---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 04/19/08: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:52 AM - Re: Wing Inspection Hole Locations? (fox5flyer) 2. 06:06 AM - Re: Wing Inspection Hole Locations? (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk) 3. 06:10 AM - Re: Wing Inspection Hole Locations? (Cudnohufsky's) 4. 06:23 AM - Re: Wing Inspection Hole Locations? (Roger McConnell) 5. 06:47 AM - Comparing the Kitfox 4 Classic with the Avid MK IV HH??? (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk) 6. 07:09 AM - Re: Life Insurance (moosepileit) 7. 09:09 AM - Re: Wing Inspection Hole Locations? (Beemer) 8. 09:12 AM - Re: Wing Inspection Hole Locations? (darinh) 9. 10:06 AM - Re: Proposed Sport Pilot and LSA rule changes (Lynn Matteson) 10. 01:55 PM - Elevator Trim (Cudnohufsky's) 11. 05:44 PM - Re: Re: Life Insurance (Dan Billingsley) 12. 06:50 PM - Re: Proposed Sport Pilot and LSA rule changes (vetdrem) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:52:19 AM PST US From: "fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing Inspection Hole Locations? Place them pretty much anywhere you might possibly, in the future, need to get in for access. One is on the belly below the elevator pushrod bearing. There are also a couple places below the control linkage on the belly below the baggage area. Any place else you might need future access. You don't need to actually cut the holes until you need access. Just the reinforcement rings are all that are needed. Deke Morisse Mikado Michigan S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress." - Joseph Joubert ----- Original Message ----- From: "darinh" Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 2:30 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Wing Inspection Hole Locations? > > I am curious where you guys have place inspection holes in your wings. I > have placed one for access to the plumbing for the pitot tube and another > for an OAT probe sensor for my Dynon but can't think of any other reason I > need more. These wings don't have any moving linkages that are inside so > can anyone tell me why I need any additional inspection holes? What has > everyone else done? > > -------- > Darin Hawkes > Series 7 (Painting) > 914 Turbo > Kaysville, Utah > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177812#177812 > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:06:14 AM PST US From: Jim_and_Lucy Chuk Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Wing Inspection Hole Locations? Hi Darin, I know where I would like to have one on my Avid MK IV. Some mi ce built a nest out near the wingtip, you can feel it when you tap on the b ottom. Last summer when I was putting the Jabiru engine in, I saw some mic e running up and into the front wing spar. I set traps and cought about h alf a dozen but I guess they had allready built the house. Just rethinking this, I suppose on the Kitfox you can pull off the wingtips to get at the end of the wing, on the Avid the tip is covered with fabric. I'm going to have to add some inspection rings now after the fact. The other place I ne ed one is so I can reach the top of the tailwheel spring bolt. I guess the y say put in a lot of rings and don't cut them out until or if you need to. Jim Chuk Avids Kitfox 4 Mn> Subject: Kitfox-List: Wing Inspection Hol e Locations?> From: gerns25@netscape.net> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 23:30:00 - darinh" > > I am curious where you guys have place in spection holes in your wings. I have placed one for access to the plumbing for the pitot tube and another for an OAT probe sensor for my Dynon but can 't think of any other reason I need more. These wings don't have any moving linkages that are inside so can anyone tell me why I need any additional i nspection holes? What has everyone else done?> > --------> Darin Hawkes> Se ries 7 (Painting)> 914 Turbo> Kaysville, Utah> > > > > Read this topic onli ne here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177812#177812> > ====> > > _________________________________________________________________ More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refr esh_instantaccess_042008 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:10:17 AM PST US From: "Cudnohufsky's" <7suds@Chartermi.net> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Wing Inspection Hole Locations? Darin, I would place two each on the bottom of the main wings adjacent to the wing strut attachment brackets. The reason you would want them there is to be able to inspect this area for corrosion during annuals or signs of separation / stressing should you have a mishap. If you have a tailwheel you will want to consider one for access to the forward bolt on the tail spring. I also made my wingtips removable to allow for better annual inspections of the inside of the wings. Lloyd C N Mich Model 5 912UL -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of fox5flyer Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 5:47 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing Inspection Hole Locations? Place them pretty much anywhere you might possibly, in the future, need to get in for access. One is on the belly below the elevator pushrod bearing. There are also a couple places below the control linkage on the belly below the baggage area. Any place else you might need future access. You don't need to actually cut the holes until you need access. Just the reinforcement rings are all that are needed. Deke Morisse Mikado Michigan S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress." - Joseph Joubert ----- Original Message ----- From: "darinh" Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 2:30 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Wing Inspection Hole Locations? > > I am curious where you guys have place inspection holes in your wings. I > have placed one for access to the plumbing for the pitot tube and another > for an OAT probe sensor for my Dynon but can't think of any other reason I > need more. These wings don't have any moving linkages that are inside so > can anyone tell me why I need any additional inspection holes? What has > everyone else done? > > -------- > Darin Hawkes > Series 7 (Painting) > 914 Turbo > Kaysville, Utah > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177812#177812 > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:23:37 AM PST US