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1. 03:08 AM - Re: Kitfox Suber EA81 (2nd message) (dave)
2. 05:14 AM - Re: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA (Glenn Horne)
3. 05:18 AM - Re: Much foward stick on climbout (Southern Skies)
4. 05:40 AM - Emailing: Festival of Flight (Glenn Horne)
5. 06:00 AM - Re: Re: Much foward stick on climbout (paul wilson)
6. 06:10 AM - Re: Much foward stick on climbout (Tom Jones)
7. 06:37 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox Suber EA81 (2nd message) (Marco Menezes)
8. 06:57 AM - Re: Kitfox Suber EA81 (2nd message) (Tom Jones)
9. 07:14 AM - Re: Trailing edge material ()
10. 07:20 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox Suber EA81 (2nd message) ()
11. 07:28 AM - Re: Kitfox Suber EA81 (2nd message) (wingnut)
12. 07:36 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox Suber EA81 (2nd message) (Peter Graichen)
13. 07:48 AM - Supercub Crash (n85ae)
14. 07:49 AM - Re: Kitfox Suber EA81 (2nd message) (Firm)
15. 08:06 AM - Re: Supercub Crash (Firm)
16. 08:08 AM - Re: Supercub Crash (n85ae)
17. 08:10 AM - Re: Re: Much foward stick on climbout (Guy Buchanan)
18. 08:39 AM - Re: Flying Without Doors (W Duke)
19. 10:17 AM - Re: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA (patrick reilly)
20. 12:05 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox Suber EA81 (2nd message) (lkc@juno.com)
21. 12:39 PM - Re: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA (Glenn Horne)
22. 12:54 PM - Re: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA (patrick reilly)
23. 01:06 PM - Re: High CHT (Noel Loveys)
24. 02:25 PM - Re: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA (Lynn Matteson)
25. 03:02 PM - Re: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA (Rueb, Duane)
26. 04:21 PM - Re: Emailing: Festival of Flight (Michael Logan)
27. 04:29 PM - Re: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA (Michael Logan)
28. 04:33 PM - aerocet 1100 amphib rigging (vetdrem)
29. 11:25 PM - Engine and Performance Survey (John Allen)
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Suber EA81 (2nd message) |
> Best of all it sounds like an airplane engine not a lawn mower like the
> rotax
>
>
> --
Great reasoning for a choice of engine. ??
I don't think mine sounds like a lawnmower? heck my lawnmower for my runways is
diesel tractor :)
I have flown many engines, Rotax are the choice for reliability and best hp /weight.
Cost effectiveness? JAbs are about the same pricing when all said and done.
Suberus. are very heavy but some of the higher output do have good performance
but come with weight.
Alot will depend on what you want - ie a cruising machine solo use only or a higher
performance real STOL like performance and/or float operations. The later
would be more like a Suberu or Jab. the Latter would be more suited for the
higher HP /weight Rotax.
Here is a 582 powered Rotax Kitfox IV http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer
I surely do hold bragging rights for some of the performance here on this model.
To separate the fact from fiction I would like to see the Suberu and Jabiru
owners do the same. Armchair captains can type what they want but I like to see
it for real.
For reference 's sake my 582 has 470 trouble free hours in the last 2 years on
this engine and never been apart . This is my 3 rd engine in this Kitfox. That
being said this engine might be on borrowed time and certainly could blow up
at anytime. some will tell you that they stop without notice. That is my disclaimer
:)
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Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA |
You can be sure things will be happing there this week in. Its my local
airport and
I'm helping out, so all come on down. Will be a good week in.
GLENN HORNE
Kitfox Model II
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Logan" <michael.logan@cox.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 9:09 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA
>
> Gordon Campbell is heading up the Festival of Flight at Suffolk so I am
> not
> sure anything will be happening there this weekend. He might have
> everything up and running the following weekend.
