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1. 05:23 AM - Re: Trailer (John W. Hart)
2. 06:13 AM - Re: Woes of high speed taxiing (Marco Menezes)
3. 07:41 AM - Re: Trailer (wingnut)
4. 08:34 AM - Re: Re: KF2 Bungie connections (Noel Loveys)
5. 08:38 AM - Re: Woes of high speed taxiing (Noel Loveys)
6. 09:24 AM - Re: Woes of high speed taxiing (akflyer)
7. 09:33 AM - Re: Kitfox III right gear leg, hub and wheel (akflyer)
8. 10:20 AM - Re: Trailer (Guy Buchanan)
9. 11:00 AM - Re: Re: Short field take off : was 6" extension (Clint Bazzill)
10. 11:52 AM - Re: Re: Trailer (Lynn Matteson)
11. 12:49 PM - Re: Re: Trailer (Rexinator)
12. 12:56 PM - Re: Re: Trailer (samscycles@juno.com)
13. 03:38 PM - Re: Re: Trailer (Noel Loveys)
14. 04:13 PM - Looking for a prop (Jim Gilliatt)
15. 04:19 PM - Re: Re: Short field take off : was 6" extension (John W. Hart)
16. 04:23 PM - Re: Re: Trailer (paul wilson)
17. 05:35 PM - Re: Ignition switch replacement (wingnut)
18. 07:42 PM - Re: KF2 Bungie connections (corbob13)
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Looks similar to what I built.
John Hart
KF IV
Wilburton. ok
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of steve shinabery
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 12:34 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Trailer
Remember Guys,when I asked every one for ideas for a TRAILER??this past
winter?I took all of your ideas+mine.I drew my own plans what I thought a
trailer should be.and here is the finished idea..I had it built by a Trailer
company called Weld Tech..This is the first time that I had a airplane on
it,on a 100 mile trip.right down I-75.at 60-65mph with no problems..This
will haul all most any single engine airplane TW or tri gear airplane..and
it will fit in a 1 car garage..this plane is a 1948
C170.4 place airplane.tri gear planes fit on the orther way,nose wheel sits
in the V nose of the trailer..airplanes all sit close to the ground,,all so
trailer has wing racks on each side for up right hauling,tri gear main
landing gear sits on out riggers attched to the trailer that pulls out in
the V part of trailer on the out side of the frame.I can haul any single
airplane up to app 2500 lbs.I have showed this to a few people and airplane
haulers.and they are interested in buying them.I have one sold all ready so
far..NOW I want more help from all of you what do you think of this set
up??will it sell???do you think there is a market??I have sold 1 all
ready,and the trailer company is building the next on for me.this will be
trailer no 3..this trailer here that you see is no.1,,and is the pro type
trailer or demo trailer..I want to have a web site set up to market
these..any ideas???think it will work??? THANKS Kitfox family for all your
ideas for this
trailer....STEVE SHINABERY N554KF + KF2 ,,P.S.all so this trailer
will be on display at the GREAT LAKES AREA KITFOX FLY-IN Sunday May
11th at Celina Oh..{CQA}west central Ohio,,oh yes the trailer has 2
different toungs all so a short + long one.and all so has a winch..along
letter you are all board probley now..just wanted to see what every one
thinks of it...
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Subject: | Re: Woes of high speed taxiing |
Hi Bruce.
The loop was on grass and my wingtip barely touched. The incident was more of
an embarrassment than anything else. I have (unopened) inspection holes near
the wingtips but did not think it warranted to cut open for inspection. In the
end, all I had to do was clean up a little dirt and add touch-up paint to the
tip (and to my ego).
I would think, though, that more serious damage to these tips would be easily
reparable with an inexpensive fiberglass repair kit.
Bruce Jolene <brucejolene@iowatelecom.net> wrote:
What did you do to check the wing for damage? I have the droop tips too.
How did you repair the tip?
Bruce
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From: Marco Menezes
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Woes of high speed taxiing
Hey! Watch it fella. Don't you be calling my Fox "squirrelly!" She's "nimble!"
