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1. 02:03 AM - Re: Re: Ethanol removal? (Michel Verheughe)
2. 02:18 AM - Re: Ethanol removal? (JC Propeller Design)
3. 02:21 AM - Re: Ethanol removal? (dave)
4. 05:15 AM - Re: Ethanol removal? (Noel Loveys)
5. 07:01 AM - Re: Ethanol removal? (JC Propeller Design)
6. 08:35 AM - Re: Re: Ethanol removal? (paul wilson)
7. 08:40 AM - Vixen Kit For Sale (Mike & Kathy Pfeifer)
8. 08:47 AM - Re: Re: Small Side window? (Cudnohufsky's)
9. 08:51 AM - Re: Cutting a windshield (Cudnohufsky's)
10. 08:57 AM - Re: Re: Ethanol removal? (Clint Bazzill)
11. 04:23 PM - alcohol in fuel - fiber glass tanks (droadrunner)
12. 07:14 PM - Re: Re: Ethanol removal? (Noel Loveys)
13. 09:25 PM - Re: Cutting a windshield (Guy Buchanan)
14. 09:25 PM - Re: Re: Small Side window? (Guy Buchanan)
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| Subject: | Re: Ethanol removal? |
> From: wingnut [wingnut@spamarrest.com]
> A couple months after that, I started getting some crud from my gascolator
> which turned out to be rust on the gascolator bowl.
Luis, several years ago I had an old car which developed a hole in the fuel tank.
Because it was already an old wreck, I decided to simply glassfiber the hole
but I had first to empty the tank since it was leaking fuel. It was sub-zero
temperature in winter Norway and it was interesting to see that the fuel I recuperated
in a bucket had small ice balls in it. The water from condensation in
the tank. The reason why my tank started to leak through the rusty hole that
was forming at the tank's lowest point.
I was then told that, in order to remove the water condensation from my tank I
had to use once in a while "kondensfjaerner" (condensation remover) that is sold
in all the petrol stations and that is simply ... ethanol. Once in the tank,
it mixes with whatever water drops there is an is going through the engine with
the rest of the fuel.
The practice of adding "condense remover" to petrol is mostly done during the winter,
here in Norway. Because another side effect of ice droplets in the fuel
is that it can block the fuel line or carburettor and stop the engine.
Disclaimer: I know very little about engines, I am merely telling what I experienced
and what I have been told. :-)
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Re: Ethanol removal? |
Here in Sweden we have had AVGAS 92/96 UL unleaded for 25 years or more.
We use it with 25% 100LL for the motorglider with Limbach (VW) engine
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 2:44 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ethanol removal?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 4:34 PM
>>
>> Best answer it to not use ethanol for fuel.
>>
>
> I probably agree with what you wrote, ( I only scanned the list) But the
> ethanol is in the mix and I've never seen a legislative assembly listen to
> sense as carefully as they listen for the sound of money. That leaves us
> with possibly ethanol contaminated road fuel and 100LL as practical
> choices. I think learning to cope with one or the other as issued is the
> best bet, simply can't see myself trying to wash the ethanol out of my
> fuel.
>
> I'm under the impression that there is work going on trying to create a
> lead free aviation fuel for GA, that should solve everybodys problems
> except for price.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ethanol removal? |
Here is a article that I di find on ethanol, it is positive and cetainly tells
you a bit about the gasoline, ethanol and how it works in auto engines.
Dave
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com
Like i continually say -- I have used thousands of gallons in my Kitfox gas, ethanol
gas or what ever they sell me as regular gas and so far I have had ZERO
issues. IF you have had issues with ethanol Let's hear about it , if not we
seem to be beating a dead horse here?
There's been a lot of questions about the use of ethanol blended fuels in the last
couple of years and I have done some research into it. Here in Minnesota 10%
ethanol has been mandatory for over two years and I have not seen any adverse
problems to car engines due to it's use.
First of all, what is ethanol? Fuel ethanol (or 'Gasohol') is a high octane,
water-free alcohol produced from the fermentation of sugar or converted starch.
