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1. 05:30 AM - Re: Sport Pilot (LarryM)
2. 06:21 AM - Elevator trim and Kingfox tires (Catz631@AOL.COM)
3. 06:23 AM - Re: Sport Pilot (akflyer)
4. 08:06 AM - Re: Sport Pilot (dave)
5. 08:11 AM - Re: Elevator trim and Kingfox tires (paul wilson)
6. 08:59 AM - Re: Re: Sport Pilot (Michel Verheughe)
7. 09:27 AM - Re: Re: Sport Pilot (Sbennett3@aol.com)
8. 09:30 AM - Re: Sport Pilot (LarryM)
9. 09:37 AM - Re: Sport Pilot (akflyer)
10. 10:09 AM - Re: Great Lakes Area kitfox Fly-In (jeff puls)
11. 10:26 AM - Re: Re: Sport Pilot (Noel Loveys)
12. 10:56 AM - Re: Re: Sport Pilot (Noel Loveys)
13. 11:11 AM - Re: Re: Sport Pilot (Noel Loveys)
14. 11:11 AM - Engine choice questions for a Kitfox 4 Classic 1200 (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
15. 11:14 AM - Re: Re: Sport Pilot (Noel Loveys)
16. 11:16 AM - Re: Re: Sport Pilot (Michel Verheughe)
17. 11:21 AM - Re: Sport Pilot (dave)
18. 02:49 PM - Re: Re: Series 5 Light Sport (Guy Buchanan)
19. 02:49 PM - Re: Engine choice questions for a Kitfox 4 Classic 1200 (Guy Buchanan)
20. 02:49 PM - Re: Re: Series 5 Light Sport (Guy Buchanan)
21. 03:45 PM - Quick drain (Pete Christensen)
22. 04:49 PM - 912ul for sale on Barnstormers (Pete Christensen)
23. 05:33 PM - Re: Re: Series 5 Light Sport (Steve Benesh)
24. 05:36 PM - Re: Elevator trim and Kingfox tires (dwight purdy)
25. 05:50 PM - Re: Great Lakes Area kitfox Fly-In (steve shinabery)
26. 05:59 PM - Re: Elevator trim and Kingfox tires (Sbennett3@aol.com)
27. 06:02 PM - Re: Quick drain (RAY Gignac)
28. 06:04 PM - Re: Engine choice questions for a Kitfox 4 Classic 1200 (steve shinabery)
29. 07:01 PM - Re: Sport Pilot (LarryM)
30. 07:18 PM - Re: Engine choice questions for a Kitfox 4 Classic 1200 (kirk hull)
31. 07:40 PM - Re: Re: Sport Pilot (dpremgood@aim.com)
32. 08:56 PM - Polyester Rib Reinforcement Tape (darinh)
33. 09:05 PM - Re: Engine choice questions for a Kitfox 4 Classic 1200 (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
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" has left the strip many times over gross. I also cant fly at night vfr under
sport pilot rules, But I do it and i'm sure many do... Tell me some ramp check
stories why I shouldnt bend the rules to fly by my own set of rules or standards."
Steve that's call anarchy and you are dangerous! I do not want you flying in
or near me and my sport. Heck, I'd hate to see you on the road - do you follow
those rules or make your own?! I like driving on the left side of the road,
I also don't stop at the red lights - it's stupid anyways - I've never been
caught yet so why bother. I even drink when I drive - I have a nice bar in the
truck. Why shouldn't I - I don't get caught. I usually don't use my lights
at night either. Make it more difficult for the cops to see me. You get the
point. For your sake, and that of the sport, and innocent, I hope that you can
see the errors of your ways before the consequences of your action catch up.
"I'm legal..." I'd like to hear how after what you just said that followed.
larry
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| Subject: | Elevator trim and Kingfox tires |
Well, as I mentioned earlier, I am now reporting on my new elevator trim
installation. In a word it is fantastic! It makes my Kitfox a new airplane! I have
the classic version and it was really bugging me to hold back pressure
throughout the landing phase. I have had a trim system in every aircraft I have
owned except my Kitfox.
I sent the elevator off to Lowell at _http://Highwingllc.com_
(http://Highwingllc.com) . He stripped the fabric and did the necessary modifications to
the elevator,recovered,painted to silver and sent it back. Turnaround was about
two weeks. He and Mark plan to have a modified elevator on hand so that you
could send yours and he will return a completed modified elevator. I couldn't
wait so he agreed to modify mine.