>
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 10:25 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA
>
>
> I'm planning on the weekend at Suffolk, then the Wright Bros
> Memorial, then a visit to Fayetteville, NC, then home...almost a
> duplicate of what you guys did last year that I got screwed out of
> because of the flu or something. I was also thinking of Campbell
> Field, too, but not sure if that will fit in, except for a quick hop
> over and back. I've been watching the Weather Channel, and it doesn't
> look great, but it might work out.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster
> Jabiru 2200
> Status: flying w/528 hrs
>
>
> On Jun 10, 2008, at 8:41 PM, Sbennett3@aol.com wrote:
>
>> Lynn, I was looking for a place to go this weekend. Thanks for the
>> suggestion. Are you just flying in for the day or staying the
>> weekend? Not as far for me, It's only 134 miles for me.
>> Virginia Regional Festival Of Flight Steve Bennett Durham NC.
>> Classic 4-1200 912ul.
>>
>>
>>
>> Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008.
>> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _-
>> www.matronics.com/contribution _-
>> ===========================================================
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Much foward stick on climbout |
Hello Listers,
I could use some advice regarding elevator and/or engine mount "trim".
While being pretty new to the Kitfox (1 year, 38 hrs experience) I enjoy the plane
very much after learning the rudder pedal dance. I am wondering if something
can be adjusted on the elevator or the engine mount.
During full power climb out I have to push that stick way forward to maintain even
55 mph airspeed. Once levelled to cruise I still need to push forward (or
pull up on the flap handle about half way).
Would a little more down thrust (shim the engine mount on the top) help? What about
adjusting the elevator- I have plenty of up or down travel available - never
run out while flying or landing.
Once the power is cut, I have to pull back a good bit to maintain 50 on approach
or for glide- manual says that part is normal.
All of this may be perfectly normal but I wanted to check with the experienced
KF flyers.
My Kitfox was bought after a ground loop by the previous owner and there were some
repairs made. Maybe something didn't get rigged correctly?
I use a very long 2 blade wooden climb prop due to a very short field. Climbs
great but very low cruise speed- around 70.
Any comments would be appreciated, on or off line
Chris Bowles
KF 3 N727PD
Rotax 582
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| Subject: | Emailing: Festival of Flight |
Here is the flyer for Festival of Flight at Suffolk Va this week in.
No Gordon Campbell involved.
Glenn Horne
Suffolk, Va
The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link
attachments:
Festival of Flight
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| Subject: | Re: Much foward stick on climbout |
One of the Skystar tips way back when was to have multiple holes in
the front elevator attachment in order to fine tune the elevator
angle to deal with the issue you have..
Paul
==================
At 06:16 AM 6/12/2008, you wrote:
>
>Hello Listers,
>
>I could use some advice regarding elevator and/or engine mount "trim".
>
>While being pretty new to the Kitfox (1 year, 38 hrs experience) I
>enjoy the plane very much after learning the rudder pedal dance. I
>am wondering if something can be adjusted on the elevator or the engine mount.
>
>During full power climb out I have to push that stick way forward to
>maintain even 55 mph airspeed. Once levelled to cruise I still need
>to push forward (or pull up on the flap handle about half way).
>
>Would a little more down thrust (shim the engine mount on the top)
>help? What about adjusting the elevator- I have plenty of up or down
>travel available - never run out while flying or landing.
>
>Once the power is cut, I have to pull back a good bit to maintain 50
>on approach or for glide- manual says that part is normal.
>
>All of this may be perfectly normal but I wanted to check with the
>experienced KF flyers.
>
>My Kitfox was bought after a ground loop by the previous owner and
>there were some repairs made. Maybe something didn't get rigged correctly?
>
>I use a very long 2 blade wooden climb prop due to a very short
>field. Climbs great but very low cruise speed- around 70.
>
>Any comments would be appreciated, on or off line
>
>Chris Bowles
>KF 3 N727PD
>Rotax 582
>
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| Subject: | Re: Much foward stick on climbout |
> During full power climb out I have to push that stick way forward to maintain
even 55 mph airspeed. Once levelled to cruise I still need to push forward (or
pull up on the flap handle about half way).
Chris,
Definitely not normal to have to push stick to climb. Some questions come to mind
real quick:
Where is the leading edge of the horizontal stab mounted? Most are as high as
they can get it?
Where is the center of gravity when you fly?
Can you measure the thrust line of the engine compared to the wing?
For what it's worth. My classic four climbs at 60 mph hands off with full power,
6200 rpm, CG 12.5 inches, 72 inch warp prop.
