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1. 03:04 AM - Re: Re: Lightweight fabric! (Dave)
2. 03:10 AM - Re: Lightweight fabric! (Dave)
3. 03:54 AM - Flaperon horn bearing - help needed (fox5flyer)
4. 04:11 AM - Re: NIB 0-7000 RPM 2 1/4" Tachometer Micro 1000 Rotax CDI (fox5flyer)
5. 05:02 AM - Re: Model III Tail Spring (Tom Jones)
6. 05:36 AM - Re: NIB 0-7000 RPM 2 1/4" Tachometer Micro 1000 Rotax CDI (dave)
7. 06:39 AM - Re: Lightweight fabric! (n85ae)
8. 08:02 AM - Re: GSC prop (crazyivan)
9. 08:20 AM - Re: Lightweight fabric! (Noel Loveys)
10. 09:05 AM - Re: Re: Lightweight fabric! (Lynn Matteson)
11. 09:13 AM - Re: Flaperon horn bearing - help needed (W Duke)
12. 09:50 AM - Re: Ballast Tip (W Duke)
13. 11:16 AM - Re: Flaperon horn bearing - help needed (mdkitfox@aol.com)
14. 11:24 AM - Re: Re: Lightweight fabric! (Ted Palamarek)
15. 11:48 AM - Re: Ballast Tip (n85ae)
16. 05:59 PM - Re: Ballast Tip (SkySteve)
17. 07:54 PM - Engine mount wanted (A.Barba)
18. 08:01 PM - Re: Show us your finished Kitfox!! (jeff puls)
19. 11:03 PM - Official Kitfox-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
20. 11:05 PM - Official Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: Lightweight fabric! |
----- Original Message ----- >
>
> Can sunlight shine on the inside of the fabric where it ripped? I keep a
> cover over the turtle deck area to prevent ultraviolet rays from getting
> inside the fuselage. Also, the Kitfox builders manual offers an option
> for light weight which doesn't use poly spray. Could your plane have been
> covered using that method?
>
The area in question is quite far from the turtledeck, roughly halfway
between the tailfin start and the antenna mount on the right side above the
former. I went out last night and pushed very hard with my thumb as
indicated and left the fuselage pocked with dent's that are gone this
morning. I am not prepared to call it a serious problem, but it is
definitely something to keep in mind. The wings are being rebuilt now.
The original job was a beautifully done Polythane and I'll have trouble
getting the job as nice when I recover the fuselage. I checked out the paint
job very carefully after I bought it and there is an area where the
Polyspray is too thin, but it is the bottom of the fuselage and there
appears to be no problem there.
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| Subject: | Re: Lightweight fabric! |
Hi Noel, there was an article I read a while back about testing fabric, I
don't recall as much of it as I like to right about now but the jist of it
was that the punch method is destructive and prone to error. In many cases
it can be fooled by a coat of paint. (not my statement).
Dave G.
do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 11:13 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Lightweight fabric!
>
> While I agree with you and AC43 that the pull test is the definitive way.
> The problem is you have to take a sample. I assumed that an amateur
> wouldn't want to do that. The punch test is only a guide and should only
> be
> taken as such. If your punch test result is questionable at all, then a
> sample should be taken. Truth is if there is any question at all
> ....Recover.
>
> Thanks
>
> Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Hart
> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 10:31 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Lightweight fabric!
>
> <helili@chahtatushka.net>
>
> Noel,
> AC 43.13-1B, paragraph 2-34 says:
> "2-34. FABRIC TESTING. Mechanical devices used to test fabric by pressing
> against or piercing the finished fabric are not FAA approved and are used
> at
> the discretion of the mechanic to base an opinion on the general fabric
> condition. Punch test accuracy will depend on the individual device
> calibration, total coating thickness, brittleness, and types of coatings
> and
> fabric. Mechanical devices are not applicable to glass fiber fabric that
> will easily shear and indicate a very low reading regardless of the true
> breaking strength. If the fabric tests in the lower breaking strength
> range
> with the mechanical punch tester or if the overall fabric cover conditions
> are poor, then more accurate field tests may be made.
