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1. 04:45 AM - Re: gps (Catz631@aol.com)
2. 04:55 AM - Re: taildragger landing technique. (Catz631@aol.com)
3. 06:05 AM - Re: Re: gps (Noel Loveys)
4. 07:45 AM - Re: Newbie with a prop ? (crazyivan)
5. 08:01 AM - Re: ER: gps (Michel Verheughe)
6. 08:21 AM - Re: Re: gps (bob noffs)
7. 08:54 AM - (bob noffs)
8. 09:54 AM - Re: ER: gps (wingnut)
9. 10:18 AM - Re: gps (Michel Verheughe)
10. 01:43 PM - Re: gps (n85ae)
11. 03:09 PM - Re: finally i got my check ride, BUT. (Cudnohufsky's)
12. 03:17 PM - Re: finally i got my check ride, BUT. (wingnut)
13. 09:33 PM - Re: Iceland (Ted Palamarek)
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Here is my panel with the Garmin 396. It takes up little space.
Dick Maddux
Pensacola,Fl
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| Subject: | Re: taildragger landing technique. |
Gary,
Check out the new Sensenich composite prop.I saw it at Sebring and SNF. It
is really neat ! It would be ideal for the O-200. In fact if my Warp heads
south,that's what I will be installing.
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Guy:
Making it up as you go along is just what you should do... It will give you
a panel you will be most comfortable with.
I have noticed in a lot of certified planes they have the primary flight
instruments right in front of the pilot, a centre panel section for avionics
as most avionics come in a more or less standard width tray and finally the
engine instruments on the right. Some guys consider a tachometer to be more
or less primary so it will be on the left panel too.
Have fun!
Sigtaturea
Noel Loveys
Campbellton, NL, Canada
CDN AME intern, PP-Rec
C-FINB, Kitfox III-A
Aerocet 1100 floats
noelloveys@yahoo.ca
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 1:48 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Kitfox-List: gps
At 08:16 AM 5/11/2008, you wrote:
>When I get there (re-fit) where would I look for modular info.
There's no info, you get to make it up yourself. >:-} I will
cut out sections of the existing panel that I think make sense from a
maintenance standpoint. I will then reinforce the remainder of the
panel to support itself and the cut out "modules". The modules will
then be put back on, (or new plates made,) with hinges and all the
wiring / tubing will be strain relieved at the hinge line. The
opposite end will be fastened with a couple of fasteners, (or more,)
the whole idea being that if I want to get behind the panel I can
very easily. If I want to do a mod, I replace a flat panel plate, a
fairly easy proposition.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Newbie with a prop ? |
I did exactly what you are doing. I bought a new Ivoprop after I bought my Speedster
because I found that the hub bolts were overtightened.
I bought the prop from kitfoxairctaftllc.com on the recommendation of the McBeans.
They consulted with Ivoprop directly.
I then contacted my local FSBO and told the guys what I intended to do. They said
as long as the manufacturer of the kit and the manufacturer of the prop recommend
this new propeller then the 5 hour test period was not necessary. They
also cautioned that I follow the installation procedures exactly. I had a copy
of AC-43.13-1B/2A "Aircraft inspections, repairs and alterations" in hand.
Contact the Warp guys and get their concurrence that the prop you ordered is the
proper propeller for your aircraft and engine combination.
I wrote a formal letter to the local FSDO and described in detail the deal with
Kitfox LLC, the procedures I was going to use to install the new prop. They
wrote back a formal letter of acknowledgment and authorization to fly the aircraft
without the test period.
I can't speak highly enough of the local FSDO guys. They were very helpful, yet
dedicated to their mission; ensuring I didn't do anything dangerous or against
the regs.
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Dave
Speedster 912 UL
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Sorry, a bit off-topic.
> From: wingnut [wingnut@spamarrest.com]
> In fact, not only is it not free, you can't buy it.
I know, Luis. But what would you do if you were them?
Different countries have different rules. In Norway, for example, about half of
the airfields where a Kitfox could land, are private, hence not in our national
AIP. It is the Norwegian Aero Club who is responsible to keep track of them.
I am told that Jeppesen spend yearly about USD 2,000 to purchase those data only
for Norway. Jeppesen can afford it because they have so many subscribers. PocketFMS
has only a tiny portion of that. They can't afford the expense and must
find and enter manually the data. It takes time and cost money. I was told that,
when PocketFMS was 'donationware,' only 2% of the users were giving a 'donation'
of 50 Euro. That's why it didn't work.