It is traditionally used as a blending ingredient at 5% to 10% concentrations
(termed E5 or E10, respectively) in gasoline or as a raw material to produce
high octane fuel ether additives. Ethanol is made primarily from grains or other
renewable agricultural and agroforestry feedstocks.
Ethanol has been made since ancient times by the fermentation of sugars. All
beverage ethanol and more than half of industrial ethanol is still made by this
process. Simple sugars are the raw material. Zymase, an enzyme from yeast,
changes the simple sugars into ethanol and carbon dioxide. If you use hops instead
of corn, you get beer instead of fuel.
The use of ethanol does provide some benefits. First of all it is renewable.
The problem with crude oil is when it's gone, it's gone. No more, finished, kaput,
finis. 1 acre corn = 300 gallons of Ethanol and 400 gallons of unneeded
oil imports. Ethanol is made from corn and other grown grains and when was the
last time you saw a year where there wasn't any corn around? Since it contains
a high amount of oxygen it makes a car engine cleaner burning resulting in a
cleaner environment for us to live in. Carbon dioxide emissions are lower thus
reducing ground level ozone which people with respiratory problems will be the
first to tell you is a problem.
The emissions produced by burning ethanol are less reactive with sunlight than
those produced by burning gasoline. This results in a lower potential for damaging
the ozone layer. The use of ethanol reduces our dependance on imported
oil and increases the market for farmers who grow the grains we use to produce
ethanol. Now we can stop paying farmers not grow crops and use their excess
production as fuel.
Of course there are some by-products of ethanol production that have to be dealt
with. By-products such as corn flour, corn oil, corn meal and corn grits.
Other by-products are animal feeds such as Fibrotein TM, corn gluten meal and
feed and certain amino acids. Carbon dioxide is another by-product in ethanol
production and is used as a refrigerant and putting the fizz in our sodas. There
are no waste products when ethanol is produced from corn.
It is possible, with certain engine modifications, to run on pure ethanol. Brazil
operates almost 50% of their vehicles on pure ethanol. A 10% blend requires
no engine modifications at all. There is a very limited selection of vehicles
offered by original equipment manufacturers that will run on 85% ethanol blended
fuel.
Car owners are concerned about what effects ethanol will have on their engines
and fuel systems, a valid concern. Let me take this a step at a time.
Ethanol As A Fuel
New car warranties.
Ethanol began being used in 1979 and auto manufactures did not address the use
of ethanol blended fuels. Then when they began testing their vehicles with the
new blended fuels, they were able to approve the use of the 10% ethanol blended
fuels. Some went as far as to recommend the new blended fuels in their vehicles.
Do I have to do anything to my engine to use a 10% ethanol fuel?
All engines built from 1970 can use the 10% ethanol blended fuels with no problems
or modifications. A carbureted engine may need an adjustment to take full
advantage of the fuel.
Will the new fuels work in a fuel injected engine?
It sure will. At first you may need to change the fuel filter more often as the
ethanol cleans out the fuel system, but once that is done fuel filter replacement
will go back to normal.
Ethanol can loosen contaminants and residues that have been deposited by previous
gasoline fills. These can collect in the fuel filter. This problem has happened
occasionally in older cars, and can easily be corrected by changing fuel
filters. Since 1985 all ethanol blended fuels and most non-blended fuels have
had detergents added to them to keep fuel injectors clean and prevent deposits
that could clog them.
Will adding a gas line anti-freeze cause problems?
Gas line anti-freezes are made from ethanol, methanol or isopropyl alcohol to absorb
water in the fuel and keep it from freezing. That one little bottle of gas
line anti-freeze is about 0.3% of the volume of a full gas tank. With a 10%
ethanol blended fuel, it's 10% so it will absorb a lot more water and you'll
never have to worry about a frozen fuel line. Now you don't have to worry about
buying it, keeping it in the trunk and adding it to the tank when you fill up.
What about my valves?
Not to worry, ethanol burns cooler than straight gasoline helping to keep the valves
cool. This is the main reason that high powered racing engines burn straight
alcohol.
Will ethanol hurt my older engine designed for leaded gas?