>
> Cut a 1-1/4-inch wide by 4-inch long sample from a top exposed surface,
> remove all coatings and ravel the edges to a 1-inch width. Clamp each end
> between suitable clamps with one clamp anchored to a support structure
> while
> a load is applied (see table 2-1) by adding sand in a suitable container
> suspended a few inches above the floor. If the breaking strength is still
> in
> question, a sample should be sent to a qualified testing laboratory and
> breaking strength tests made in accordance with American Society of
> Testing
> Materials (ASTM) publication D5035.
> AC 43.13-1B 9/8/98
>
> NOTE: ASTM publication D1682 has been discontinued but is still referred
> to
> in some Aerospace Material Specification (AMS). The grab test method
> previously listed in ASTM D1682, sections 1 through 16, has been
> superseded
> by ASTM publication D5034.
> The strip testing method (most commonly used in aircraft) previously
> listed
> in ASTM D1682, sections 17
> through 21, has been superseded by ASTM publication D5035."
>
> It is true that these are experimental aircraft and the builder/repairman
> does the work as he/she sees fit, but in my opinion, the punch test is not
> a
> valid indication of fabric condition.
>
> John Hart
> KF IV
> Wilburton, OK
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Noel Loveys
> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 6:09 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Lightweight fabric!
>
>
> There is a special spring tool for applying pressure to the cloth if it
> penetrates it's no good.
>
> To check the bottom of your frame where rust can attack try putting about
> twenty pounds of force on an awl if it penetrates the frame was rusty if
> it
> doesn't put a spot of paint where you did the test.
>
> Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 6:24 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Lightweight fabric!
>
>
> My 1992 Mod IV 1050 was originally covered in the lightweight fabric that
> was provided by Skystar. It was done extremely well in polyfiber and I had
> no doubt about it's state until yesterday. I had given it a fair knock
> from
> time to time and it always responded with the familiar low note. Yesterday
> I
>
> accidentally bumped it with my elbow and went straight through the
> fuselage
> side! It was right in the area that would have been beside the window in
> the
>
> shed it was stored in before it was mine. I've patched it but I guess a
> fuselage recover is the nest job on the list. There's no indication that
> the
>
> polyspray is not adequate even with a very strong light. What is the
> proper
> way to check fabric? Besides punching a 6" hole in it!
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Flaperon horn bearing - help needed |
Wahoo, Danny! Finally got it going! Are you flying it yourself or do
you have a test pilot flyin it for you for the time being? Send us a
photo.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but
progress."
- Joseph Joubert
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Danny
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flaperon horn bearing - help needed
Hi Rick,
If I remember correctly the shape is not that important. Just make
sure the hole in the block is aligned with the flaperon tube when the
block is fully tightened to the fuselage tabs. We had a binding problem
on N24ZM because of this and I had to remake these. I think the factory
flew their demo plane without these for some time but you would need to
check with them on this. Still need to get up and see your project. The
Rocket has 5.6 hours so far and is really fast. At 5500 ft, 24 square
and 16 GPH she will do 206 knots GPS average ground speed:) I still my
my Kitfox though:(
Danny Melnik
F1 N14ZM
Rocket Factory
Melbourne, FL
-----Original Message-----
From: mdkitfox@aol.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 4:43 pm
Subject: Kitfox-List: Flaperon horn bearing - help needed
I've finally made some progress on my Model V, but I may have run into
a small problem. The manual refers to the full scale drawing template
located with the wing templates (that would be the one I got 14 years
ago and after 3 moves is now missing.) I'm guessing this template is
needed to shape the rectangular block into the the rounded 3 sided block
for mounting on the fuselage tabs. Does anyone have that drawing and
the capability to scan it and send it to me? I would really appreciate
it.
