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1. 01:26 AM - Re: Re: Re: Kitfox III right gear leg, hub and wheel (JC Propeller Design)
2. 03:55 AM - Re: Re: KF2 Bungie connections (Summers, Mark)
3. 04:04 AM - Woes of high speed taxiing (fox5flyer)
4. 04:58 AM - Re: Re: Re: Kitfox III right gear leg, hub and wheel (Bruce Jolene)
5. 05:00 AM - Re: Re: Re: Kitfox III right gear leg, hub and wheel (Bruce Jolene)
6. 05:04 AM - Re: Woes of high speed taxiing (Bruce Jolene)
7. 05:29 AM - for sale (fox5flyer)
8. 05:34 AM - Fw: for sale (fox5flyer)
9. 05:48 AM - weight & balance, battery location, etc (LarryM)
10. 06:25 AM - Re: KF2 Bungie connections (Beemer)
11. 07:47 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox III right gear leg, hub and wheel (Sbennett3@aol.com)
12. 09:46 AM - Re: Woes of high speed taxiing (Guy Buchanan)
13. 11:03 AM - Re: Woes of high speed taxiing (n85ae)
14. 11:09 AM - Re: Woes of high speed taxiing (Clint Bazzill)
15. 11:56 AM - high speed taxiing (Dee Young)
16. 12:34 PM - Re: Woes of high speed taxiing (Marco Menezes)
17. 12:34 PM - Re: Re: Woes of high speed taxiing (Michel Verheughe)
18. 03:05 PM - Re: Woes of high speed taxiing (Pete Christensen)
19. 03:45 PM - Re: Woes of high speed taxiing (Bruce Jolene)
20. 03:45 PM - Re: Re: Woes of high speed taxiing (Bruce Jolene)
21. 04:14 PM - Ignition switch replacement (wingnut)
22. 07:43 PM - Re: Short field take off : was 6" extension (akflyer)
23. 10:00 PM - Re: Ignition switch replacement (avidfox)
24. 10:35 PM - Trailer (steve shinabery)
25. 10:48 PM - Trailer (steve shinabery)
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox III right gear leg, hub and wheel |
Agree with Guy,
Don't sit still with the feet until the plane start to swing, then you are
to late. Let the feet dance on the pedals in small steps, be aware of torque
and P-effect and gyro effect when rising the tail. stay a head of plane.
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Guy Buchanan" <bnn@nethere.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 7:57 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox III right gear leg, hub and wheel
>
> At 06:49 PM 5/20/2008, you wrote:
>>My first high speed taxi run.....it got away from me.
>>It started to fish tail and and I must have pushed too hard on one pedal.
>
> The only really useful piece of advice I got on high speed
> taildragger work was to never press and hold a rudder pedal, but rather to
> stab at it, look at the results, then stab again as necessary. This tends
> to keep you away from pilot induced oscillation, since your response
> frequency is much higher with the stab than with the push and hold. As you
> get better the stabs get smoother and may eventually disappear altogether,
> but I find I still do it for major excursions.
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> San Diego, CA
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
>
> __________ NOD32 2838 (20080131) Information __________
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: KF2 Bungie connections |
A word of caution, the instructions are to grind/file down the aluminum
nico press type sleeve on one end of each bungee. I did this and I have
to assume that the heat caused my brand new bungee rubber bands at the
end to break during the installation. I thought I was going slow enough
to not create that much heat, but the instructions were very good and
very much needed on my part. Thanks
Mark Summers kf2 582 [maybe,eventually]
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 10:26 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: KF2 Bungie connections
tc9008(at)aol.com wrote:
> I will be changing mine on a 4. Please send the instructions also
> Travis
> --
To those of you who were asking about the bungie install instructions,
thanks to Tom Jones for digging them out, here they are. Hopefully this
works.
Deke
S5 Subaru
NE Michigan
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| Subject: | Woes of high speed taxiing |
Ground loops and the damage caused from them during high speed taxi is a
very old and sad story on this list. Many folks have spent several years
building their airplane and in minutes it's back in the shop for another
year of repairs or get disgusted and sell what's left of the airplane.
