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1. 12:21 AM - Re: Re: KF2 Bungie connections (Michel Verheughe)
2. 04:39 AM - Re: Re: KF2 Bungie connections (Noel Loveys)
3. 04:47 AM - Re: Woes of high speed taxiing (Bruce Jolene)
4. 05:45 AM - Re: KF2 Bungie connections (dave)
5. 06:41 AM - Re: Re: KF2 Bungie connections (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
6. 08:04 AM - Re: Re: KF2 Bungie connections (Guy Buchanan)
7. 08:20 AM - Model 2 rudder pedal SB (Jeffrey Dill)
8. 09:04 AM - Re: Re: KF2 Bungie connections (Pete Christensen)
9. 09:11 AM - Full lotus amphib floats (Brian Morissette)
10. 09:27 AM - Re: Re: KF2 Bungie connections (Bob Jones)
11. 09:52 AM - Re: Model 2 rudder pedal SB (Guy Buchanan)
12. 12:26 PM - Re: Re: KF2 Bungie connections (Clint Bazzill)
13. 02:45 PM - Re: Model 2 rudder pedal SB (dave)
14. 06:51 PM - Re: Re: KF2 Bungie connections (GONER752@aol.com)
15. 08:36 PM - Re: KF2 Bungie connections (akflyer)
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| Subject: | Re: KF2 Bungie connections |
> From: corbob13 [corbob13@netnet.net]
> Does anyone have any tricks I could try?
Well ... it's a two-man's job and a lot of cursing. The trick is how not to loose
tension as you pull the next loop. Here is what I did at the third attempt
but I am not sure it will work for all.
First, in order to keep the gears from collapsing, I make a Spanish windlass with
a thick strong rope between the two gears. Then, after the first loop, I use
a flat nylon ribbon and tie the bungee with a clove hitch knot. I then tie the
end of the ribbon to the thick rope between the gears. Then I do the next loop
with another ribbon. Then a third one. Now, I draw the slack in each ribbon
and I release the first one to be used as the fourth on.
The reason for using flat nylon ribbons is that it is the only way you can release
it from around the bungee loops that are so tight together around the crossbar.
The reason for the clove hitch knot is that it is the best knot for anything
under constant load. You can untie it very easily. (I have sailed for 50
years!)
Good luck and remember: To curse is human! :-)
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Re: KF2 Bungie connections |
I put the back loop on first so I would have a straighter pull to tighten
the front. I then put around three turns on the gear and tied a piece of
3/8 rope to it. The rope is also a large loop that I can get a good grab on.
Start at the first loop and tighten it as much as possible. When you have
the third loop tighten continue adding and tightening one turn at a time.
When I got the last turn on and tight I replaced the 38 rope with some
strong string to help me fit the loop over the front stud. What I found
really made installation hard was the small clearance the shock cord has to
pass in the skin.
I have read on past posts where guys have used petroleum jelly to make the
cords slide easier while being installed. I have left my plane on floats
the past two years to avoid having to mess with those chords again :-)
Noel Loveys
AME Intern, RPP
Kitfox III-A, 582,B box
Ivo IFA, Aerocet 1100 floats
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of corbob13
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 12:10 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: KF2 Bungie connections
Timely post on bungee installation. I've just reinstalled a new leg on my
machine and was actually attempting the bungee installation earlier this
evening. After some colorful comments I thought I should check the forum
archives for some tips... and voila, here's a fresh post. I have a comment
and a question.
If the bungee is being put on a model 2 (as mine is) the arrangement of the
lugs is a bit different than illustrated in the previously posted
instruction. I've attached a scan of the manual which illustrates how the
cord is wrapped. Note that there are only two lugs; this jives with what's
on my plane.
Now the question: How exactly does a guys make six wraps of this thing?
Four, easy... Five possible... Six?!? Does anyone have any tricks I could
try?
Cory
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Cory
N903DB
Kitfox Model II, Rotax 582
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| Subject: | Re: Woes of high speed taxiing |
thanks.
----- Original Message -----
From: Marco Menezes
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 8:10 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Woes of high speed taxiing
Hi Bruce.
The loop was on grass and my wingtip barely touched. The incident was
more of an embarrassment than anything else. I have (unopened)
inspection holes near the wingtips but did not think it warranted to cut
open for inspection. In the end, all I had to do was clean up a little
dirt and add touch-up paint to the tip (and to my ego).
