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1. 05:32 AM - Re: Re: Series 5 Light Sport (Noel Loveys)
2. 05:37 AM - Re: Re: Large Baggage Pod (The Eathertons)
3. 06:27 AM - Re: Re: Series 5 Light Sport (84KF)
4. 06:46 AM - Re: Series 5 Light Sport (avidfox)
5. 07:22 AM - Re: Series 5 Light Sport (dcsfoto)
6. 07:24 AM - HID lights (dcsfoto)
7. 08:05 AM - Re: Re: Series 5 Light Sport (Noel Loveys)
8. 08:09 AM - Re: Re: Series 5 Light Sport (Noel Loveys)
9. 08:20 AM - Battery location in a Kitfox 4 Classic 1200 ??? (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
10. 08:55 AM - Re: Series 5 Light Sport (Randy Daughenbaugh)
11. 09:12 AM - Re: Re: Series 5 Light Sport (Michael Gibbs)
12. 10:35 AM - Kitfox III 912ul prop moment arm? (Pete Christensen)
13. 10:41 AM - Re: Kitfox III right gear leg, hub and wheel (corbob13)
14. 10:50 AM - Re: Series 5 Light Sport (Mnflyer)
15. 11:04 AM - Re: Re: Series 5 Light Sport (RRTRACK@aol.com)
16. 11:25 AM - Re: Re: Series 5 Light Sport (John W. Hart)
17. 12:10 PM - Re: Kitfox III 912ul prop moment arm? (Guy Buchanan)
18. 12:12 PM - Re: Kitfox III 912ul prop moment arm? (Guy Buchanan)
19. 12:29 PM - Re: Battery location in a Kitfox 4 Classic 1200 ??? (RAY Gignac)
20. 12:33 PM - Re: Battery location in a Kitfox 4 Classic 1200 ??? (Lynn Matteson)
21. 12:39 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox III right gear leg, hub and wheel (JC Propeller Design)
22. 01:11 PM - Re: Battery location in a Kitfox 4 Classic 1200 ??? (Clint Bazzill)
23. 02:06 PM - Weight difference with grove gear (Pete Christensen)
24. 02:32 PM - Great Lakes Area Kitfox Fly-In (steve shinabery)
25. 02:53 PM - Re: Weight difference with grove gear (Clint Bazzill)
26. 03:23 PM - Re: Weight difference with grove gear (Pete Christensen)
27. 03:25 PM - Re: Battery location in a Kitfox 4 Classic 1200 ??? (kirk hull)
28. 04:27 PM - Re: Battery location in a Kitfox 4 Classic 1200 ??? (Clint Bazzill)
29. 04:27 PM - Re: Weight difference with grove gear (kirk hull)
30. 04:29 PM - Re: Weight difference with grove gear (Clint Bazzill)
31. 05:53 PM - Re: Battery location in a Kitfox 4 Classic 1200 ??? (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
32. 06:47 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox III right gear leg, hub and wheel (Bruce Jolene)
33. 06:50 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox III right gear leg, hub and wheel (Bruce Jolene)
34. 06:56 PM - Re: Battery location in a Kitfox 4 Classic 1200 ??? (kirk hull)
35. 07:04 PM - Re: Battery location in a Kitfox 4 Classic 1200 ??? (kirk hull)
36. 11:01 PM - Re: Re: Re: Kitfox III right gear leg, hub and wheel (Guy Buchanan)
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| Subject: | Re: Series 5 Light Sport |
Only one slight problem... You weighed your plane tail down. It should
have been weighed level. Put your tail load cell on top of a support to
lift the tail so the plane is level. For all practical purposes you may
notice a slight shift (probably forward) in CG.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of avidfox
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 3:31 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Series 5 Light Sport
John,
First, let me say that my "5" has the typical "Experimental Amateur Built"
airworthiness certificate, There is nothing special or different with 84KF.
It was assembled IAW the factory construction manual, has a 921UL engine and
3 blade Warp Drive prop, spring gear, and, at present, an empty weight of
762 lbs.( See attached pictures)
The final empty weight of your aircraft is the key to flying it under sport
pilot privileges..., along with a solid understanding of "The Final Rule",
(the link posted below).
http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/regulatory/sport_rule.pdf
Now, as stated in the Federal Register / Vol. 69, No. 143 / Tuesday, July
27, 2004 / Rules and Regulations, page 44791......