Also, has anyone experienced any problems with the flaperon
installation on the wing? Is it straight forward or are there fit
problems?
Thanks,
Rick Weiss
Series V Speedster
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| Subject: | Re: NIB 0-7000 RPM 2 1/4" Tachometer Micro 1000 Rotax CDI |
If I needed one I'd get one too. To me, it doesn't much matter where
it's made so long as it works and does the job. At $36 it isn't like
you're mortgaging your house. The guy has an Ebay feedback to protect
so if it doesn't work he'd probably just send another one.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but
progress."
- Joseph Joubert
----- Original Message -----
From: Marco Menezes
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: NIB 0-7000 RPM 2 1/4" Tachometer Micro
1000 Rotax CDI
Ad says "American made." Maybe he's fibbing. I don't know, but for $36
bucks including shipping, I'm getting one.
do not archive
dave <dave@cfisher.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the heads-up Deke. American made at a Chinese price.
Not bad.
Are you sure ?? I think they are from China. I would have to confirm
as I have ordered from him before. Good seller and fantastic prices.
Hey had Kitfox ASI as well for 40$ i think too
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Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Model III Tail Spring |
If you have a copy of the DVD "Cub Driver Alaska" Look close at the tail wheel
on the authors cub. He talks about some of the modifications on the cubs featured
but does not mention that there is no mechanical linkage between the tail
wheel and the rudder. They use brakes to steer a slow speeds and blast of power
to help turn. In several landing scenes you can see the tail wheel is 90
degrees to the rudder on the approach.
Link to teaser http://www.cubdriver749er.com/dvd.php
I guess the thing to keep in the back of your mind is if you ever seem to not have
tail wheel linkage hit the opposite brake.
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Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: NIB 0-7000 RPM 2 1/4" Tachometer Micro 1000 Rotax CDI |
I agree -- who cares , as long as it works.
I got one ASI left I will put in my Kitfox and try it. soon
My Original denney one reads low at low speeds and high at high speeds.
I wonder if Dan Denney did it this way to increase sales :)
--------
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| Subject: | Re: Lightweight fabric! |
Hi -
Hmm. Well I tried my best to put a hole in some polyfiber when I was
fabric'ing my plane. It's very tough stuff. Unless you pushed it into
something sharp with your elbow there's no way you should have
been able to put a hole in it.
Jeff
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My suggestion and 1 cent worth (not really worth 2 cents) is to send it back to
the factory and let them do it. If it needs refinishing then it might need to
be carefully inspected.
--------
Dave
Speedster 912 UL
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| Subject: | Lightweight fabric! |
It is only to be taken as a guide. Not a definitive test. Unfortunately
The only real test involves taking a piece out of the plane.... any
takers??? Other things to take into consideration would be the age of the
cloth and the general appearance. Remember nothing lasts forever.
Noel Loveys
AME Intern, RPP
Kitfox III-A, 582,B box
Ivo IFA, Aerocet 1100 floats
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 7:38 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Lightweight fabric!
Hi Noel, there was an article I read a while back about testing fabric, I
don't recall as much of it as I like to right about now but the jist of it
was that the punch method is destructive and prone to error. In many cases
it can be fooled by a coat of paint. (not my statement).
Dave G.
do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 11:13 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Lightweight fabric!
>
> While I agree with you and AC43 that the pull test is the definitive way.
> The problem is you have to take a sample. I assumed that an amateur
> wouldn't want to do that. The punch test is only a guide and should only
> be
> taken as such. If your punch test result is questionable at all, then a
> sample should be taken. Truth is if there is any question at all
> ....Recover.
>
> Thanks
>
> Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Hart
> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 10:31 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Lightweight fabric!