I would think, though, that more serious damage to these tips would be
easily reparable with an inexpensive fiberglass repair kit.
Bruce Jolene <brucejolene@iowatelecom.net> wrote:
What did you do to check the wing for damage? I have the droop tips
too.
How did you repair the tip?
Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: Marco Menezes
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Woes of high speed taxiing
Hey! Watch it fella. Don't you be calling my Fox "squirrelly!"
She's "nimble!" But if what you mean is that Kitfoxes don't handle like
Cubs or Citabrias, you're absolutely right. Ed Down's calls it "high
performance" and I agree, at least to the extent that characterization
can be applied to an airplane that cruises at 70 mph. ;-)
I tried high speed taxiing, should have gone ahead and flown.
IMHO, it puts the airplane in the most difficult part of the
performance envelope and should be avoided by novices. I ground looped .
. . thank God for those droopy "wing tip protectors."
do not archive
Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com> wrote:
At 05:01 AM 4/22/2008, you wrote:
After repairs, I'm going to seek a qualified instructor before
I do anything.
Good idea. Also, reading Stick and Rudder and Ed Downs'
Kitfox Pilot's Guide are good. Be wary, though. Few instructors have the
experience of anything as squirrelly as a Kitfox. I know our local
Citabria CFI expert nearly choked on her chewing gum the first time she
flew a IV. (She is also a Cub expert.) Look for someone with time in a
Lucsombe or Kitfox/Avid/Highlander/etc.
Would an examination of the wing by a mechanic be warrented?
Did it touch the ground? If so, definitely.
By the way, I am of the pro-high speed taxi set. I
understand you can survive a long time wrestling it into the
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| Subject: | Re: KF2 Bungie connections |
> Now the question: How exactly does a guys make six wraps of this thing? Four,
easy... Five possible... Six?!? Does anyone have any tricks I could try?
>
> Cory
Well my Model has run last 2 years on wheels and skis with 5 wraps on bungees over
10 years old. Other than about 4 months a year on amphibs. IT a bit softer
but it does seem to work. Just make sure you use safety cables although
some here will try to tell you different.
I do what works -- eom
--------
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
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| Subject: | Re: KF2 Bungie connections |
I just put the bungees back on my Avid MK IV yesterday and it took less tha
n 15 minutes for my son and myself. One trick is to mark the bungees with
a marker--devide the length of the bungee by the number or raps and mark th
ere and then halfway between each mark. One person above, one person below
. Each person now has a mark to strech the bungee to, then he holds it the
re, passes the end to the other person who pulls the bungee tight to his ma
rk, ect, ect. When you get to the end, the right length of bungee is there
to hook on and all the raps have equal tension. Hope this helps, Jim Chu
k Avids Kitfox 4 Mn> From: noelloveys@yahoo.ca> To: kitfox-list@matron
ics.com> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: KF2 Bungie connections> Date: Thu, 2
s" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>> > I put the back loop on first so I would have a
straighter pull to tighten> the front. I then put around three turns on the
gear and tied a piece of> 3/8 rope to it. The rope is also a large loop th
at I can get a good grab on.> Start at the first loop and tighten it as muc
h as possible. When you have> the third loop tighten continue adding and ti
ghtening one turn at a time.> When I got the last turn on and tight I repla
ced the 38 rope with some> strong string to help me fit the loop over the f
ront stud. What I found> really made installation hard was the small cleara
nce the shock cord has to> pass in the skin. > > I have read on past posts
where guys have used petroleum jelly to make the> cords slide easier while
being installed. I have left my plane on floats> the past two years to avoi
d having to mess with those chords again :-)> > > Noel Loveys> AME Intern,
RPP> Kitfox III-A, 582,B box> Ivo IFA, Aerocet 1100 floats> > > > -----Orig
inal Message-----> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com> [mailto:ow
ner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of corbob13> Sent: Thursday
, April 24, 2008 12:10 AM> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> Subject: Kitfox-L
ob13" <corbob13@netnet.net>> > Timely post on bungee installation. I've jus
t reinstalled a new leg on my> machine and was actually attempting the bung
ee installation earlier this> evening. After some colorful comments I thoug
ht I should check the forum> archives for some tips... and voila, here's a
fresh post. I have a comment> and a question.> > If the bungee is being put
on a model 2 (as mine is) the arrangement of the> lugs is a bit different
than illustrated in the previously posted> instruction. I've attached a sca
n of the manual which illustrates how the> cord is wrapped. Note that there
are only two lugs; this jives with what's> on my plane. > > Now the questi
on: How exactly does a guys make six wraps of this thing?> Four, easy... Fi
ve possible... Six?!? Does anyone have any tricks I could> try?> > Cory> >
--------> Cory> > N903DB> Kitfox Model II, Rotax 582> > > > > Read this top
ic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=178851#178
851> > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/kf_bungee_
2_175.jpg> http://forums.matronics.com//files/kf_bungee_1_197.jpg> > > > >
===> > >
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| Subject: | Re: KF2 Bungie connections |
At 07:39 PM 4/23/2008, you wrote:
>Now the question: How exactly does a guys make six wraps of this
>thing? Four, easy... Five possible... Six?!? Does anyone have any
>tricks I could try?