"The FAA believes that there might be confusion concerning what
airworthiness certificates apply to lightsport aircraft. Therefore, the FAA
is clarifying this issue. A sport pilot may operate any aircraft that meets
the definition in 1.1 of a light-sport aircraft, regardless of the
airworthiness certificate issued for the aircraft. An aircraft that meets
the light-sport aircraft definition may have any airworthiness certificate
that may be issued for an aircraft, such as standard, special, primary, or
experimental amateur-built aircraft."
Second, if we were to attempt to continue this discussion on line, here on
the "List" we would be jumped on by the so called (cough cough)
"moderators", all amatuer hobbiest, who don't have a clue what's going on,
but will insist that a 25 year professional FAA representative and Part 147
educator is full of $#%&.
E-mail me at stevebenesh@comcast.net and we can arrange a personal
conversation on the subject over the phone at your convenience if you care
to.
Steve
84KF
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| Subject: | Re: Large Baggage Pod |
Actually the one I'm looking for is not the torpedo style. I hear lots of
people describing it as a style on the Cesna Caravan or 206, but it straps
up to the far fore and aft float connections and then has a slot that the
gear can cycle through. Your also right about the manual but I dont have
the sheets that describe it.
Jason Eatherton
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From: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 1:30 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Large Baggage Pod
>
> My model 4 is fitted for the factory built, torpedo shaped baggage pod. Is
> that what you're talking about? I didn't realize they came in different
> sizes. I'd be happy to take careful measurements of my brackets so you can
> continue with the building while you look... Actually, as I write this,
> it occurs to me that the specifications should be mentioned somewhere in
> the construction records and plans that came with the airplane. Only helps
> you though if we're talking about the same pod.
>
> --------
> Luis Rodriguez
> Model IV 1200
> Rotax 912UL
> Flying Weekly
> Laurens, SC (34A)
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Series 5 Light Sport |
Noel,
The purpose of scales at that time was simply to determine (and verify) the
empty weight.... which is the same regardless of attitude.
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: Series 5 Light Sport |
..... and this is how I level most "taildraggers" for rigging and actual weight
and balance work.
Steve
84KF
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| Subject: | Re: Series 5 Light Sport |
I certificated my Model 7 as an E-LSA, prior to the deadline.
It came in just over 800 lbs, tricycle gear,912 ULS, IVO Prop
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check out dirtlights.com
look good for landing and taxi lights
David
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| Subject: | Re: Series 5 Light Sport |
True but if, emphasis on the "if", you use the info to calculate your W&B
then the balance part will be off a bit. Practically speaking it may be
very little.
Can I borrow your scales for a year or two... or ten J??
Noel
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of 84KF
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Series 5 Light Sport
Noel,
The purpose of scales at that time was simply to determine (and verify) the
empty weight.... which is the same regardless of attitude.
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: Series 5 Light Sport |
Wow!
Beautiful plane, Beautiful floor, Beautiful hangar!
Noel
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of avidfox
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:13 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Series 5 Light Sport
..... and this is how I level most "taildraggers" for rigging and actual
weight and balance work.
Steve
84KF
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| Subject: | Battery location in a Kitfox 4 Classic 1200 ??? |
Hi all, Just wondering where some of you have located your battery in your
Kitfox 4? I'm sure the position will want to move depending if you have a
582 verses a Jabiru or 912, and even more with a Subaru. I know that the
Avids tend to be a bit nose heavy, is this true also of the Kitfox? Is any
one on the list running a Jabiru engine in a Classic 1200? How is the perf
ormance? I have a 1500' strip with tall trees on the end and while I have
no problem getting out of it with my Avid with a Jabiru, I've always done i
t with just myself in the plane and wouldn't concider it with a large passe
nger. I'm been looking at the fusaloge and thinking what all needs to be
done before it can be covered and it would be a lot easier to put in a batt
ery tray in the back now rather than later if it's possible it will be need
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| Subject: | Series 5 Light Sport |
Jeff,
Just as another data point, my series 5 with series 7 fire wall forward came
in at 776 lbs with the grove spring gear and big heavy tires. I do have the
912S. I suspect that the Subaru will add a good bit of weight.
