---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 06/14/08: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:11 AM - Re: Painted Prop Tips vrs Prop Balance (Lynn Matteson) 2. 03:16 AM - Re: Much foward stick on climbout (dave) 3. 03:29 AM - Re: aerocet 1100 amphib rigging (dave) 4. 03:48 AM - Re: Much foward stick on climbout (Catz631@aol.com) 5. 03:58 AM - Re: Re: Much foward stick on climbout (Catz631@aol.com) 6. 05:44 AM - Re: aerocet 1100 amphib rigging (vetdrem) 7. 06:12 AM - Re: Re: Much foward stick on climbout (steve shinabery) 8. 07:41 AM - structeral epoxy questions (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk) 9. 08:41 AM - Re: structural epoxy questions (Ted Palamarek) 10. 08:47 AM - Re: aerocet 1100 amphib rigging (dave) 11. 10:42 AM - Re: structeral epoxy questions (Lynn Matteson) 12. 11:24 AM - BRS and 2 strokes - Was Much foward stick on climbout (Marco Menezes) 13. 11:54 AM - Connecticut Post Online: student-made plane soars (msm_9949@yahoo.com) 14. 04:04 PM - Re: New Kitfox fourm available OT (Noel Loveys) 15. 04:06 PM - Re: New Kitfox fourm available (Noel Loveys) 16. 04:50 PM - Re: Re: Painted Prop Tips vrs Prop Balance (Noel Loveys) 17. 04:55 PM - Re: Re: Much foward stick on climbout (Noel Loveys) 18. 06:57 PM - Re: BRS and 2 strokes - Was Much foward stick on climbout (Michael Gibbs) 19. 07:03 PM - Re: structeral epoxy questions (Tom Jones) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:11:32 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Painted Prop Tips vrs Prop Balance I've got a clear-coated wood prop and when I land with the sun low and behind me, it's a bitch to see through that reflective prop circle. I've thought about painting the backside black, but have hesitated because of the necessity of balance afterward....it's one thing to touch up the tips as I just did, but painting the whole prop, even just the backside would almost certainly call for a balance job. I've done model airplane props, and if you paint one tip, it will swing radically to one side (of the balance jig) until dry, then it will swing less actively. This is to say the dried paint weighs less, but you all knew that. I've done balancing on several large fan blades, but haven't tried a prop like mine yet. I guess I'll have to rig up a larger jig and check my prop now that it looks like the "chunk" is liable to stay on. Besides, I need to earn my Airplane Propellor-Balancing Merit Badge. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200 Status: flying w/528 hrs On Jun 14, 2008, at 1:05 AM, Guy Buchanan wrote: > > At 03:48 PM 6/13/2008, you wrote: >> I am considering painting the outside 2 to 3 inches of my prop to >> make it more visible while running. I have a Warp Drive prop and >> would probably paint white tips on it with just a can of regular >> white spray paint. Any chance of changing the balance of the >> prop? Good idea or bad? > > I painted the forward faces of my prop white, with red tips > with black pin striping. I was careful to paint the same, but > dynamically balanced after anyway. The balance turned out to be > very close so I don't think you'll have a problem. It's a good idea > for safety, but as was mentioned elsewhere, don't paint the back of > the blades, it makes them visible from the cockpit. > > > Guy Buchanan > San Diego, CA > K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:16:35 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Much foward stick on climbout From: "dave" Mike , That I meant in above message -- do W & B first ......... Then if too far aft remove the BRS and try it .......... if the Cof G become in range again then remove it and test fly it. As far as the 2 stroke comment -----what ever .......... 99% of all engine failures stem from the operator .. 912s die too as do any engine.......... most issues are fuel related. My Kitfox has 470 hours on the last engine i put in June 2006 and that is my 3rd engine in this plane. And furthermore I would certainly rather land engine out in control that with a BRS taking you were it wants to . Kitfoxes make good gliders. Dave -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187851#187851 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:29:59 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: aerocet 1100 amphib rigging From: "dave" Louis , I was not aware that Aerocets went over centre to lock up when gear is retracted ? Mine are held up by the control cables and the Johnson bar detent that locks them up. When locked down the Johnson bar once again has a detent that holds the gear over centre and locked down. You have to make sure that mains especially are over centre when the handle is locked in the detant. If not you will twist one of the parts inside and/or bend or shear off the bolts that go through it. -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187853#187853 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:48:44 AM PST US From: Catz631@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Much foward stick on climbout Chris, What you could do,as I did,is to install an elevator trim tab. I too have the classic 4 with the BRS behind the seat. I am much heavier than you and have the stab adjusted to the bottom hole vs the top. I was getting an arm like "Popeye" holding back pressure on landing. I also had to hold a little forward pressure on take off and in cruise which I solved by installing a little bungee device on the stick (as I once had in a Tailwind) Finally I said enough of this mickey mouse stuff and I ordered an elevator trim system from Highwing LLc .I installed the "hat" switch on the stick and I can now take off , cruise and land almost hands off. No more elevator pressure. It is the best improvement I have done on the aircraft. I feel your pain ! Dick Maddux Fox 4-1200 Pensacola,Fl **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:58:46 AM PST US From: Catz631@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Much foward stick on climbout My Fox 4 has the BRS behind the co pilot also and my battery is on the inside of the firewall (pilot compartment side). I weigh 230 lbs (I know lard ass) I am running the 912 which is somewhat heavier than the 2 stroke I believe. I just did a weight and balance a month ago and I am comfortably within the cg limits and no way to get out of limits without exceeding gross (which I won,t do) Dick Maddux Pensacola,Fl **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:44:20 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: aerocet 1100 amphib rigging From: "vetdrem" Dave, There is an up lock also, at least for the mains. The General description mentions it, and Step 30 of the installation instructions talks about it also. I can get the mains to lock in the up position, but not the nose wheels. That is why I asked. I think that I am going to ASSume there is not an uplock for the nose wheels. Louie 191GW model 3 912ul Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187857#187857 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:12:06 AM PST US From: steve shinabery Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Much foward stick on climbout kitfoxmike wrote: > > No way, leave the BRS on when doing the weight and balance, it is part of the aircraft. Chances are you have too much tail weight. Besides you need to know what your current problem is. Sorry to say this, but the BRS is a must if you have a 2 stroke. I'm going to catch heck now. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187836#187836 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Checked by AVG. > WOW,Mike that Hurts,,Steve Shinabery N554KF KF2 with the mighty 582 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:41:56 AM PST US From: Jim_and_Lucy Chuk Subject: Kitfox-List: structeral epoxy questions Hi all, I'm about to start working on my Kitfox 4 project wings and have s ome questions about the epoxy. I got 2 cans of each of the Scotch weld 221 6 B/A adhesive, but they are as old as the kit (1994). I mixed some up and left it on a piece of plywood and stuck a 16 penny nail in it. When it ha rded, I tried to bend the nail out of it sideways, and all that happened wa s the nail bent. Even though it seems good, I suppose I should get new adh esive. Any thoughts on a good adhesive besides Scotch weld and any ideas o n getting accurate mix ratios of the two parts of the glue would help me. I see some of these glues can be pumped through a small double caulk gun an d it comes out mixed, anybody use that stuff? Thanks, Jim Chuk Avids, Kitfox 4 _________________________________________________________________ It=92s easy to add contacts from Facebook and other social sites through Wi ndows Live=99 Messenger. Learn how. https://www.invite2messenger.net/im/?source=TXT_EML_WLH_LearnHow ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:41:13 AM PST US From: "Ted Palamarek" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: structural epoxy questions Jim The glue that is supplied now is "Hysol 9460" and it comes in tubes that you can attach the missing nozzles to. John McBean at Kitfox has the glue and mixing nozzles. Give him a call and I'm sure he will get what ever you need off to you quickly. Ted Palamarek Edmonton Alberta KF IV-912 _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim_and_Lucy Chuk Sent: June 14, 2008 8:39 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: structeral epoxy questions Hi all, I'm about to start working on my Kitfox 4 project wings and have some questions about the epoxy. I got 2 cans of each of the Scotch weld 2216 B/A adhesive, but they are as old as the kit (1994). I mixed some up and left it on a piece of plywood and stuck a 16 penny nail in it. When it harded, I tried to bend the nail out of it sideways, and all that happened was the nail bent. Even though it seems good, I suppose I should get new adhesive. Any thoughts on a good