No. The concern about older engines came about because of the lead phase-out. Lead
oxides that were formed during combustion provided a cushion that reduced
wear on non-case-hardened valve seats. Therefore, it is the absence of lead, not
the presence of ethanol, that is of concern.
Why do some mechanics say not to use ethanol?
A mechanic who says not to use ethanol does not have correct information. There
is very little information available for mechanics on fuel formulation, so when
there appears to be a fuel-related problem with an engine, some mechanics will
immediately ask if ethanol has been used. The only reason ethanol is suspected
is that in many states it is the only gasoline component other than lead
that has an identifying label. In North Dakota, New Mexico, and Idaho, ethanol
proponents have offered a $100 reward to any customer who can document damage
from ethanol to his or her car, and so far no one has ever collected.
Okay, what about my gas milage?
At the very worst it will be very slight. Ethanol contains 97% of the energy that
pure gasoline has. But because the combustion efficiency is increased, the
slight reduction in energy content is compensated for. Most users will not notice
the decrease, if any, and many people have reported an increase in fuel milage.
Can I use it in my lawn mower?
No, you'll have to stop mowing the lawn every week. Only kidding, I thought I saw
a few people smile at that prospect. The answer is yes, you can use the 10%
ethanol blended fuels anywhere you use regular unleaded fuel. It can be used
in any lawn mower, snow plow, snowmobile, ATV and any other gas powered engine.
There may be some carburetor adjustment needed, so always refer to your equipments
owners manual before using it.
Can I use it in diesel engine?
No, Diesel fuel and ethanol don't mix. Besides which gasoline is an octane fuel
while diesel fuel is a cetain fuel.
Ethanol is a very safe fuel, if you spill it it will not contaminate the ground
water. If you drink it, you'll get drunk. Although if you drink large quantities
you will suffer liver damage. In fact, if you drink just about any alcoholic
beverage, you're drinking ethanol in one form or another. I was hard pressed
to find any down sides to the use of ethanol as a fuel. There are reports
that the emissions of an ethanol burning engine can adversely effect plant life,
but studies are still being conducted to prove or disprove this.
Copyright 2000 - 2003 Vincent T. Ciulla All Rights Reserved
--------
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=176510#176510
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| Subject: | Ethanol removal? |
I'm waiting for someone to come up with a treatment to remove the lead from
100LL. Using TCP may help with a four stroke but does nothing to prevent
lead plating on the main bearings of a two stroke.
If I could afford it I'd install a Diesel. They say the Smart (C) three
cylinder turbo diesel can be chipped to produce 65 reliable horsepower at
around the same weight as a 912. There are other auto Diesels in Europe
that are around the 80 hp neighbourhood.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave G.
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ethanol removal?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 4:34 PM
>
> Best answer it to not use ethanol for fuel.
>
I probably agree with what you wrote, ( I only scanned the list) But the
ethanol is in the mix and I've never seen a legislative assembly listen to
sense as carefully as they listen for the sound of money. That leaves us
with possibly ethanol contaminated road fuel and 100LL as practical choices.
I think learning to cope with one or the other as issued is the best bet,
simply can't see myself trying to wash the ethanol out of my fuel.
I'm under the impression that there is work going on trying to create a lead
free aviation fuel for GA, that should solve everybodys problems except for
price.
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| Subject: | Re: Ethanol removal? |
The Coming Gemini 100 diesel 3cyl (6 piston) 75 kg/150Lb looks promising
http://ppdgemini.com/
http://www.amtonline.com/publication/article.jsp?pubId=1&id=4434&page
Num=1
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: Noel Loveys
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 2:12 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Ethanol removal?
I'm waiting for someone to come up with a treatment to remove the lead
from 100LL. Using TCP may help with a four stroke but does nothing to
prevent lead plating on the main bearings of a two stroke.
If I could afford it I'd install a Diesel. They say the Smart (C)
three cylinder turbo diesel can be chipped to produce 65 reliable
horsepower at around the same weight as a 912. There are other auto
Diesels in Europe that are around the 80 hp neighbourhood.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave G.