Randy Daughenbaugh, N10NH
Black Hills of South Dakota, - Near Mount Rushmore
Home Strip, Grass Room in Hangar for visitors
Series 5/7 (7 Firewall Forward) 912S, Warp Drive Taper Tip
Gross Weight 1320 lbs, Flying since November 2004
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Probasco
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 9:33 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Series 5 Light Sport
Steve,
I would be very interested in hearing about your Series 5, and how you
configured
it for use as a light sport aircraft. My Series 5 is only partially built
and I am
considering what I would need to do to build as a light sport and retain a
useful
load of around 525#. My kit came with convertable wing tips, duel brakes,
and all
the speedster fairings including the false ribs. Along the way, I obtained
a
spring gear, an NSI EA81 and cockpit adjustable prop. Obviously, the prop
would
be out for light sport use and I suspect the EA-81 and spring gear might be
a bit
heavy. Should I forget the convertable wing tips to save weight and just
go with
one length? short or long? Any comments/suggestions from you or others on
this
list would certainly be helpful.
Jeff Probasco
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| Subject: | Re: Series 5 Light Sport |
John,
Steve (84KF) was mistaken when he told you that a conversation about
the use of Kitfox Series 5 aircraft by those operating under Sport
Pilot rules would be "jumped on" by the moderators. Civilized
conversation that is Kitfox- and Avid-centered is welcome and
encouraged.
Steve was also mistaken when he told you that the moderators are
"amatuer (sic) hobbiest (sic again)" who don't have a clue. Of
course, he knows nothing about the background or experience of the
moderators.
He has, however, provided an example of something that is not
tolerated on this list--personal attacks. Disagreeing is fine, being
nasty about it is not. He has been sanctioned for this type of
behavior before but apparently is still unable to play nice with
others.
Mike G.
Kitfox List Moderator
>Second, if we were to attempt to continue this discussion on line,
>here on the "List" we would be jumped on by the so called (cough
>cough) "moderators", all amatuer hobbiest, who don't have a clue
>what's going on, but will insist that a 25 year professional FAA
>representative and Part 147 educator is full of $#%&.
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| Subject: | Kitfox III 912ul prop moment arm? |
I just got my new IVO prop and it weighs 2 lbs less than my old GCS. The
plane is 50 miles away so I don't want to make a special trip to measure the
moment arm of the prop. Does anyone know the distance from the prop to the
leading edge of the wing so that I can recalculate the weight and balance?
Pete
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox III right gear leg, hub and wheel |
That's a familiar story. I'm waiting for a replacement pair now. My left leg
is broken and I'm replacing the right as a precautionary measure.
How did your leg fail?
Cory
--------
Cory
N903DB
Kitfox Model II, Rotax 582
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| Subject: | Re: Series 5 Light Sport |
I don't see how one can get a Model 5 or Model 6/7's certified Light Sport, to
be LS the Max Gross wt has to be 1320 lbs or less(for Land planes) and the Model
5 has a factory Gross of either 1400 or 1550 lbs.
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GB
MNFlyer
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| Subject: | Re: Series 5 Light Sport |
Oh No !!!!!!!!! Someone had to ask.
I certified my Kitfox 5 at 1320#. Once you certify it at any thing above
1320 you can't go down again. But you can go up or certify it at 1320 to start
with. My statement has nothing to do with weather it is legal to fly LS in
planes above 1320 certified gross weight. Just pointing out a Kitfox can be
certified at 1320#.
Mark
Kitfox 5 Vixen
912UL IVO
Hartford, Wisconsin
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| Subject: | Re: Series 5 Light Sport |
GB,
FAR 1.1 defines a light sport aircraft as:
Light-sport aircraft means an aircraft, other than a helicopter or
powered-lift that, since its original certification, has continued to meet
the following:
(1) A maximum takeoff weight of not more than-
(i) 1,320 pounds (600 kilograms) for aircraft not intended for operation on
water; or
(ii) 1,430 pounds (650 kilograms) for an aircraft intended for operation on
water.
