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1. 02:07 AM - Re: Ethanol? (dave)
2. 02:17 AM - Re: VG's for Series-7 (dave)
3. 02:27 AM - Re: ELT Placement in a Model II (dave)
4. 02:28 AM - Re: I'm back (dave)
5. 05:35 AM - Re: Re: Ethanol? (Noel Loveys)
6. 05:42 AM - Kitfox IV For Sale (RONAL SMITH)
7. 06:35 AM - Re: ELT Placement in a Model II (Mike Crutchlow)
8. 07:35 AM - Re: ELT Placement in a Model II (Marco Menezes)
9. 09:29 AM - Re: Kitfox IV For Sale (Firm)
10. 09:39 AM - Re: Re: Ethanol? (Guy Buchanan)
11. 12:11 PM - Re: Painting the inside of the cowl (Perkins, Mike)
12. 12:39 PM - Re: ELT Placement in a Model II (Mike Crutchlow)
13. 12:50 PM - Re: Painting the inside of the cowl (Mike Crutchlow)
14. 02:54 PM - Re: Ethanol? (dave)
15. 03:54 PM - Re: Ethanol? (kitfoxmike)
16. 06:40 PM - Re: Ethanol? (dave)
17. 07:43 PM - Re: Re: Ethanol? (Noel Loveys)
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> What are you folks doing with the two strokes where no unblended fuel is available?
Are you burning it anyway?
>
> Frank Miles
> K-III w/ 582
Frank, First off I am not an ethanol supporter. That being said I personally burn
over 1000 gallons annually in my 582 alone in my Kitfox. Plus many other planes
and 2 stroke and 4 stroke engines and I use ethanol gas. In Canada we have
been mandated to get ethanol in all gas except a few brands of Premium gas.
There is no use in spending more money on premium that I have found. I have used
gas 6 months old or older in my Kitfox with no issues. I have used ethanol
gas with NO issues. I keep hearing about all these nasty things with ethanol
gas like crabs corroding, engines screwing up and fiberglass tanks melting .
I have has NO ISSUES with any of this SO FAR.
I fly usually under 5000 ASL and occasionaly to 10,000 asl an NO ISSUES.
If anyone has had negative effects of ethanol gas please speak up. Once again I
am not an Ethanol gas but I have had no issues with it yet.
If my tanks start to leak from ethanol or any other way I will definaly buy some neww ones here http://wingtanks.com/. They Look like they are perfect. I was thinking of adding a pair of them to increase capacity but I think I will wait till winter or a wing revcovery.
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| Subject: | Re: VG's for Series-7 |
> A lot smoother takeoff and landing and greater climb rate.
>
> Good Luck
> Rich
>
Rick I have found that I can climb at a greater Angle of attack. Like i aid no
big gains to me but I have not taken them off yet. I am going to experiment
with them.
Here is a picture of mine http://www.cfisher.com/vg.html
Mine as well as placed at 10% 5.1 " as well. Also If i remember correctly I
did the first 3 feet of the wing from the tip inward with closer spacing.
I did mention that I lost buffeting on stall and that is something that could catch
a unwary pilot off guard. TO remedy this I could just remove a few feet
of VGs at the wing root . I never put them on top o windshield either but that
might help a bit as well for lift..
I would look at these as well http://stolspeed.com/ , they come with excellent 3M adhesive sheets and do not have the sharp edge like the harrison ones do.. They are easier to apply as well. I have never lost one yet with this adhesive tape. No Way I will glue hem on until I am 100% i want them to stay there.
Harriosn VGs i had in stock and used some for a cowl mod that dropped my temps
. Here are pics and story.
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| Subject: | Re: ELT Placement in a Model II |
My ELt in on floor on right side close to longeron. passenger's leg sits on top
of it an does not rub. Easy to get at. I think the regs call for an ELT to
be mounted to be able to withstand a certain shock like 10G force or something.
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Hey Gary, Old neighbour, glad to see you transitioned down under safely.
Dave
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Far from Ethanol. Far from gas. Very clean though. This is the fuel James
Bond's jet pack runs on.
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Donroutledge@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 10:00 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Ethanol?