The merits and woes of high speed taxiing is a topic that has come and gone
several times here, usually after some poor soul happened to lose control
during the process. One of the problems with a KF, especially the early
models, is that it can easily get airborne in ground effect long before one
has control authority which can easily result in loss of control.
Generally, the consensus was to not do any high speed taxiing at all because
it proves nothing and only offers an opportunity to cause damage. Just go
out, taxi around for awhile keeping the speed slow and safe, taxi back to
check things out under the hood one last time, and if all is well and the
conditions are favorable, go back out and firewall it. Most of us have
gotten away with high speed taxiing, but many others have not.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress."
- Joseph Joubert
>
> At 06:49 PM 5/20/2008, you wrote:
>>My first high speed taxi run.....it got away from me.
>>It started to fish tail and and I must have pushed too hard on one pedal.
>
> The only really useful piece of advice I got on high speed
> taildragger work was to never press and hold a rudder pedal, but rather to
> stab at it, look at the results, then stab again as necessary. This tends
> to keep you away from pilot induced oscillation, since your response
> frequency is much higher with the stab than with the push and hold. As you
> get better the stabs get smoother and may eventually disappear altogether,
> but I find I still do it for major excursions.
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> San Diego, CA
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox III right gear leg, hub and wheel |
Sounds like real good advice. I watched a video but that was not mentioned.
It spent more time talking about what to do on approach with crosswinds.
I plan to spend my next hours with an taildragger instructor.
Thanks for your help.
Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: "Guy Buchanan" <bnn@nethere.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 12:57 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox III right gear leg, hub and wheel
>
> At 06:49 PM 5/20/2008, you wrote:
>>My first high speed taxi run.....it got away from me.
>>It started to fish tail and and I must have pushed too hard on one pedal.
>
> The only really useful piece of advice I got on high speed
> taildragger work was to never press and hold a rudder pedal, but
> rather to stab at it, look at the results, then stab again as
> necessary. This tends to keep you away from pilot induced
> oscillation, since your response frequency is much higher with the
> stab than with the push and hold. As you get better the stabs get
> smoother and may eventually disappear altogether, but I find I still
> do it for major excursions.
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> San Diego, CA
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox III right gear leg, hub and wheel |
I suspect torque and P factor are what took me off course and then I over
corrected.
Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: "JC Propeller Design" <propellerdesign@tele2.se>
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 3:23 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox III right gear leg, hub and wheel
> <propellerdesign@tele2.se>
>
> Agree with Guy,
>
> Don't sit still with the feet until the plane start to swing, then you are
> to late. Let the feet dance on the pedals in small steps, be aware of
> torque and P-effect and gyro effect when rising the tail. stay a head of
> plane.
>
> Jan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Guy Buchanan" <bnn@nethere.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 7:57 AM
> Subject: Re: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox III right gear leg, hub and wheel
>
>
>>
>> At 06:49 PM 5/20/2008, you wrote:
>>>My first high speed taxi run.....it got away from me.
>>>It started to fish tail and and I must have pushed too hard on one pedal.
>>
>> The only really useful piece of advice I got on high speed
>> taildragger work was to never press and hold a rudder pedal, but rather
>> to stab at it, look at the results, then stab again as necessary. This
>> tends to keep you away from pilot induced oscillation, since your
>> response frequency is much higher with the stab than with the push and
>> hold. As you get better the stabs get smoother and may eventually
>> disappear altogether, but I find I still do it for major excursions.
>>
>>
>> Guy Buchanan
>> San Diego, CA
>> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> __________ NOD32 2838 (20080131) Information __________
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Woes of high speed taxiing |
After repairs, I'm going to seek a qualified instructor before I do
anything.
Would an examination of the wing by a mechanic be warrented?
----- Original Message -----
From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 6:00 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Woes of high speed taxiing
>
> Ground loops and the damage caused from them during high speed taxi is a
> very old and sad story on this list. Many folks have spent several years
> building their airplane and in minutes it's back in the shop for another
> year of repairs or get disgusted and sell what's left of the airplane.