You can write programs and give them away. When the program is finished, you're
finished. PocketFMS never ends; every 28 days, you must maintain the worldwide
database. As long as the program doesn't have the number of subscribers as Garmin/Jeppesen,
it will be blood sweat and tears to get it to survive. But aren't
we, pilots, gaining from a competition between different programs?
It's pretty much like Microsoft. If they didn't had competition from Linux and
Apple, they could just do whatever they want. Would you like to see that?
The only acceptable solution for the digital aviation mapping is if say, ICAO had
to power to force all member countries to give them, in a standard format,
all the data of all the airspaces, airfields and navaids for their country. Then
the ICAO would make it available to anyone who wants to publish ditigal maps
and/or navigation tools for pilots. That would be really nice! ... but, unfortunately,
most unlikely to happen. :-(
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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hi guy, i made my panel in sections and when i started to design i had
planned to hinge the sections along the bottom so the panel would ''flip
out''. after some designing the tail started wagging the dog in that the
hinge set up was creating most of the problems. if the top row of
instruments are deep, they require a lot of clearance built in for the panel
to flip out. i also ran into clearance problems with the panel after it
tilted into cabin space. that panel really had to flip out past 90 deg. to
get at an instrument along the bottom. finally i gave up the idea of having
a hinge and put a few screws along the bottom of the panel section. that
made everything 10 times easier to design. the sections pull straight out as
needed and that works very well.
you just have to see what works and fits in your layout
bob noffs
----- Original Message -----
From: "Guy Buchanan" <bnn@nethere.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Kitfox-List: gps
>
> At 08:16 AM 5/11/2008, you wrote:
>>When I get there (re-fit) where would I look for modular info.
>
> There's no info, you get to make it up yourself. >:-} I will cut
> out sections of the existing panel that I think make sense from a
> maintenance standpoint. I will then reinforce the remainder of the panel
> to support itself and the cut out "modules". The modules will then be put
> back on, (or new plates made,) with hinges and all the wiring / tubing
> will be strain relieved at the hinge line. The opposite end will be
> fastened with a couple of fasteners, (or more,) the whole idea being that
> if I want to get behind the panel I can very easily. If I want to do a
> mod, I replace a flat panel plate, a fairly easy proposition.
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> San Diego, CA
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
>
>
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dick maddux,
your panel looks great, very professional. isn'y your turn coor. one of
the new solid state units. i look at their a.h. ads just to tease
myself. your panel dock for your gps is slick. it does a lot for the
looks of the panel and i would think makes operating the unit easier.
that panel dock is my second choice for my gps and i still have one
issue kind of up in the air. i have read that really cold temps [say 20
below like i get all the time in the winter] can permanently damage the
display. if that is the case i will go with a panel dock. a friend has
an airmap 2000 and i spent some time with it figuring how to panel mount
it flush. i think that was before docks existed.
if anyone knows of temp damage to displays i would like to hear.
bob noffs
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I'm all for competition and when I make a purchase, I try to give all the players
fair consideration. But once I decide to buy, I'm going to go with the best
value for my money. That said, it sounds like Pocket FMS might still be a good
deal in certain markets. Here in the states, there are other more cost effective
PDA solutions. Back when I was comparing the many PDA based systems Mountain
Scope had the interface that I like best by far. I discounted them eventually
because of price (hard to compete with free). To be honest, I'm now thinking
of just putting my PDA back on Ebay going with a used Garmin 196. Looks like
they're selling in the $400 range on Ebay.
--------
Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
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> From: wingnut [wingnut@spamarrest.com]
> Here in the states, there are other more cost effective PDA solutions.
That is true, Luis. When, for one and half year ago, the USGS decided to stop publishing
the DAFIF database, it kept it for the US. I am not complaining, we
have for many years used what has been paid by the US taxpayers (and we still
do it with the GPS system) but for non-US countries, the only alternative now
is to get the data from Jeppesen ... or someone else who has the courage to gather
manually all the data.
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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I had a GPS revelation recently. My plane has a Panel Mounted Garmin
GNC-250XL. For years I've been flying it, and mostly just hitting the
"Direct To" button.
Well finally I yanked it out of the plane, took it home, found a power
adapter (it has a jack for external power) and ran it in simulator mode
on my desk every day for a week at work. I figured out how to use
every single function it has, and made a determined effort to get
proficient with it. Something I could NEVER do in the air.
Well that GPS can do a LOT. However had I not spent a bunch of time
learning to use it, I would probably have just kept on using "Direct To"
mode.
The Moral of the Story - Whatever GPS you have, use it a lot out of
the plane so you can learn how to use it in the plane. :)
I also talked to tech support at Garmin - "Why do data updates for my
panel mount cost so much more than for the handhelds?" Answer
Garmin panel mounted GPS's get certificated data, Garmin handhelds
do not.
