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1. 04:36 AM - Lapeer Flyin (fox5flyer)
2. 05:05 AM - Rotax 912 UL engine run on (Catz631@aol.com)
3. 05:46 AM - Re: Sport Pilot (akflyer)
4. 06:06 AM - Re: Lightweight fabric! (Tom Jones)
5. 06:42 AM - Re: (OFF TOPIC) Hangar WAS: Show us your finished Kitfox!! (Randy Daughenbaugh)
6. 06:46 AM - Re: Show us your finished Kitfox!! (jlfernan)
7. 06:51 AM - Re: Re: Lightweight fabric! (Lynn Matteson)
8. 07:08 AM - Re: Kitfox Classic IV for sale (flier)
9. 07:16 AM - Re: Lightweight fabric! (Noel Loveys)
10. 07:34 AM - Re: Re: Sport Pilot (Noel Loveys)
11. 07:44 AM - Re: Lightweight fabric! (n85ae)
12. 08:08 AM - Re: Lightweight fabric! (Tom Jones)
13. 09:37 AM - Re: Re: (OFF TOPIC) Hangar WAS: Show us your finished Kitfox!! (Pete Christensen)
14. 09:51 AM - Lapeer MI Flyin (fox5flyer)
15. 10:21 AM - Lapeer MI Flyin (fox5flyer)
16. 11:10 AM - Re: NIB 0-7000 RPM 2 1/4" Tachometer Micro 1000 Rotax CDI (Marco Menezes)
17. 11:17 AM - Re: Re: Show us your finished Kitfox!! (Marco Menezes)
18. 11:51 AM - Re: NIB 0-7000 RPM 2 1/4" Tachometer Micro 1000 Rotax CDI (dave)
19. 12:22 PM - Re: Re: NIB 0-7000 RPM 2 1/4" Tachometer Micro 1000 Rotax CDI (Marco Menezes)
20. 12:23 PM - Model III Tail Spring (Pete Christensen)
21. 12:47 PM - Re: Model III Tail Spring (SkySteve)
22. 01:05 PM - Ballast Tip (n85ae)
23. 01:15 PM - Re: Model III Tail Spring (Noel Loveys)
24. 01:26 PM - Re: Model III Tail Spring (Clint Bazzill)
25. 01:34 PM - Re: Model III Tail Spring (Tom Jones)
26. 01:46 PM - Flaperon horn bearing - help needed (mdkitfox@aol.com)
27. 02:35 PM - Re: Flaperon horn bearing - help needed (Danny)
28. 02:49 PM - Re: Flaperon horn bearing - help needed (mdkitfox@aol.com)
29. 06:39 PM - GSC prop (markdonahue)
30. 09:04 PM - Re: Model III Tail Spring (Guy Buchanan)
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| Subject: | Rotax 912 UL engine run on |
Yesterday at engine shutdown (after an uneventful flight) a weird thing
happened. My 912UL kind of stopped then rotated 3 revolutions backwards. It sounded
just like an old car with engine run on when you shut it down (ie; it had a
knocking/pinging/ spitting sound)
The outside airtemp was about 70 degrees .The water and oil temps were
normal.The indicated engine rpm was 1800- 2000 at shutdown. The only thing that
I
can think of that might have caused it was the fuel.It was car gas about two
months old and 87 octane which I keep in a 30 gal bowser. The plane (Kitfox)had
been down for two months for various mods on my aircraft.
I called several people to ask if they had ever seen this happen ( Thanks
John !) I also called Lockwood and they recommend that I purge the oil system
for possible induced air in the oil system. The tech had never heard of this
happening. I will purge the system and check the valve clerances, then "burp"
the system. I have also bought some fresh high test auto fuel to try to see if
that helps.
Has anybody ever had this happen? And if so any possible damage ? I have
seen this on occasion with small Continentals but the Rotax is not suppose to
do this.
Thanks !
Dick Maddux
Kitfox4-1200
Rotax912UL
Pensacola,Fl
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kitfoxfugit(at)yahoo.com wrote:
> "akflyer" said:
>
> "you would never make it up here as a commercial bush pilot... if it will go
inside the plane these guys will try to get it off the ground."
>
>
>
> When did they start limiting the loads to the inside of the aircraft in Alaska?
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
we don't.
