---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 05/24/08: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:25 AM - Re: Mountain Flying (John W. Hart) 2. 08:44 AM - Re: VG's for Series-7 (Rich L) 3. 10:07 AM - Re: Mountain Flying (dholly) 4. 10:17 AM - Re: Show us your panel!! (Dave) 5. 10:59 AM - 912 oil cooler placement?? (SUE MICHAELS) 6. 12:56 PM - Re: VG's for Series-7 (darinh) 7. 02:11 PM - Re: VG's for Series-7 (Rich L) 8. 02:40 PM - (bob noffs) 9. 03:53 PM - Re: VG's for Series-7 (dave) 10. 05:04 PM - Re: VG's for Series-7 (Rich L) 11. 06:39 PM - Re: 912 oil cooler placement?? (Mark Reupert) 12. 06:51 PM - Re: VG's for Series-7 (dave) 13. 08:27 PM - Re: VG's for Series-7 (Rich L) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:25:42 AM PST US From: "John W. Hart" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Mountain Flying Rick, Thanks. Looking like we ought to form a Kitfox WOPA chapter. I think there's at least 4 Warrant Officers, both retired and active duty, that get on the list. I also flew single engine fixed wing charter work year around in interior Alaska after retirement for 8 years. Plenty mountains and winds, but the DA wasn't such a problem. John Hart KF IV Wilburton, OK -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 10:43 AM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Mountain Flying First, John glad you made it home my brother. James as a former 23 year Marine you guys are our heroes. AS for my mountain flying, lets see, I once took off in the mountains with a 9K DA wind blowing 30 gust to 43 switching back a forth 20 degrees to either side of the runway. I had 4 guys walk my wings out on the kitfox to get me to the runway. I should have know better and when the guys yelled to their friends "hey you guys got to see this", that should also have been my clue to listen to the small voice in my head that was saying " hey dumb ass what are you doing. It went fine, bounced and twisted every which way but straight until I hit 8,500 where it smoothed out. Wont say I was scared but the wood stick grip had to be sanded from the sweat raising the grain. Would I do it again. Don't think so. Glad I did it then, yep. Unfortunately heroes like you and John do not get to choose what kind of crap you fly in. That's why you and all those in harms way are so appreciated by those that know what sacrifice is. Thanks Rick CWO-4 USMC Ret. Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Hart Sent: 2008-05-19 16:54 Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Mountain Flying --> Two years flying UH-1 in South Vietnam - 1965-66 and 1970-71. Plenty mountains, DA higher than hell, right along with the temperature! John Hart Model IV Wilburton, OK -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of WurlyBird Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 2:04 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Mountain Flying Just trying to post a thread that will get some active and relaxing posting going. Since I am in Afghanistan right now every day is an adventure flying. This is some of the most unforgiving terrain you can imagine. The other day we were flying down a valley at about 200' agl and I realized that we didn't pass a single, reasonable, forced landing area for about 5 minutes. 45 degree walls going straight into a river. A few weeks ago we were on the floor of a valley about 200 meters wide where we had to keep doing U-turns and yet stay low, again with 45 degree walls on either side. It came down to doing a chandelle or wingover type maneuver in a 5000 lb helicopter and recovering at about 20' agl. All this and at 8-10,000' DA. So what are YOUR mountain flying stories? I want to hear about it. -------- Prospective Kitfox buyer Here for information on airframes and engines Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183862#183862 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:44:41 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: VG's for Series-7 From: "Rich L" I went ahead and installed the VG's and did a test flight this morning. They worked just about as advertised and the increased stability on TO and Landing really makes it a treat to fly. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=184636#184636 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:07:58 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Mountain Flying From: "dholly" Wurly - Here's some fun mountain [top] video clips I ran across recently: Wheeeee.... _____________________________ Short field hilltop (02:41): 200ft. short ,16 degrees steep, bumpy hilltop landing in a Just Aircraft Highlander. Pretty intense and way fun! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUgW-9WQ1C4 STOL hilltop fun in my Highlander (06:00): The 1st hilltop in this clip is 20 degrees steep and 150 ft long. altitude about 3500 ft. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zioQVUSWcY Short steep hilltop rearview (01:37): This same place is on earlier clips but I thought this was an interesting perspective. It was about 75 with 4800 DA. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8Gy5mn8_Y8 Tailflying fun! (02:44): Playing on very short steep tiny hilltop and ya I know, one of my tailwheel springs came unhooked. I had a great time landing lots of cool places yesterday in my Highlander. What a fun airplane! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el3M3ua3Zm8 -------- Airdale Avid Plus project | Jab2200 | Aerocet 1100 Amphibs Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=184647#184647 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:17:00 AM PST US From: "Dave" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Show us your panel!! If you meant the carpet (normal plastic indoor outdoor) the panels are .020 cut to follow the tubes with about 3/4" extra. They are riveted through the firewall to stainless 1/2" "L" stiffeners from below the footwell bend in the firewall and "stitched" to the frame tubes with tie wraps the carpet is glued to the aluminum and the extra folded over to give a finished edge. Not my creation it was done by a gentleman in New Brunswick, Glen McGuigan. ----- Original Message ----- From: jeff puls To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 9:32 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Show us your panel!! Dave, Where did you get your kickpanels? Jeff Classic IV Ktzr ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 6:46 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Show us your panel!! Here's the panel from C-FOYT. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:59:19 AM PST US From: SUE MICHAELS Subject: Kitfox-List: 912 oil cooler placement?? My 7/Sport has a little fit problem at the front of cowling. Prop hub (not extension) just forward of cooling and exhaust closer to the front of cowling then I prefer, but this the way I bought the kit. So I have issues with placing the cooler in front of the rectangular slot opening below the Prop opening. I noticed a few Kitfox 6 or 7's with the oil cooler sitting in front of the radiator. Any thoughts?? George ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:56:06 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: VG's for Series-7 From: "darinh" Rich, Sounds awesome...how far back from LE did you end up placing them? -------- Darin Hawkes Series 7 (Final Assembly) 914 Turbo Kaysville, Utah Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=184662#184662 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:11:54 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: VG's for Series-7 From: "Rich L" Joa Harrison recommended 10% for the Kitfox. I put mine a little over 5.1" to the middle of the VG's on the wing. I put them about 2" in front of the hinges on the stabilizer. I bought two sets so I put 128 VG's on the wings and 52 on the stabilizer. My stall went from 39 to 30mph and with 10 degrees of flaps it went from 35 to 25mph. Slow flight can be done at 35 mph now. It makes for awesome short field landings and take-offs. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=184664#184664 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:40:24 PM PST US From: "bob noffs" Subject: Kitfox-List: joa, the results of your vg's is impressive. did you do any speed runs before and after installation for w.o.t. speed loss? i saw similar results with wing vg's on a dakota hawk. there was a loss of a couple mph., but worth it. bob noffs ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:53:17 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: VG's for Series-7 From: "dave" > Joa Harrison recommended 10% for the Kitfox. I put mine a little over 5.1" to the middle of the VG's on the wing. I put them about 2" in front of the hinges on the stabilizer. I bought two sets so I put 128 VG's on the wings and 52 on the stabilizer. My stall went from 39 to 30mph and with 10 degrees of flaps it went from 35 to 25mph. Slow flight can be done at 35 mph now. It makes for awesome short field landings and take-offs. Wow -- huge number gain. I have tried and add got far less gains, mind you I still have them on. What model do you fly and how do you calibrate your airspeeds to give those impressive numbers? How long is your take off run ? How many degrees flaps are you using ? Dave -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=184674#184674 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:04:29 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: VG's for Series-7 From: "Rich L" The plane is a Kitfox Series-7 ELSA. I am not a test pilot and these are definitely not "calibrated" or exact airspeeds. These are strictly before and after speeds on a Dynon D-100. It gives a digital airspeed reading and has been pretty close to the overall ground speeds I get on my GPS. (no wind). If you go to www.landshorter.com and look at the testimonials, some others have had the same success. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=184680#184680 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:39:34 PM PST US From: "Mark Reupert" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912 oil cooler placement?? My oil cooler is mounted in front of the radiator on my Kitfox 5, the oil runs so cool that I had to add an oil thermostat, it may be a slightly oversize oil cooler though. I know it was replaced before I bought this plane. Mark Hartford, Wisconsin 912 UL IVO On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 12:55 PM, SUE MICHAELS wrote: > My 7/Sport has a little fit problem at the front of cowling. Prop hub (not > extension) just forward of cooling and exhaust closer to the front of > cowling then I prefer, but this the way I bought the kit. So I have issues > with placing the cooler in front of the rectangular slot opening below the > Prop opening. I noticed a few Kitfox 6 or 7's with the oil cooler sitting in > front of the radiator. Any thoughts?? > > George > > * > > * > > -- Mark Kitfox Vixen 912 UL IVO Hartford, Wisconsin ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:51:17 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: VG's for Series-7 From: "dave" Rich , I have tested both StolSpeed and Harrison with minimal results. Mind you that was model IV I have. Mine work but I never seen those kind of numbers. You should try with a GPS . -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=184695#184695 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:27:55 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: VG's for Series-7 From: "Rich L" Dont know yet, WX too crappy right now. I did notice that it lifted into the air much smoother. Before it kinda lept up. Now it just gently lifts off. That could have been pilot technique but I didn't change anything. I was getting off in less than 200 ft before. I think it is little less now. The engine is a Rotax 912uls. I will try it and let you know. I have the runway lights measured out here so I know pretty well how long my takeoff run is. Rich in North Idaho Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=184707#184707 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kitfox-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.