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 10:14 PM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ethanol removal?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 4:34 PM
>
> Best answer it to not use ethanol for fuel.
>
I probably agree with what you wrote, ( I only scanned the list) But
the
ethanol is in the mix and I've never seen a legislative assembly
listen to
sense as carefully as they listen for the sound of money. That leaves
us
with possibly ethanol contaminated road fuel and 100LL as practical
choices.
I think learning to cope with one or the other as issued is the best
bet,
simply can't see myself trying to wash the ethanol out of my fuel.
I'm under the impression that there is work going on trying to create
a lead
free aviation fuel for GA, that should solve everybodys problems
except for
price.
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| Subject: | Re: Ethanol removal? |
Clint,
You are very fortunate. Its not the mil spec hoses you use that save
the bacon, but that you buy your auto fuel in a region that does not
use the additives that eat/dissolve the mil spec hoses. And if you
travel across the country you are bound to get the undesirable fuel.
But then a small amount of the bad stuff probably is not a big deal.
It the continuous wetting of the hoses that is an issue. I did a test
with the mil hoses that came with the kit by submerging samples in
the local fuel here in n-CO and after 2 years I saw no issues but
others did the same test with their local fuel and the hoses swelled
and deteriorated significantly.
Paul
================
At 09:26 PM 4/12/2008, you wrote:
>You must be using a different mil spec fuel line then mine. Just
>put in 2 new shut off valves, fuel line removed you couldn't tell
>from new. 1313 hours
>
>Clint
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| Subject: | Vixen Kit For Sale |
For Sale Kitfox Vixen Kit
This is a partially complete Series 5, tri-gear, purchased in early 1995
with a few factory upgrades/options included such as a fully powdered
coated (light blue) fuselage, tail structure and wing struts which is
essentially all the steel parts of the airframe, dual adjustable rudder
pedals, dual brakes and upper/lower false wing ribs. The original cost was
just under $15K and since then I have added a few things such as a second
fuel tank (now has a total of 26 gal), a strengthened nose wheel strut as a
result of a service bulletin, stainless steel firewall, custom throttle
quadrant (this is related to a dual carb engine), low fuel sensor system,
dual Facet fuel pumps and associated wing tank plumbing and filters, a used
fiberglass engine cowling, sound proofing material and some miscellaneous
hardware. I have kept a log of my build activities along with a number of
photographs detailing the construction. The kit has been assembled
according to the factory supplied instructions and with the exception of
installing the necessary wiring for instruments, lights, strobes etc. is
generally ready for fabric covering. All the necessary Poly Fiber covering
fabric is part of the kit along with Poly-Tak cement, Poly-Brush and Poly
Spray coatings, however, these are now over ten years old and while there
is no shelf-life specified, a sample covering job should be done to confirm
their continued viability. I also have new in the box an ICOM IC-A200 radio
and an Ameri-King AK_450 ELT.
If any one is interested please contact me via e-mail at
<mailto:mkmbt@comcast.net> mkmbt@comcast.net or via phone at 303-770-1953.
This kit is located in the Denver, Colorado area.
Michael Pfeifer
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| Subject: | Re: Small Side window? |
Guy,
Too late, all the glass is in, but just out of curiosity, how did you shade
them? My turtle deck was already shaded but the main windscreen is clear,
door glass is shaded.
Lloyd
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 5:53 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Small Side window?
At 09:03 AM 4/12/2008, you wrote:
>I am re-building a 5 now and am putting
>in as much window as I can, full Lexan doors, full Lexan turtle deck cover
>and small windows.
Lloyd,
Don't forget to shade the skylight and turtledeck before
installation. I wish I had.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Cutting a windshield |
All,
My experience is that the LP Aeroplastics will shatter if you try to cut
with snips at any thickness, the Lexan and Plexi I have cut with snips, you
still need to sand the edges because you will still get very slight crazing
on the edge from the snip cut.