> The merits and woes of high speed taxiing is a topic that has come and
> gone several times here, usually after some poor soul happened to lose
> control during the process. One of the problems with a KF, especially the
> early models, is that it can easily get airborne in ground effect long
> before one has control authority which can easily result in loss of
> control. Generally, the consensus was to not do any high speed taxiing at
> all because it proves nothing and only offers an opportunity to cause
> damage. Just go out, taxi around for awhile keeping the speed slow and
> safe, taxi back to check things out under the hood one last time, and if
> all is well and the conditions are favorable, go back out and firewall
> it. Most of us have gotten away with high speed taxiing, but many others
> have not.
> Deke Morisse
> Mikado Michigan
> S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT
> "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but
> progress."
> - Joseph Joubert
>
>>
>> At 06:49 PM 5/20/2008, you wrote:
>>>My first high speed taxi run.....it got away from me.
>>>It started to fish tail and and I must have pushed too hard on one pedal.
>>
>> The only really useful piece of advice I got on high speed
>> taildragger work was to never press and hold a rudder pedal, but rather
>> to stab at it, look at the results, then stab again as necessary. This
>> tends to keep you away from pilot induced oscillation, since your
>> response frequency is much higher with the stab than with the push and
>> hold. As you get better the stabs get smoother and may eventually
>> disappear altogether, but I find I still do it for major excursions.
>>
>>
>> Guy Buchanan
>> San Diego, CA
>> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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I was looking at my surplus stuff yesterday and I found a 3.125"
airspeed indicator by UMA that is like new and works fine. It's made in
Dayton VA and the S/N is A4941. I don't have any paperwork with it.
$65 gets it and I'll pay the shipping in CONUS.
Please contact privately at fox5flyer@idealwifi.net
Deke
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I forgot to state it's a 140mph unit.
D
----- Original Message -----
From: fox5flyer
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:24 AM
Subject: for sale
I was looking at my surplus stuff yesterday and I found a 3.125"
airspeed indicator by UMA that is like new and works fine. It's made in
Dayton VA and the S/N is A4941. I don't have any paperwork with it.
$65 gets it and I'll pay the shipping in CONUS.
Please contact privately at fox5flyer@idealwifi.net
Deke
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| Subject: | weight & balance, battery location, etc |
At the risk of offending, but with safety at the forefront, these facts need to
be brought to your attention, and is not addressed to anyone specifically, but
to the group as a reminder.
You, and only you as the owner of your airplane are responsible for operating
it in accordance with your aircraft's Operating Limitations as issued as part
of your Airworthiness Certificate. You should see, that limitation #1 is "No
person may operate this aircraft for any other purpose than that for which the
aircraft was certificated. This aircraft must be operated in accordance with
applicable air traffic and general operating rules of part 91 and all additional
limitations prescribed herein. These operating limitations are a part of
Form 8130-7 and are to be carried in the aircraft at all times and to be available
to the pilot in command of the aircraft"
This includes FAR 43 which deals with maintenance, as stated in Far 91.1
It also makes the pilot and owner responsible.
You may also notice that your Kitfox is a unique airplane. There is only one
like it. I may have one that looks, smells, and tastes like yours, - but it
is not the same airplane. Therefore, you can not relie on my airplane to make
determinations on how much yours weighs, were the battery goes and so on. This
can only be done by weighing your specific airplane - both safety and legally.
I fully accept that where I generally found my c of g to lie, your's may
be close; however, that does not relieve you from the responsibility of doing
you own weight and balance.
Personally, I will never fly an airplane that I have bought or will test fly
without doing my own weight & balance. My particular airplane's c of g showed
that it was right in the middle of the envelope. Upon flying it, I found that
I couldn't flare properly. Turns out that the Grove gear was added with out
doing a new wt & balance. The real cg was ahead of the forward limit! No wonder
the guy couldn't land the airplane. [Embarassed] ( my gain, as he sold
it cheap)
Please keep yourself safe, and our sport alive. Take an hour do a weight and
balance for yourself. You may be surprised at the results, and could actually
be fun to do. :D
larry
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| Subject: | Re: KF2 Bungie connections |
WOW!!!