I cannot explain in words how happy I am with this mod. The workmanship is
great! I installed a "witches hat' trim on the stick and have a LED trim
position indicator on the panel. Now just a "blip" or two on final will trim the
aircraft hands off in pitch. Also, I no longer need to extend the flaps a little
for cruise trim
If anyone would like more info about my installation give me a call at
850-994-9527 (hanger) or 304-7371 (c)
I also have completed the gap closure on my rudder and fin using foam and
fabric. It looks much better. I went from a 2 inch gap to about 1/8 inch.
As to the "Kingfox" tires (actually Nanchang 800) I am not sure if like
them or not. I bounce along like a semi on my grass runway and tend to woller all
over. I will have to give them some time I guess. They do look nice though
(like a pair of doughnuts)
I am still having problems with brake authority. The brakes will hold fine
at runup but if you swing the tail, it is a bear getting it back straight
using the brakes. The brakes are single Matcos. Maybe new brake calipers or a
locking tailwheel will help. My tailwheel is the "standard' Maule
Dick Maddux
Fox 4-1200
Rotax 912UL
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you would never make it up here as a commercial bush pilot... if it will go inside
the plane these guys will try to get it off the ground.
have you ever driven you car over the speed limit? even on accident? ever done
a California stop at a 4 way? Don't be to quick to judge or condemn. Just because
a guy flys at night as a sport pilot doe not mean he is dangerous, it simply
means he is operating outside his certification. He could have 25,000 hrs
as a heavy driver with world wide experience, yet may have lost a medical so
is now flying sport pilot... does not make him a bad guy just one that is tired
of stupid rules. I bet if you looked up all the rules and laws of your state
you would find that you are breaking more than you are following, but they
are the stupid laws that no one pays attention to, they have just been on the
books for 200 years and no longer really apply.
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> Tell me some ramp check stories why I shouldn't bend the rules to fly by my own
set of rules or standards.
28 years here flying, Priv , commercial, multi , night, float IFR trained.
Comments like yours shows your lack of training and respect for others. Pilots
like you are not just stupid but dangerous to others. I am sure we will read
about you one day.
You are a ex-pilot or just a new LSA pilot that it flying out of your experience
and/or league abusing your privilege. ??
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator trim and Kingfox tires |
Spring rate is a function of tire pressure. Lower the pressure a few
psi at a time until you like the ride.
Proper break in helps with stopping power. Sand the pucks sand start
over on break in.
Lots of details on adjusting the break-away on the tail wheel in the archives.
Paul
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At 07:18 AM 4/27/2008, you wrote:
>--snip--
> As to the "Kingfox" tires (actually Nanchang 800) I am not sure
> if like them or not. I bounce along like a semi on my grass runway
> and tend to woller all over. I will have to give them some time I
> guess. They do look nice though (like a pair of doughnuts)
> I am still having problems with brake authority. The brakes will
> hold fine at runup but if you swing the tail, it is a bear getting
> it back straight using the brakes. The brakes are single Matcos.
> Maybe new brake calipers or a locking tailwheel will help. My
> tailwheel is the "standard' Maule
> Dick Maddux
> Fox 4-1200
> Rotax 912UL
> Pensacola,Fl
>
>
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> From: dave [dave@cfisher.com]
> Comments like yours shows your lack of training and respect for others. Pilots
like
>you are not just stupid but dangerous to others.
Excuse me to intervene in this thread that has nothing to do with me: The Sport
Pilot license is not applicable in Norway but ...
>From your beautiful videos, Dave, I have the impression that you are also taking
the Kitfox to the edge of its envelope, aren't you? I would never dare to do
half of what you do.
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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Michel, Thanks for sticking up for me. I'm not reckless nor am I stupid.
It's a stuffy group when all I was trying to accomplish is to hear stories of
ramp checks. It only encourages me to not interact with the postings in the
future if all the "better then thou" keyboard pilots want to do is attack
people.
Did I mention that I also don't wear my seatbelts, Fly low over high school
football games, and occasionally drop waterballoons on cars on the
interstate... Geez people.