>
> <helili@chahtatushka.net>
>
> Noel,
> AC 43.13-1B, paragraph 2-34 says:
> "2-34. FABRIC TESTING. Mechanical devices used to test fabric by pressing
> against or piercing the finished fabric are not FAA approved and are used
> at
> the discretion of the mechanic to base an opinion on the general fabric
> condition. Punch test accuracy will depend on the individual device
> calibration, total coating thickness, brittleness, and types of coatings
> and
> fabric. Mechanical devices are not applicable to glass fiber fabric that
> will easily shear and indicate a very low reading regardless of the true
> breaking strength. If the fabric tests in the lower breaking strength
> range
> with the mechanical punch tester or if the overall fabric cover conditions
> are poor, then more accurate field tests may be made.
>
> Cut a 1-1/4-inch wide by 4-inch long sample from a top exposed surface,
> remove all coatings and ravel the edges to a 1-inch width. Clamp each end
> between suitable clamps with one clamp anchored to a support structure
> while
> a load is applied (see table 2-1) by adding sand in a suitable container
> suspended a few inches above the floor. If the breaking strength is still
> in
> question, a sample should be sent to a qualified testing laboratory and
> breaking strength tests made in accordance with American Society of
> Testing
> Materials (ASTM) publication D5035.
> AC 43.13-1B 9/8/98
>
> NOTE: ASTM publication D1682 has been discontinued but is still referred
> to
> in some Aerospace Material Specification (AMS). The grab test method
> previously listed in ASTM D1682, sections 1 through 16, has been
> superseded
> by ASTM publication D5034.
> The strip testing method (most commonly used in aircraft) previously
> listed
> in ASTM D1682, sections 17
> through 21, has been superseded by ASTM publication D5035."
>
> It is true that these are experimental aircraft and the builder/repairman
> does the work as he/she sees fit, but in my opinion, the punch test is not
> a
> valid indication of fabric condition.
>
> John Hart
> KF IV
> Wilburton, OK
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Noel Loveys
> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 6:09 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Lightweight fabric!
>
>
> There is a special spring tool for applying pressure to the cloth if it
> penetrates it's no good.
>
> To check the bottom of your frame where rust can attack try putting about
> twenty pounds of force on an awl if it penetrates the frame was rusty if
> it
> doesn't put a spot of paint where you did the test.
>
> Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 6:24 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Lightweight fabric!
>
>
> My 1992 Mod IV 1050 was originally covered in the lightweight fabric that
> was provided by Skystar. It was done extremely well in polyfiber and I had
> no doubt about it's state until yesterday. I had given it a fair knock
> from
> time to time and it always responded with the familiar low note. Yesterday
> I
>
> accidentally bumped it with my elbow and went straight through the
> fuselage
> side! It was right in the area that would have been beside the window in
> the
>
> shed it was stored in before it was mine. I've patched it but I guess a
> fuselage recover is the nest job on the list. There's no indication that
> the
>
> polyspray is not adequate even with a very strong light. What is the
> proper
> way to check fabric? Besides punching a 6" hole in it!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lightweight fabric! |
Didn't he say that the damage occurred in an area where the sun had
shone through a window right onto the fabric when it belonged to a
previous owner?
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/490+ hrs
do not archive
On May 1, 2008, at 9:36 AM, n85ae wrote:
>
> Hi -
>
> Hmm. Well I tried my best to put a hole in some polyfiber when I was
> fabric'ing my plane. It's very tough stuff. Unless you pushed it into
> something sharp with your elbow there's no way you should have
> been able to put a hole in it.
>
> Jeff
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=180470#180470
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flaperon horn bearing - help needed |
My Model 6 does not use the block at all. Skystar told me it wasn't needed but
some European market issue required them to put it in. The S6 did not have the
appropriate tabs to put one in so I tried to make my own. I ultimately decided
that if I trusted Skystar to engineer the rest of the plane I would trust
them telling me the block was not needed. If I had the tabs on the fuse I would
use the block. I'm with Danny in that the shape does not matter except for
the hole. I will try and see if I have the drawing.