Thanks for posting that. Come to find out, mine are wrong. Guess I'll have to do
it correctly now.
Bradley
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Beemer
KF2 (and now an M3!)
Middle Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox III right gear leg, hub and wheel |
Bruce, I'm no expert, I got my liscence in my fox last fall. On run up on
asphalt, go to half throttle, get tail up, keep it strait, then firewall the
throttle. On grass I go full throttle before the tail is up. Just remember to
cover that rt rudder till you track the centerline. Steve Bennett 4 classic
speedwing 912
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| Subject: | Re: Woes of high speed taxiing |
At 05:01 AM 4/22/2008, you wrote:
>After repairs, I'm going to seek a qualified instructor before I do anything.
Good idea. Also, reading Stick and Rudder and Ed Downs'
Kitfox Pilot's Guide are good. Be wary, though. Few instructors have
the experience of anything as squirrelly as a Kitfox. I know our
local Citabria CFI expert nearly choked on her chewing gum the first
time she flew a IV. (She is also a Cub expert.) Look for someone with
time in a Lucsombe or Kitfox/Avid/Highlander/etc.
>Would an examination of the wing by a mechanic be warrented?
Did it touch the ground? If so, definitely.
By the way, I am of the pro-high speed taxi set. I
understand you can survive a long time wrestling it into the air as
soon as possible, and then keeping it off the ground as long as
possible via three-pointers, but I think it rather limits your
capabilities. (I suppose that, over time, you'll get more used to the
pedals and will be able to do wheel landings and the other things
that require high speed taxi capabilities, but how will you know?) I
suppose the best idea would be to learn to high-speed taxi on turf or
dirt, where you can slide around a little, then transition to the hard.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Woes of high speed taxiing |
Learn to tail up taxi your favorite taildragger. Then take the fox out and
practice the same thing. You won't get airborne if you keep the stick
forward.
My first two passes in my Kitfox were eye openers as I was NOT used to
the rudder effectiveness. SO I'm glad I practiced a bunch of tail up runs
in it first before I ever flew it.
I also had a 6500 ft. runway, wide enough to land a 747 on for practice
as well which made directional control not so critical as well. I just went
early in the morning and amused the controllers with my repeated
requests to fast taxi down the ruunway.
I'm not an expert, but my advice would be to get used to flying it on the
ground before you try to land it from the air ...
Jeff
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| Subject: | Woes of high speed taxiing |
You are so right. I have over 1300 hours on my Model IV. I let one person
fly my aircraft, didn't know him from Adam but met him at Reid Hillview Ai
rport. He said he owned several Lucsombe's. After taking off he flew arou
nd the area as I was pretty new in that area. He did a great job flying an
d I asked him if he wanted to land it. He said sure, I fly from the right
seat so he was in the left. He did a great job of landing and my only comm
ent was he flaired a little hot on speed, he said that he wanted to feel th
e aircraft in ground effect before he got it too slow.
Clint
@nethere.comSubject: Re: Kitfox-List: Woes of high speed taxiingAt 05:01 AM
4/22/2008, you wrote:
After repairs, I'm going to seek a qualified instructor before I do anythin
g. Good idea. Also, reading Stick and Rudder and Ed Downs' Kitfox Pi
lot's Guide are good. Be wary, though. Few instructors have the experience
of anything as squirrelly as a Kitfox. I know our local Citabria CFI expert
nearly choked on her chewing gum the first time she flew a IV. (She is als
o a Cub expert.) Look for someone with time in a Lucsombe or Kitfox/Avid/Hi
ghlander/etc.