It does not state anything about gross weight. It is up to the builder to
determine the maximum takeoff weight. The kit manufacturer may state that
the kit, when completed, is capable of a maximum gross weight, or even a
maximum takeoff weight, but the builder may obtain a special airworthiness
certificate at whatever maximum takeoff weight he wishes, so long as the FAA
designee or inspector thinks it is safe at that weight and will issue the
certificate. No harm in stating that a kit that can be, as far as the kit
provider is concerned, flown safely at 1500 lbs. being limited by the
builder at certification time to 1320 pounds. It may be a bit reckless to
go the other way, and set the maximum takeoff weight at 1500 lbs. when the
kit provider states the kit is capable of 1200 pounds. I don't think any
FAA designee or inspector worth his salt would allow the latter to happen
unless the builder has strengthened the airframe and con prove to the
designee or inspector that he/she has strengthened the airframe
sufficiently.
John Hart
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mnflyer
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 12:48 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Series 5 Light Sport
I don't see how one can get a Model 5 or Model 6/7's certified Light Sport,
to be LS the Max Gross wt has to be 1320 lbs or less(for Land planes) and
the Model 5 has a factory Gross of either 1400 or 1550 lbs.
--------
GB
MNFlyer
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox III 912ul prop moment arm? |
Pete,
What are you flying? What engine? (It's a good idea to put
your full name, location, and flying type / status in your signature
so we don't have to ask.) For a IV / 582 the number is probably 45".
At 10:32 AM 4/21/2008, you wrote:
><apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.net>
>
>I just got my new IVO prop and it weighs 2 lbs less than my old
>GCS. The plane is 50 miles away so I don't want to make a special
>trip to measure the moment arm of the prop. Does anyone know the
>distance from the prop to the leading edge of the wing so that I can
>recalculate the weight and balance?
>
>Pete
Guy Buchanan, Kitfox List Moderator
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox III 912ul prop moment arm? |
Geez, what a bozo. Just as I hit send I noticed the subject line. I
apologize Pete.
At 10:32 AM 4/21/2008, you wrote:
><apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.net>
>
>I just got my new IVO prop and it weighs 2 lbs less than my old
>GCS. The plane is 50 miles away so I don't want to make a special
>trip to measure the moment arm of the prop. Does anyone know the
>distance from the prop to the leading edge of the wing so that I can
>recalculate the weight and balance?
>
>Pete
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Battery location in a Kitfox 4 Classic 1200 ??? |
I just installed a larger battery in my Model IV 1200, I relocated it to be
hind the passenger seat. This will require a new W&B do to location and go
ing from a 10lb battery to an 18lb battery.
Ray
From: thesupe@hotmail.comTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: Kitfox-List:
Battery location in a Kitfox 4 Classic 1200 ???Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:1
7:18 +0000
Hi all, Just wondering where some of you have located your battery in your
Kitfox 4? I'm sure the position will want to move depending if you have a
582 verses a Jabiru or 912, and even more with a Subaru. I know that the
Avids tend to be a bit nose heavy, is this true also of the Kitfox? Is any
one on the list running a Jabiru engine in a Classic 1200? How is the perf
ormance? I have a 1500' strip with tall trees on the end and while I have
no problem getting out of it with my Avid with a Jabiru, I've always done i
t with just myself in the plane and wouldn't concider it with a large passe
nger. I'm been looking at the fusaloge and thinking what all needs to be
done before it can be covered and it would be a lot easier to put in a batt
ery tray in the back now rather than later if it's possible it will be need
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| Subject: | Re: Battery location in a Kitfox 4 Classic 1200 ??? |
How much difference is there between the Classic 1200, and a Model IV
Speedster?...besides the wingspan?