Just a tiny bit...about 1/2 inch up flap handle... to trim hands off level at 5800
rpm.
CG limits are 10.2 to 16 inches so this example is with CG nearer the foreword
limit.
Leading edge of horizontal stab is in the middle hole. As near as I can measure
engine thrust line is about 1 or 2 degrees down compared to the bottom of the
wing root rib. Don't quote me on the thrust line as my measuring method was
crude.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Suber EA81 (2nd message) |
LAWNMOWER??!!! Please. My Rotax sounds like a chainsaw. A big, friggin, macho,
lumberjacking chainsaw. Just kidding. In reality, it sounds like a flying snowmobile.
;-)
do not archive
kirk hull <kirkhull@kc.rr.com> wrote:
Ok here is a testimonial for Subaru. It is a great engine. It is a little
heaver then a rotax but it is also much more reliable and cheaper. I have a
100hp stratus conversion on a classic 4 with over 150 trouble free hours on
it now. We did have 1 small issue caused by a 3rd party shop in the first
10 hours but stratus fixed the issue right away and we have had no issues
since. 205AK has gone from Kansas city to Oshkosh and all over Kansas
almost to Colorado and climbed to 10000 ft with no problems. It starts on
the first bump even in the winter and with a heater core in the cabin AK was
one of the few airplanes flying all year (even night flights in January at 0
deg). Pictures of the engine can be found on my EAA website at
WWW.roosterville612.org on the member projects page /al and kirks Kitfox.
Best of all it sounds like an airplane engine not a lawn mower like the
rotax
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of WurlyBird
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 7:15 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox Suber EA81 (2nd message)
To the two of you who are flying EA81s, how do you like them? I am
considering one as an option for my plane and it is hard to find
testimonials for some reason. Thanks for the help.
--------
Prospective Kitfox buyer
Here for information on airframes and engines
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Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Suber EA81 (2nd message) |
> LAWNMOWER??!!! Please. My Rotax sounds like a chainsaw. A big, friggin, macho,
lumberjacking chainsaw. Just kidding. In reality, it sounds like a flying snowmobile.
My Kitfox has been referred to as a "Weed wacker". Doesn't bother me a bit. I
smile all time when I'm flying it.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Trailing edge material |
What mess? That looks like an operating room!
do not archive
On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:26:40 +0000, Jim_and_Lucy Chuk <thesupe@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Picture is worth a thousand words.... Is this what you are asking about?
> (yellow foam on back of vert. stab) Jim Chuk Avids, Kitfox 4 MnPS
> don't mind the mess in the garage!!> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 11:33:40
> -0400> From: l.morris@tx.rr.com> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> Subject:
> Re: Kitfox-List: Trailing edge material> > --> Kitfox-List message posted
> by: <l.morris@tx.rr.com>> > Lynn, it was foam material wraped and labeled
> and in one of the boxes.It wasn,t listed on any of the parts list. Leon
> Morris> ---- Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote: > > --> Kitfox-List
> message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>> > > > Leon-> > What
> does the material look like? I searched my Parts List and > > Packing
> Lists and could not find that number.> > > > Lynn Matteson> > Kitfox IV
> Speedster> > Jabiru 2200> > Status: flying w/528 hrs> > > > > > > > > > On
> Jun 10, 2008, at 12:43 PM, <l.morris@tx.rr.com> wrote:> > > > > -->
> thru some parts boxes and came across a package > > > labeled 'trailing
> edge material ,vertical stab' part # 11078.201. > > > Having already done
> that area,I went back to find out where it > > > went. I could'nt find
> that part # on the inventory list so I'm > > > assuming that isn't used on
> the speedster model andthe factory > > > forgot to remove it from the kit.
> Could someone confirm this? Leon > > > Morris/Classic 4 Sptr/65%/Flower
> Mound,TX> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > >-==========================>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Suber EA81 (2nd message) |
My internet has been out for a few days so I'm using the library machine. The
soob is a good engine, but a bit heavy for anything other than a series 5 on up.
Deke
S5/NSI/CAP
On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:14:50 -0700, "WurlyBird" <james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>
wrote:
> <james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>
>
> To the two of you who are flying EA81s, how do you like them? I am
> considering one as an option for my plane and it is hard to find
> testimonials for some reason. Thanks for the help.