Lloyd
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 6:17 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cutting a windshield
The Kitfox windshield from LP Aeroplastics is about 1/8" thick, and I
wouldn't even try to go after that with snips. The thinner stuff
might handle snipping, but the thicker stuff...at least the
windshield that I have wouldn't tolerate it. Are you talking about
material that is 1/8" thick or the stuff that Skystar sold as
windshield material and is only .093" thick or thinner, with the name
Hyzod on the protective covering?
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/487+ hrs/down for annual
On Apr 12, 2008, at 5:52 PM, Dee Young wrote:
> I have read mean posts about the cutting of Plexiglas and
> polycarbonate for windshields. I have cut two windshields, one from
> each of they materials for my Model II, both of which were cut
> with a good set of tin snips. I over cut, then trimmed and cleaned
> up the edges and corners with mill file. I have no crazing or
> cracking at the wing root or any other problems with this process.
> Its done quickly and easily.
>
> Dee Young
> Model II
> N345DY
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ethanol removal? |
That could very well be the problem. I only use Chevron High Test fuel if
auto gas is used. Other then that 100 High Lead avation type. Am going to
replace the fuel line next condition inspection, not quite sure what fuel
line to use. Nothing will be any better then what I have been using. At l
east up to this point.
Clint
ate: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 09:29:23 -0600> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> From:
pwmac@sisna.com> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Ethanol removal?> > --> Kitf
ox-List message posted by: paul wilson <pwmac@sisna.com>> > Clint,> You are
very fortunate. Its not the mil spec hoses you use that save > the bacon,
but that you buy your auto fuel in a region that does not > use the additiv
es that eat/dissolve the mil spec hoses. And if you > travel across the cou
ntry you are bound to get the undesirable fuel. > But then a small amount o
f the bad stuff probably is not a big deal. > It the continuous wetting of
the hoses that is an issue. I did a test > with the mil hoses that came wit
h the kit by submerging samples in > the local fuel here in n-CO and after
2 years I saw no issues but > others did the same test with their local fue
l and the hoses swelled > and deteriorated significantly.> Paul> ===
==============> At 09:26 PM 4/12/2008, you wrot
e:> >You must be using a different mil spec fuel line then mine. Just > >pu
t in 2 new shut off valves, fuel line removed you couldn't tell > >from new
==========> > >
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| Subject: | alcohol in fuel - fiber glass tanks |
Last summer I stopped at the Kitfox factory while
considering the purchase of a new kit and the issue of
the tanks with ethanol came up. I was told at that
time that they planned to take a tank and fill it with
pure alcohol to see what effect it would have? Anyone
know if it happened and/or the results of the factory
test?
Marlin
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| Subject: | Re: Ethanol removal? |
Line by line discussion coming up!
First of all, what is ethanol? Fuel ethanol (or 'Gasohol') is a high
octane, water-free alcohol produced from the fermentation of sugar or
converted starch. It is traditionally used as a blending ingredient at
5% to
10% concentrations (termed E5 or E10, respectively) in gasoline or as a
raw
material to produce high octane fuel ether additives. Ethanol is made
primarily from grains or other renewable agricultural and agroforestry
feedstocks.
The octane rating of ethanol is around 116 as for water free only
immediately after it has been distilledif it is sealed from moisture in
the
air which it will absorb like a sponge. It is made form feed stocks that
is
why the cost of food in the past six months has skyrocketed.
Ethanol has been made since ancient times by the fermentation of
sugars.
All beverage ethanol and more than half of industrial ethanol is still
made
by this process. Simple sugars are the raw material. Zymase, an enzyme
from
yeast, changes the simple sugars into ethanol and carbon dioxide. If you
use
hops instead of corn, you get beer instead of fuel.
Making a good beer is a bit harder than that...
The use of ethanol does provide some benefits. First of all it is
renewable. The problem with crude oil is when it's gone, it's gone. No
more,
finished, kaput, finis. 1 acre corn = 300 gallons of Ethanol and 400
gallons
of unneeded oil imports. Ethanol is made from corn and other grown
grains
and when was the last time you saw a year where there wasn't any corn
around? Since it contains a high amount of oxygen it makes a car engine
cleaner burning resulting in a cleaner environment for us to live in.
Carbon
dioxide emissions are lower thus reducing ground level ozone which
people
with respiratory problems will be the first to tell you is a problem.