From: "Roger McConnell" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Wing Inspection Hole Locations? The pitot tube is a good place. I would also put one next to the strut attach brackets on the spars to get a better look at the brackets. Roger McConnell, Duncan, OK Model 7 Trigear, Rotax 912uls Flying sense Jan. 06 -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of darinh Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 1:30 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Wing Inspection Hole Locations? I am curious where you guys have place inspection holes in your wings. I have placed one for access to the plumbing for the pitot tube and another for an OAT probe sensor for my Dynon but can't think of any other reason I need more. These wings don't have any moving linkages that are inside so can anyone tell me why I need any additional inspection holes? What has everyone else done? -------- Darin Hawkes Series 7 (Painting) 914 Turbo Kaysville, Utah Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177812#177812 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:47:59 AM PST US From: Jim_and_Lucy Chuk Subject: Kitfox-List: Comparing the Kitfox 4 Classic with the Avid MK IV HH??? Hi all, back again, thanks to those that did reply when I posted this que stion earlier, I was hopeing for more first hand reports from those that have flown both planes. (Paul Seehaufer perhaps is one who comes to mind) anyway I was doing some comparing yesterday and found this out. The Kitfo x 4 has 2" more headroom, and it is also 9" longer, measureing from the fro nt wing attach point to the elevator hinge. I suppose that length should g ive the tail surfaces more leverage and control in flight. Thanks, Jim C =========> > > _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM _WL_Refresh_messenger_video_042008 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:09:19 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Life Insurance From: "moosepileit" At a certain income level/net worth- folks wind up self-insuring for recreational/experimental type aviation flying. Occasionally in aerobatics you'll see someone have to buy a factory built and certified model and sell their Experimental Amatuer built.. For most of us- aviation exclusions are normal in insurance and you are looking for a policy that does not exclude aviation. It also used to be easy to find a "smooth" policy for the operating insurance, but no longer- separate subject. The EAA should be a good place to start if not then AOPA. Rich Klarich Wyoming, DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177840#177840 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:09:56 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Wing Inspection Hole Locations? From: "Beemer" One other thing to consider: During my 'fox's stint with it's previous owner, wasps built nests inside the wing. It would have been good to have and access hole in each rib bay to clean such things out. Maybe overkill, but you can decide. Bradley -------- Beemer KF2 (and now an M3!) Middle Georgia Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177846#177846 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:12:05 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Wing Inspection Hole Locations? From: "darinh" I have them all over the bottom of the fuse...static ports, pushrod bearing, etc. Its just the wings that I am having a hard time deciding what, if any, additional locations need access holes. I like the spar attachment points to check for corrosion and separation at the lift struts. Maybe I will add an inspection plate at each of the jury strut attachment points also. My wingtips are removable so I have that taken care of. Thanks guys for the advice. -------- Darin Hawkes Series 7 (Painting) 914 Turbo Kaysville, Utah Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177847#177847 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:06:05 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Proposed Sport Pilot and LSA rule changes Well, by golly, they must've read my mind......"Sir, I'd like one bottle of oxygen and a Sectional chart for Leadville, Colorado, please....and take your time on the delivery, as the rule is not in place yet." But I can hope. : ) Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/490+ hrs do not archive On Apr 18, 2008, at 10:26 PM, avidfox wrote: > > Proposed change #9.... is for Lynns next west coast trip. ; ) > > http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2008/pdf/08-1127.pdf > > Me,... I'm just happy flying a Series 5 up to the Maximum Takeoff > Weight of 1320 lbs. under sport pilot privileges. > > Steve > 84KF > KF5912UL > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177791#177791 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/006_205.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:55:42 PM PST US From: "Cudnohufsky's" <7suds@Chartermi.net> Subject: Kitfox-List: Elevator Trim Group, Fabricating a trim tab into my elevator on my 5, will be on pilot side only, looking for input on the amount of travel I should expect to need up & down. Lloyd C N Mich 5 - 912UL Checked by AVG. 11:31 AM ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:44:41 PM PST US From: Dan Billingsley Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Life Insurance Thanks to those who gave some help. Dan moosepileit wrote: At a certain income level/net worth- folks wind up self-insuring for recreational/experimental type aviation flying. Occasionally in aerobatics you'll see someone have to buy a factory built and certified model and sell their Experimental Amatuer built.. For most of us- aviation exclusions are normal in insurance and you are looking for a policy that does not exclude aviation. It also used to be easy to find a "smooth" policy for the operating insurance, but no longer- separate subject. The EAA should be a good place to start if not then AOPA. Rich Klarich Wyoming, DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177840#177840 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:50:41 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Proposed Sport Pilot and LSA rule changes From: "vetdrem" The 10,000 ft limit is being addressed in the new revision that is being routed through the system. It will be 10,000 ft MSL or 2,000 ft AGL which ever is higher. 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