>
> --------
> Prospective Kitfox buyer
> Here for information on airframes and engines
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187466#187466
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Suber EA81 (2nd message) |
> I have a 100hp stratus conversion on a classic 4 with over 150 trouble free hours
on it now. We did have 1 small issue caused by a 3rd party shop in the first
10 hours but stratus fixed the issue right away and we have had no issues
since.
That's 100% more issues than I've had with my 912 and it's been from coast to coast
twice. If your "one issue" resulted in an in-flight engine failure then I'd
bet that, for a little while, you would have given real money for the sound
of a lawnmower up front :-).
Seriously though, you can't make general statements about reliability from a test
case of 1. You have to look at averages taken over many examples and lots of
time. The real problem with the Subs and the like is that, compared to the Rotax,
there just aren't enough of them flying to gather real statistics. Also,
since there's allot of custom work involved, the reliability of one engine doesn't
necessarily translate to the another. You needn't look any further than
that one 'third party' issue you had. With a Rotax, there generally aren't any
third parties involved so that eliminates one source of potential problems.
--------
Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Suber EA81 (2nd message) |
Hello Mike:
About 800. All it really needed at that time was a valve job. But since the
engine was on the bench, I had Ron do a complete overhaul.
Peter Graichen
http:/home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Logan
Sent: Wednesday, 11 June, 2008 21:15
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox Suber EA81 (2nd message)
--> <michael.logan@cox.net>
Peter,
How many hours did you have on that engine before you had it rebuilt by Ron
at RAM Performance?
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Checked by AVG.
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Checked by AVG.
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I saw that this Supercub had crashed, not Kitfox but similar to
what a lot of people do.
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id 080611X00838&key=1
And the guys online web pics.
http://shaunlunt.typepad.com/shootings/travel/index.html
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Suber EA81 (2nd message) |
That is an extremely good point. A lot of different soobs out there.
Howard
wingnut wrote:
>
> > I have a 100hp stratus conversion on a classic 4 with over 150 trouble free
hours on it now. We did have 1 small issue caused by a 3rd party shop in the
first 10 hours but stratus fixed the issue right away and we have had no issues
since.
>
>
> That's 100% more issues than I've had with my 912 and it's been from coast to
coast twice. If your "one issue" resulted in an in-flight engine failure then
I'd bet that, for a little while, you would have given real money for the sound
of a lawnmower up front :-).
>
> Seriously though, you can't make general statements about reliability from a
test case of 1. You have to look at averages taken over many examples and lots
of time. The real problem with the Subs and the like is that, compared to the
Rotax, there just aren't enough of them flying to gather real statistics. Also,
since there's allot of custom work involved, the reliability of one engine
doesn't necessarily translate to the another. You needn't look any further than
that one 'third party' issue you had. With a Rotax, there generally aren't any
third parties involved so that eliminates one source of potential problems.
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| Subject: | Re: Supercub Crash |
What a beautiful bunch of pictures on his website...That is very sad, such a fatal
mistake that any one of us could do. Always be alert!
Howard
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| Subject: | Re: Supercub Crash |
The main page is here, a ton of really nice pics.
http://shaunlunt.typepad.com
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| Subject: | Re: Much foward stick on climbout |
At 05:16 AM 6/12/2008, you wrote:
>During full power climb out I have to push that stick way forward to
>maintain even 55 mph airspeed. Once levelled to cruise I still need
>to push forward (or pull up on the flap handle about half way).
This part is not normal. My stick forces change very little between
climb and cruise.
>Would a little more down thrust (shim the engine mount on the top)
>help? What about adjusting the elevator- I have plenty of up or down
>travel available - never run out while flying or landing.
I would check the thrust vector and shim it to 0 vertically. I like
the performance and diminished thrust trim response that gives. I
would check your decalage. (Angle between wing and horizontal stab.)
I minimized mine by raising the horizontal leading edge as much as possible.
>Once the power is cut, I have to pull back a good bit to maintain 50
>on approach or for glide- manual says that part is normal.
This is normal.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Without Doors |
80kts doors open is OK in an S6. Got my attention diverted once though
and probably did 90 kts. Left door fluttered up and down a bit.