I acre of corn may produce 300 gallons of ethanol but to get that you
will
use the 400 gallons plus of fossil fuel. 300 gallons of ethanol will
only
have the BTUs of less than 200 gallons of gas and less than 100 gallons
of
diesel fuel.
Yes the car engine does run cleaner but CO2 is still given off in the
fermentation process add that to the carbon and benzene derivatives
given
off when ethanol is burned and then add the exhaust particles fot he
fuel
used to produce the ethanol and it=92s anything but clean. In fact
it=92s just
about the most filthy poisonous stuff legal to spew around. The
benxe3ne
derivatives given off when ethanol burns are far more devastating to the
ozone levels , low and high, than the same concentrations of CO2.
The emissions produced by burning ethanol are less reactive with
sunlight
than those produced by burning gasoline. This results in a lower
potential
for damaging the ozone layer. The use of ethanol reduces our dependance
on
imported oil and increases the market for farmers who grow the grains we
use
to produce ethanol. Now we can stop paying farmers not grow crops and
use
their excess production as fuel.
It probably is less reactive with sunlight because it doesn=92t need to
react
with sunlight to eat ozone. The result is a much higher level of damage
to
the ozone layers. Because it requires so much fossil fuel to manufacture
a
gallon of ethanol it actually compounds the oil problem by increasing
our
dependence on fossil fuel.
Now we get to the crux of the matter it is a way the government can do
cash
injections to farmers by increasing the demand, ergo the price of their
crops. I don=92t blame them for liking and supporting the idea of
ethanol
fuel even though they know it=92s not true. Unfortunately it=92s not
the
4excess production going into ethanol production... The excess
production
is now finding its way to our tables.
Of course there are some by-products of ethanol production that have
to
be dealt with. By-products such as corn flour, corn oil, corn meal and
corn
grits. Other by-products are animal feeds such as Fibrotein TM, corn
gluten
meal and feed and certain amino acids. Carbon dioxide is another
by-product
in ethanol production and is used as a refrigerant and putting the fizz
in
our sodas. There are no waste products when ethanol is produced from
corn.
Just how much pop can you drink?? A short while ago somebody brought
this
up to me so I checked it out. It=92s all true! BUT... These amino
acids
they talk about are what most of us call steroids... The same steroids
we
are trying to avoid in our steaks, the same steroids the producers
should
have to eat themselves before giving it to unsuspecting farm animals
whose
lives are made more painful and shortened. Natural Corn flour and corn
oil
are removed in the permantatiuon process leaving what the beer makers
call
grouts.
I won=92t comment on CO2 as a refrigerant.... This is the first time
I=92ve
heard this. I hope it=92s true.
It is possible, with certain engine modifications, to run on pure
ethanol. Brazil operates almost 50% of their vehicles on pure ethanol. A
10%
blend requires no engine modifications at all. There is a very limited
selection of vehicles offered by original equipment manufacturers that
will
run on 85% ethanol blended fuel.
Brazil produces almost all its ethanol on excess crops... They still
have
the problems of the benzene derivatives produced when ethanol is
burned..
Given the choice of the table or the tank I=92ll bet they put their
crops on
the table.
Car owners are concerned about what effects ethanol will have on
their
engines and fuel systems, a valid concern. Let me take this a step at a
time.
Ethanol As A Fuel
New car warranties.
Ethanol began being used in 1979 and auto manufactures did not address
the
use of ethanol blended fuels. Then when they began testing their
vehicles
with the new blended fuels, they were able to approve the use of the 10%
ethanol blended fuels. Some went as far as to recommend the new blended
fuels in their vehicles.
Problem is when ethanol eats out car components, eventually it will,
the
manufacturer make more money replacing the parts. A good reason to stay
as
far from ethanol on the ground as possible.
Do I have to do anything to my engine to use a 10% ethanol fuel?
All engines built from 1970 can use the 10% ethanol blended fuels with
no
problems or modifications. A carbureted engine may need an adjustment to
take full advantage of the fuel.