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/490+ hrs
On Apr 21, 2008, at 11:17 AM, Jim_and_Lucy Chuk wrote:
> Hi all, Just wondering where some of you have located your battery
> in your Kitfox 4? I'm sure the position will want to move
> depending if you have a 582 verses a Jabiru or 912, and even more
> with a Subaru. I know that the Avids tend to be a bit nose heavy,
> is this true also of the Kitfox? Is anyone on the list running a
> Jabiru engine in a Classic 1200? How is the performance? I have a
> 1500' strip with tall trees on the end and while I have no problem
> getting out of it with my Avid with a Jabiru, I've always done it
> with just myself in the plane and wouldn't concider it with a large
> passenger. I'm been looking at the fusaloge and thinking what all
> needs to be done before it can be covered and it would be a lot
> easier to put in a battery tray in the back now rather than later
> if it's possible it will be needed to balence t==============
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox III right gear leg, hub and wheel |
Can you fly with prosthesis?
/Jan
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----- Original Message -----
From: "corbob13" <corbob13@netnet.net>
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 7:39 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox III right gear leg, hub and wheel
>
> That's a familiar story. I'm waiting for a replacement pair now. My left
> leg is broken and I'm replacing the right as a precautionary measure.
>
> How did your leg fail?
>
> Cory
>
> --------
> Cory
>
> N903DB
> Kitfox Model II, Rotax 582
>
>
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>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=178186#178186
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| Subject: | Battery location in a Kitfox 4 Classic 1200 ??? |
I have mine installed on pilots side as in instructions. Have added a lot
of options since then and balance is fine. Do not believe in these huge ba
tteries. I use standard motorcycle 14BS. I replace it every 2 years even
though it appears perfect. If you are stalled somewhere because of battery
, just go to your local auto store, put in the acid in the store and by the
time you get back you are ready to fly. Battery is so light you can take
it home with you. Kitfox Model IV-1200 1340 hours. Clint
From: kitfoxpilot@msn.comTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Kitfox-L
ist: Battery location in a Kitfox 4 Classic 1200 ???Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008
19:26:28 +0000
I just installed a larger battery in my Model IV 1200, I relocated it to be
hind the passenger seat. This will require a new W&B do to location and go
ing from a 10lb battery to an 18lb battery. Ray
From: thesupe@hotmail.comTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: Kitfox-List:
Battery location in a Kitfox 4 Classic 1200 ???Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:1
7:18 +0000
Hi all, Just wondering where some of you have located your battery in your
Kitfox 4? I'm sure the position will want to move depending if you have a
582 verses a Jabiru or 912, and even more with a Subaru. I know that the
Avids tend to be a bit nose heavy, is this true also of the Kitfox? Is any
one on the list running a Jabiru engine in a Classic 1200? How is the perf
ormance? I have a 1500' strip with tall trees on the end and while I have
no problem getting out of it with my Avid with a Jabiru, I've always done i
t with just myself in the plane and wouldn't concider it with a large passe
nger. I'm been looking at the fusaloge and thinking what all needs to be
done before it can be covered and it would be a lot easier to put in a batt
ery tray in the back now rather than later if it's possible it will be need
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| Subject: | Weight difference with grove gear |
I wonder what the weight gain or loss is on installing a grove gear on a
Kitfox III.
Pete
Kitfox III 912ul
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| Subject: | Great Lakes Area Kitfox Fly-In |
Great Lakes Area Kitfox Fly - In,,When :Sunday May 11th,at 12:00pm
noon,, Where ;Lake field Airport,[CQA],Celina Ohio,,we are having a BBQ
lunch,and any KF pilot flying in there KF there lunch will be FREE,, and
after lunch we are having a BOMB drop and a SPOT Landing contest,,if you
do not have a KF fly in what ever you do have all are welcome..Bring tie
downs,,COME out for a day of fun with your Kitfox family and
friends..You can not miss us,since we are on the largest lake in
Ohio.,we are in West Central Ohio. Grand Lake St.Marys,we are at the
south west corner of the lake. home base for STEVE SHINABERY N554KF KF2
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| Subject: | Weight difference with grove gear |
Good question. I tried finding out informatin like that at Skystar and cou
ldn't get it. Here is what I have.
I have a Model IV-1200 912 ULS
800-6 aircraft tires. Weight gain after installing spring gear (Hammerhead)
13.5 lbs, arm 1.875 inches. Should be close to what you are asking. I r
emoved all the parts, weighed them and calulated the difference.