Have you all read anything on Swift Enterprises? They have developed an
avgas that replaces 100ll at half the price. I don't know how to put their
link on here so just Google Swift enterprises and check it out. There was an
interview on AvWeb today that was pretty impressive. Don
In a message dated 5/29/2008 7:09:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
f.miles.tcp.833@clearwire.net writes:
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| Subject: | Kitfox IV For Sale |
Beautiful 1995 Kitfox IV for sale by Vic Loisel, 757-442-9209. A/C was
Sun-n-Fun show winner, Vic is second owner. Located on Virginia's
Eastern Shore. TT 325 hrs; Rotax 618, 175 since top; King 125 nav/com;
King KT76A transponder; Sigtronics Intercom; Garmin 92 GPS, hard wired;
Grove gear; 27g fuel; heater, vertical card compass, etc. NDH Included
with sale are: Full Lotus 1260 floats (a/c never on floats) and
unfinished rigging kit, tools, etc.; custom trailer; travel supports for
wings; 2 David Clark headsets (1 noise canceling). Vic decided he is to
old to fly anymore. Asking $24000. Contact Vic by phone or email
bakreek@verizon.net . He has pictures, etc.
Posted by Ron Smith
Kitfox IV w/ Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | ELT Placement in a Model II |
I had mine up there originally but it interfered with the wing folding.
I finally decided to do something about it and moved it down.
Mike
Model II 582
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marco
Menezes
Sent: May 29, 2008 6:38 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: ELT Placement in a Model II
Mine's on a triangular aluminum frame attached at 3 points by adel
clamps to structural tubing just behind the seat, shoulder high at the
midline. Peel the nylon cover up and there it is!
Mike Crutchlow <mcrutchlow@cogeco.ca> wrote:
Bryan,
I mounted mine under the passenger seat with the mounting base bolted to
the seat.
Mike Crutchlow
Model II 582
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bryan
Quinton
Sent: May 29, 2008 1:53 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: ELT Placement in a Model II
I am interested in information on the best way/place to mount an ELT in
a model II.
Thanks
Bryan
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| Subject: | ELT Placement in a Model II |
Mike: My mount must be different somehow. I've had no issues at all with wings
folding.
Mike Crutchlow <mcrutchlow@cogeco.ca> wrote: I had mine up there originally
but it interfered with the wing folding. I finally decided to do something about
it and moved it down.
Mike
Model II 582
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marco Menezes
Sent: May 29, 2008 6:38 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: ELT Placement in a Model II
Mine's on a triangular aluminum frame attached at 3 points by adel clamps to structural
tubing just behind the seat, shoulder high at the midline. Peel the nylon
cover up and there it is!
Mike Crutchlow <mcrutchlow@cogeco.ca> wrote: Bryan,
I mounted mine under the passenger seat with the mounting base bolted to the
seat.
Mike Crutchlow
Model II 582
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Quinton
Sent: May 29, 2008 1:53 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: ELT Placement in a Model II
I am interested in information on the best way/place to mount an ELT in a model
II.
Thanks
Bryan
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Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox IV For Sale |
Geez! That is a great deal!!! I wonder if he would take $500.00 down and $200.00
per month??!!!
Howard
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At 02:04 AM 5/30/2008, you wrote:
>If anyone has had negative effects of ethanol gas please speak up.
Last week I met an ultralight pilot who, in the last year,
had the liner of his fiberglass tank melt which cause sufficient
2-stroke engine interior coating to cause the engine to seize. (His
words.) The tank liner was a rubbery substance I have not seen
before. The pilot attributed the tank liner meltdown to alcohol in
the fuel, but had done no rigorous testing. He since switched to a
polyethylene tank and has had not further problems. It's all
anecdotal, none of it's proven, but you asked. . .
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Painting the inside of the cowl |
I've used a good epoxy primer inside fiberglass cowlings - they are
fuel-proof and have demonstrated survival at cowling temperatures. I
decided not to smooth the fiberglass weave by filling it with paint to
avoid adding weight. I've found it easy to clean them with a spray-on
cleaners and a little water rinse.
Mike Perkins
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| Subject: | ELT Placement in a Model II |
Marco, I know where you are talking about now. I have my wingtip strobes
power supply, intercom and 12 volt outlet there. My mount was above that
on a crosstube and the aileron mechanism would come into the centre and
interfere with the ELT.
Mike
Model II 582
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marco
Menezes
Sent: May 30, 2008 10:33 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: ELT Placement in a Model II
Mike: My mount must be different somehow. I've had no issues at all with
wings folding.
Mike Crutchlow <mcrutchlow@cogeco.ca> wrote:
I had mine up there originally but it now. interfered with the wing
folding. I finally decided to do something about it and moved it down.