Because there is so much less power in ethanol compared to gasoline the
engine will have to be tuned much richer. The one good point is because
ethanol has an RON of 116 your engine probably won=92t ping as the fuel
eats
its gut out.
Will the new fuels work in a fuel injected engine?
It sure will. At first you may need to change the fuel filter more often
as
the ethanol cleans out the fuel system, but once that is done fuel
filter
replacement will go back to normal.
Bull feathers ! Once the loose crud is released, because ethanol is so
corrosive, and caught in the filters the rest of the parts that are
being
corroded will pass right through the filters. If one has to use
ethanol. I
mean really, really, has to use ethanol then fuel injection is how it
should
be done. In aircraft add a fuel system pressurized with nitrogen to
keep
the crap from absorbing water out of the air while on the ground.
Ethanol can loosen contaminants and residues that have been deposited by
previous gasoline fills. These can collect in the fuel filter. This
problem
has happened occasionally in older cars, and can easily be corrected by
changing fuel filters. Since 1985 all ethanol blended fuels and most
non-blended fuels have had detergents added to them to keep fuel
injectors
clean and prevent deposits that could clog them.
After that the ethanol will just start to eat your; fuel tank, fuel
pump,
fuel lines, FUEL FILTER, injection pump and injectors. I forgot to
mention
what it will do to your fuel gauge.
Will adding a gas line anti-freeze cause problems?
Gas line anti-freezes are made from ethanol, methanol or isopropyl
alcohol
to absorb water in the fuel and keep it from freezing. That one little
bottle of gas line anti-freeze is about 0.3% of the volume of a full gas
tank. With a 10% ethanol blended fuel, it's 10% so it will absorb a lot
more
water and you'll never have to worry about a frozen fuel line. Now you
don't
have to worry about buying it, keeping it in the trunk and adding it to
the
tank when you fill up.
So true. Now all you have to worry about is a phase separation which
can
occur, especially in humid climes when the temperature drops.. Let=92s
not
talk about what happens to your dirt cheap injector pump an injectors
when
water gets into them. Can anyone say pressurized fuel system starting
at
the distillery.
What about my valves?
Not to worry, ethanol burns cooler than straight gasoline helping to
keep
the valves cool. This is the main reason that high powered racing
engines
burn straight alcohol.
Racing authorities mandating/requiring the use of ethanol in an attempt
to
restrict po9st crash explosions had not a darn thing to do with its use!
That=92s my story and I=92ll stick to it. Now you can see people burn
in flames
you cannot see... Great stuff to have on the highway.
Will ethanol hurt my older engine designed for leaded gas?
No. The concern about older engines came about because of the lead
phase-out. Lead oxides that were formed during combustion provided a
cushion
that reduced wear on non-case-hardened valve seats. Therefore, it is the
absence of lead, not the presence of ethanol, that is of concern.
Finally a point I have not one issue with.
Why do some mechanics say not to use ethanol?
A mechanic who says not to use ethanol does not have correct
information.
There is very little information available for mechanics on fuel
formulation, so when there appears to be a fuel-related problem with an
engine, some mechanics will immediately ask if ethanol has been used.
The
only reason ethanol is suspected is that in many states it is the only
gasoline component other than lead that has an identifying label. In
North
Dakota, New Mexico, and Idaho, ethanol proponents have offered a $100
reward
to any customer who can document damage from ethanol to his or her car,
and
so far no one has ever collected.
The mechanic who advises you not to use ethanol is HONEST. He is smart
enough to see the truth regardless of what the spin doctors say.
Ethanol
will have a lot more effect on your car than a daily cigar will have on
your
health... and we all know cigars are not good for your heath. No one
ever
will because the spin doctors will always credit other factors with the
damage ethanol does. I note they don=92t address the damage it does to
the
atmosphere even before its burned.
Okay, what about my gas milage?
At the very worst it will be very slight. Ethanol contains 97% of the
energy
that pure gasoline has. But because the combustion efficiency is
increased,
the slight reduction in energy content is compensated for. Most users
will
not notice the decrease, if any, and many people have reported an
increase
in fuel milage.