Maxwell Duke
S6/TD/IO240/500+hrs
P.S. Congrats Danny!
mdkitfox@aol.com wrote:
I've finally made some progress on my Model V, but I may have run into a small
problem. The manual refers to the full scale drawing template located with
the wing templates (that would be the one I got 14 years ago and after 3 moves
is now missing.) I'm guessing this template is needed to shape the rectangular
block into the the rounded 3 sided block for mounting on the fuselage tabs.
Does anyone have that drawing and the capability to scan it and send it to
me? I would really appreciate it.
Also, has anyone experienced any problems with the flaperon installation on the
wing? Is it straight forward or are there fit problems?
Thanks,
Rick Weiss
Series V Speedster
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Also with an IO240 and I agree. Build a little tool box for wrenches and such.
I have 8 pounds of lead in a baby wipe canister. Fortunately, I made a larger
battery door and have better access than most.
Just for what it's worth, if you're building, consider making a ballast
box and installing it in the tail aft of the battery. With an IO-240B for
example you will end up on the hairy edge of the forward balance
limit if you don't add ballast. I put 15 lb.'s in mine and got it well inside
the envelope and it handles very nicely.
Thought of this because I'm just closing the fueslage on my CH801
project and have been thinking about making an accessible box in it
just in case I need it. With the Series 5 I added ballast via the battery
access panel and it was a real chore to work through that little opening.
Would have been much nicer before I fabric'd it.
Jeff
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S6/TD/IO240
Dublin, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Flaperon horn bearing - help needed |
Mawell,
Based on your experiences as well as others,?I am considering going without them.?
? Thank you for the help.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thu, 1 May 2008 12:10 pm
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flaperon horn bearing - help needed
My Model 6 does not use the block at all.? Skystar told me it wasn't needed but
some European market issue required them to put it in.? The S6 did not have the
appropriate tabs to put one in so I tried to make my own.? I ultimately decided
that if I trusted Skystar to engineer the rest of the plane I would trust
them telling me the block was not needed.? If I had the tabs on the fuse I would
use the block.? I'm with Danny in that the shape does not matter except for
the hole.? I will try and see if I have the drawing.
?
Maxwell Duke
S6/TD/IO240/500+hrs
?
P.S. Congrats Danny!
mdkitfox@aol.com wrote:
I've finally made some progress on my Model V, but I may have run into a small
problem.? The manual refers to the full scale drawing template located with the
wing templates (that would be the one I got 14 years ago and after 3 moves is
now missing.)? I'm guessing this template is needed to shape the rectangular
block into the the rounded 3 sided block for mounting on the fuselage tabs.?
Does anyone have that drawing and the capability to scan it and send it to me??
I would really appreciate it.
Also, has anyone experienced any problems with the flaperon installation on the
wing?? Is it straight forward or are there fit problems?
Thanks,
Rick Weiss
Series V Speedster
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| Subject: | Re: Lightweight fabric! |
Fellows
Here's a thought on this issue. As Lynn said below perhaps the previous
owner did 'not' apply the Ultra Violet inhibiting coat on the fabric as
required and the sun shining through the window caused this portion of the
fabric to deteriorate due to UV exposure over the period that it was in
storage. Is there any way of checking whether the UV protection coat was
applied??
Ted Palamarek
KF IV/912UL
Edmonton, Alberta
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Lightweight fabric!
Didn't he say that the damage occurred in an area where the sun had
shone through a window right onto the fabric when it belonged to a
previous owner?
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/490+ hrs
do not archive
On May 1, 2008, at 9:36 AM, n85ae wrote:
>
> Hi -
>
> Hmm. Well I tried my best to put a hole in some polyfiber when I was
> fabric'ing my plane. It's very tough stuff. Unless you pushed it into
> something sharp with your elbow there's no way you should have
> been able to put a hole in it.
>
> Jeff
>
>
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Actually I need to make a correction, I added 10 NOT 15 pounds of ballast.
