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1. 06:06 AM - trailer leveling bubbles (bob noffs)
2. 06:35 AM - Re: Cabin Heat (kitfoxmike)
3. 06:47 AM - Re: Cabin Heat (kitfoxmike)
4. 06:55 AM - Re: Clipping wing and putting on a Speedster wing tip (kitfoxmike)
5. 09:41 AM - Re: ENGINE MOUNT QUESTION? (bigboyzt0yz)
6. 01:12 PM - Re: Re: Clipping wing and putting on a Speedster wing tip (Cudnohufsky's)
7. 01:20 PM - Re: Kitfox Classic IV for sale (flier)
8. 02:47 PM - Re: Re: finally i got my check ride, BUT. (Noel Loveys)
9. 04:05 PM - Re: Re: finally i got my check ride, BUT. (Noel Loveys)
10. 07:45 PM - Re: Re: ENGINE MOUNT QUESTION? (RAY Gignac)
11. 09:24 PM - 912 engine mount in a Kitfox 4 (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
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| Subject: | trailer leveling bubbles |
recently a friend with a dakota hawk experimented with vortex generators
on the leading edge of the wing. the results were impressive. power off
was about 26-28mph, before it was 36mph. clean. these numbers are not
exact but the magnitude is accurate. the kicker was that any angle
steeper than 3 point landing config. may have kept you safer at altitude
but was unuseable for landing. a trailer leveling bubble mounted in the
cabin would have made testing minimum speeds at altitude a lot moe
accurate than guessing at the 3 point angle of attack. just food for
thought.
bob noffs
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I do this every year on my fox. I use an oil funnel behind the rad, than I use
that orange scat tube and run it into the cabin. I use duct tape to cover the
front of the rad. I cover it until I get 180 inside temps. 6 inch for 50-60degrees
f. 12inch for 40-50, eventually I cover it solid except for the spot
the funnel is on for down to 25degrees, after that it's just to darn cold. Around
25 is cold but with the heat coming in the windscreen is always clear, I
just wear a nice coat and use my thin gloves. Make sure you seal off all air
leaks.
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kitfoxmike wrote:
> I cover it until I get 180 inside temps..
woops, meant to say, I cover it until I get 180 for water temps.
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| Subject: | Re: Clipping wing and putting on a Speedster wing tip |
My kitfox 4 1200 was originally long wing. I shortened it by one bay on each side,
the tips were already the right ones.
What I found after doing this, I would never have a long wing again. The cross
wind effect was much better, use to get thrown around all over the place with
long wing. The ground effect was better, don't ask me why. The turn rate, really
cool. I would do it again in a heart beat.
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| Subject: | Re: ENGINE MOUNT QUESTION? |
If you are talking about the 10 MM bolts the screw into the block they should be
310 inch pounds. Since my inch pound wrench only goes up to 50 I use my foot
pound wrench and that would be 25.8333333333. Snicker Snicker
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Lee Fritz in owings Mills Md. 2002 KitFox-IV Classic/912UL/Warp drive prop/100%
Complete (just adding the Extras now) /71 hours time on plane since Aug 07 "Have
your feet on the Pedals and keep reaching for the sky".
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| Subject: | Re: Clipping wing and putting on a Speedster wing tip |
Anyone on the list ever clip a bay off of a Model 5?? Just wondering, it
would make my wing repairs much simpler.
Lloyd
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kitfoxmike
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 8:51 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Clipping wing and putting on a Speedster wing tip
My kitfox 4 1200 was originally long wing. I shortened it by one bay on
each side, the tips were already the right ones.
What I found after doing this, I would never have a long wing again. The
cross wind effect was much better, use to get thrown around all over the
place with long wing. The ground effect was better, don't ask me why. The
turn rate, really cool. I would do it again in a heart beat.
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Checked by AVG.
7:24 AM
Checked by AVG.
7:24 AM
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Classic IV for sale |
It's with mixed emotions that I'm sending off N962TC to it's new owner in the morning.
I've been a list member now since way back when (97...) and have gathered a lot
of great input and had many interesting discussions with various list members
over the years.
Best of luck to all you 'Fox owners. My next chapter begins with completion of
my Bearhawk... :D
Regards & signing off,
Ted
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| Subject: | Re: finally i got my check ride, BUT. |
Best advice I can give to avoid bouncing is swap the wheels for a good set
of floats. :-)
I never have a problem with bouncing... round out about a foot above the
water and the next thing you know you're down.
Noel
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Geir Olav ien
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 6:46 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: finally i got my check ride, BUT.
<geir_olav@c2i.net>
Thanks to all for the postings for my bouncing problem, will take all this
information and practice the first opportunity. Will gap seal my elevators,
and not use the flap when practicing landings (have to fly about 30 min to
another airstrip to practice landings) but this airstrip is long and nice
(soft field). Will come back with more info how everything is going. But I
clearly see the problem with using the flap and elevator authority, and all
I need is practice. Some friends of me did not believe a Kitfox 4 would
cruise on or above 100mph, but what you wrote below here state my numbers.
