
>> Guy Buchanan
>> San Diego, CA
>> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Small Side window? |
Noel,
I agree with you but I have seen a couple of Foxes where the builder has done this
and in my opinion it looks a bit odd. Besides, to cover this area, seal,
prime and paint, you would have much more effort and time into it than simply
replacing the windows. Just my opinion, to each his own.
--------
Darin Hawkes
Series 7 (Painting)
914 Turbo
Kaysville, Utah
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| Subject: | Re: Was short field "new for hold it a minute" |
Albert,
Spot on Albert...new builders need not worry about the banter that goes on on this
list as I would be willing to bet that 99.9% of it is simply our testosterone
coming out because we are hidden in our little dens behind our computer and
know we don't have to face the person on the other end (Wow, how manly we can
be [Wink] ). What I am trying to say is that it is my opinion that if we
were all in a big room or around a campfire we would be all be throwing back a
couple, telling lies and enjoying each others company as friends and fellow Kitfox
owners, builders and pilots. I think most of us adults understand this
and simply let our emotions get the best of us sometimes.
--------
Darin Hawkes
Series 7 (Painting)
914 Turbo
Kaysville, Utah
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| Subject: | Re: CGS Prop blades Loose |
My experience with a 68 inch three blade GSC versus a 72 inch two blade Warp on
a 503, with a 3:1 C reduction box on a Classic 4 is the three blade was smoother...the
two blade better climb and faster cruise.
I need every ounce of thrust I can get from the 503 so for me the two blade is
the prop of choice.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | GSC Prop Blades Loose |
Lynn:
What we were told in school was that a single blade is always cutting into
clear undisturbed air. As you add blades the air each blade cuts into
becomes more and more disturbed. This is what caused the loss of
efficiency.
Multiple blades do however allow you to handle higher power loads at smaller
diameters. The P51-D is one plane I can remember seeing with a four blade
prop that was able to soak up the full 1800 +- horsepower of the Rolls Royce
Merlin engine! Props on the PBY, also in the 1800 hp range were only three
blades but I assume are much larger.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: GSC Prop Blades Loose
I do too, Doug, and I can't imagine the P-40 with any other prop, but
I was told in my model airplane days that a 2-blade was more
efficient, and a single blade (club prop) even more so. I guess there
are other factors to consider, however.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/487+ hrs/down for annual
do not archive
On Apr 11, 2008, at 4:42 PM, dpremgood@aim.com wrote:
>
> I also like the looks of a 3 blade :-)
>
> Doug
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Was short field "new for hold it a minute" |
Perfect answer
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| Subject: | Re: Short field take off : was 6" extension |
Dave sez:
>Guy, I am only adding to the comments that were made from Deke.
No, you were telling Deke to put up or shut up. Deke told you how
his airplane performs and you demanded that he post a video to prove
it to you. That's the way juveniles behave. If you don't believe
him, that's your prerogative.
>I get numerous mails sent to me laughing at the way you guys handle
>this forum. Why not start a poll or vote on moderators without an
>attitude ?
Excuse us if we don't care. This forum is run for the benefit of the
subscribers and that requires that every member behave like an adult.
It's not a popularity contest. If you want to start your own list
you'd be free to choose the moderators in any way that you wish.
>See the way I see it only the self appointed moderators can post criticism ?
Anyone can post criticism as long as it is respectful of others. Guy
felt you crossed the line and I agree with him.
Guy and I were not self-appointed, we were selected by the out-going
moderators and we will choose our successors. We were not chosen to
be likeable nor were we chosen to run a democracy--we were chosen to
run the list and keep it healthy. Based on the number of subscribers
we get every week, it seems to be working.
>...you don't see me talking about my 27 years of aviation and how
>many hundreds of kitfox hours i have to puff out my chest.
Credentials are not what is relevant here, it is behavior.
>Why not we all try to get along eh ?
Good idea. Treat Deke and all others on the list with respect and
we'll get along just fine. Be a smart ass and we have no room for
you.
Mike G.
Kitfox List Moderator
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| Subject: | Re: Short field take off : was 6" extension |
I tried to post some creative crit., Got ripped from one person. This list
will die if we do not stop the nitpicking. Some of you people are a bad
thing. Yes, get over it. You fly, you do not know everything, quite trying
to prove to us short timers that you are aviatiors of the experimential
nature, You are not. Just help us get these stupid kits in the air that
everyone we buy parts from lies to us about. In the end, WE JUST WANT TO
FLY.
Albert
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| Subject: | Re: Short field take off : was 6" extension |
Thank you Albert, I hope you feel better. Now, let's get back to
talking about Kitfoxes.
Mike G.
Kitfox List Moderator
>
>I tried to post some creative crit...Got ripped...This list will
>die...Just help us get these stupid kits in the air...everyone we
>buy parts from lies to us about...
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