Another thing is access to the trim actuator. The brushes in them gunk up,
causing intermittent trim problems. So good to be able to get at the bolts
so you can take it out to clean it every couple years.
Jeff
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=180535#180535
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When I did my rebuild, I needed to add weight to the tail to offset the weight
from the added nose wheel. I moved the battery to the tail section and welded
in a plate with two upright bolts for holding ballast. I used lead weights for
ballast with two holes drilled through them which line up with the two upright
bolts. Wing nuts hold the lead ballast tightly in place. Note the open access
under the horizontal stabilizer in the attached photo. We built a sheet
metal plate to cover the access.
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Steve Wilson
Huntsville, UT
Kitfox I-IV 85DD
912A / 3 Blade Warp Drive
Convertable Nosewheel & Tailwheel
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=180605#180605
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/10_29_2007_462.jpg
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| Subject: | Engine mount wanted |
Anyone intrested in selling an
Engine mount for a SERIE 6 Rotax 912 S
Mine , with 750 hrs have some cracks
please contact of list
Alberto Barba
Kitfox S 6 912 S
750 Hrs
kitfoxs6@gmail.com
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| Subject: | Re: Show us your finished Kitfox!! |
Here's mine. Flew last night .4 hr. Trying to get some rust off me, not the
plane. Jeff Classic IV KTZR
----- Original Message -----
From: "Guy Buchanan" <bnn@nethere.com>
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Show us your finished Kitfox!!
> At 05:42 AM 4/28/2008, you wrote:
>
>>I'm sitting here anxiously waiting for my kit to arrive(Delivery
>>date is July11). I need inspiration to keep my mind occupied. If
>>you guys could start posting photos of your finished or even nearly
>>finished planes, I could entertain myself with those till I start
>>mine. [Laughing]
>
> Here's one.
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> San Diego, CA
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Official Kitfox-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Kitfox-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The
complete Kitfox-List FAQ including the Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kitfox-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
[ Note: This FAQ was designed to be displayed with a fixed width font such as
Courier. Proportional fonts will cause display formatting errors. ]
This FAQ can also be viewed in HTML online at the following address:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm
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******* LIST POLICIES AND FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS *******
************************************************************
PLEASE READ. This document contains Kitfox-List policies and information
for new and old subscribers. Understanding the Kitfox-List policies will
minimize problems for the Administrator, and will help keep the Kitfox-List
running smoothly for all of us.
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*** Quick Start Guide to List Features ***
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There are many features available on the Matronics Email Lists and each
one is described in detailed below. However, using the List Navigator
you can quickly access the complete set of features available for this
List. The List Navigator can be found at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
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*** How to Subscribe and Unsubscribe ***
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Simply go to the Web Page shown below and enter your email address and
select the List(s) that you wish to subscribe or unsubscribed from. You
may also use the handy "Find" function to determine the exact syntax of
your email address as it is subscribed to the List. Please see the
complete instructions at the top of the Web Page for more information.
The Subscribe/Unsubscribe web page is:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you will receive TWO conformation emails regarding your subsciption
process. The first verifies that your subscription/unsubsciption request
was received, and the second confirms that the process has been completed.
You should receive the first email within a few minutes of your request.
The second conformation will arrive in less than 24 hours. You cannot post
until you receive the second conformation email message.
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*** How to Post a Message ***
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Send an email message to:
kitfox-list@matronics.com
Your message will be redistributed to everyone currently subscribed
to the List.
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*** SPAM Fighter - You Must be Subscribed to Post ***
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When a new post is received by the system, the From: line of the message
is checked and compared against the current subscription list. If the
email address is found, the message is passed on to the List Processor.
If the email address isn't found in the current list of subscribers, it
is dumped. This serves to very effectively thwart 99% of the SPAM that
gets posted to the Lists.