Steve Bennett 4-1200 classic speedwing 912 N109BB
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Michel,
What does flying an airplane to the edge of the envelope to which it was designed
have to do with blatant disregard to the laws governing the privilege to
do so? I'm lost as to the point that you are making. By Steve's own admission,
he knowing breaks the law to fly by the rules as he sees fit. Dave and others
are flying by the laws to the maximum performance of either the airplane or
the pilot, or trying to do so. I don't see how the 2 are similar or even come
up in the same thread. Steve asked us to comment on his thoughts of setting
his own standard of law outside of the code of federal regulations.
I would like to disagree with "Excuse me to intervene in this thread that has
nothing to do with me" . As a fellow pilot and supporter of this sport, we
owe it to help those who may be putting themselves, others, or the sport in jeopardy
to see that.
larry
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[quote="Sbennett3(at)aol.com"]Michel, Thanks for sticking up for me. I'm not
reckless nor am I stupid. It's a stuffy group when all I was trying to accomplish
is to hear stories of ramp checks. It only encourages me to not interact
with the postings in the future if all the "better then thou" keyboard pilots
want to do is attack people. Did I mention that I also don't wear
my seatbelts, Fly low over high school football games, and occasionally drop
waterballoons on cars on the interstate... Geez people.
Steve Bennett 4-1200 classic speedwing 912? N109BB
> [b]
Steve,
I am thinking that you went on a fising trip and figured out what kind of bait
they were bitting on today..
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Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
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| Subject: | Re: Great Lakes Area kitfox Fly-In |
Steve,
I'm bringing my Kitfox, an Ercoupe, a Cessna 172 taildragger and a Colt. You
better have some good weather for us!!!!!!!!!! Jeff Classic IV KTZR.
----- Original Message -----
From: "steve shinabery" <shinco@bright.net>
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 12:23 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Great Lakes Area kitfox Fly-In
> Lake Field Airport,[CQA],Celina Ohio,Welcomes all Kitfox and there
> pilots,and GA aircraft,to the Great Lakes Area Kitfox Fly-In, Sunday
> May 11th 2008,at 12:00pm noon,,west central OHIO,look for Grand Lake
> St.Marys,the largest lake in Ohio,we are at the south west corner,you
> can not miss us..Any Kitfox Pilot flying in there KF,there BBQ lunch
> will be FREE..and after lunch we are having a BOMB Drop, and a SPOT
> Landing contest..it will be a BLAST..bring tie downs..come out and see
> your Kitfox family,and friends.for a fun day.Home Base to STEVE
> SHINABERY N554KF KF2 little mighty 582
>
>
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Anarchy, although accurate, is a bit strong isn't it??? Disregard may be
closer.
How many of us have ridden/ driven with four in the cab? How many of us
took payment for a job and didn't report it in our income tax? How many of
us parked in a handicap zone? Ever fracture a speed limit or pass on the
right? Thousands get caught DWI every year how many get away? On a Friday
or Saturday night you should weigh the possibilities of meeting a drunk
whether you have been drinking or not.
Taking off slightly overweight not a biggie. Flying after official darkness
when licensed for day VFR in your country, where there is so much traffic,
may be asking for it. Especially as the plane can be identified at a
considerable distance and a simple flub on the radio could bring attention
to you. Ramp checks are only one tool inspectors use.
I have heard there are several hundred planes, some as large as twin otters,
flying in this country, with no insurance and no licenses. If one goes down
the pilot expects to be handed his ba**s on a platter (assuming he
survives). The chances he will hurt anyone but himself are slim. Are they
doing right??? No. Are they hurting anyone? Probably not. Could they hurt
someone by accident? Definitely!
Fly Safe and don't cut corners.
Noel
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of LarryM
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 9:57 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Sport Pilot
" has left the strip many times over gross. I also cant fly at night vfr
under sport pilot rules, But I do it and i'm sure many do... Tell me some
ramp check stories why I shouldnt bend the rules to fly by my own set of
rules or standards."
Steve that's call anarchy and you are dangerous! I do not want you flying
in or near me and my sport. Heck, I'd hate to see you on the road - do you
follow those rules or make your own?! I like driving on the left side of
the road, I also don't stop at the red lights - it's stupid anyways - I've
never been caught yet so why bother. I even drink when I drive - I have a
nice bar in the truck. Why shouldn't I - I don't get caught. I usually
don't use my lights at night either. Make it more difficult for the cops to
see me. You get the point. For your sake, and that of the sport, and
innocent, I hope that you can see the errors of your ways before the
consequences of your action catch up.