But if what you mean is that Kitfoxes don't handle like Cubs or Citabrias, you're
absolutely right. Ed Down's calls it "high performance" and I agree, at
least to the extent that characterization can be applied to an airplane that cruises
at 70 mph. ;-)
I tried high speed taxiing, should have gone ahead and flown. IMHO, it puts the
airplane in the most difficult part of the performance envelope and should
be avoided by novices. I ground looped . . . thank God for those droopy "wing
tip protectors."
do not archive
Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com> wrote:
At 05:01 AM 4/22/2008, you wrote:
After repairs, I'm going to seek a qualified instructor before I do anything.
Good idea. Also, reading Stick and Rudder and Ed Downs' Kitfox Pilot's
Guide are good. Be wary, though. Few instructors have the experience of anything
as squirrelly as a Kitfox. I know our local Citabria CFI expert nearly choked
on her chewing gum the first time she flew a IV. (She is also a Cub expert.)
Look for someone with time in a Lucsombe or Kitfox/Avid/Highlander/etc.
Would an examination of the wing by a mechanic be warrented?
Did it touch the ground? If so, definitely.
By the way, I am of the pro-high speed taxi set. I understand you can survive
a long time wrestling it into the
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> .NOW I want more help from
> all of you what do you think of this set up??will it sell???do you think
> there is a market??I have sold 1 all ready,and the trailer company is
> building the next on for me.this will be trailer no 3..this trailer here
> that you see is no.1,,and is the pro type trailer or demo trailer..I
> want to have a web site set up to market these..any ideas???think it
> will work???
Nice trailer. As for the viability from a business perspective, I think much depends
on your expectations. Would you be happy if you sold ten in a year? With
general aviation being a shrinking industry, I think that number would be more
likely than 100. For what it's worth, here's what I would do:
First, use the money from your first sale and buy a MIG welder and a chop saw then
take a welding class. Building your own trailers will maximize your profit
and you get to learn something.
Second, rather than building a particular trailer and then trying to sell it, I'd
approach the business as more of a "custom aviation trailer" shop. That way,
you can tweak your trailers to the unique needs of each customer. I for one
would rather have a trailer that is built specifically for my Kitfox with a suspension
tuned for my airplane's weight rather than a 'one size fits all' approach.
Hope this helps.
--------
Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
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Subject: | Re: KF2 Bungie connections |
Mark:
You should never apply any metal that doesn't spark on a grindstone.
Aluminium should only be filed. Filing will cause a little heat but because
it is slower and the filing is more of a cutting action the heat generated
is much lower.
When you grind the aluminium small particles of the aluminium get imbedded
into the stone. The next time the stone is used the particles can expand
and cause the stone to fly apart. With the speed of modern bench top
grinders this can be very dangerous. Fragments of the stone can depart the
grinder at a fearsome rate of knots! I've seen the results of grinding
aluminium in the form of pieces grindstone hanging out of a wall.
Brass, copper and bronze are also best avoided with a grinder.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Summers, Mark
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:23 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: KF2 Bungie connections
A word of caution, the instructions are to grind/file down the aluminum
nico press type sleeve on one end of each bungee. I did this and I have
to assume that the heat caused my brand new bungee rubber bands at the
end to break during the installation. I thought I was going slow enough
to not create that much heat, but the instructions were very good and
very much needed on my part. Thanks
Mark Summers kf2 582 [maybe,eventually]
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 10:26 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: KF2 Bungie connections
tc9008(at)aol.com wrote:
> I will be changing mine on a 4. Please send the instructions also
> Travis
> --
To those of you who were asking about the bungie install instructions,
thanks to Tom Jones for digging them out, here they are. Hopefully this
works.
Deke
S5 Subaru
NE Michigan
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List Administrator
Kitfox S5 TD
NSI/CAP
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Subject: | Woes of high speed taxiing |
It never hurts to have another party check out any repairs you make to your
plane. When you find the instructor both of you should do an in depth walk
around. Point out any place you may have worked on.