Remember, however, that the syntax of your email address is very important
with regard to the configuration of your email application such as Outlook
or Eudora. For example, the following two email addresses may be
functionally equivalent, but only one would pass the Matronics Email SPAM
test depending on which was syntax was subscribed to the given List:
smith@machine.domain.com
smith@domain.com
Either email address syntax is alright, just be sure that you configure
your email application to match *exactly* the address you've subscibed to
the List.
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*** Enclosure Support on the Lists ***
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Limited posting of enclosures such as pictures, documents, and spreadsheets
is supported on the Lists. There are a number of restrictions, and these
are detailed below. Please abide by the rules put forth regarding the
content of enclosures.
These are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics
Lists:
1) Enclosures will only be posted to the Real Time version of the Lists.
2) Enclosures will NOT be included in the Daily Digest version of the Lists.
3) Enclosures WILL BE forwarded on to the BBS Forum Web site.
4) Enclosures will NOT be appended to the Archives.
5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature.
6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed:
bmp doc dwg dxf gif jpg pdf png txt xls
All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to
sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from
a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk.
7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting
to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down
the process of posting the message !!
Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules
could result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists.
1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files
you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there
are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post
30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these
folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just
unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother.
And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
questionable. !!
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subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting
to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and
BE COURTEOUS!
Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where
you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
for long time viewing and availability.
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*** Digest Mode ***
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Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started.
This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended
to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:"
and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting
of a line of underscores.
Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be
combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list.
To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form
described above, and just select the Digest version of the List.
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions
of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable.
Now some caveats:
* Messages sent to "kitfox-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard
email list. In other words, you cannot post messages only to the
digest List.
* If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you
will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of
the day.
* If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the
normal list associated with the digest. Important Note: Please change
the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please
*do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*.
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*** List Digest Browser ***
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An archive of all the List Digests can be found online in either plain text
or HTML format. These archives contain the exact Digest that was posted to
the Digest email list on the given day. The Digest Archives can be found
at the following location:
http://www.matronics.com/digest
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*** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag ***
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At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very
small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive
it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the
message:
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Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List
email distribution as normal.
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Note that if your email address begins to cause problems such as bounced
email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly
removed from the List. If you discover that you are no longer receiving
messages from the Kitfox-List, go to the following Web page, and look
for your email address and a possible reason for your removal.
The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that
automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that
caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the
Lists you will find record of it at the following URL:
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If the problem listed on the web site above has been resolved, please feel
free to resubscribe to the Lists of your choice.
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*** List Member Information ***
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If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and
paper mail address in the following format:
smith@somehost.com
Joe Smith
123 Airport Lane
Tower, CA 91234-1234
098-765-1234 w
123-456-7890 h
Please forward this information to the following email address:
requests@matronics.com
I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
be used for any other commercial purpose.
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*** Realtime Web Email List Browsing ***
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Recent messages posted to the Kitfox-List are also made available on
the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject,
Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are
updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
Browser Interface in view-mode.
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/kitfox-list
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*** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface ***
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A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all Kitfox-List content.
content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
http://forums.matronics.com
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*** Matronics Email List Wiki ***
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In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed
information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at:
http://wiki.matronics.com
The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
wiki-support@matronics.com
One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
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*** List Archives ***
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A file containing of all of the previous postings to the Kitfox-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* Kitfox-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the Kitfox-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* Kitfox-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* Kitfox-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* Kitfox-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the Kitfox-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* Kitfox-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the Kitfox-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
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The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
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The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
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*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
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All messages posted to the Kitfox-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?Kitfox
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**** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
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You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
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*** File and Photo Share ***
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With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
pictures@matronics.com
!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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*** List Archive CDROM ***
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A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
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Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kitfox-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kitfox-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Kitfox-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kitfox-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
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- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
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- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
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quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
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agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
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| Subject: | Official Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Kitfox-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kitfox-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kitfox-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kitfox-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Kitfox-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kitfox-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
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everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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