Would an examination of the wing by a mechanic be warrented? Did it
touch the ground? If so, definitely. By the way, I am of the pro-hig
h speed taxi set. I understand you can survive a long time wrestling it int
o the air as soon as possible, and then keeping it off the ground as long a
s possible via three-pointers, but I think it rather limits your capabiliti
es. (I suppose that, over time, you'll get more used to the pedals and will
be able to do wheel landings and the other things that require high speed
taxi capabilities, but how will you know?) I suppose the best idea would be
to learn to high-speed taxi on turf or dirt, where you can slide around a
little, then transition to the hard.
Guy BuchananSan Diego, CAK-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostl
y to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | high speed taxiing |
In my opinion if you can't handle your plane on the ground with the tail up
or down you shouldn't be fly it.Dee YoungModel IIDo Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Woes of high speed taxiing |
Hey! Watch it fella. Don't you be calling my Fox "squirrelly!" She's "nimble!"
But if what you mean is that Kitfoxes don't handle like Cubs or Citabrias, you're
absolutely right. Ed Down's calls it "high performance" and I agree, at least
to the extent that characterization can be applied to an airplane that cruises
at 70 mph. ;-)
I tried high speed taxiing, should have gone ahead and flown. IMHO, it puts the
airplane in the most difficult part of the performance envelope and should
be avoided by novices. I ground looped . . . thank God for those droopy "wing
tip protectors."
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Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com> wrote:
At 05:01 AM 4/22/2008, you wrote:
After repairs, I'm going to seek a qualified instructor before I do anything.
Good idea. Also, reading Stick and Rudder and Ed Downs' Kitfox Pilot's
Guide are good. Be wary, though. Few instructors have the experience of anything
as squirrelly as a Kitfox. I know our local Citabria CFI expert nearly choked
on her chewing gum the first time she flew a IV. (She is also a Cub expert.)
Look for someone with time in a Lucsombe or Kitfox/Avid/Highlander/etc.
Would an examination of the wing by a mechanic be warrented?
Did it touch the ground? If so, definitely.
By the way, I am of the pro-high speed taxi set. I understand you can survive
a long time wrestling it into the air as soon as possible, and then keeping
it off the ground as long as possible via three-pointers, but I think it
rather limits your capabilities. (I suppose that, over time, you'll get more used
to the pedals and will be able to do wheel landings and the other things that
require high speed taxi capabilities, but how will you know?) I suppose the
best idea would be to learn to high-speed taxi on turf or dirt, where you can
slide around a little, then transition to the hard.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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| Subject: | Re: Woes of high speed taxiing |
> From: n85ae [n85ae@yahoo.com]
> Learn to tail up taxi your favorite taildragger.
I just love to land on an airfield with tower, on the numbers, then taxi with the
tail up to the taxiway I am asked to exit. I know that they watch me from the
tower and my ego feels good! :-) But, of course, it requires practice.
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Re: Woes of high speed taxiing |
While the Kitfox is defiantly "nimble". I flew my III home from
Buckeye, Az to where I keep it in Las Cruces, NM (except the last 60
miles). I had no previous time in a Kitfox except a little hands on in a
Kitfox IV thanks to a gentleman in the Phoenix area (no takeoffs and
landings). I had 20 hrs recent experience, 8 of which was in
taildraggers. 28 years I had not flown. I had about 20 total hours
tail dragger time at the time I lifted off at Buckeye. 2.7 hours of my
recent time was in a Cessna 140. I think it is way harder to fly the
140. I feel I am not qualified to fly a 140. My theory when I bought
my Kitfox was to take off with no high speed taxiing practice. I felt
that If I was to ding the plane up I should fly it as close to my home
as possible so the parts would at least be closer to home. When I took
off I was not getting full power due to prop adjustment so it took more
runway than I planned. I got a little squirrelly on the runway but was
finally airborne before it got too bad. My first Kitfox III landing was
2 hrs after taking off. I landed at Marana Regional, west of Tucson, AZ
to gas up just to see how much fuel I was using. My landing was 3 or 4
bounces and got a swerve or two on roll out. A friend said I should log
each of those bounces. When I took off from Marana I concentrated on
what I was doing and made a good takeoff (no swerves). I wasn't sure if
my transponder was working so before I left Marana I called Tucson
approach on the phone and asked if they would clear me through class C
airspace. The controller was cool and when I called after takeoff he
had me squawk 0401 (or some such) then he had me turn a heading of 180.