adhesive besides Scotch weld and any ideas on getting accurate mix ratios of the two parts of the glue would help me. I see some of these glues can be pumped through a small double caulk gun and it comes out mixed, anybody use that stuff? Thanks, Jim Chuk Avids, Kitfox 4 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:16 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: aerocet 1100 amphib rigging From: "dave" vet, read again and study your gear. The Johnson bar holds your gear in the "locked up" position . There is NO over centre on the retract mode. So if your Johnson bar comes out of the detent when retracted then your gear will fall and /or sag. I got mine in shop today. Have to repair the Left main gear. Fiberglass is cracked at link tube. I too abusive hundreds of landings on grass runways beats em up annually. Dave -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187873#187873 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:42:09 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: structeral epoxy questions Hi Jim- When I got my 3-previous-owners kit, I smelled the structural adhesive, and it smelled strong of ammonia, which I heard/read was the death knell of this product. This product was 10 years old at the time, so I "chuked" it....bad pun intended. I ordered Hysol 9460 locally in...as I recall...1pound cans...one each of hardener and epoxy. They got to me in less than 24 hours. I mix mine using the gram scales that were formerly used in my other life....NO, NO, NO...not seriously. What I do is set the scales up with a clear plastic yogurt lid on the side where the adhesive is to be placed, then set the scales to zero. Then using the desired amount of each, measure the exact amount of each by weight. Measuring each by volume doesn't work for me...too imprecise. But whatever method you chose to weigh or eyeball, the beauty of mixing on the CLEAR...not translucent...plastic or glass is that you can see when the mix is absolutely all mixed by looking at the underside of the glass or plastic...it'll be all grey with no white or black streaks showing. One guy told me he mixed the stuff by putting one part of the black on the "mixing board" and then adding the white until the mix was grey. I can't imagine he ever got two batches mixed the same but he says he did. I'm too anal to do it this way. And I'm too damned cheap to buy the double tube stuff...what happens when you get to the end, toss the stuff left in the tube when the plunger is all the way in? Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200 Status: flying w/530 hrs On Jun 14, 2008, at 10:38 AM, Jim_and_Lucy Chuk wrote: > Hi all, I'm about to start working on my Kitfox 4 project wings > and have some questions about the epoxy. I got 2 cans of each of > the Scotch weld 2216 B/A adhesive, but they are as old as the kit > (1994). I mixed some up and left it on a piece of plywood and > stuck a 16 penny nail in it. When it harded, I tried to bend the > nail out of it sideways, and all that happened was the nail bent. > Even though it seems good, I suppose I should get new adhesive. > Any thoughts on a good adhesive besides Scotch weld and any ideas > on getting accurate mix ratios of the two parts of the glue would > help me. I see some of these glues can be pumped through a small > double caulk gun and it comes out mixed, anybody use that stuff? > Thanks, Jim Chuk Avids, Kitfox 4 > > arget=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-Listp:// > forums.matronics.comblank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > Its easy to add contacts from Facebook and other social sites > through Windows Live Messenger. Learn How._- > ============================================================ _- > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List_- > ============================================================ _- > forums.matronics.com_- > ============================================================ _- > contribution_- > =========================================================== ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:24:59 AM PST US From: Marco Menezes Subject: Kitfox-List: BRS and 2 strokes - Was Much foward stick on climbout Heck Mike, let me be among the first. There's no point in my trying to convince those suffering from 2-stroke phobia of their reliability and safety when properly maintained and operated.  But, even if they were all you mistakenly believe they are, BRS is not the answer.     BRS is for saving your bacon when structural failures occur in flight. In an engine-out situation, you generally fly the airplane down and make the best landing you can. That's true whether your flying behind a P&W or a Stihl (though I suspect mountain flying and epilepsy might be exceptions to this general rule).   