"I'm legal..." I'd like to hear how after what you just said that
followed.
larry
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In Paradise, Newfoundland, Canada it is illegal to smoke a cigar in an
outhouse. Cigarettes and pipes are OK but no cigars. Now, if you are ever
in Paradise all you have to do is find an outhouse and a cop to charge you.
Good luck!
Noel
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of akflyer
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 10:51 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Sport Pilot
you would never make it up here as a commercial bush pilot... if it will go
inside the plane these guys will try to get it off the ground.
have you ever driven you car over the speed limit? even on accident? ever
done a California stop at a 4 way? Don't be to quick to judge or condemn.
Just because a guy flys at night as a sport pilot doe not mean he is
dangerous, it simply means he is operating outside his certification. He
could have 25,000 hrs as a heavy driver with world wide experience, yet may
have lost a medical so is now flying sport pilot... does not make him a bad
guy just one that is tired of stupid rules. I bet if you looked up all the
rules and laws of your state you would find that you are breaking more than
you are following, but they are the stupid laws that no one pays attention
to, they have just been on the books for 200 years and no longer really
apply.
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Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
95% complete
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Don't let that bother you Michel. Sport pilot isn't applicable here either.
U.S. sport pilot licensed pilots are allowed to fly in Canada if they have
an aviation medical. Most of the U.S. sport pilots are trying to avoid
medicals sooooo they will probably not fly here in the near future.
I think there is some movement to get Canadian authorities to recognize the
U.S. "Drivers license medical" if the U.S. authorities recognize the
Canadian declaration medical. Personally I'd like to be able to fly into
the states so it think they should lock representatives of both countries
into a room and no one gets in or out until an agreement is made.
As for pushing the edge of the envelope there is only so much you can do
when you are pushing a barn door broadside into the wind. I don't think
Dave pushes the plane close to the envelope. It may look that way because
he is close to the camera.
I'd fly with him (with good gas :-))... I'll bet he has a few tricks to
teach even the birds.
Noel
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 1:27 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Sport Pilot
> From: dave [dave@cfisher.com]
> Comments like yours shows your lack of training and respect for others.
Pilots like
>you are not just stupid but dangerous to others.
Excuse me to intervene in this thread that has nothing to do with me: The
Sport Pilot license is not applicable in Norway but ...
>From your beautiful videos, Dave, I have the impression that you are also
taking the Kitfox to the edge of its envelope, aren't you? I would never
dare to do half of what you do.
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Engine choice questions for a Kitfox 4 Classic 1200 |
Hi all, I've been doing some research into what engine to use in my 4 Cla
ssic project. I am planning to keep the plane as light as possible. I do
want to go with a 4 stroke engine, but am not going to spend the $20,000 or
so it will cost to put a new 80 HP Rotax in it. In checking on the net,
it seems that the Subaru with a redrive, and also the Geo 4 Cylinder will b
oth weigh in at very nearly 200 lbs flying weight. I'm begining to wonder,
why not use an 85 HP Continental, even hand prop it to loose the starter a
nd heavy battery. It seems from my limited research that the Continental f
lying weight is just a bit less than 200 lbs. I'm sure I'm missing somethi
ng, but what is it. As far as the Jabiru goes, I allready have one on my
Avid MK IV and while it cruises just fine, that small prop doesn't give me
the quick takeoff I want on my short strip with the trees on the end. Actu
ally the 582 that was on the plane before did at least as good if not just
a bit better in getting the plane over those trees. Fire away!! LOL Thank
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Lol. I'm thinking he had a good haul today! Summer must be coming!
Noel
Steve,
I am thinking that you went on a fising trip and figured out what kind of
bait they were bitting on today..
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Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
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> From: LarryM [CrownLJ@verizon.net]
> I would like to disagree with "Excuse me to intervene in this thread that has
> nothing to do with me".
What I meant to say by that, Larry, is that I don't know anything about the American
Sport Pilot license and therefore I can't comment it. Does it make sense
to you?
As for my duty, as a pilot, to prevent another pilot to do something stupid, I
agree with you. But if I have to give an advice, it must be from my own experience,
right?
And my own experience is this: The pilot who built my Kitfox killed himself in
another Kitfox only a few weeks after mine did its first trials.
He did a very sharp manoeuvre very low at the end of the runway and killed himself
and his passenger in front of many people. Yet he is remembered as a 'good
pilot.' I bought my Kitfox several years later from its third owner and it is
only recently that I learnt about the history of my plane.