Small crack in the bubble door which I had not previously noticed. 70-75
kts is more comfortable for me. With door off and straight flight
I think you could probably pull typical cruise power without a problem.
I have not really flown enough doors off to comment.
Maxwell Duke
S6/TD/IO240
Dublin, GA
--- On Wed, 6/11/08, Jim Bell <jim@franchise-u.com> wrote:
From: Jim Bell <jim@franchise-u.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Flying Without Doors
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Has anyone flown much without doors? I have been thinking about taking doors
off for summer
But wondering how a Series 5 would handle. I know you can fly under 80 mph with
dors open
But what about above that speed?
Checked by AVG.
6/11/2008 8:32 AM
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| Subject: | Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA |
Glenn, I towed the Kitfox to the airport (12 miles ) with the towbar bolted
together with 1/4" steel gusset plates each side of the 2 piece towbar., N
o problem. The towbar will remain a 2 piece breakdown towbar .Thanks again.
Do Not Archive
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:10:50 -0400> From: glennflys@verizo
n.net> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA> To: kitfo
lennflys@verizon.net>> > You can be sure things will be happing there this
week in. Its my local > airport and> I'm helping out, so all come on down.
Will be a good week in.> GLENN HORNE> Kitfox Model II> ----- Original Messa
ge ----- > From: "Michael Logan" <michael.logan@cox.net>> To: <kitfox-list@
matronics.com>> Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 9:09 PM> Subject: RE: Kitfox
-List: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA> > > > --> Kitfox-List message poste
d by: "Michael Logan" <michael.logan@cox.net>> >> > Gordon Campbell is head
ing up the Festival of Flight at Suffolk so I am > > not> > sure anything w
ill be happening there this weekend. He might have> > everything up and run
ning the following weekend.> >> > Mike> >> > -----Original Message-----> >
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com> > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-s
erver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson> > Sent: Tuesday, June 10,
2008 10:25 PM> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:
ynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>> >> > I'm planning on the weekend at Suffol
k, then the Wright Bros> > Memorial, then a visit to Fayetteville, NC, then
home...almost a> > duplicate of what you guys did last year that I got scr
ewed out of> > because of the flu or something. I was also thinking of Camp
bell> > Field, too, but not sure if that will fit in, except for a quick ho
p> > over and back. I've been watching the Weather Channel, and it doesn't>
> look great, but it might work out.> >> > Lynn Matteson> > Kitfox IV Spee
dster> > Jabiru 2200> > Status: flying w/528 hrs> >> >> >> >> > On Jun 10,
2008, at 8:41 PM, Sbennett3@aol.com wrote:> >> >> Lynn, I was looking for a
place to go this weekend. Thanks for the> >> suggestion. Are you just flyi
ng in for the day or staying the> >> weekend? Not as far for me, It's only
134 miles for me.> >> Virginia Regional Festival Of Flight Steve Bennett Du
rham NC.> >> Classic 4-1200 912ul.> >>> >>> >>> >> Vote for your city's bes
t dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008.> >> www.matronics.com/Navigator?K
itfox-List _-> >> www.matronics.com/contribution _-> >> ======
=================> > >
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Suber EA81 (2nd message) |
I also fly a EA81 in my series5 and am quite happy. I'm not a mechanic
and am just learning to fly but the few problems I had were remedies by
helpful matronics suggestions. I climb out @ 800-1000 FPM, cruse @ 95-1
00 MPH, 4.5 GPH- 5GPH ( when flying @ 105MPH). Engine starts first time
everytime with little upkeep. Layne Anchorage, Ak
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| Subject: | Re: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA |
Dam Pat,
Glad to hear that. That great.
You coming to our State fly-in this week in?
Going to be nice. Pilots from all over the State of Virginia will be
there.
Wish you could make it.
Glenn
Kitfox Model II
----- Original Message -----
From: patrick reilly
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 1:13 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA
Glenn, I towed the Kitfox to the airport (12 miles ) with the towbar
bolted together with 1/4" steel gusset plates each side of the 2 piece
towbar., No problem. The towbar will remain a 2 piece breakdown towbar
.Thanks again. Do Not Archive
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:10:50 -0400
> From: glennflys@verizon.net
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>
<glennflys@verizon.net>
>
> You can be sure things will be happing there this week in. Its my
local
> airport and
> I'm helping out, so all come on down. Will be a good week in.