Kitfoxes are structurally sound and my Mod II needs every spare ounce for fuel and passenger. SO, at least in my case, BRS is like the proverbial "back pockets on a hog." Sure, I'd be "safer" with BRS. Microsoft Flight Simunator is safer too. :-)   Marco Menezes M2, 589-90 , "C" box   xmike <customtrans@qwest.net> wrote: From: kitfoxmike <customtrans@qwest.net> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Much foward stick on climbout --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <customtrans@qwest.net> No way, leave the BRS on when doing the weight and balance, it is part of the aircraft. Chances are you have too much tail weight. Besides you need to know what your current problem is. Sorry to say this, but the BRS is a must if you have a 2 stroke. I'm going to catch heck now. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187836#187836 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:54:50 AM PST US From: msm_9949@yahoo.com Subject: Kitfox-List: Connecticut Post Online: student-made plane soars --- MIME Errors - No Plain-Text Section Found --- A message with no text/plain MIME section was received. The entire body of the message was removed. Please resend the email using Plain Text formatting. HOTMAIL is notorious for only including an HTML section in their client's default configuration. If you're using HOTMAIL, please see your email application's settings and switch to a default mail option that uses "Plain Text". --- MIME Errors No Plain-Text Section Found --- ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:04:04 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: New Kitfox fourm available OT I don't know about wood fired but occasionally the rubber bands do get a bit stretched. J! To address the whole idea of a new Kitfox list: Why fix something that isn't broke? I agree wholeheartedly with the idea it's not the hardware of the list but the members who make things interesting. I do a lot more reading here than I do writing. As I'm in the throes of installing a 912 into my plane, and I know so little about this engine, I've been doing a lot of mail reading. Often I come across items, like this one, that I feel deserve a comment. I would miss a lot of that on a more structured list. Noel From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of patrick reilly Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 6:00 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: New Kitfox fourm available Rick, Good Luck with the web page. This one works pretty well. I am also interested in RV's but to me Van's Airforce web is too complex. Us Kitfoxers are simple folk. Hell, Lynn and Deke up in MI still use Kerosene powered computers and I think Noel and Dave in Canada are running wood fired MACs. We don't mind hitting the keyboard 2 or 3 times to get info, but, Damn it, that's it! Do Not Archive Pat Reilly Mod 3 582 Rebuild Rockford, IL _____ From: randy@romeolima.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: New Kitfox fourm available Hi Rick, Thanks for your comments. Having been a long time RV builder and user of the www.vansairforce.net forums I know that the vBulletin forum platform has some significant features that enhance the user experience. Yes, it is different, but once you get your routine down with forum and thread subscriptions I think you'll find it to be a better tool. Also, and this is a biggie, I have it set up to allow pictures to be embedded right in the messages (although limited in size to 640 x 640 pixels). Most folks have digital cameras these days, and we all know that one picture is worth a thousand words, yet most folks also don't have their own web sites for posting pics. Therefore simply putting a copy in your message is powerful indeed. If you check around the web you'll see that all the truly state-of-the art communities use vbulletin or something equivalent. Several years ago the RV community went through this exact transition and there were a few who didn't understand or support the idea, but over time the bulk of the community did and never looked back. Of course I am just providing an alternative, users are free to go where they like, but you have my commitment to develop TeamKitfox.com into a truly valuable tool for the community. As an EAA Chapter president, Technical Counselor, Flight Advisor, and two time RV builder I am in it for the long run. Cheers, Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 9:14 AM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: New Kitfox fourm available I like the web page look, but I really think this could be incorporated into the existing forum. It is the knowledge and experiences of builders and flyers that make this forum so powerful. Besides it takes money and personal time to run a forum so why duplicate efforts. I am not building at present but I really want to know our list be around in 5 years. Maybe you should talk with Matt Dralle off line. Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy Lervold Sent: 2008-06-13 08:42 Subject: Kitfox-List: New Kitfox fourm available Kitfoxers, Just a quick note to let you all know about a new Kitfox forum I've started with some different features than are offered here on this list. Please consider taking a minute to check it out... www.teamkitfox.com In the interest of building an enhanced online community I'd appreciate your feedback on features you'd like to see. Randy Lervold Kitfox Super Sport, just starting www.mykitfox.com www.teamkitfox.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhref "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhref "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c arget=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:06:33 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: New Kitfox fourm available Lynn: There are days I think your Mac has enough corn :-) And my PC is catching it! Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 6:43 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: New Kitfox fourm available I'm gonna trade my kerosene Mac in on a corn-powered Mac as soon as they can down-grade to that technology. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200 Status: flying w/528 hrs do not archive On Jun 13, 2008, at 4:29 PM, patrick reilly wrote: > Rick, Good Luck with the web page. This one works pretty well. I am > also interested in RV's but to me Van's Airforce web is too > complex. Us Kitfoxers are simple folk. Hell, Lynn and Deke up in MI > still use Kerosene powered computers and I think Noel and Dave in > Canada are running wood fired MACs. We don't mind hitting the > keyboard 2 or 3 times to get info, but, Damn it, that's it! > Do Not Archive > > Pat Reilly > Mod 3 582 Rebuild > Rockford, IL > > > From: randy@romeolima.com > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: New Kitfox fourm available > Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:49:31 -0700 > > Hi Rick, > > Thanks for your comments. Having been a long time RV builder and > user of the www.vansairforce.net forums I know that the vBulletin > forum platform has some significant features that enhance the user > experience. Yes, it is different, but once you get your routine > down with forum and thread subscriptions I think you'll find it to > be a better tool. Also, and this is a biggie, I have it set up to > allow pictures to be embedded right in the messages (although > limited in size to 640 x 640 pixels). Most folks have digital > cameras these days, and we all know that one picture is worth a > thousand words, yet most folks also don't have their own web sites > for posting pics. Therefore simply putting a copy in your message > is powerful indeed. If you check around the web you'll see that all > the truly state-of-the art communities use vbulletin or something > equivalent. > > Several years ago the RV community went through this exact > transition and there were a few who didn't understand or support > the idea, but over time the bulk of the community did and never > looked back. > > Of course I am just providing an alternative, users are free to go > where they like, but you have my commitment to develop > TeamKitfox.com into a truly valuable tool for the community. As an > EAA Chapter president, Technical Counselor, Flight Advisor, and two > time RV builder I am in it for the long run. > > Cheers, > Randy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rick > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 9:14 AM > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: New Kitfox fourm available > > I like the web page look, but I really think this could be > incorporated into the existing forum. It is the knowledge and > experiences of builders and flyers that make this forum so > powerful. Besides it takes money and personal time to run a forum > so why duplicate efforts. I am not building at present but I > really want to know our list be around in 5 years. Maybe you should > talk with Matt Dralle off line. > > > Rick > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox- > list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy Lervold > Sent: 2008-06-13 08:42 > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kitfox-List: New Kitfox fourm available > > Kitfoxers, > > Just a quick note to let you all know about a new Kitfox forum I've > started with some different features than are offered here on this > list. Please consider taking a minute to check it > out...www.teamkitfox.com > In the interest of building an enhanced online community I'd > appreciate your feedback on features you'd like to see. > > Randy Lervold > Kitfox Super Sport, just starting > www.mykitfox.com > www.teamkitfox.com > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http:// > www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http:// > forums.matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/ > contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http:// > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http:// > www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http:// > forums.matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/ > contribution">http://www.matronics.com/carget=_blank>http:// > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-Listp:// > forums.matronics.comblank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution_- > ============================================================ _- > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List_- > ============================================================ _- > forums.matronics.com_- > ============================================================ _- > contribution_- > =========================================================== ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:50:26 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Painted Prop Tips vrs Prop Balance I had a three blade Ivo IFA on my 582. It had the stainless steel tapes to protect the leading edge. I did find it would glint in the sun when I was flying with the sun behind me. Rather than have a prop all white I think the two white stripes near the tips of the props Noel Loveys AME Intern, RPP Kitfox III-A, 582,B box Ivo IFA, Aerocet 1100 floats -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of FlyboyTR Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 12:36 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Painted Prop Tips vrs Prop Balance Jim, I personally do not recommend painting the back of the prop. In doing so, the prop now becomes visible to the pilot and creates a white or yellow ring in the visual field. In general terms, the back of the prop should be black. The color needs to be on the front. I had the opportunity to fly behind a new composite prop that was all white. After about 2 hours of looking through this white ring I suggested to the new owner that he paint the back of the prop black. Now the prop is virtually invisible to the pilot...and no more headaches and tired eyes. When you paint your three blade Warp, just try to apply the same amount of paint to each tip. Don't forget to remove your tape before the paint dries! Let us know how it turns out! Travis Jim Shumaker wrote: > I paint the outer tip of the prop on the back for visibility. The front I paint as needed for repairs. I use yellow because it is visible and matches my plane. Balance with a lawnmower blade balancer, available at Sears. > > Jim Shumaker > > > --- :D -------- Travis Rayner Mobile, AL Skystar Vixen, N-789DF Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop ADI-II Autopilot AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187835#187835 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:55:49 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Much foward stick on climbout I wouldn't say you'll catch heck... But if your plane needs to have a BRS to be safe then you have the wrong plane. One of the nice things about the 'Fox is it lands pretty nice deadstick. It may be of some use in the case of a mid air incursion. In such a case the BRS itself may be damaged. If you have felt safe flying without the BRS then pull it and gain the weight advantage and help your balance situation which sounds to be seriously aft. Sigtaturea Noel Loveys Campbellton, NL, Canada CDN AME intern, PP-Rec C-FINB, Kitfox III-A Going 912, Aerocet 1100 floats noelloveys@yahoo.ca -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kitfoxmike Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 12:43 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Much foward stick on climbout No way, leave the BRS on when doing the weight and balance, it is part of the aircraft. Chances are you have too much tail weight. Besides you need to know what your current problem is. Sorry to say this, but the BRS is a must if you have a 2 stroke. I'm going to catch heck now. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187836#187836 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:57:25 PM PST US From: Michael Gibbs Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: BRS and 2 strokes - Was Much foward stick on climbout Marco sez: >Sure, I'd be "safer" with BRS. Microsoft Flight Simunator is safer too. :-) Reminds me of the old saw, "A ship in a harbor is safe, but that's not what ships are for." Mike G. N728KF, Model IV-1200 Speedster Phoenix, AZ ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:03:45 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: structeral epoxy questions From: "Tom Jones" Jim Chuck Having used both the 3M and Hysol, I highly recommend the Hysol. It is much easier to work with. It doesn't sag like the 3m. To make factory like fillets put the mixed hysol in a sturdy ziplock bag and cut a small piece of a corner so you can use it like a cake decorator to apply. Hysol is mixed 50/50 by volume so real easy to portion out too. -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187930#187930 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kitfox-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.