Mike
Model II 582
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marco
Menezes
Sent: May 29, 2008 6:38 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: ELT Placement in a Model II
Mine's on a triangular aluminum frame attached at 3 points by adel
clamps to structural tubing just behind the seat, shoulder high at the
midline. Peel the nylon cover up and there it is!
Mike Crutchlow <mcrutchlow@cogeco.ca> wrote:
Bryan,
I mounted mine under the passenger seat with the mounting base bolted to
the seat.
Mike Crutchlow
Model II 582
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bryan
Quinton
Sent: May 29, 2008 1:53 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: ELT Placement in a Model II
I am interested in information on the best way/place to mount an ELT in
a
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| Subject: | Painting the inside of the cowl |
We've been using Spray-Bondo to fill and smooth light imperfections
prior to painting. It is a product similar to automotive body fill but
in a liquid spray able form. I doubt that it would completely fill the
fiberglas weave but it would help to smooth out the surface. There are
numerous references to these types of product by doing a Google search.
Mike Crutchlow
Model II 582
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perkins,
Mike
Sent: May 30, 2008 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Painting the inside of the cowl
I've used a good epoxy primer inside fiberglass cowlings - they are
fuel-proof and have demonstrated survival at cowling temperatures. I
decided not to smooth the fiberglass weave by filling it with paint to
avoid adding weight. I've found it easy to clean them with a spray-on
cleaners and a little water rinse.
Mike Perkins
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> Last week I met an ultralight pilot who, in the last year,
> had the liner of his fiberglass tank melt which cause sufficient
> 2-stroke engine interior coating to cause the engine to seize. (His
> words.) The tank liner was a rubbery substance I have not seen
> before. The pilot attributed the tank liner meltdown to alcohol in
> the fuel, but had done no rigorous testing. He since switched to a
> polyethylene tank and has had not further problems. It's all
> anecdotal, none of it's proven, but you asked. . .
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
Guy, thanks for thats info. Likely candidate the "sloshing " perhaps ?
I have no sloshing in mine .
Great to hear real life stories. thanks
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My tanks are from different time periods, the right one from 95, the left one from
about 3 years ago. Now before I get to far into this, my aircraft has flown
on alki for quit some time now. I fly every day 360 a year, with exceptions
of bad weather. So that means winter gas has the alki for me. I'm in Washington
state so now it means alki year round.
Anyway, my right tank inside has the white coating in the tank, there hasn't been
any trouble at all, now let me add that when I fill my tanks, with an offroad
tank. The hose has rubbed off the white stuff in spots, still the tank is
holding up. The left tank, has no coating inside, straight from skystar, was
told at the time I didn't need to do anything with the tank, just install. I
put auto fuel injection line in place of all rubber hoses. I check my tanks
all the time, and once in a while I will get a couple spots of water, but other
than that none. I also pull the carb bowls on every oil change, again all is
well, no water.
right now the only objection I have is a slightly higher burn rate and a bunch
of muck under the aircraft from the exhaust.
Engine 912 ul 80
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> right now the only objection I have is a slightly higher burn rate and a bunch
of muck under the aircraft from the exhaust
Yup less power from ethanol Mike. you need more throttle for same power and speed.
how much? I not sure but I would guess it would be about the same as the
% age of ethanol
eg. 10& ethanol might use 10% more fuel.
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Hi Dave:
Just to add a word in here.
Our engines don't require high octane fuel but I'm sure it doesn't hurt.
While I dispute as to whether or not the ethanol itself is clean fuel one
thing is for sure the occasional tank of ethanol laced fuel will clean the
scuppers out of your engine (muck on the bottom) and reduce the need for
decarbonising. All that with probably slightly lower EGTs. Also because
the ethanol has an RON of 116 and your engine will probably run smoother, I
would expect that in a way, would help increase the power you get out of it.
I'd expect maybe a 5% reduction in power @ WOT if that much. That is
however not without cost. Your fuel consumption will be anywhere from 7 -
10% higher so plan on that for those long trips.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dave
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 11:08 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Ethanol?
> right now the only objection I have is a slightly higher burn rate and a
bunch of muck under the aircraft from the exhaust
Yup less power from ethanol Mike. you need more throttle for same power and
speed. how much? I not sure but I would guess it would be about the same as
the % age of ethanol
eg. 10& ethanol might use 10% more fuel.
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