Anyway, I don't know what is more dangerous: sharp manoeuvres at low altitude or
fly at night without the proper license. What do you think, Larry?
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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> Michel,
>
> What does flying an airplane to the edge of the envelope to which it was designed
have to do with blatant disregard to the laws governing the privilege to
do so? I'm lost as to the point that you are making. By Steve's own admission,
he knowing breaks the law to fly by the rules as he sees fit. Dave and others
are flying by the laws to the maximum performance of either the airplane or the
pilot, or trying to do so. I don't see how the 2 are similar or even come up
in the same thread. Steve asked us to comment on his thoughts of setting his
own standard of law outside of the code of federal regulations.
Larry , you gave a good summary.
Look at the history , same old thing landing gear getting wiped out and they buy
a grove as the tube gear just no good. Taildraggers are dangerous so get a
tri gear. guys flying canyons and not being able to climb out and die. Others
get wind shear and crash and so on and so on. Alot of the incidents i have read
on this thread were preventable. Let's get back to basics and get some training
guys. If you cannot fly your plane to the edge of it's envelope then maybe
you need to get some more training.
This is likely a sore subject for some but it certainly has proven to be reality.
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| Subject: | Re: Series 5 Light Sport |
At 05:18 PM 4/25/2008, you wrote:
>Guy,
> Quote? The," Did not like the answer" was my comment. I went
> to the EAA sport pilot site and searched the question and answer
> section. The same question about the 1320 TO weight that keeps
> appearing on this list was asked of the EAA. The answer from EAA is
> what I included in the previous message.
Aw dang. I was hoping it was straight from the FAA. I guess FAA once
removed is all we have at the moment.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Engine choice questions for a Kitfox 4 Classic 1200 |
At 11:09 AM 4/27/2008, you wrote:
> Hi all, I've been doing some research into what engine to use in
> my 4 Classic project.
Hi Jim,
Good luck! I've been researching engines too as I'd like to
re-engine my 582 powered IV. There just isn't anything anywhere near
the performance of a 912. They've got 4 strokes, light weight, and a
geared prop. The next best I've been able to find is the Gemini
diesel. It appears to be 166# installed, 100hp, geared, and runs on
Jet-A, etc. Unfortunately it's new, and costs a lot. From there you
either get really experimental, or really heavy, (or both :'(). And
unfortunately really heavy "doesn't give me the quick takeoff I want
on my short strip with the trees on the end." I have the same
problem. I'm not as concerned with speed as I am with climb, and for
that you want 1) high power / weight; and 2) a big prop. #2 means
either a slow turning engine, (inefficient and heavy,) or a geared
engine, (efficient and somewhat lighter.)
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Series 5 Light Sport |
At 05:11 PM 4/26/2008, you wrote:
>When you quote something direct from the ruling
>or FR how much more definitive can you get? Do
>you mean to tell me that you think someone elses
>interpretation of words that are in black and
>white is more definitive than the words themselves?
Leonard,
I had never really noted that section,
"As stated above in the section titled
=98=98Modifications of Aircraft To Meet the
Light-Sport Aircraft Definition,=99=99 a sport
pilot may not fly an aircraft with a standard
airworthiness certificate that has been modified to
meet the light-sport aircraft definition."
because I generally live in the experimental
world. The FAA is pretty clear about flying
modified standard category aircraft.
The question was whether we could reduce
the weight of or remove an in-flight adjustable
prop from an experimental and fly it as an LSA.
(Or Steve's question as to what defines "maximum
takeoff weight".) I have read the entire LSA rule
and still think "maximum takeoff weight" is a
silly ambiguous term in the context of "since its
original certification". What does "takeoff
weight" have to do with "certification"? I know
I'm supposed to log a "maximum gross weight" when
I complete experimental aircraft flight testing.
Is that the same as "maximum takeoff weight". It
now appears that someone at someone at EAA and
someone else at the FAA thinks it means "the
heaviest weight at which the aircraft EVER flew",
which, IN THEORY, is the same as the weight you
logged at the end of flight test. (Since the
weight and CG envelope is defined through Phase 1
flight testing.) It's an answer, it's clear, but I wish we had the FAA
source.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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Is the quick drain easy to replace in a Kitfox? One of mine does not work.
Pete
Hell Paso, TX
Kitfox III 912 N73BH
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| Subject: | 912ul for sale on Barnstormers |
ZENITH 701 WITH ROTAX 912 . $17,950 Could throw away the 701 or sell it
off and end up with a 912 cheap.
Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: Sbennett3@aol.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 8:35 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Sport Pilot
John, Sport pilot rt now. I'm 7 hrs and another test and checkride
from private pilot... I'm a former ultralight pilot so my passion is
sport pilot Steve Bennett (not Benesh)
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| Subject: | Re: Series 5 Light Sport |
"*I know I'm supposed to log a "maximum gross weight" when I complete
experimental aircraft flight testing."*
**
Provide the official FAA reference, rule, or regulation to support your
claim.
Steve Benesh
84KF
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator trim and Kingfox tires |
What pressure are you running in your tires? I am experiencing about the
same feelings. While taxing on hard surface.the plane set up a rhythmic
bounce without the tires leaving the ground. I have 6 lbs in left and 7.5
in right as I fly solo most the time. What are the rest of you running?
Dwight
Model ll
At 09:18 AM 4/27/2008 -0400, you wrote:
>Well, as I mentioned earlier, I am now reporting on my new elevator trim
>installation. In a word it is fantastic! It makes my Kitfox a new
>airplane! I have the classic version and it was really bugging me to hold
>back pressure throughout the landing phase. I have had a trim system in
>every aircraft I have owned except my Kitfox.
> I sent the elevator off to Lowell at
> <http://Highwingllc.com>http://Highwingllc.com . He stripped the fabric
> and did the necessary modifications to the elevator,recovered,painted to
> silver and sent it back. Turnaround was about two weeks. He and Mark plan
> to have a modified elevator on hand so that you could send yours and he
> will return a completed modified elevator. I couldn't wait so he agreed
> to modify mine.
> I cannot explain in words how happy I am with this mod. The workmanship
> is great! I installed a "witches hat' trim on the stick and have a LED
> trim position indicator on the panel. Now just a "blip" or two on final
> will trim the aircraft hands off in pitch. Also, I no longer need to
> extend the flaps a little for cruise trim
> If anyone would like more info about my installation give me a call at
> 850-994-9527 (hanger) or 304-7371 (c)
> I also have completed the gap closure on my rudder and fin using foam
> and fabric. It looks much better. I went from a 2 inch gap to about 1/8 inch.
> As to the "Kingfox" tires (actually Nanchang 800) I am not sure if like
> them or not. I bounce along like a semi on my grass runway and tend to
> woller all over. I will have to give them some time I guess. They do look
> nice though (like a pair of doughnuts)
> I am still having problems with brake authority. The brakes will hold
> fine at runup but if you swing the tail, it is a bear getting it back
> straight using the brakes. The brakes are single Matcos. Maybe new brake
> calipers or a locking tailwheel will help. My tailwheel is the "standard' Maule
> Dick Maddux
> Fox 4-1200
> Rotax 912UL
> Pensacola,Fl
>
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| Subject: | Re: Great Lakes Area kitfox Fly-In |
jeff puls wrote:
>
> Steve,
> I'm bringing my Kitfox, an Ercoupe, a Cessna 172 taildragger and a
> Colt. You better have some good weather for us!!!!!!!!!! Jeff Classic
> IV KTZR.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve shinabery" <shinco@bright.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 12:23 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Great Lakes Area kitfox Fly-In
>
>
>> Lake Field Airport,[CQA],Celina Ohio,Welcomes all Kitfox and there
>> pilots,and GA aircraft,to the Great Lakes Area Kitfox Fly-In, Sunday
>> May 11th 2008,at 12:00pm noon,,west central OHIO,look for Grand Lake
>> St.Marys,the largest lake in Ohio,we are at the south west corner,you
>> can not miss us..Any Kitfox Pilot flying in there KF,there BBQ lunch
>> will be FREE..and after lunch we are having a BOMB Drop, and a SPOT
>> Landing contest..it will be a BLAST..bring tie downs..come out and see
>> your Kitfox family,and friends.for a fun day.Home Base to STEVE
>> SHINABERY N554KF KF2 little mighty 582
>>
>>
>
>
Hi Jeff,thanks for the email,,I too hope that the sky Gods gives us BLUE
SKYs here,on May 11th for the Great Lakes Kitfox Fly-In,,and hope to see
at the fly In.STEVE SHINABERY N554KF KF2 Little mighty 582
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator trim and Kingfox tires |
Dwight, Anything around 8 lbs is good. Just my opinion. I've been called
reckless and stupid on this group in the last 24 hrs so you might want to look
further. :-)
When I learned my fox the first thing I did was remove the wheel pants.