Regards,
Jeff
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| Subject: | finally i got my check ride, BUT. |
On my four I would pull the power back and then pull in about 30% of the
flaps, I do not know what that equaled in degrees, the flaps in the four
were on a friction lever, no notches, I had a mark on the tube I could feel
and always pulled it to that point on downwind for landing, then trimmed the
elevator before turning base, I was normally high because the plane slowed
so fast once power was pulled (In case of engine out, yes I've had one) I
would normally do a forward slip to the runway to give up the extra
altitude, flare as normal, waiting for the touchdown, once I touched I would
relax the stick slightly to stay down, If I did happen to bounce I always
had my hand on the throttle and would give a little burst and flair it back
down with the throttle. If I managed to hold it off long enough to get my
tail wheel to touch first I knew I was down with no bounce. As someone else
stated it just takes practice and getting use to your plane. I had a remote
strip about 15 miles from my house that was paved with a grass cross wind
strip that I would fly to and practice without irritating the local airport
buffs.
Lloyd
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Allen
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 12:24 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: finally i got my check ride, BUT.
"From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Geir_Olav_=D8ien?= <geir_olav@c2i.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: finally i got my check ride, BUT.
I got my check ride in my Kitfox IV (speedster!)yesterday. BUT I need
some tip on landing this thing. When doing a 3 pointer, and stalls out 4=94
above ground, I easily bounces 2 feet into the air again."
I think you are a little lower than you think you are, thus your mains are
hitting the ground before you are stalled, causing the tail to come down
abruptly, increasing the angle of attack, and throwing your nose back up
into the air. A contributing factor may be that using flaps is reducing
your ability to flare. In mine, it is difficult to get the tail down with
flaps.
I don't know about your tires or bungees, because I switched mine from
bungees and square-shouldered trailer tires to Grove gear and 6:00 x 6
airplane tires, which tamed it. I don't think your approach speed is
involved in your boouncing problem. I think mine stalls at about 45 IAS
without flaps and without power.
If I hit the ground in mine and bounce, I just hold the stick full back and
keep on landing. If I drop it in, I do the same thing. Once you learn
where the ground plane is and quit using flaps so you can flare properly,
you should not have that problem any more. That takes lots of practice.
After you master that, you can try it with flaps.
JA Kitfox IV Speedster
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| Subject: | Re: finally i got my check ride, BUT. |
You mean it's not supposed to bounce when I land?
--------
Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
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Thor
A number of years ago you posted a message to the Kitfox list about a tour
several of you made around Iceland. Just recently we flew over Iceland and
I'm interested in going there one day. We really don't like organized tours
and would rather plan our own routes and do it with a rental car. How long
do you think a reasonable time to circle the island would be? We like to see
most of the sites along the way and would probably spend 2 to 3 weeks on a
vacation there. Does this sound like a reasonable time.
Thanks
Ted Palamarek
Edmonton Alberta
Canada
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
kitfox@simnet.is
Sent: March 24, 2005 6:37 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Iceland
Hi Dee
You are welcome to the pictures. The photo album I like best is from the
"Around Iceland 2004" tour( http://that.is/slettan/gallery/ ) I did with my
fellow UL pilots last summer. We all said that it was the must fun
possible, in a plain that is. We have already started to plan the 2005 tour,
if everything goes as planed it will be in the week 2-8th july. And we are
determened to have eaven more fun then last time.
Some Info on Kitfox In Iceland.
There are as far as I know seven KF's here in Iceland
1. Kitfox I serial nr. #155. Rotax 532. First flown in 1988. Has been
standing in hanger for many years and is not airworthy.
2. Kitfox I Serial nr. #197. Rotax 532(is in the process of getting a new
582). First flown in 1989. I probably the most used Kitfox over here, has
been flown on regular basis sinch day one.
3. Kitfox II (KF I fuselag with KF II wing)Serial nr. #220. Rotax 532.
First flown in 1990. This is my plain, I bought it a year and a half ago
with only 42 hrs. on it. Sinch then I have logged over 100 trouble free
hrs. on it, and the more I fly it the more I love it.
4. Kitfox III Serial nr. #1115 Rotax 582. First flown in 1995 and flown alot
until it chrased in july 2000.
5. Kitfox III Serial nr. #1198, Rotax 912. First flown in okt. 1995.
6. Kitfox III Has been under construction for over ten years, will, if all
goes well, fly this spring. With Rotax 582.
7. Kitfox III Is under construcion, will not fly this year, maby in 2006.
Regards from Iceland, Thor
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