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Full Lotus 1260
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| Subject: | Re: Lightweight fabric! |
Can sunlight shine on the inside of the fabric where it ripped? I keep a cover
over the turtle deck area to prevent ultraviolet rays from getting inside the
fuselage. Also, the Kitfox builders manual offers an option for light weight
which doesn't use poly spray. Could your plane have been covered using that
method?
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Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | (OFF TOPIC) Hangar WAS: Show us your finished Kitfox!! |
Michel,
Thanks for the discussion. It is interesting even if boarder line off
topic.
Randy
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 2:25 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: (OFF TOPIC) Hangar WAS: Show us your finished Kitfox!!
> From: Frank Miles [f.miles.tcp.833@clearwire.net]
> The hanger doors were also of interest.
Dear Frank, this is not personal because I notice that nearly everyone does
it but ... it is called 'hangar' and not 'hanger.'
Because I have lived in three different countries and speak four languages,
I have a natural interest for etymology and especially where the Germanic
and Latin languages meet.
A 'hangar' is a French word used in Normandy to call a cattle barn. The
history says that it was Louis Blriot who started using the word as he
wanted such barns to be built to house his planes.
But the word has even an older origin: 'Hangard.' That is an old Germanic
name that probably came to Normandy with the Norsemen. The suffix 'gard'
probably means place, or farm. It is still found in places like the German
town Stuttgart.
The prefix 'han' is not so clear but I wonder if it is not related to the
German 'Henne,' Norwegian 'hne' and English 'hen.'
Incidentally, Blriot - as you know - flew first over the English Channel
from Cap Gris-Nez to Dover. The former is French writing (litt: Gris Nez
grey nose) for graaness. The suffix 'ness' being much used in Britain as it
was introduced by the Anglo-Saxons and Norsemen and means; a cape.
... Okay, totally off-Kitofx-topic and I hope you didn't fall asleep! :-)
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Re: Show us your finished Kitfox!! |
I'm liking what I'm seeing. But it's actually having the reverse effect; now really
can't wait!!
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Jorge Fernandez
Supersport
Waiting on delivery
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| Subject: | Re: Lightweight fabric! |
I was told (by a Polyfober rep) of a builder who used the light
fabric, and on the first taxi the guy didn't have his belt on, the
belt was hanging outside the plane and propwash flopped the belt
around until it hit the fabric and punched a hole in it.
On Apr 30, 2008, at 9:03 AM, Tom Jones wrote:
>
> Can sunlight shine on the inside of the fabric where it ripped? I
> keep a cover over the turtle deck area to prevent ultraviolet rays
> from getting inside the fuselage. Also, the Kitfox builders manual
> offers an option for light weight which doesn't use poly spray.
> Could your plane have been covered using that method?
>
> --------
> Tom Jones
> Classic IV
> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
> Ellensburg, WA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Classic IV for sale |
Per requests I've posted more detailed pics out on my site at http://www.foxflier.com/kitfox/forsale
Thanks,
Ted
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| Subject: | Lightweight fabric! |
While I agree with you and AC43 that the pull test is the definitive way.
The problem is you have to take a sample. I assumed that an amateur
wouldn't want to do that. The punch test is only a guide and should only be
taken as such. If your punch test result is questionable at all, then a
sample should be taken. Truth is if there is any question at all
....Recover.
Thanks
Noel
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Hart
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 10:31 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Lightweight fabric!
Noel,
AC 43.13-1B, paragraph 2-34 says:
"2-34. FABRIC TESTING. Mechanical devices used to test fabric by pressing
against or piercing the finished fabric are not FAA approved and are used at
the discretion of the mechanic to base an opinion on the general fabric
condition. Punch test accuracy will depend on the individual device
calibration, total coating thickness, brittleness, and types of coatings and
fabric. Mechanical devices are not applicable to glass fiber fabric that
will easily shear and indicate a very low reading regardless of the true
breaking strength. If the fabric tests in the lower breaking strength range
with the mechanical punch tester or if the overall fabric cover conditions
are poor, then more accurate field tests may be made.
Cut a 1-1/4-inch wide by 4-inch long sample from a top exposed surface,
remove all coatings and ravel the edges to a 1-inch width. Clamp each end
between suitable clamps with one clamp anchored to a support structure while
a load is applied (see table 2-1) by adding sand in a suitable container
suspended a few inches above the floor. If the breaking strength is still in
question, a sample should be sent to a qualified testing laboratory and
breaking strength tests made in accordance with American Society of Testing
Materials (ASTM) publication D5035.