Sigtaturea
Noel Loveys
Campbellton, NL, Canada
CDN AME intern, PP-Rec
C-FINB, Kitfox III-A
582 B box, Ivo IFA, Aerocet 1100 floats
noelloveys@yahoo.ca
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Woes of high speed taxiing
At 05:01 AM 4/22/2008, you wrote:
After repairs, I'm going to seek a qualified instructor before I do
anything.
Good idea. Also, reading Stick and Rudder and Ed Downs' Kitfox
Pilot's Guide are good. Be wary, though. Few instructors have the experience
of anything as squirrelly as a Kitfox. I know our local Citabria CFI expert
nearly choked on her chewing gum the first time she flew a IV. (She is also
a Cub expert.) Look for someone with time in a Lucsombe or
Kitfox/Avid/Highlander/etc.
Would an examination of the wing by a mechanic be warrented?
Did it touch the ground? If so, definitely.
By the way, I am of the pro-high speed taxi set. I understand you
can survive a long time wrestling it into the air as soon as possible, and
then keeping it off the ground as long as possible via three-pointers, but I
think it rather limits your capabilities. (I suppose that, over time, you'll
get more used to the pedals and will be able to do wheel landings and the
other things that require high speed taxi capabilities, but how will you
know?) I suppose the best idea would be to learn to high-speed taxi on turf
or dirt, where you can slide around a little, then transition to the hard.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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Subject: | Re: Woes of high speed taxiing |
[quote="msm_9949(at)yahoo.com"]Hi Bruce.
The loop was on grass and my wingtip barely touched. The incident was more of
an embarrassment than anything else. I have (unopened) inspection holes near
the wingtips but did not think it warranted to cut open for inspection. In the
end, all I had to do was clean up a little dirt and add touch-up paint to the
tip (and to my ego).
I would think, though, that more serious damage to these tips would be easily
reparable with an inexpensive fiberglass repair kit.
Bruce Jolene wrote:
[quote] What did you do to check the wing for damage? I have the droop
tips too.
How did you repair the tip?
Bruce
> ---
I have done repairs to the wing tips using both fiberglass resin / cloth and thin
CA used for R/C models. Both have held up well. The First repair was done
by just wicking thin CA into the joint as the tips were starting to de-laminate
at the trailing edge. This repair held up quite well until a gear failure
led to a modified ground loop with a 1 1/2 ganier flip / twist... That repair
called for serious fiberglass work, but nothing exotic.
I just completed repairs on the wing tips for my Avid that were damaged by the
previous owner in a manuver pretty much inline with the above described event
/ ride my brother so graciously felt the need to share with me.
--------
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
95% complete
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Subject: | Re: Kitfox III right gear leg, hub and wheel |
If you have the stock gear legs, I would suggest giving Steve Winder a call at
Airdale and get a set of the extended gear. The wider stance will make the ground
loops less likely in the future.
--------
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
95% complete
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At 10:33 PM 4/22/2008, you wrote:
>NOW I want more help from all of you what do you think of this set
>up??will it sell???do you think there is a market??I have sold 1 all
>ready,and the trailer company is building the next on for me.this
>will be trailer no 3..this trailer here that you see is no.1
There may be a small market for such a trailer. A few months
ago we had a Luscombe groundloop with severe damage. The local
airport bums, (me included,) basically carried the plane off the
runway, but then it had to be disassembled for return to the pilot's
home base. (No repair facility locally.) Fortunately one of the FBO's
had this huge trailer that was designed to carry disassembled
airplanes so we loaded it and sent him off.