(no taildragger experience) Then I aired up the tires. You talk about
squirrely. I learned quick that running the atv tires only need 7-9 lbs pressure.
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It is very easy to replace, I did mine! Just don't over tighten the new one
because you will be screwing metal to fiberglass threads, also use a good
thread sealant.
Ray> From: apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.net> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Quick drain> Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:41:47 -0600> >
bcglobal.net>> > Is the quick drain easy to replace in a Kitfox? One of min
======================> > >
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| Subject: | Re: Engine choice questions for a Kitfox 4 Classic 1200 |
Jim_and_Lucy Chuk wrote:
> Hi all, I've been doing some research into what engine to use in my
> 4 Classic project. I am planning to keep the plane as light as
> possible. I do want to go with a 4 stroke engine, but am not going to
> spend the $20,000 or so it will cost to put a new 80 HP Rotax in it.
> In checking on the net, it seems that the Subaru with a redrive, and
> also the Geo 4 Cylinder will both weigh in at very nearly 200 lbs
> flying weight. I'm begining to wonder, why not use an 85 HP
> Continental, even hand prop it to loose the starter and heavy
> battery. It seems from my limited research that the Continental
> flying weight is just a bit less than 200 lbs. I'm sure I'm missing
> something, but what is it. As far as the Jabiru goes, I allready
> have one on my Avid MK IV and while it cruises just fine, that small
> prop doesn't give me the quick takeoff I want on my short strip with
> the trees on the end. Actually the 582 that was on the plane before
> did at least as good if not just a bit better in getting the plane
> over those trees. Fire away!! LOL Thanks, Jim Chuk Avids Kitfox Mn
> >
> >
> >===================
> >
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Back to work after baby how do you know when youre ready?
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JIM,,yes by all meens keep thoes 582 flying,,The Little Mighty 582.
cheap to buy cheap to fly..STEVE SHINABERY N554KF KF2 with a little
mighty 582
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"why I shouldnt bend the rules to fly by my own set of rules or standards."
doesn't this answer the question? "Anyway, I don't know what is more dangerous:
sharp manoeuvres at low altitude or fly at night without the proper license.
What do you think, Larry? "
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| Subject: | Engine choice questions for a Kitfox 4 Classic 1200 |
I think what you are missing is the price of a new
Continental. You can get a used/rebuilt Continental but the same is true
for the Rotax. When it came down to it I chose a stratus Subaru because of
price and I did not like the reliability of the Rotax.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of steve shinabery
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Engine choice questions for a Kitfox 4 Classic
1200
Jim_and_Lucy Chuk wrote:
> Hi all, I've been doing some research into what engine to use in my
> 4 Classic project. I am planning to keep the plane as light as
> possible. I do want to go with a 4 stroke engine, but am not going to
> spend the $20,000 or so it will cost to put a new 80 HP Rotax in it.
> In checking on the net, it seems that the Subaru with a redrive, and
> also the Geo 4 Cylinder will both weigh in at very nearly 200 lbs
> flying weight. I'm begining to wonder, why not use an 85 HP
> Continental, even hand prop it to loose the starter and heavy
> battery. It seems from my limited research that the Continental
> flying weight is just a bit less than 200 lbs. I'm sure I'm missing
> something, but what is it. As far as the Jabiru goes, I allready
> have one on my Avid MK IV and while it cruises just fine, that small
> prop doesn't give me the quick takeoff I want on my short strip with
> the trees on the end. Actually the 582 that was on the plane before
> did at least as good if not just a bit better in getting the plane
> over those trees. Fire away!! LOL Thanks, Jim Chuk Avids Kitfox Mn
> >
> >
> >===================
> >
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Back to work after baby- how do you know when you're ready?
>
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JIM,,yes by all meens keep thoes 582 flying,,The Little Mighty 582.
cheap to buy cheap to fly..STEVE SHINABERY N554KF KF2 with a little
mighty 582
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Some one wiser than myself once told me:
'The FARs are written with the blood of dead pilots'
-----Original Message-----
From: dave <dave@cfisher.com>
Sent: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 2:19 pm
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Sport Pilot
> Michel,
>
> What does flying an airplane to the edge of the envelope to which it
was designed have to do with blatant disregard to the laws governing
the privilege to do so? I'm lost as to the point that you are making.