AC 43.13-1B 9/8/98
NOTE: ASTM publication D1682 has been discontinued but is still referred to
in some Aerospace Material Specification (AMS). The grab test method
previously listed in ASTM D1682, sections 1 through 16, has been superseded
by ASTM publication D5034.
The strip testing method (most commonly used in aircraft) previously listed
in ASTM D1682, sections 17
through 21, has been superseded by ASTM publication D5035."
It is true that these are experimental aircraft and the builder/repairman
does the work as he/she sees fit, but in my opinion, the punch test is not a
valid indication of fabric condition.
John Hart
KF IV
Wilburton, OK
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Noel Loveys
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 6:09 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Lightweight fabric!
There is a special spring tool for applying pressure to the cloth if it
penetrates it's no good.
To check the bottom of your frame where rust can attack try putting about
twenty pounds of force on an awl if it penetrates the frame was rusty if it
doesn't put a spot of paint where you did the test.
Noel
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 6:24 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Lightweight fabric!
My 1992 Mod IV 1050 was originally covered in the lightweight fabric that
was provided by Skystar. It was done extremely well in polyfiber and I had
no doubt about it's state until yesterday. I had given it a fair knock from
time to time and it always responded with the familiar low note. Yesterday I
accidentally bumped it with my elbow and went straight through the fuselage
side! It was right in the area that would have been beside the window in the
shed it was stored in before it was mine. I've patched it but I guess a
fuselage recover is the nest job on the list. There's no indication that the
polyspray is not adequate even with a very strong light. What is the proper
way to check fabric? Besides punching a 6" hole in it!
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I've had lots of friends fly in the bush... The only problem I've heard of,
except loads not being properly tied down ( Pilot should always check for
himself), was one occasion a plane was supposed to carry a few of D-9 track
cleats up in the circle. The floor had to be reinforced! Even then a few
cleats was a full load for a Twin Otter. They tell me one cleat is more
than a load for an old army jeep.
Noel
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Allen
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 3:10 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Sport Pilot
"akflyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com> said:
"you would never make it up here as a commercial bush pilot... if it will go
inside the plane these guys will try to get it off the ground."
When did they start limiting the loads to the inside of the aircraft in
Alaska?
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| Subject: | Re: Lightweight fabric! |
Personally I think an elbow going through the side is indicative of a
serious problem. You should NOT be able to accidentally knock a
whole in any weight of polyfiber fabric with your elbow. The tensile
strength of all the fabric in good shape is way beyond allowing that
to happen.
Regards,
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Lightweight fabric! |
I once watched an A&P mechanic demonstrate the strength of the fabric. He was
recovering a pacer and someone who was not familiar with fabric covering mentioned
that it really looked flimsy. The mechanic pushed his thumb on the covered
elevator and held pressure on it until the fabric stretched up to base of his
thumb nail. When he let go the dent stayed and the onlookers thought he had
ruined the fabric. In a minute or so the dent disappeared and you couldn't
tell where it had been. He then invited anyone to try to push a hole through
the fabric with their thumb.
I used this demonstration a few times when I was covering my Kitfox and got caustic
comments from visitors about my airplane made out of bed sheets and broomsticks.
The thumb dent test may be a way to check the rest of the fabric on the airplane.
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Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: (OFF TOPIC) Hangar WAS: Show us your finished Kitfox!! |
I stand corrected! My very first mistake. And I'm 63.
Pete
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From: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 7:57 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: (OFF TOPIC) Hangar WAS: Show us your finished
Kitfox!!
>
>
> peteohms wrote:
>> But, like everything else in this country (USA) "hanger" has come to be
>> accepted. Many words get changed here. Wasup.
>>
>> Pete
>> Model 3 912ul N73BH
>>
>>
>> ---
>
>
> not quite... a hanger is what you put your clothes on in the closet, a
> hangar is what you tuck your plane into. Even in the US this holds true.
>
> --------
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> Leonard Perry
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C" / Mk IV
> 582 IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1260
> 95% complete
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=180158#180158
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Hmmmm. Well, here it is again...and again. For some reason forwarding
was deleting the text. This time it's copy/paste.