Cory,
Check the archives again! This topic gets covered at least
once a year and there are innumerable methods. Mine is to get 4
wraps, then pull the slack to one end using channel-locks, then clamp
the 3rd wrap to the tube using vice grips and leather, then get two
more wraps, repeat until you get six. You can do it solo and with not
much cursing.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Model 2 rudder pedal SB |
I have a model 2. I printed a Skystar list of Service bulletins before they went
out of business and they listed #47 Rudder Pedal Torque Tube Cracking applicable
to M1, M2, M3, M4, C4, dated 8/22/1995.
Now, on the Kitfox Aircraft LLC site, the only Rudder pedal SB I see is #38 dated
5/15/94 which pertains to S5 Vixens.
Why do the SB lists not match up? Do I need to reinforce my rudder pedals, and
if so, how do I get a copy of the procedure?
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Jeff Dill
Model 2, 767JD
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| Subject: | Re: KF2 Bungie connections |
Don't use petroleum jelly. It attacks rubber. Maybe KY?
Pete
PS I'm still offering a free bungee to anyone in need. Got it with my
Kitfox III. Just pay the shipping.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 5:36 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: KF2 Bungie connections
>
> I put the back loop on first so I would have a straighter pull to tighten
> the front. I then put around three turns on the gear and tied a piece of
> 3/8 rope to it. The rope is also a large loop that I can get a good grab
> on.
> Start at the first loop and tighten it as much as possible. When you have
> the third loop tighten continue adding and tightening one turn at a time.
> When I got the last turn on and tight I replaced the 38 rope with some
> strong string to help me fit the loop over the front stud. What I found
> really made installation hard was the small clearance the shock cord has
> to
> pass in the skin.
>
> I have read on past posts where guys have used petroleum jelly to make the
> cords slide easier while being installed. I have left my plane on floats
> the past two years to avoid having to mess with those chords again :-)
>
>
> Noel Loveys
> AME Intern, RPP
> Kitfox III-A, 582,B box
> Ivo IFA, Aerocet 1100 floats
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of corbob13
> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 12:10 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: KF2 Bungie connections
>
>
> Timely post on bungee installation. I've just reinstalled a new leg on my
> machine and was actually attempting the bungee installation earlier this
> evening. After some colorful comments I thought I should check the forum
> archives for some tips... and voila, here's a fresh post. I have a
> comment
> and a question.
>
> If the bungee is being put on a model 2 (as mine is) the arrangement of
> the
> lugs is a bit different than illustrated in the previously posted
> instruction. I've attached a scan of the manual which illustrates how the
> cord is wrapped. Note that there are only two lugs; this jives with
> what's
> on my plane.
>
> Now the question: How exactly does a guys make six wraps of this thing?
> Four, easy... Five possible... Six?!? Does anyone have any tricks I could
> try?
>
> Cory
>
> --------
> Cory
>
> N903DB
> Kitfox Model II, Rotax 582
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=178851#178851
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/kf_bungee_2_175.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/kf_bungee_1_197.jpg
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Full lotus amphib floats |
Hello folks
I have a KF 4 1200 and would like to install a set of full lotus floats with
wheels. Are there any good used sets out there? Has anyone run into problems
with this type of float installation? It would be nice to hear of a few
success stories as well.
Thanks a bunch
Brian Morissette
Sudbury Ontario Can.