Thanks again
Geir Olav
LN-YGR
Kitfox IV (speedster ving)
Jabiru 2200.
http://tinyurl.com/6d245z
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] P vegne av kitfoxmike
Sendt: 14. mai 2008 19:49
Til: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Emne: Kitfox-List: Re: finally i got my check ride, BUT.
I just finished with my daily flight and I actually took notice of what
happens when I land. First off, and I think this is important, I'm going to
post some stats on my airplane.
Kitfox model 4 1200 speedster.
Rotax 912 80horse
Ivo prop inflight adjust.
dry weight is 650
300left 302right
48tail
I have vg's on the wing with 10%back, none on the horizontal
I have gap seals on the elevator, but they have blown out on about 30% of
such.
I weigh in at a whopping 180lbs. If I have a passenger that's another 160.
I have two 16gal tanks in the wings.
I have a cruise speed of 103kts. Gps.
Now when I land I normally do a short in approach, generally about a 1000ft
out from the approach end of the runway, I will do 100mph indicated on the
down wind, when In base I will be doing about 90mph, then I turn to final
with a 60degree bank about 100ft off, as I'm half way in the turn I will put
in full right rudder and slice it down to about 20 off the ground at which
time I will be around 80mph, I keep in right rudder and level off and let up
on the aileron and use only that needed to keep centerline, I will keep this
until about 60 than I will straighten the aircraft
and land it.
If I do a straight in I will establish 70mph for the final, seems to work
best for me, any slower and the nose comes up to much and gets too boring,
No flaps ever, I like to have 60 over the approach end of the runway, flat
prop, and power all the way back, (my rpm for full back is 300rpm, real
slow) As I run over the approach end I will be about 10ft off, I start to
pull back on the stick to get a slight nose high, after this I use throttle
only, as I slow so does the engine, so I increase slightly. When I touch
down I'm always at 40mph, 45 will make me bounce slightly, not noticeably by
anybody watching, but I know it.
I had to go out and fly some touches to know what my speeds are because to
be frank, I don't look at my indicator, I just fly in. I may glance at the
airspeed to make sure I'm close to 70 at about 3000ft out.
When I do a wheel landing I do the same speeds except the touch down is at
55mph indicated, makes a real nice landing. Than I will pull power off and
slowly pull back on the stick to lower the rear wheel.
Remember your ailerons will start working at 25mph. with no flaps those
buggers work real good also
Now just a little brag here, I put on new tires last year, I have over 6000
landings on them. I never squeak the tires, and very seldom bounce. I put
in 310hrs. 408 flights for 2007. I do an average of 30 t &G a flight. I
can do a touch and go every minute.
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| Subject: | Re: finally i got my check ride, BUT. |
If it works! I think it's a great idea.
Sigtaturea
Noel Loveys
Campbellton, NL, Canada
CDN AME intern, PP-Rec
C-FINB, Kitfox III-A
582 B box, Ivo IFA, Aerocet 1100 floats
noelloveys@yahoo.ca
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 3:58 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: finally i got my check ride, BUT.
At 02:47 PM 5/14/2008, you wrote:
9. Make sure you have memorized the field of reference out the wind screen,
such that the plane is flying perfectly straight ahead !! There is
definitely a technique for this as the off centered view in a fox is
deceiving.
I still have my "beginners" stripes on my windshield. 1/8" blue
tape. The horizontal one is the horizon in a 3-point attitude. The vertical
one is a "gunsight" that doubles when I focus at infinity, giving me a
bracket for the centerline. Embarrassing, but I've gotten over it.
[]
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: ENGINE MOUNT QUESTION? |
Your reading your email!! WOW.
Ray> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: ENGINE MOUNT QUESTION?> From: bigboyzt0yz@ya
hoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 09:36:39 -0700> To: kitfox-list@matronics.c
om>> > If you are talking about the 10 MM bolts the screw into the block th
ey should be 310 inch pounds. Since my inch pound wrench only goes up to 50
I use my foot pound wrench and that would be 25.8333333333. Snicker Snicke
r> > --------> Lee Fritz in owings Mills Md. 2002 KitFox-IV Classic/912UL/W
arp drive prop/100% Complete (just adding the Extras now) /71 hours time on
plane since Aug 07 "Have your feet on the Pedals and keep reaching fo
r the sky".> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.mat
===================> > >
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| Subject: | 912 engine mount in a Kitfox 4 |
Hi all, well I found a 912 for my Kitfox 4 Classic project. It had been m
ounted on a Rans S-12 so it used a bottom mount. I've never looked at a Ki
tfox with a 912 mounted and am wondering how the engine mounts to the motor
mount. If someone could post a picture or two of their installed engine I
would appreciate it. I guess I'm wondering also how the oil tank mounts.
The guy that bought my kit from Skystar didn't get the firewall forward pa
ckage, and in my builders manual, the engine section is empty. I suppost t
hat section will come in handy when I want to start installing the engine.
Where can I get a copy of that? Thanks, Jim Chuk Avids, Kitfox 4 Mn
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