Deke
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Hello, my name is Teresa Leming with Lapeer Pilot Center in Lapeer,
Michigan. Would you please post this for all to see? We hope you can
join us for this event! Thank you!
Teresa Leming
Open House
Lapeer Pilot Center & Lapeer Aviation
Saturday, May 17, 2008
11:00AM - 2:00PM
Come and celebrate Lapeer Pilot Center's one year birthday, with food
and fun for the entire family. Great things are happening at the
DuPont-Lapeer Airport and we want the community to come see what their
airport has to offer! This event is open to the public and all ages are
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Saturday, May 17, 2008
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Pilots, please join us at 10:00AM for the Blessing of the Planes, and
stay for the open house. Pastor Nik Schillack from Christ the King
Lutheran Church in Lapeer will be hosting the event. Please call Lapeer
Aviation to R.S.V.P. by May 15, 2008 to ensure that you will be
included, 810-664-6966.
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For questions, please call 810-664-6966 or email teresa@flylapeer.com
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| Subject: | Re: NIB 0-7000 RPM 2 1/4" Tachometer Micro 1000 Rotax CDI |
Thanks for the heads-up Deke. American made at a Chinese price. Not bad.
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fox5flyer <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net> wrote:
I just ran across this nice little tach on ebay that would be good for
you 582 guys with limited panel space. Might work on others too. FYI only.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress."
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| Subject: | Re: Show us your finished Kitfox!! |
What's that ugly blue thing? Looks like a bunch of spare airplane parts designed
to fly in formation. ;-)
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dave <dave@cfisher.com> wrote:
Somewhere in the middle of Georgian Bay Ontario we found a little secluded cove
on an island .
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Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
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| Subject: | Re: NIB 0-7000 RPM 2 1/4" Tachometer Micro 1000 Rotax CDI |
> Thanks for the heads-up Deke. American made at a Chinese price. Not bad.
Are you sure ?? I think they are from China. I would have to confirm as I have
ordered from him before. Good seller and fantastic prices.
Hey had Kitfox ASI as well for 40$ i think too
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| Subject: | Re: NIB 0-7000 RPM 2 1/4" Tachometer Micro 1000 Rotax |
CDI
Ad says "American made." Maybe he's fibbing. I don't know, but for $36 bucks including
shipping, I'm getting one.
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dave <dave@cfisher.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the heads-up Deke. American made at a Chinese price. Not bad.
Are you sure ?? I think they are from China. I would have to confirm as I have
ordered from him before. Good seller and fantastic prices.
Hey had Kitfox ASI as well for 40$ i think too
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Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
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| Subject: | Model III Tail Spring |
I read the following from an old Kitfox newsletter:
"Tailwheel steering springs."
"Imagine yourself on short final in your brand new KITFOX, all set up for a
perfect 3- point touch-down. You're close now, bring the stick back--back,
it looks perfect. The tail wheel touches-- suddenly the nose veers left,
hard. You apply full right rudder and brake. Still your baby turns left,
ever tighter, the stick is still in your gut, but the tail comes up anyway.
You get a good close-up view of the runway as the nose dips and the prop
strikes pavement. The airplane rocks right and the right wingtip hits the
ground with great gusto. When the dust settles, if you're lucky, your new
darling has a broken prop blade and a damaged wingtip. If you're not so
lucky, she also has crumpled landing gear, a broken wing, engine or gearbox
damage, and a smashed cowling. What happened? When the tailwheel touched,
one of the steering springs popped loose. To prevent an excursion like this,
crimp the hooked ends of the spring around and tie across them with safety
wire so they can't come loose."
My Model III has been flown 328 hrs without this being done, only 8 hrs by
me. I had a similar experience in a KR-2 about 29 years ago practicing
crosswind high speed taxis. Ran off the runway and went up on it's nose
into a sand dune. Motor stopped prior to gentle nose over. No damage.
The thing I'm worried about is bending the spring. Won't that weaken the
spring?
Pete
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| Subject: | Re: Model III Tail Spring |
Solution: Put the tail wheel on the propeller end of the airplane. [Laughing]
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Steve Wilson
Huntsville, UT
Kitfox I-IV 85DD
912A / 3 Blade Warp Drive
Convertable Nosewheel & Tailwheel
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Just for what it's worth, if you're building, consider making a ballast
box and installing it in the tail aft of the battery. With an IO-240B for
example you will end up on the hairy edge of the forward balance
limit if you don't add ballast. I put 15 lb.'s in mine and got it well inside
the envelope and it handles very nicely.