Obviously there is a type-o error here it=92s not 97% but closer to 67%
(
actually lower than that) adding 10 % to your perfectly good gas will
reduce your mileage, all else equal, around 20%. I know I=92d notice
that for
sure. There are two ways I can see a slight mileage decrease;
Your engine has bee detonating all over the place.. Ethanol because it
has a
RON of around 116 will actually allow your engine to run smoother and
therefore more efficiently possibly increasing fuel mileage until bits
and
pieces of your engine are consumed.
Your name is Jethro Bodine and you ciphering at grade six level has
damaged
a few brain cells....
Can I use it in my lawn mower?
No, you'll have to stop mowing the lawn every week. Only kidding, I
thought
I saw a few people smile at that prospect. The answer is yes, you can
use
the 10% ethanol blended fuels anywhere you use regular unleaded fuel. It
can
be used in any lawn mower, snow plow, snowmobile, ATV and any other gas
powered engine. There may be some carburetor adjustment needed, so
always
refer to your equipments owners manual before using it.
Interesting that the descendants of Monsieur Armand Bombardier allow but
do
not recommend the use of up to 10% ethanol in any of the equipment they
manufacture.
Can I use it in diesel engine?
No, Diesel fuel and ethanol don't mix. Besides which gasoline is an
octane
fuel while diesel fuel is a cetain fuel.
The whole idea of a Diesel engine is it can be made to run on any fuel.
It
can be made to run on wood chips if you want and it most certainly can
be
made to run on ethanol... up to the point the ethanol eats the engine.
I
thought military turbine fuel was kerosene laced with ethanol to make it
flow at the cold temps encountered at altitude. I better look that one
up.
Ethanol is a very safe fuel, if you spill it it will not contaminate
the
ground water. If you drink it, you'll get drunk. Although if you drink
large
quantities you will suffer liver damage. In fact, if you drink just
about
any alcoholic beverage, you're drinking ethanol in one form or another.
I
was hard pressed to find any down sides to the use of ethanol as a fuel.
There are reports that the emissions of an ethanol burning engine can
adversely effect plant life, but studies are still being conducted to
prove
or disprove this.
Ethanol is an organic compound. I=92m not sure if it will contaminate
ground
water but it will kill just about anything it comes in contact with.
Just
try an ounce or so on your wife=92s prize rosebush. Better not,
you=92ll just
be adding to the dangers of ethanol. As for drinking the stuff that you
get
from the gas station you can=92t even distil the eth out of it. They
have a
compound in the ethanol that distils at the same temperature. That
compound
will make you very sick.
Copyright =C2=A9 2000 - 2003 Vincent T. Ciulla All Rights Reserved
I claim no copyright to my opinions and ideas. The truth actually
belongs
to all of us. Please feel free spread it around. Don=92t believe what
I=92ve
said here. Check it out for yourself.
I=92ve said it before and I=92ll say it again. We have a problem with
fossil
fuels. Ethanol is NOT the answer... it=92s a decoy leading us from
finding a
real viable answer.
--------
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| Subject: | Cutting a windshield |
At 08:48 AM 4/13/2008, you wrote:
>My experience is that the LP Aeroplastics will shatter if you try to cut
>with snips at any thickness, the Lexan and Plexi I have cut with snips, you
>still need to sand the edges because you will still get very slight crazing
>on the edge from the snip cut.
I know this is in the archives but I'll repeat quickly. I
used a diamond Dremel wheel to cut, then 60, then 220, then 400, then
TCP polish with a Dremel buffing wheel.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Small Side window? |
At 08:44 AM 4/13/2008, you wrote:
>Too late, all the glass is in, but just out of curiosity, how did you shade
>them? My turtle deck was already shaded but the main windscreen is clear,
>door glass is shaded.
Mine isn't, that's why I suggested it. I fly in my own
little microwave oven. I have to admit it's nice in the winter,
however. When I replace my window I'll take it to the guys that did
my car. They put a rather permanent coating on the windows that
blocked 97% of the UV without blocking much of the light. It works
and has lasted six years without visible degradation. I don't know
their process.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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