Clint
rove gearDate: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:03:32 -0600
I wonder what the weight gain or loss is on installing a grove gear on a Ki
tfox III.
Pete
Kitfox III 912ul
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| Subject: | Re: Weight difference with grove gear |
That's about what I needed. I presume that weight is just the
difference between the stock gear and the Grove and doesn't take into
account any other hardware. I don't want to have to weigh and balance
the plane from scratch though I probably should. I bought my Kitfox III
a couple weeks ago and I wouldn't swear to the logbook. Grove gear was
already installed though I could find nothing in the W&B but the mod was
entered into the logbook.
Pete
Kitfox III 912ul
----- Original Message -----
From: Clint Bazzill
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 3:50 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Weight difference with grove gear
Good question. I tried finding out informatin like that at Skystar
and couldn't get it. Here is what I have.
I have a Model IV-1200 912 ULS
800-6 aircraft tires. Weight gain after installing spring gear
(Hammerhead) 13.5 lbs, arm 1.875 inches. Should be close to what you
are asking. I removed all the parts, weighed them and calulated the
difference.
Clint
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Weight difference with grove gear
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:03:32 -0600
I wonder what the weight gain or loss is on installing a grove gear
on a Kitfox III.
Pete
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| Subject: | Battery location in a Kitfox 4 Classic 1200 ??? |
On my classic 4 with a Subaru the battery is in the tail as far back as it
could go on a plate that drops down for access
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim_and_Lucy
Chuk
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:17 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Battery location in a Kitfox 4 Classic 1200 ???
Hi all, Just wondering where some of you have located your battery in your
Kitfox 4? I'm sure the position will want to move depending if you have a
582 verses a Jabiru or 912, and even more with a Subaru. I know that the
Avids tend to be a bit nose heavy, is this true also of the Kitfox? Is
anyone on the list running a Jabiru engine in a Classic 1200? How is the
performance? I have a 1500' strip with tall trees on the end and while I
have no problem getting out of it with my Avid with a Jabiru, I've always
done it with just myself in the plane and wouldn't concider it with a large
passenger. I'm been looking at the fusaloge and thinking what all needs to
be done before it can be covered and it would be a lot easier to put in a
battery tray in the back now rather than later if it's possible it will be
needed to balence t==============
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| Subject: | Battery location in a Kitfox 4 Classic 1200 ??? |
How much does the battery weight? Clint
From: kirkhull@kc.rr.comTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Kitfox-Li
st: Battery location in a Kitfox 4 Classic 1200 ???Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 1
7:22:47 -0500
On my classic 4 with a Subaru the battery is in the tail as far back as it
could go on a plate that drops down for access
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-serv
er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim_and_Lucy ChukSent: Monday, April 21, 200
8 10:17 AMTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: Kitfox-List: Battery locati
on in a Kitfox 4 Classic 1200 ???
Hi all, Just wondering where some of you have located your battery in your
Kitfox 4? I'm sure the position will want to move depending if you have a
582 verses a Jabiru or 912, and even more with a Subaru. I know that the
Avids tend to be a bit nose heavy, is this true also of the Kitfox? Is any
one on the list running a Jabiru engine in a Classic 1200? How is the perf
ormance? I have a 1500' strip with tall trees on the end and while I have
no problem getting out of it with my Avid with a Jabiru, I've always done i
t with just myself in the plane and wouldn't concider it with a large passe
nger. I'm been looking at the fusaloge and thinking what all needs to be
done before it can be covered and it would be a lot easier to put in a batt
ery tray in the back now rather than later if it's possible it will be need
ed to balence t===============> > >
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| Subject: | Weight difference with grove gear |
If you are unsure I would weigh it. It will take less then 30 min and there
are a # of spreadsheets out there that will do the calculations for you. If
you do not have scales you can ask around and find some. A good place to
start is you local EAA chapter. If you are near Kansas city chapter 612 has
a set that they loan out.