Thought of this because I'm just closing the fueslage on my CH801
project and have been thinking about making an accessible box in it
just in case I need it. With the Series 5 I added ballast via the battery
access panel and it was a real chore to work through that little opening.
Would have been much nicer before I fabric'd it.
Jeff
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| Subject: | Model III Tail Spring |
I lockwired mine on and put a loose twist up the middle of the spring just
in case. I did the same thing for all the springs in my exhaust too.
Simple safe and fast.
Noel
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete
Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 4:51 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Model III Tail Spring
<apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.net>
I read the following from an old Kitfox newsletter:
"Tailwheel steering springs."
"Imagine yourself on short final in your brand new KITFOX, all set up for a
perfect 3- point touch-down. You're close now, bring the stick back--back,
it looks perfect. The tail wheel touches-- suddenly the nose veers left,
hard. You apply full right rudder and brake. Still your baby turns left,
ever tighter, the stick is still in your gut, but the tail comes up anyway.
You get a good close-up view of the runway as the nose dips and the prop
strikes pavement. The airplane rocks right and the right wingtip hits the
ground with great gusto. When the dust settles, if you're lucky, your new
darling has a broken prop blade and a damaged wingtip. If you're not so
lucky, she also has crumpled landing gear, a broken wing, engine or gearbox
damage, and a smashed cowling. What happened? When the tailwheel touched,
one of the steering springs popped loose. To prevent an excursion like this,
crimp the hooked ends of the spring around and tie across them with safety
wire so they can't come loose."
My Model III has been flown 328 hrs without this being done, only 8 hrs by
me. I had a similar experience in a KR-2 about 29 years ago practicing
crosswind high speed taxis. Ran off the runway and went up on it's nose
into a sand dune. Motor stopped prior to gentle nose over. No damage.
The thing I'm worried about is bending the spring. Won't that weaken the
spring?
Pete
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| Subject: | Model III Tail Spring |
If you use compression springs you won't have that problem.
Clint
> From: noelloveys@yahoo.ca> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> Subject: RE: Ki
tfox-List: Model III Tail Spring> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:42:55 -0230> >
lockwired mine on and put a loose twist up the middle of the spring just>
in case. I did the same thing for all the springs in my exhaust too.> Simpl
e safe and fast.> > Noel> > -----Original Message-----> From: owner-kitfox-
list-server@matronics.com> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]
On Behalf Of Pete> Christensen> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 4:51 PM> To
: kitfox-list@matronics.com> Subject: Kitfox-List: Model III Tail Spring> >
sbcglobal.net>> > I read the following from an old Kitfox newsletter:> > "T
ailwheel steering springs."> > "Imagine yourself on short final in your bra
nd new KITFOX, all set up for a > perfect 3- point touch-down. You're close
now, bring the stick back--back, > it looks perfect. The tail wheel touche
s-- suddenly the nose veers left, > hard. You apply full right rudder and b
rake. Still your baby turns left, > ever tighter, the stick is still in you
r gut, but the tail comes up anyway. > You get a good close-up view of the
runway as the nose dips and the prop > strikes pavement. The airplane rocks
right and the right wingtip hits the > ground with great gusto. When the d
ust settles, if you're lucky, your new > darling has a broken prop blade an
d a damaged wingtip. If you're not so > lucky, she also has crumpled landin
g gear, a broken wing, engine or gearbox > damage, and a smashed cowling. W
hat happened? When the tailwheel touched, > one of the steering springs pop
ped loose. To prevent an excursion like this,> > crimp the hooked ends of t
he spring around and tie across them with safety > wire so they can't come
loose."> > My Model III has been flown 328 hrs without this being done, onl
y 8 hrs by > me. I had a similar experience in a KR-2 about 29 years ago pr
acticing > crosswind high speed taxis. Ran off the runway and went up on it
's nose > into a sand dune. Motor stopped prior to gentle nose over. No dam
age.> > The thing I'm worried about is bending the spring. Won't that weake
================> > >
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| Subject: | Re: Model III Tail Spring |
I used a pair of pliers to pinch the spring ends closed. Thats what Skystar recommended.