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| Subject: | Re: KF2 Bungie connections |
I used a similar method solo. Measured and marked where bungees should go
around tubes when completed, streched bungees till beyond that location
knowing there would likely be some slippage and used padded vice grips to
hold for next wrap or two. Biggest problem was blisters on my apparently
tender paws from not wearing gloves and streching bungees bare pawed. Used
kitfox factory bungees rather than risk wrong material or technique, and
duplicated number of wraps on 10 year old originals that began sagging a
little when loaded.
Bob Jones
N154K/N626NR
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Guy Buchanan" <bnn@nethere.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: KF2 Bungie connections
>
> At 07:39 PM 4/23/2008, you wrote:
>>Now the question: How exactly does a guys make six wraps of this thing?
>>Four, easy... Five possible... Six?!? Does anyone have any tricks I could
>>try?
>
> Cory,
> Check the archives again! This topic gets covered at least once a
> year and there are innumerable methods. Mine is to get 4 wraps, then pull
> the slack to one end using channel-locks, then clamp the 3rd wrap to the
> tube using vice grips and leather, then get two more wraps, repeat until
> you get six. You can do it solo and with not much cursing.
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> San Diego, CA
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Model 2 rudder pedal SB |
Jeff,
You're looking for Service LETTER #47. It can be found at:
http://www.kitfoxaircraft.com/Service%20Letters.htm. A better copy
with a picture can be found at:
http://kitfox.lazair.com/skystar/Service_Letters/index.htm. Don't ask
me why Skystar had bulletins and letters.
Now you'll notice that neither says what to do. Various
reinforcements have been used. Mine consists of tube width straps
wrapped around a tube then along it's perpendicular mate about two
diameters. This strap is welded all around. I'll send pictures tomorrow.
At 08:17 AM 4/24/2008, you wrote:
>I have a model 2. I printed a Skystar list of Service bulletins
>before they went out of business and they listed #47 Rudder Pedal
>Torque Tube Cracking applicable to M1, M2, M3, M4, C4, dated 8/22/1995.
>
>
>Now, on the Kitfox Aircraft LLC site, the only Rudder pedal SB I see
>is #38 dated 5/15/94 which pertains to S5 Vixens.
>
>Why do the SB lists not match up? Do I need to reinforce my rudder
>pedals, and if so, how do I get a copy of the procedure?
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: KF2 Bungie connections |
When I was using bungies, would take a 1" X 1" X 2' board and bump the wrap
s together using a hammer. That would allow more room for the last 1 or 2
wraps. Worked very well for me. Clint> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 08:01:02 -
0700> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> From: bnn@nethere.com> Subject: Re: Ki
Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>> > At 07:39 PM 4/23/2008, you wrote:> >Now
the question: How exactly does a guys make six wraps of this > >thing? Four
, easy... Five possible... Six?!? Does anyone have any > >tricks I could tr
y?> > Cory,> Check the archives again! This topic gets covered at least > o
nce a year and there are innumerable methods. Mine is to get 4 > wraps, the
n pull the slack to one end using channel-locks, then clamp > the 3rd wrap
to the tube using vice grips and leather, then get two > more wraps, repeat
until you get six. You can do it solo and with not > much cursing.> > > Gu
y Buchanan> San Diego, CA> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mos
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========> > >
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| Subject: | Re: Model 2 rudder pedal SB |
Jeff, small triangular gussets will work fine.
Dave
--------
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
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| Subject: | Re: KF2 Bungie connections |
Cory,
First, you'll need a copy of "The complete Longshoreman's guide to foul
language", next needed is an act of Congress.....
Seriously, enlist a helper. One person inside, the other underneath. Tough
to hold the turns with fingers, but is doable.(reference longshoreman's guide).
Some guy's here have reported success holding the turns with zip(or
cable)ties,or padded vice grips.Good luck.
Greg G
Macedon, N.Y.
23NK
n375KL
Mod 2
582
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| Subject: | Re: KF2 Bungie connections |
I dont understand the problems with the bungees. I just did mine on the Avid and
it took 2 guys 5 minutes by hand. one inside one outside. We did 2 kitfox
last year same way. I use a ratchet strap around the axle to hold the gear up
then hook one side, pass it around and pull tight. While the guy on top holds
the bungee over the truss, I pull though from the bottom and had back up. hell
I had to take a wrap off last week cause we got it too tight just by hand.
You want a challenge, try putting the bungees on a PA-12 without the proper
tool.... that is just about a sure way to get a quick trip to the E.R. for stitches.
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DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
95% complete
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