> GLENN HORNE
> Kitfox Model II
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Logan" <michael.logan@cox.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 9:09 PM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA
>
>
<michael.logan@cox.net>
> >
> > Gordon Campbell is heading up the Festival of Flight at Suffolk so
I am
> > not
> > sure anything will be happening there this weekend. He might have
> > everything up and running the following weekend.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn
Matteson
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 10:25 PM
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA
> >
<lynnmatt@jps.net>
> >
> > I'm planning on the weekend at Suffolk, then the Wright Bros
> > Memorial, then a visit to Fayetteville, NC, then home...almost a
> > duplicate of what you guys did last year that I got screwed out of
> > because of the flu or something. I was also thinking of Campbell
> > Field, too, but not sure if that will fit in, except for a quick
hop
> > over and back. I've been watching the Weather Channel, and it
doesn't
> > look great, but it might work out.
> >
> > Lynn Matteson
> > Kitfox IV Speedster
> > Jabiru 2200
> > Status: flying w/528 hrs
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jun 10, 2008, at 8:41 PM, Sbennett3@aol.com wrote:
> >
> >> Lynn, I was looking for a place to go this weekend. Thanks for
the
> >> suggestion. Are you just flying in for the day or staying the
> >> weekend? Not as far for me, It's only 134 miles for me.
> >> Virginia Regional Festival Of Flight Steve Bennett Durham NC.
> >> Classic 4-1200 912ul.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008.
> >> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _-
> >> www.matronics.com/contribution _-
> >> =========
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>
>
>
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| Subject: | Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA |
Glenn, No, I don't have a plane that flys or even a license yet. But, by Go
d I have 2 airplanes.
Pat Reilly
: Kitfox-List: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VATo: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Dam Pat,
Glad to hear that. That great.
You coming to our State fly-in this week in?
Going to be nice. Pilots from all over the State of Virginia will be there.
Wish you could make it.
GlennKitfox Model II
----- Original Message -----
From: patrick reilly
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 1:13 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA
Glenn, I towed the Kitfox to the airport (12 miles ) with the towbar bolted
together with 1/4" steel gusset plates each side of the 2 piece towbar., N
o problem. The towbar will remain a 2 piece breakdown towbar .Thanks again.
Do Not Archive Pat ReillyMod 3 582 RebuildRockford, IL> Date: Thu, 12 J
un 2008 08:10:50 -0400> From: glennflys@verizon.net> Subject: Re: Kitfox-Li
st: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> > --> K
itfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@verizon.net>> > You
can be sure things will be happing there this week in. Its my local > airpo
rt and> I'm helping out, so all come on down. Will be a good week in.> GLEN
N HORNE> Kitfox Model II> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Log
an" <michael.logan@cox.net>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>> Sent: Wednesd
ay, June 11, 2008 9:09 PM> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Festival of Flight, Su
l.logan@cox.net>> >> > Gordon Campbell is heading up the Festival of Flight
at Suffolk so I am > > not> > sure anything will be happening there this w
eekend. He might have> > everything up and running the following weekend.>
>> > Mike> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: owner-kitfox-list-serve
r@matronics.com> > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behal
f Of Lynn Matteson> > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 10:25 PM> > To: kitfox-l
ist@matronics.com> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Festival of Flight, Suffolk,
t>> >> > I'm planning on the weekend at Suffolk, then the Wright Bros> > Me
morial, then a visit to Fayetteville, NC, then home...almost a> > duplicate
of what you guys did last year that I got screwed out of> > because of the
flu or something. I was also thinking of Campbell> > Field, too, but not s
ure if that will fit in, except for a quick hop> > over and back. I've been
watching the Weather Channel, and it doesn't> > look great, but it might w
ork out.> >> > Lynn Matteson> > Kitfox IV Speedster> > Jabiru 2200> > Statu
s: flying w/528 hrs> >> >> >> >> > On Jun 10, 2008, at 8:41 PM, Sbennett3@a
ol.com wrote:> >> >> Lynn, I was looking for a place to go this weekend. Th
anks for the> >> suggestion. Are you just flying in for the day or staying
the> >> weekend? Not as far for me, It's only 134 miles for me.> >> Virgini
a Regional Festival Of Flight Steve Bennett Durham NC.> >> Classic 4-1200 9
12ul.> >>> >>> >>> >> Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City'
s Best 2008.> >> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _-> >> www.matroni
cs.com/contribution _-> >> ==========> >> >> >> >> >> >
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Did you do regular levelling offs during your climb to let your engine get a
bit of cool air and a rest from the strain of climbing? While climbing
there is not as much air entering the cowl and what does get in is slightly
deflected wh9ich can cause a bit of overheating.