He said my transponder was working but showed some other code. I flew
the remaining 3.6 hours to Deming, NM at 7500 ft +/- 500' because of
thermal activity. I had planned to go all the way to Las Cruces, NM but
it was starting to get dark so I made a pretty good landing in Deming,
NM. I believe some of the reason I was able to fly the Kitfox is
because I made some rudder pedals for Microsoft Flight simulator and
spent a bunch of time practicing. That's my story. May have been the
crazy way to go but it was a Great Adventure.
Pete
Kitfox III N73BH 912 ul
----- Original Message -----
From: Marco Menezes
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Woes of high speed taxiing
Hey! Watch it fella. Don't you be calling my Fox "squirrelly!" She's
"nimble!" But if what you mean is that Kitfoxes don't handle like Cubs
or Citabrias, you're absolutely right. Ed Down's calls it "high
performance" and I agree, at least to the extent that characterization
can be applied to an airplane that cruises at 70 mph. ;-)
I tried high speed taxiing, should have gone ahead and flown. IMHO, it
puts the airplane in the most difficult part of the performance
envelope and should be avoided by novices. I ground looped . . . thank
God for those droopy "wing tip protectors."
do not archive
Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com> wrote:
At 05:01 AM 4/22/2008, you wrote:
After repairs, I'm going to seek a qualified instructor before I
do anything.
Good idea. Also, reading Stick and Rudder and Ed Downs'
Kitfox Pilot's Guide are good. Be wary, though. Few instructors have the
experience of anything as squirrelly as a Kitfox. I know our local
Citabria CFI expert nearly choked on her chewing gum the first time she
flew a IV. (She is also a Cub expert.) Look for someone with time in a
Lucsombe or Kitfox/Avid/Highlander/etc.
Would an examination of the wing by a mechanic be warrented?
Did it touch the ground? If so, definitely.
By the way, I am of the pro-high speed taxi set. I
understand you can survive a long time wrestling it into the
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| Subject: | Re: Woes of high speed taxiing |
What did you do to check the wing for damage? I have the droop tips too.
How did you repair the tip?
Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: Marco Menezes
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Woes of high speed taxiing
Hey! Watch it fella. Don't you be calling my Fox "squirrelly!" She's
"nimble!" But if what you mean is that Kitfoxes don't handle like Cubs
or Citabrias, you're absolutely right. Ed Down's calls it "high
performance" and I agree, at least to the extent that characterization
can be applied to an airplane that cruises at 70 mph. ;-)
I tried high speed taxiing, should have gone ahead and flown. IMHO, it
puts the airplane in the most difficult part of the performance
envelope and should be avoided by novices. I ground looped . . . thank
God for those droopy "wing tip protectors."
do not archive
Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com> wrote:
At 05:01 AM 4/22/2008, you wrote:
After repairs, I'm going to seek a qualified instructor before I
do anything.
Good idea. Also, reading Stick and Rudder and Ed Downs'
Kitfox Pilot's Guide are good. Be wary, though. Few instructors have the
experience of anything as squirrelly as a Kitfox. I know our local
Citabria CFI expert nearly choked on her chewing gum the first time she
flew a IV. (She is also a Cub expert.) Look for someone with time in a
Lucsombe or Kitfox/Avid/Highlander/etc.
Would an examination of the wing by a mechanic be warrented?
Did it touch the ground? If so, definitely.
By the way, I am of the pro-high speed taxi set. I
understand you can survive a long time wrestling it into the
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| Subject: | Re: Woes of high speed taxiing |
Good advice thanks.
----- Original Message -----
From: "n85ae" <n85ae@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 1:00 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Woes of high speed taxiing
>
> Learn to tail up taxi your favorite taildragger. Then take the fox out and
> practice the same thing. You won't get airborne if you keep the stick
> forward.