_____
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete
Christensen
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Weight difference with grove gear
That's about what I needed. I presume that weight is just the difference
between the stock gear and the Grove and doesn't take into account any other
hardware. I don't want to have to weigh and balance the plane from scratch
though I probably should. I bought my Kitfox III a couple weeks ago and I
wouldn't swear to the logbook. Grove gear was already installed though I
could find nothing in the W&B but the mod was entered into the logbook.
Pete
Kitfox III 912ul
----- Original Message -----
From: Clint <mailto:clint_bazzill@hotmail.com> Bazzill
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 3:50 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Weight difference with grove gear
Good question. I tried finding out informatin like that at Skystar and
couldn't get it. Here is what I have.
I have a Model IV-1200 912 ULS
800-6 aircraft tires. Weight gain after installing spring gear (Hammerhead)
13.5 lbs, arm 1.875 inches. Should be close to what you are asking. I
removed all the parts, weighed them and calulated the difference.
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Subject: Kitfox-List: Weight difference with grove gear
I wonder what the weight gain or loss is on installing a grove gear on a
Kitfox III.
Pete
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| Subject: | Weight difference with grove gear |
I took all the parts off and weighed them. Then reassembled them and figur
ed the new moment. Clint
From: apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.netTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject:
Re: Kitfox-List: Weight difference with grove gearDate: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 16
:20:34 -0600
That's about what I needed. I presume that weight is just the difference b
etween the stock gear and the Grove and doesn't take into account any other
hardware. I don't want to have to weigh and balance the plane from scratc
h though I probably should. I bought my Kitfox III a couple weeks ago and
I wouldn't swear to the logbook. Grove gear was already installed though I
could find nothing in the W&B but the mod was entered into the logbook.
Pete
Kitfox III 912ul
----- Original Message -----
From: Clint Bazzill
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 3:50 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Weight difference with grove gear
Good question. I tried finding out informatin like that at Skystar and cou
ldn't get it. Here is what I have. I have a Model IV-1200 912 ULS 800-6
aircraft tires. Weight gain after installing spring gear (Hammerhead) 13.5
lbs, arm 1.875 inches. Should be close to what you are asking. I removed
all the parts, weighed them and calulated the difference. Clint To: kit
fox-list@matronics.comSubject: Kitfox-List: Weight difference with grove ge
arDate: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:03:32 -0600
I wonder what the weight gain or loss is on installing a grove gear on a Ki
tfox III.
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| Subject: | Battery location in a Kitfox 4 Classic 1200 ??? |
Thanks Kirk and others who responded to my question. Kirk, do you have any
pictures of your battery setup. Thanks, Jim Chuk Avids Kitfox 4 Mn
From: kirkhull@kc.rr.comTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Kitfox-Li
st: Battery location in a Kitfox 4 Classic 1200 ???Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 1
7:22:47 -0500
On my classic 4 with a Subaru the battery is in the tail as far back as it
could go on a plate that drops down for access
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-serv
er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim_and_Lucy ChukSent: Monday, April 21, 200
8 10:17 AMTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: Kitfox-List: Battery locati
on in a Kitfox 4 Classic 1200 ???
Hi all, Just wondering where some of you have located your battery in your
Kitfox 4? I'm sure the position will want to move depending if you have a
582 verses a Jabiru or 912, and even more with a Subaru. I know that the
Avids tend to be a bit nose heavy, is this true also of the Kitfox? Is any
one on the list running a Jabiru engine in a Classic 1200? How is the perf
ormance? I have a 1500' strip with tall trees on the end and while I have
no problem getting out of it with my Avid with a Jabiru, I've always done i
t with just myself in the plane and wouldn't concider it with a large passe
nger. I'm been looking at the fusaloge and thinking what all needs to be
done before it can be covered and it would be a lot easier to put in a batt
ery tray in the back now rather than later if it's possible it will be need
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox III right gear leg, hub and wheel |
Did you order spring gear or original?
If its original, where are you radering from?
Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: "corbob13" <corbob13@netnet.net>
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 12:39 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox III right gear leg, hub and wheel
>
> That's a familiar story. I'm waiting for a replacement pair now. My left
> leg is broken and I'm replacing the right as a precautionary measure.
>
> How did your leg fail?