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Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Flaperon horn bearing - help needed |
I've finally made some progress on my Model V, but I may have run into a small
problem.? The manual refers to the full scale drawing template located with the
wing templates (that would be the one I got 14 years ago and after 3 moves is
now missing.)? I'm guessing this template is needed to shape the rectangular
block into the the rounded 3 sided block for mounting on the fuselage tabs.?
Does anyone have that drawing and the capability to scan it and send it to me??
I would really appreciate it.
Also, has anyone experienced any problems with the flaperon installation on the
wing?? Is it straight forward or are there fit problems?
Thanks,
Rick Weiss
Series V Speedster
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| Subject: | Re: Flaperon horn bearing - help needed |
Hi Rick,
?If I remember correctly the shape is not that important. Just make sure the hole
in the block is aligned with the flaperon tube when the block is fully tightened
to the fuselage tabs. We had a binding problem on N24ZM because of this
and I had to remake these. I think the factory flew their demo plane without these
for some time but you would need to check with them on this. Still need to
get up and see your project. The Rocket has 5.6 hours so far and is really fast.
At 5500 ft, 24 square and 16 GPH she will do 206 knots GPS average ground
speed:) I still my my Kitfox though:(
Danny Melnik
F1 N14ZM
Rocket Factory
Melbourne, FL
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From: mdkitfox@aol.com
Sent: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 4:43 pm
Subject: Kitfox-List: Flaperon horn bearing - help needed
I've finally made some progress on my Model V, but I may have run into a small
problem.? The manual refers to the full scale drawing template located with the
wing templates (that would be the one I got 14 years ago and after 3 moves is
now missing.)? I'm guessing this template is needed to shape the rectangular
block into the the rounded 3 sided block for mounting on the fuselage tabs.?
Does anyone have that drawing and the capability to scan it and send it to me??
I would really appreciate it.
Also, has anyone experienced any problems with the flaperon installation on the
wing?? Is it straight forward or are there fit problems?
Thanks,
Rick Weiss
Series V Speedster
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| Subject: | Re: Flaperon horn bearing - help needed |
Danny,
Thanks, I wasn't concerned until I got to the statement to use the template, then?I
thought there might be something unique to the shape.
?
The rocket sounds like fun.? There was one flying?here this morning and it was
sharp.? It flew by in a 4 ship formation with 3 RV-8's. ?I look forward to seeing
yours, just don't do it during the last 2 weeks of May since I'll be out of
town.? 206 knots?is awesome, which engine are you using?
Rick
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From: Danny <vft@aol.com>
Sent: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 5:32 pm
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flaperon horn bearing - help needed
Hi Rick,
?If I remember correctly the shape is not that important. Just make sure the hole
in the block is aligned with the flaperon tube when the block is fully tightened
to the fuselage tabs. We had a binding problem on N24ZM because of this
and I had to remake these. I think the factory flew their demo plane without these
for some time but you would need to check with them on this. Still need to
get up and see your project. The Rocket has 5.6 hours so far and is really fast.
At 5500 ft, 24 square and 16 GPH she will do 206 knots GPS average ground
speed:) I still my my Kitfox though:(
Danny Melnik
F1 N14ZM
Rocket Factory
Melbourne, FL
-----Original Message-----
From: mdkitfox@aol.com
Sent: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 4:43 pm
Subject: Kitfox-List: Flaperon horn bearing - help needed
I've finally made some progress on my Model V, but I may have run into a small
problem.? The manual refers to the full scale drawing template located with the
wing templates (that would be the one I got 14 years ago and after 3 moves is
now missing.)? I'm guessing this template is needed to shape the rectangular
block into the the rounded 3 sided block for mounting on the fuselage tabs.?
Does anyone have that drawing and the capability to scan it and send it to me??
I would really appreciate it.
Also, has anyone experienced any problems with the flaperon installation on the
wing?? Is it straight forward or are there fit problems?
Thanks,
Rick Weiss
Series V Speedster
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Can anyone share with me their experience refinishing the wooden GSC prop.
Thanks,
Mark, Kitfox 4, 912 UL
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| Subject: | Re: Model III Tail Spring |
At 12:20 PM 4/30/2008, you wrote:
>The thing I'm worried about is bending the spring. Won't that
>weaken the spring?
No, you won't weaken the spring bending it once. I use
compression springs because I understand they're less likely to fail
and when they do they're supposed to remain captive.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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