I would guess that every region needs some capacity for
dealing with damaged aircraft. You could market it to one of the FBOs
in the region and promise to advertise that purchase throughout the
region so people could come beg/borrow/rent it.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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Subject: | Re: Short field take off : was 6" extension |
Getting out in a Kitfox or Avid is easy. Getting in is tough. Clint> Subj
ect: Kitfox-List: Re: Short field take off : was 6" extension> From: akflye
r_2000@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:38:29 -0700> To: kitfox-list@ma
ahoo.com>> > that was and still is me. I started the other site so those wh
o wanted to be able to discuss things openly and without moderation could d
o so. That is also me flying the kitfox in the video on the full lotus, I p
lan on having more vids done as soon as I get my Avid in the air.> > To kee
p it on the short field take off thing, that is why I went with the IFA IVO
prop. Flatten out for max RPM to get it rolling, then as the run progresse
s add pitch to keep RPM and EGT in check. The best of both worlds.> > Yep t
he guys that take off short also go places. Maybe not coast to coast cross
country but I do leave the pattern after dang near every takeoff, unless I
am , gasp, practicing tough and goes or god forbid the dreaded stop and go.
I routinely fly out of airports that have 8500' of runway, yet I strive to
use as little as possible as I am quite sure my next landing or takeoff wi
ll be out of a 400' or less dirt grass or gravel strip that would leave mos
t in need of new shorts.> > --------> DO NOT ARCHIVE> Leonard Perry> Soldot
na AK> Avid "C" / Mk IV > 582 IVO IFA> Full Lotus 1260> 95% compl
ete> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/vi
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I think the key to the whole thing is the suspension issue. Anybody
can put together a trailer, but to be able to get the plane from A to
B without "shakedown" damage is the utmost thing that I'd worry
about, and carrying too little weight on a stiffly-suspended trailer
will kill a light plane, or at least injure it.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/490+ hrs
On Apr 23, 2008, at 10:38 AM, wingnut wrote:
>
>
>> .NOW I want more help from
>> all of you what do you think of this set up??will it sell???do you
>> think
>> there is a market??I have sold 1 all ready,and the trailer company is
>> building the next on for me.this will be trailer no 3..this
>> trailer here
>> that you see is no.1,,and is the pro type trailer or demo trailer..I
>> want to have a web site set up to market these..any ideas???think it
>> will work???
>
>
> Nice trailer. As for the viability from a business perspective, I
> think much depends on your expectations. Would you be happy if you
> sold ten in a year? With general aviation being a shrinking
> industry, I think that number would be more likely than 100. For
> what it's worth, here's what I would do:
>
> First, use the money from your first sale and buy a MIG welder and
> a chop saw then take a welding class. Building your own trailers
> will maximize your profit and you get to learn something.
>
> Second, rather than building a particular trailer and then trying
> to sell it, I'd approach the business as more of a "custom aviation
> trailer" shop. That way, you can tweak your trailers to the unique
> needs of each customer. I for one would rather have a trailer that
> is built specifically for my Kitfox with a suspension tuned for my
> airplane's weight rather than a 'one size fits all' approach.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> --------
> Luis Rodriguez
> Model IV 1200
> Rotax 912UL
> Flying Weekly
> Laurens, SC (34A)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=178656#178656
>
>
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Maybe an adjustable air suspension or air shock absorber option?
--
Rex Hefferan
SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs
Lynn Matteson wrote:
>
> I think the key to the whole thing is the suspension issue. Anybody
> can put together a trailer, but to be able to get the plane from A to
> B without "shakedown" damage is the utmost thing that I'd worry
> about, and carrying too little weight on a stiffly-suspended trailer
> will kill a light plane, or at least injure it.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Grass Lake, Michigan
> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
> flying w/490+ hrs
>
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Price and availability would be a big factor???
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Why not just add a couple of hundred pounds of ballast to the trailer..
visit a shop and try to make the ballast usable or at least saleable when
you get home.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rexinator
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Trailer
Maybe an adjustable air suspension or air shock absorber option?
--
Rex Hefferan
SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs
Lynn Matteson wrote:
>
> I think the key to the whole thing is the suspension issue. Anybody
> can put together a trailer, but to be able to get the plane from A to
> B without "shakedown" damage is the utmost thing that I'd worry
> about, and carrying too little weight on a stiffly-suspended trailer
> will kill a light plane, or at least injure it.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Grass Lake, Michigan
> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
> flying w/490+ hrs
>
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Subject: | Looking for a prop |
Anyone out there,
I am looking for a 3 bladed prop that is composite, 68 inches and is a
right-hand turn.