>
> Cory
>
> --------
> Cory
>
> N903DB
> Kitfox Model II, Rotax 582
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=178186#178186
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox III right gear leg, hub and wheel |
My first high speed taxi run.....it got away from me.
It started to fish tail and and I must have pushed too hard on one pedal.
Guess I'll have to submit to some taxi instruction from an expert.
----- Original Message -----
From: "corbob13" <corbob13@netnet.net>
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 12:39 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox III right gear leg, hub and wheel
>
> That's a familiar story. I'm waiting for a replacement pair now. My left
> leg is broken and I'm replacing the right as a precautionary measure.
>
> How did your leg fail?
>
> Cory
>
> --------
> Cory
>
> N903DB
> Kitfox Model II, Rotax 582
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=178186#178186
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Battery location in a Kitfox 4 Classic 1200 ??? |
I don't have any handy but I will take some tomorrow when it go out to the
airport
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim_and_Lucy
Chuk
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 7:50 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Battery location in a Kitfox 4 Classic 1200 ???
Thanks Kirk and others who responded to my question. Kirk, do you have any
pictures of your battery setup. Thanks, Jim Chuk Avids Kitfox 4 Mn
_____
From: kirkhull@kc.rr.com
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Battery location in a Kitfox 4 Classic 1200 ???
On my classic 4 with a Subaru the battery is in the tail as far back as it
could go on a plate that drops down for access
_____
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim_and_Lucy
Chuk
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:17 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Battery location in a Kitfox 4 Classic 1200 ???
Hi all, Just wondering where some of you have located your battery in your
Kitfox 4? I'm sure the position will want to move depending if you have a
582 verses a Jabiru or 912, and even more with a Subaru. I know that the
Avids tend to be a bit nose heavy, is this true also of the Kitfox? Is
anyone on the list running a Jabiru engine in a Classic 1200? How is the
performance? I have a 1500' strip with tall trees on the end and while I
have no problem getting out of it with my Avid with a Jabiru, I've always
done it with just myself in the plane and wouldn't concider it with a large
passenger. I'm been looking at the fusaloge and thinking what all needs to
be done before it can be covered and it would be a lot easier to put in a
battery tray in the back now rather than later if it's possible it will be
needed to balence t==============
>
>
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| Subject: | Battery location in a Kitfox 4 Classic 1200 ??? |
I don't remember the weight I will have to check the logs and get back to
you . it is a gel cell.
_____
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clint Bazzill
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 6:24 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Battery location in a Kitfox 4 Classic 1200 ???
How much does the battery weight? Clint
_____
From: kirkhull@kc.rr.com
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Battery location in a Kitfox 4 Classic 1200 ???
On my classic 4 with a Subaru the battery is in the tail as far back as it
could go on a plate that drops down for access
_____
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim_and_Lucy
Chuk
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:17 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Battery location in a Kitfox 4 Classic 1200 ???
Hi all, Just wondering where some of you have located your battery in your
Kitfox 4? I'm sure the position will want to move depending if you have a
582 verses a Jabiru or 912, and even more with a Subaru. I know that the
Avids tend to be a bit nose heavy, is this true also of the Kitfox? Is
anyone on the list running a Jabiru engine in a Classic 1200? How is the
performance? I have a 1500' strip with tall trees on the end and while I
have no problem getting out of it with my Avid with a Jabiru, I've always
done it with just myself in the plane and wouldn't concider it with a large
passenger. I'm been looking at the fusaloge and thinking what all needs to
be done before it can be covered and it would be a lot easier to put in a
battery tray in the back now rather than later if it's possible it will be
needed to balence t==============
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox III right gear leg, hub and wheel |
At 06:49 PM 5/20/2008, you wrote:
>My first high speed taxi run.....it got away from me.
>It started to fish tail and and I must have pushed too hard on one pedal.
The only really useful piece of advice I got on high speed
taildragger work was to never press and hold a rudder pedal, but
rather to stab at it, look at the results, then stab again as
necessary. This tends to keep you away from pilot induced
oscillation, since your response frequency is much higher with the
stab than with the push and hold. As you get better the stabs get
smoother and may eventually disappear altogether, but I find I still
do it for major excursions.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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