By Steve's own admission, he knowing breaks the law to fly by the rules
as he sees fit. Dave and others are flying by the laws to the maximum
performance of either the airplane or the pilot, or trying to do so. I
don't see how the 2 are similar or even come up in the same thread.
Steve asked us to comment on his thoughts of setting his own standard
of law outside of the code of federal regulations.
Larry , you gave a good summary.
Look at the history , same old thing landing gear getting wiped out and
they buy a grove as the tube gear just no good. Taildraggers are
dangerous so get a tri gear. guys flying canyons and not being able to
climb out and die. Others get wind shear and crash and so on and so
on. Alot of the incidents i have read on this thread were preventable.
Let's get back to basics and get some training guys. If you cannot fly
your plane to the edge of it's envelope then maybe you need to get some
more training.
This is likely a sore subject for some but it certainly has proven to
be reality.
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| Subject: | Polyester Rib Reinforcement Tape |
Does anyone have any of the 1/2" rib reinforcement tape for the rib stitching left
over or that they didn't use (the adhesive backed stuff)? The roll supplied
with my kit was enough to do only 1 1/2 wings (I need enough to do the top
of my last wing). I don't really want to buy a 60 yrd. roll when I only need
a third of it. I know some people don't rib stitch but use screws or rivets so
I am hoping someone has some they will part with. Obviously, I am happy to
purchase so let me know the price.
I need this stuff ASAP so I can get this bird in the air so if no bites by tomorrow
night, I will bite the bullet and get the whole 60 yrds.
Thanks guys!
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| Subject: | Engine choice questions for a Kitfox 4 Classic 1200 |
Thanks to all that replied to my questions, as far as the price of a Contin
ental engine, I wouldn't concider new, don't think you could buy a new 85
HP anyway. Seems like I do see them for somewhere around $5000 and up use
d. I guess that the question is still there, Why not use them? If cost is
n't the issue, are they way to heavy for the power they produce? In realit
y, does the Subaru that claims 100 HP with a redrive produce any more power
than that 85 Continental? Hope I'm not being a pain in the rear! Thanks,
Jim Chuk Avids Kitfox 4 Mn> From: kirkhull@kc.rr.com> To: kitfox-list@
matronics.com> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Engine choice questions for a Kitf
ox 4 Classic 1200> Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 21:15:31 -0500> > --> Kitfox-List
message posted by: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@kc.rr.com>> > I think what you ar
e missing is the price of a new> Continental. You can get a used/rebuilt Co
ntinental but the same is true> for the Rotax. When it came down to it I ch
ose a stratus Subaru because of> price and I did not like the reliability o
f the Rotax.> > -----Original Message-----> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@
matronics.com> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
steve shinabery> Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 8:02 PM> To: kitfox-list@mat
ronics.com> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Engine choice questions for a Kitfox
co@bright.net>> > Jim_and_Lucy Chuk wrote:> > Hi all, I've been doing some
research into what engine to use in my > > 4 Classic project. I am planning
to keep the plane as light as > > possible. I do want to go with a 4 strok
e engine, but am not going to > > spend the $20,000 or so it will cost to p
ut a new 80 HP Rotax in it. > > In checking on the net, it seems that the S
ubaru with a redrive, and > > also the Geo 4 Cylinder will both weigh in at
very nearly 200 lbs > > flying weight. I'm begining to wonder, why not use
an 85 HP > > Continental, even hand prop it to loose the starter and heavy
> > battery. It seems from my limited research that the Continental > > fl
ying weight is just a bit less than 200 lbs. I'm sure I'm missing > > somet
hing, but what is it. As far as the Jabiru goes, I allready > > have one on
my Avid MK IV and while it cruises just fine, that small > > prop doesn't
give me the quick takeoff I want on my short strip with > > the trees on th
e end. Actually the 582 that was on the plane before > > did at least as go
od if not just a bit better in getting the plane > > over those trees. Fire
away!! LOL Thanks, Jim Chuk Avids Kitfox Mn> > >> > >> > >=====
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----------------------------------------> >> > Checked by AVG. > > > JIM,,y
es by all meens keep thoes 582 flying,,The Little Mighty 582. > cheap to bu
y cheap to fly..STEVE SHINABERY N554KF KF2 with a little > mighty 582> > >
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