Noel Loveys
AME Intern, RPP
Kitfox III-A, 582,B box
Ivo IFA, Aerocet 1100 floats
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
frank.phyllis@mindspring.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 11:23 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: High CHT
I was on an extended cross country and had a problem with high CHT.
During a climb to 8,500' (from 2,000 AGL) I noted the oil temp
climbing--got to 127C. Normally it doesn't get that high. I dropped
the nose for better cooling and reduced power a little and it began to
recede. Just before leveling off at 8,500 I noticed the CHT was near
limit--130C (preoccupied with oil temp). I further reduced power and
increased airspeed. CHT began to recede. After leveling off & bringing
power back the CHT went to limit. I chased the CHT with reduced power
settings & increased airspeed. Sufficient power reduction to sustain
level flight was not possible and I ultimately had to make a
precautionary landing.
Any ideas about what might have caused the high CHT?
Frank McD N5929
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| Subject: | Re: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA |
Well, the trip to VA is off, but I did get my prop glued back
together and flew it today, so I don't have to wait the 10 or 15
weeks to get a replacement prop. I'm still thinking of the Prince P-
Tip, and since they are less than an hour from me, I'll have to bop
on down there and look the place over and get more info on them.
Sure nice to have the ease of repair that a wooden prop allows, and
the blessing of the FAA (being the builder of the plane) in being
able to do these repairs...I feel sorry for the spam can guys who
would have to do the wait, worry, and pay, before flying again.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying w/528 hrs
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| Subject: | Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA |
Lynners:
What the H. happened to your prop? Did it come un-glued? Wow that is big medicine
to have to fix a prop!
Duanesky
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA
Well, the trip to VA is off, but I did get my prop glued back
together and flew it today, so I don't have to wait the 10 or 15
weeks to get a replacement prop. I'm still thinking of the Prince P-
Tip, and since they are less than an hour from me, I'll have to bop
on down there and look the place over and get more info on them.
Sure nice to have the ease of repair that a wooden prop allows, and
the blessing of the FAA (being the builder of the plane) in being
able to do these repairs...I feel sorry for the spam can guys who
would have to do the wait, worry, and pay, before flying again.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying w/528 hrs
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| Subject: | Emailing: Festival of Flight |
Gordon Campbell is the council president and is managing the Festival of
Flight along with the wonderful Judy Sparks, that is why on the website for
Soup On Sunday at 9VG (Campbell Field) the Soup On Sunday is canceled for
this weekend.
http://www.campbellfieldairport.com/
Mike
_____
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Horne
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 8:37 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Emailing: Festival of Flight
Here is the flyer for Festival of Flight at Suffolk Va this week in.
No Gordon Campbell involved.
Glenn Horne
Suffolk, Va
Festival of Flight
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| Subject: | Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA |
Lynn,
My wife built a Pulsar with a 912 and we put a GSC ground adjustable prop on
it. A real good friend built the same plane but with the Prince P-Tip prop.
He and I flew down to Sun-n-Fun about six years ago and he would accelerate
away from me on the runway and also fly faster at top end. The only
difference was the prop, except that he is about 40 pounds heavier than I am
which should make it work out the other way. Both planes were within 10
pounds of each other.
Mike Logan
Series 5
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Festival of Flight, Suffolk, VA
Well, the trip to VA is off, but I did get my prop glued back
together and flew it today, so I don't have to wait the 10 or 15
weeks to get a replacement prop. I'm still thinking of the Prince P-
Tip, and since they are less than an hour from me, I'll have to bop
on down there and look the place over and get more info on them.