>
> My first two passes in my Kitfox were eye openers as I was NOT used to
> the rudder effectiveness. SO I'm glad I practiced a bunch of tail up runs
> in it first before I ever flew it.
>
> I also had a 6500 ft. runway, wide enough to land a 747 on for practice
> as well which made directional control not so critical as well. I just
> went
> early in the morning and amused the controllers with my repeated
> requests to fast taxi down the ruunway.
>
> I'm not an expert, but my advice would be to get used to flying it on the
> ground before you try to land it from the air ...
>
> Jeff
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=178491#178491
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Ignition switch replacement |
I lost the keys to my Kitfox so I checked Aircraft Spruce for prices on ignition
switches. I was a little surprised to find that the cheapest switch was $80.
Does that sound right or am I looking in the wrong place?
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Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
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| Subject: | Re: Short field take off : was 6" extension |
that was and still is me. I started the other site so those who wanted to be able
to discuss things openly and without moderation could do so. That is also
me flying the kitfox in the video on the full lotus, I plan on having more vids
done as soon as I get my Avid in the air.
To keep it on the short field take off thing, that is why I went with the IFA IVO
prop. Flatten out for max RPM to get it rolling, then as the run progresses
add pitch to keep RPM and EGT in check. The best of both worlds.
Yep the guys that take off short also go places. Maybe not coast to coast cross
country but I do leave the pattern after dang near every takeoff, unless I am
, gasp, practicing tough and goes or god forbid the dreaded stop and go. I
routinely fly out of airports that have 8500' of runway, yet I strive to use as
little as possible as I am quite sure my next landing or takeoff will be out
of a 400' or less dirt grass or gravel strip that would leave most in need of
new shorts.
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DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
95% complete
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| Subject: | Re: Ignition switch replacement |
Mr. Wingnut,
Is this what your looking for? It's a "start" only, (momentary 'on') no mag switching
function.
If it is, I'll let ya have it for say.......... nothing. I'll never use it. (famous
last words eh?)
Still in sealed bag.
Steve
84KF
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Remember Guys,when I asked every one for ideas for a TRAILER??this past
winter?I took all of your ideas+mine.I drew my own plans what I thought
a trailer should be.and here is the finished idea..I had it built by a
Trailer company called Weld Tech..This is the first time that I had a
airplane on it,on a 100 mile trip.right down I-75.at 60-65mph with no
problems..This will haul all most any single engine airplane TW or tri
gear airplane..and it will fit in a 1 car garage..this plane is a 1948
C170.4 place airplane.tri gear planes fit on the orther way,nose wheel
sits in the V nose of the trailer..airplanes all sit close to the
ground,,all so trailer has wing racks on each side for up right
hauling,tri gear main landing gear sits on out riggers attched to the
trailer that pulls out in the V part of trailer on the out side of the
frame.I can haul any single airplane up to app 2500 lbs.I have showed
this to a few people and airplane haulers.and they are interested in
buying them.I have one sold all ready so far..NOW I want more help from
all of you what do you think of this set up??will it sell???do you think
there is a market??I have sold 1 all ready,and the trailer company is
building the next on for me.this will be trailer no 3..this trailer here
that you see is no.1,,and is the pro type trailer or demo trailer..I
want to have a web site set up to market these..any ideas???think it
will work??? THANKS Kitfox family for all your ideas for this
trailer....STEVE SHINABERY N554KF + KF2 ,,P.S.all so this trailer
will be on display at the GREAT LAKES AREA KITFOX FLY-IN Sunday May
11th at Celina Oh..{CQA}west central Ohio,,oh yes the trailer has 2
different toungs all so a short + long one.and all so has a winch..along
letter you are all board probley now..just wanted to see what every one
thinks of it...
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another picture of trailer at a road side rest area north of Cincinnati
Ohio on I75 heading home to Lake field airport.handles great.but be care
full not to run over the mail box across the road from my home on the
way out ,to pick this up :-[ it is extra long,,,STEVE SHINABERY N554KF KF2
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