Thanks,
Jim Gilliatt
jim.gilliatt@att.net
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Subject: | Re: Short field take off : was 6" extension |
I can land any airplane anywhere.......once!
That's what I used to tell some of the folks I flew out to go hunting in
Alaska when the began quizzing me about landing the Maule M6-235 on this or
that gravel bar, steep hill and brushy open area.
Then, I'd tell them if they survived, they may have to walk home.
John Hart
KF IV
Wilburton, OK
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clint Bazzill
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 12:57 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Short field take off : was 6" extension
Getting out in a Kitfox or Avid is easy. Getting in is tough. Clint
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Short field take off : was 6" extension
> From: akflyer_2000@yahoo.com
> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:38:29 -0700
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>
>
> that was and still is me. I started the other site so those who wanted to
be able to discuss things openly and without moderation could do so. That is
also me flying the kitfox in the video on the full lotus, I plan on having
more vids done as soon as I get my Avid in the air.
>
> To keep it on the short field take off thing, that is why I went with the
IFA IVO prop. Flatten out for max RPM to get it rolling, then as the run
progresses add pitch to keep RPM and EGT in check. The best of both worlds.
>
> Yep the guys that take off short also go places. Maybe not coast to coast
cross country but I do leave the pattern after dang near every takeoff,
unless I am , gasp, practicing tough and goes or god forbid the dreaded stop
and go. I routinely fly out of airports that have 8500' of runway, yet I
strive to use as little as possible as I am quite sure my next landing or
takeoff will be out of a 400' or less dirt grass or gravel strip that would
leave most in need of new shorts.
>
> --------
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> Leonard Perry
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C" / Mk IV
> 582 IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1260
> 95% complete
>
>
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Yes,and lower the tire pressure on the trailer and the plane makes
the ride nice and soft. Put a soft sponce ball under the tail of the
plane to save the back end. Woke for me for 500 miles using a 7000
pound gross car hauler.
Paul
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At 04:35 PM 4/23/2008, you wrote:
>
>Why not just add a couple of hundred pounds of ballast to the trailer..
>visit a shop and try to make the ballast usable or at least saleable when
>you get home.
>
>Noel
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rexinator
>Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 5:17 PM
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Trailer
>
>
>Maybe an adjustable air suspension or air shock absorber option?
>
>--
>Rex Hefferan
>SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs
>
>
>Lynn Matteson wrote:
>
> >
> > I think the key to the whole thing is the suspension issue. Anybody
> > can put together a trailer, but to be able to get the plane from A to
> > B without "shakedown" damage is the utmost thing that I'd worry
> > about, and carrying too little weight on a stiffly-suspended trailer
> > will kill a light plane, or at least injure it.
> >
> > Lynn Matteson
> > Grass Lake, Michigan
> > Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
> > flying w/490+ hrs
> >
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Ignition switch replacement |
Thanks Steve. I found a tractor ignition at tractor supply that worked perfectly.
The whole thing with two keys costs less than getting a key made.
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Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
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Subject: | Re: KF2 Bungie connections |
Timely post on bungee installation. I've just reinstalled a new leg on my machine
and was actually attempting the bungee installation earlier this evening.
After some colorful comments I thought I should check the forum archives for
some tips... and voila, here's a fresh post. I have a comment and a question.
If the bungee is being put on a model 2 (as mine is) the arrangement of the lugs
is a bit different than illustrated in the previously posted instruction. I've
attached a scan of the manual which illustrates how the cord is wrapped.
Note that there are only two lugs; this jives with what's on my plane.
Now the question: How exactly does a guys make six wraps of this thing? Four,
easy... Five possible... Six?!? Does anyone have any tricks I could try?
Cory
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Cory
N903DB
Kitfox Model II, Rotax 582
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