Sure nice to have the ease of repair that a wooden prop allows, and
the blessing of the FAA (being the builder of the plane) in being
able to do these repairs...I feel sorry for the spam can guys who
would have to do the wait, worry, and pay, before flying again.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying w/528 hrs
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| Subject: | aerocet 1100 amphib rigging |
I bought a set of aerocet 1100 amphib floats, and am workinjg on the rigging before
I actually try to install them. I have gone through all the instructions
and set everything up like they said to. I built a platform to mount the johnson
bar, double pully, etc. With everything hooked up, I can cycle the gear
up and down, and I think that I finally got all the timing correct.
My question is, about how much force is normally required to retract the gear?
I have no idea what to expect, so I am concerned that I have something wrong,
and may brake something.
If you fly aerocet 1100 amphibs, could you guess how many pounds of pull is required
to do the retract.
Thanks,
Louie
191GW
model 3 912ul
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Engine and Performance Survey |
Whurlybird asks:
"What engine do you have mounted in what model Kitfox and how does your performance
stack up? Looking for GPH, cruise, climb, overall impression, the sorts
of things you would tell your friend if he was talking about buying the same engine."
Following are comments on my experience with the Rotax 912 UL, pros and cons.
Hope this helps. Would like to see similar comments from users of other types.
Model IV Speedster came with a Rotax 912 UL, with 500 hrs, has over 900 hrs on
it now. It is compact and light, supposedly weighs 132# with exhaust.
It uses motorcycle oil in a dry sump, requiring it to be pulled through a certain
way before startup to purge the cylinders and special knowledge and care in
changing the oil to get it all out. If overfilled, will puke out the extra.
Has an oil filter. It is clean, leaks no oil, consumes no oil, keeps the same
level from oil change to oil change. Has coolant, calls for a special waterless
kind but I use water and antifreeze. Leaked a little for a while at one
time.
It burns 87 Octane car gas. Alcohol is not a problem but it does not like lead,
if burning 100LL, needs an additive. Has dual electronic ignition. Spark plugs
are readily available and cheap, costing less than 1/10th the cost of aircraft
plugs.
It has 2 carbs that must be synchronized but are altitude-compensating and usually
shake out carb ice. It beat up one air cleaner against the firewall when
they were mounted on the carbs and drew in air warmed by the exhaust. Now has
the carb heat box on it with a big air cleaner up front. It has an enrichner
"choke" that must be adjusted correctly and used a certain way on most, but not
all, cold starts.
It fires up instantly and smoothly, with instant oil pressure, but must be operated
above 1800 RPM to avoid damage to the gearbox. This can give thrust on landing
without an adjustable prop. It does not overheat (with an Ivoprop). It
runs smoothly and quietly, seems to have plenty of torque and power. It has
been extremely reliable and comforting over lots of wild country.
Has a wide cruise range. Can putt along at estimated 2 to 2 1/2 GPH, 65 MPH doors
open or 75 doors shut. Have not measured it exactly because do not fly it
with full fuel when putting around, but can get 5 hours out of 12 gallons with
some left. Don't want much fuel in it when folding the wings.
Experimenting with economy cruise, 4000 RPM 90 MPH, have not determined fuel burn.
Cruise for going places is 5000 RPM, 117 MPH, up to 5 GPH, about 20 MPG,
plan on 300 miles, but can go 400 with a good hour's reserve. If bumpy, have to
slow below 113. Plane lacks gas cap fairings and strut fairings, has 6.00 x
6 tires, no wheel pants.
Vapor locked one time I think, would not hot start after awaiting customs clearance
after a long flight. Had a broken exhaust once before I got it. Has a weak
alternator, need to economize on the electrical load and be sure battery is
up to 14 volts before shutdown. Battery needs some charge to excite alternator.
Can be hand propped, but is dangerous as it starts up so fast. Prop must not be
turned backwards.
Has instant throttle response, which can be a problem for the inexperienced on
takeoff. Has a vernier for small adjustments. With springs, throttle defaults
to full power when the linkage breaks, which it did on me once. This is a good
thing, unless you are taxiing through a crowd at an airshow. Be sure to have
good brakes.
It requires special knowledge to operate and service. The owner/operator must
obtain the knowledge. I do not think many A & P's are savvy to it yet. Lockwood
has a DVD and classes.
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