---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 06/15/08: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:05 AM - Re: BRS and 2 strokes (Michel Verheughe) 2. 05:46 AM - Re: structeral epoxy questions (Tom Jones) 3. 08:15 AM - Re: BRS and 2 strokes - Was Much foward stick on climbout (Noel Loveys) 4. 08:19 AM - Re: Re: structeral epoxy questions (Noel Loveys) 5. 09:39 AM - Re: BRS and 2 strokes - Was Much foward stick on climbout (Michael Gibbs) 6. 10:07 AM - (OFF-TOPIC) Safety. WAS: BRS and 2 strokes (Michel Verheughe) 7. 10:10 AM - Re: BRS and 2 strokes (Michel Verheughe) 8. 10:37 AM - Re: New Kitfox fourm available (Lynn Matteson) 9. 01:05 PM - Re: Re: BRS and 2 strokes (Guy Buchanan) 10. 02:13 PM - Re: Much foward stick on climbout (EMAproducts@aol.com) 11. 03:40 PM - Re: BRS and 2 strokes - Was Much foward stick on climbout (Keith C.) 12. 05:35 PM - Off-topic...flying machines and Nascar (Lynn Matteson) 13. 06:18 PM - Re: Off-topic...flying machines and Nascar (gary.algate@sandvik.com) 14. 08:41 PM - Re: Re: structeral epoxy questions (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk) 15. 08:53 PM - Atten Michel - Jabiru questions (gary.algate@sandvik.com) 16. 09:36 PM - Re: Engine and Performance Survey (WurlyBird) 17. 10:04 PM - Re: BRS and 2 strokes - Was Much foward stick on climbout (Maurice) 18. 10:11 PM - Re: Kitfox Suber EA81 (2nd message) (WurlyBird) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:05:38 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: BRS and 2 strokes > From: Michael Gibbs [MichaelGibbs@cox.net] > Reminds me of the old saw, "A ship in a harbor is safe, but that's > not what ships are for." Arrr, matey! The sea is for sailing! ... incidentally, I never wanted a liferaft in my sailboat. The reason is: statistics show that you have better chance to stay on the boat than trying to launch and board a liferaft in a storm. An English saying is: "You can abandon the vessel when you stand on the spreaders (half-way up the mast) and the water reaches your shoulders." The Fastnet race of 1979 saw the worst storm in history. Fifteen sailors died but only one ship went down. The others were found floating in the water ... among empty liferafts. Likewise, I feel that a BRS is somewhat of a danger since once deployed, you're not anymore the pilot but a passenger. When would you use it, anyway? If a surface departed the aircraft? Some years ago, a pilot from my airfield flew a Jora microlight aircraft and the left wing departed. The aircraft had a BRS but the pilot never managed to deploy it as it went into a mad spin. In any other situation, I would try to put the plane down at a place I find best suited. ... but that's me. Guys, don't sue me for my writing; my lawyer will prove in court that I am stupid and not responsible of my writing! :-) Cheers, Michel Verheughe Norway Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 Do not archive
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:46:17 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: structeral epoxy questions From: "Tom Jones" Jim, I should add another hysol or 3m tip. You can position it and smooth it out nicely with a gloved finger dipped in alcohol. And don't throw out the old 3m. While you don't want to use it on your wings it is handy to have around for use on things other than airplane. -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187963#187963 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:15:15 AM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: BRS and 2 strokes - Was Much foward stick on climbout I have to dispute that one... There have been so many ships that sank at the wharf. There have also been so many ships lost to tsunami while tied to the wharf. Most ships are really in danger when they are grounded not when they are afloat on the high seas. Ships are designed to be at sea and all things being equal they are much safer in deep water. Any comments Michel? Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Gibbs Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 11:24 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: BRS and 2 strokes - Was Much foward stick on climbout Marco sez: >Sure, I'd be "safer" with BRS. Microsoft Flight Simunator is safer too. :-) Reminds me of the old saw, "A ship in a harbor is safe, but that's not what ships are for." Mike G. N728KF, Model IV-1200 Speedster Phoenix, AZ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:19:52 AM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: structeral epoxy questions Assuming the operative word here is "structural" then the only way to go is with metered resins (resin to cloth by weight) or Pre-Preg and vacuum bagging. It also helps to have an ultrasonic tester to check your work. Past that which resins you use depends on what works best for you. Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Jones Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 11:31 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: structeral epoxy questions Jim Chuck Having used both the 3M and Hysol, I highly recommend the Hysol. It is much easier to work with. It doesn't sag like the 3m. To make factory like fillets put the mixed hysol in a sturdy ziplock bag and cut a small piece of a corner so you can use it like a cake decorator to apply. Hysol is mixed 50/50 by volume so real easy to portion out too. -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187930#187930 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:39:07 AM PST US From: Michael Gibbs Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: BRS and 2 strokes - Was Much foward stick on climbout Speaking on the nature of risk in an activity such as aviation, I had sed: >Reminds me of the old saw, "A ship in a harbor is safe, but that's >not what ships are for." To which Noel sez: >...Ships are designed to be at sea and all things being equal they >are much safer in deep water. Sometimes it seems like people go to a fair amount of effort to miss the point. :-( I naively thought that this was such a ridiculously simply comment that maybe folks would just smile and move on to the next message. I have a feeling that any 'old expression' would have garnered a comment. If I had said, "A bird in hand is worth two in the bush," I'm sure someone would have started commenting on how it really isn't safe to handle birds due to the risk of contagious diseases and the possibility of infected scratches. I'm going to be quiet again now... Mike G. N728KF, Kitfox IV-1200 Speedster Phoenix, AZ ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:07:56 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Kitfox-List: (OFF-TOPIC) Safety. WAS: BRS and 2 strokes > From: Noel Loveys [noelloveys@yahoo.ca] > Ships are designed to be at sea and all > things being equal they are much safer in deep water. > Any comments Michel? Er ... since you ask: Yes, Noel. Have you seen the movie The Perfect Storm? Based on a true story, they say. Easy to say since all we know is that a ship left harbour and never came back. Whatever happened on board is pure fantasy. But ... What is true and what we know is that the sailboat Mistral was on its way to Bermuda and that the skipper wanted to ride to storm at high sea. A wise decision. But then, after a B2 knockdown (technical term when the mast goes under the water) the two female passengers decided to call a Mayday and the US Coast Guards came to the rescue. What is terribly wrong in the movie is that they make it look like the women were right in calling for help. That is wrong! First, only the Ship Master (the skipper, in this case) is allowed to decide to send a Mayday. Second, the decision to do it cost one helicopter and the life of three pilots. Third, this was very silly because days after, a fishing vessel towed the sailboat in harbour. It was still floating and in good conditions. Now, if I know that, it is because some years ago I was in contact with Bob Makowski, a US Coast Guard helicopter pilot in Puerto Rico. I was in contact with him because I needed photos in order to make a multimedia training module for SAR, which - as you know - is common to aviators and seafarers. I even have somewhere a photo taken from a helicopter of the yacht Mistral. I'll see if I can find it somewhere at work. Sooo, my general conclusion is: Yes, water is the safe thing that can surround a ship. Just like flying: As long as you have air up, down, left and right, you've got nothing to fear. When I was sailing long distances with my wife, we were always in conflict. She likes to see the coast. I like to see the sea. The coast is where the rocks and sand banks are! Cheers, Michel Verheughe Norway Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 Do not archive
________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:10:59 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: BRS and 2 strokes > From: Michael Gibbs [MichaelGibbs@cox.net] > I'm going to be quiet again now... Please don't Mike. If you hadn't started the maritime content, I couldn't show off with my maritime experience! ... okay, my turn to shut up and leave the room now! :-) Cheers, Michel Verheughe Norway Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 Do not archive
________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:37:41 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: New Kitfox fourm available GROANNNNN.....! I gotta admit, Noel, ya got me on that one.... Now if we could just convert all that corn into cornpone (moonshine), I'd be sittin' on a goldmine. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200 Status: flying w/530 hrs do not archive On Jun 14, 2008, at 7:04 PM, Noel Loveys wrote: > > Lynn: > > There are days I think your Mac has enough corn :-) And my PC is > catching > it! > > Noel > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn > Matteson > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 6:43 PM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: New Kitfox fourm available > > > I'm gonna trade my kerosene Mac in on a corn-powered Mac as soon as > they can down-grade to that technology. > > Lynn Matteson > Kitfox IV Speedster > Jabiru 2200 > Status: flying w/528 hrs > do not archive > > > On Jun 13, 2008, at 4:29 PM, patrick reilly wrote: > >> Rick, Good Luck with the web page. This one works pretty well. I am >> also interested in RV's but to me Van's Airforce web is too >> complex. Us Kitfoxers are simple folk. Hell, Lynn and Deke up in MI >> still use Kerosene powered computers and I think Noel and Dave in >> Canada are running wood fired MACs. We don't mind hitting the >> keyboard 2 or 3 times to get info, but, Damn it, that's it! >> Do Not Archive >> >> Pat Reilly >> Mod 3 582 Rebuild >> Rockford, IL >> >> >> From: randy@romeolima.com >> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: New Kitfox fourm available >> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:49:31 -0700 >> >> Hi Rick, >> >> Thanks for your comments. Having been a long time RV builder and >> user of the www.vansairforce.net forums I know that the vBulletin >> forum platform has some significant features that enhance the user >> experience. Yes, it is different, but once you get your routine >> down with forum and thread subscriptions I think you'll find it to >> be a better tool. Also, and this is a biggie, I have it set up to >> allow pictures to be embedded right in the messages (although >> limited in size to 640 x 640 pixels). Most folks have digital >> cameras these days, and we all know that one picture is worth a >> thousand words, yet most folks also don't have their own web sites >> for posting pics. Therefore simply putting a copy in your message >> is powerful indeed. If you check around the web you'll see that all >> the truly state-of-the art communities use vbulletin or something >> equivalent. >> >> Several years ago the RV community went through this exact >> transition and there were a few who didn't understand or support >> the idea, but over time the bulk of the community did and never >> looked back. >> >> Of course I am just providing an alternative, users are free to go >> where they like, but you have my commitment to develop >> TeamKitfox.com into a truly valuable tool for the community. As an >> EAA Chapter president, Technical Counselor, Flight Advisor, and two >> time RV builder I am in it for the long run. >> >> Cheers, >> Randy >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Rick >> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 9:14 AM >> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: New Kitfox fourm available >> >> I like the web page look, but I really think this could be >> incorporated into the existing forum. It is the knowledge and >> experiences of builders and flyers that make this forum so >> powerful. Besides it takes money and personal time to run a forum >> so why duplicate efforts. I am not building at present but I >> really want to know our list be around in 5 years. Maybe you should >> talk with Matt Dralle off line. >> >> >> Rick >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox- >> list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy Lervold >> Sent: 2008-06-13 08:42 >> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Kitfox-List: New Kitfox fourm available >> >> Kitfoxers, >> >> Just a quick note to let you all know about a new Kitfox forum I've >> started with some different features than are offered here on this >> list. Please consider taking a minute to check it >> out...www.teamkitfox.com >> In the interest of building an enhanced online community I'd >> appreciate your feedback on features you'd like to see. >> >> Randy Lervold >> Kitfox Super Sport, just starting >> www.mykitfox.com >> www.teamkitfox.com >> >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http:// >> www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http:// >> forums.matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/ >> contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http:// >> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http:// >> www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http:// >> forums.matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/ >> contribution">http://www.matronics.com/carget=_blank>http:// >> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-Listp:// >> forums.matronics.comblank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution_- >> ============================================================ _- >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List_- >> ============================================================ _- >> forums.matronics.com_- >> ============================================================ _- >> contribution_- >> =========================================================== > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:05:59 PM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: BRS and 2 strokes At 12:03 AM 6/15/2008, you wrote: >Likewise, I feel that a BRS is somewhat of a danger since once >deployed, you're not anymore the pilot but a passenger. When would >you use it, anyway? If a surface departed the aircraft? Some years >ago, a pilot from my airfield flew a Jora microlight aircraft and >the left wing departed. The aircraft had a BRS but the pilot never >managed to deploy it as it went into a mad spin. >In any other situation, I would try to put the plane down at a place >I find best suited. Well, They ARE very popular with the ultralight crowd, precisely for saving their buns when essential pieces leave. (This happens, for some reason, fairly often.) Ultralights also have a problem with glide ratio. We've had a couple of local saves. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. Do not archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:13:32 PM PST US From: EMAproducts@aol.com Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Much foward stick on climbout Fellow builders Happy Fathers Day! I was glad to see that some of you gave good information re the forward stick on climbout~~ As a 25,000 hour pilot I attribute a lot of my non scary experiences to always doing a weight and balance prior to every flight in a new aircraft, be it a Pitts S-2, Aeronca C-3 or a new to me homebuilt. The cause of many accidents is improper weight and balance because the pilot didn't do it correctly ~~ and have a flight advisor or another pilot double check your work. A tail heavy aircraft is nothing less than dangerous. Some certified aircraft will NOT recover from a spin if 1/4 " aft of approved CG. This is from an FAA Test pilot that was doing spin testing several years ago. If I recall his comments correctly 3 times out of 5 recovery was normal, other two they had to pop the spin chute. Limits are critical ~~We have enough accidents in our homebuilt aircraft without these type of flights. Talk to someone who has flown an aircraft of same make and model. Get them to go over your data, insure all parameters are correct, including your currency prior to that first flight. If it doesn't feel right ~~Something is probably wrong. I've flown three KitFox, with Honda & Rotax of different power engines, they all flew fantastic, trim was excellent on all. Elbie Mendenhall CFI since '62 EAA Flight Advisor **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:40:33 PM PST US From: "Keith C." Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: BRS and 2 strokes - Was Much foward stick on climbout Thank you Michael.....:-) Do not archive. Keith C. Mod IV 912 IVO Mather (MHR) CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Gibbs" Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 9:36 AM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: BRS and 2 strokes - Was Much foward stick on climbout > > Speaking on the nature of risk in an activity such as aviation, I had sed: > >>Reminds me of the old saw, "A ship in a harbor is safe, but that's not >>what ships are for." > > To which Noel sez: > >>...Ships are designed to be at sea and all things being equal they are >>much safer in deep water. > > Sometimes it seems like people go to a fair amount of effort to miss the > point. :-( > > I naively thought that this was such a ridiculously simply comment that > maybe folks would just smile and move on to the next message. I have a > feeling that any 'old expression' would have garnered a comment. If I had > said, "A bird in hand is worth two in the bush," I'm sure someone would > have started commenting on how it really isn't safe to handle birds due to > the risk of contagious diseases and the possibility of infected scratches. > > I'm going to be quiet again now... > > Mike G. > N728KF, Kitfox IV-1200 Speedster > Phoenix, AZ > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:35:06 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Kitfox-List: Off-topic...flying machines and Nascar Nascar racing at Michigan International Speedway brings out a variety of flying machines, from the multi-million-dollar jets that park at nearby Jackson County Reynolds Field (JXN) to the guys that haul the banners around before the Sunday race, to the Chinooks and Blackhawks that sat down at closer-by Napoleon Airport (3NP..prior to their fly- by), to the P-51 of Jack Roush, who did a fly-by before Saturdays race. I did my part by flying over the track about 6:30am to try to wake up anybody who wasn't hung over from the night before. With a Jabiru up front, not much noise is forthcoming, but I did my best. Following that flight, I went out to JXN to land, taxi about, and take off, all before the tower opened. To me, that is a kind of eerie feeling to call the tower of a Class D airport, whose ramp is littered with the 20-some jets waiting to depart come Sunday evening, and not hear a sound in return. I made a call that I was departing from the intersection of taxiway Bravo and runway 24, and not a peep of discouragement came from the tower. So off I went, glancing down at the assembled "million-dollar dogwhistles" below, and flew up to Mason-Jewett (TEW) for a Dawn Patrol breakfast. I talked to a guy up there who was building a Model 7 Kitfox, but lost his medical, depriving him of his hobby and his livelihood....he was a commercial pilot up until last year. He said he's also lost his enthusiasm for finishing the plane, and I did my best to bolster his aviation spirits. Leaving there I flew to 3TE in Tecumseh to look at a Cygnet that was just purchased by a friend. I left there to fly into 3NP to hang out and watch the banner fliers pick up their banners, then fly around the track. When the wind picked up to gusts of about 25...my guess...I got out of there and passed a banner-towing flier coming the other way. His plane was crabbing, his banner was crabbing, and my plane was crabbing. I got to thinking how much of a problem I'd have if that banner got detached and decided to become a dust cover for my plane....in flight...and I gave the other pilot a wide berth as I was downwind of that banner. It's only a 2.5 mile flight from 3NP to my strip, but that ride was pretty wild, and I was glad to put it away after it. Seeing all the various forms of flying machines right here in my own backyard is almost as good as being at Oshkosh. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200 Status: flying w/530 hrs do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:18:40 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Off-topic...flying machines and Nascar From: gary.algate@sandvik.com Lynn do you have wheel pants on your speedster? Gary Gary Algate Classic 4 Jab2200 Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655 This e-mail is confidential and it is intended only for the addressees. Any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, kindly notify us immediately by telephone or e-mail and delete the message from your system. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which may arise as a result of the e-mail transmission. Lynn Matteson Sent by: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com 16/06/2008 10:45 AM Please respond to kitfox-list@matronics.com To kitfox-list@matronics.com cc Subject Kitfox-List: Off-topic...flying machines and Nascar Nascar racing at Michigan International Speedway brings out a variety of flying machines, from the multi-million-dollar jets that park at nearby Jackson County Reynolds Field (JXN) to the guys that haul the banners around before the Sunday race, to the Chinooks and Blackhawks that sat down at closer-by Napoleon Airport (3NP..prior to their fly- by), to the P-51 of Jack Roush, who did a fly-by before Saturdays race. I did my part by flying over the track about 6:30am to try to wake up anybody who wasn't hung over from the night before. With a Jabiru up front, not much noise is forthcoming, but I did my best. Following that flight, I went out to JXN to land, taxi about, and take off, all before the tower opened. To me, that is a kind of eerie feeling to call the tower of a Class D airport, whose ramp is littered with the 20-some jets waiting to depart come Sunday evening, and not hear a sound in return. I made a call that I was departing from the intersection of taxiway Bravo and runway 24, and not a peep of discouragement came from the tower. So off I went, glancing down at the assembled "million-dollar dogwhistles" below, and flew up to Mason-Jewett (TEW) for a Dawn Patrol breakfast. I talked to a guy up there who was building a Model 7 Kitfox, but lost his medical, depriving him of his hobby and his livelihood....he was a commercial pilot up until last year. He said he's also lost his enthusiasm for finishing the plane, and I did my best to bolster his aviation spirits. Leaving there I flew to 3TE in Tecumseh to look at a Cygnet that was just purchased by a friend. I left there to fly into 3NP to hang out and watch the banner fliers pick up their banners, then fly around the track. When the wind picked up to gusts of about 25...my guess...I got out of there and passed a banner-towing flier coming the other way. His plane was crabbing, his banner was crabbing, and my plane was crabbing. I got to thinking how much of a problem I'd have if that banner got detached and decided to become a dust cover for my plane....in flight...and I gave the other pilot a wide berth as I was downwind of that banner. It's only a 2.5 mile flight from 3NP to my strip, but that ride was pretty wild, and I was glad to put it away after it. Seeing all the various forms of flying machines right here in my own backyard is almost as good as being at Oshkosh. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200 Status: flying w/530 hrs do not archive ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:41:47 PM PST US From: Jim_and_Lucy Chuk Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: structeral epoxy questions Thanks Tom for the tip. And also thanks to all of you others that replied to my question. One last question, has anyone used Aeropoxy structural adh esive? I see it is a 1 to 1 mix also. Thanks again, Jim Chuk Avids, kit fox 4 Mn> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: structeral epoxy questions> From: nahs ikhs@elltel.net> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 05:43:08 -0700> To: kitfox-list@mat el.net>> > Jim,> I should add another hysol or 3m tip. You can position it and smooth it out nicely with a gloved finger dipped in alcohol.> > And don 't throw out the old 3m. While you don't want to use it on your wings it is handy to have around for use on things other than airplane.> > --------> T om Jones> Classic IV> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp> Ellensburg, WA> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic ========================> _ =============> > > _________________________________________________________________ Enjoy 5 GB of free, password-protected online storage. http://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refre sh_skydrive_062008 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:53:06 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Atten Michel - Jabiru questions From: gary.algate@sandvik.com Michel Can you tell me what size prop you are running on your Jab engine and what speed vs RPM you are running in cruise. Also what is your climb rate say at 1/2 fuel, pilot only and summer ambient temp around 25 degC. Appreciate your help as I am just trying to put some comparative figures together. Best regards Gary Gary Algate SMC, Exploration Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655 This e-mail is confidential and it is intended only for the addressees. Any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, kindly notify us immediately by telephone or e-mail and delete the message from your system. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which may arise as a result of the e-mail transmission. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:36:27 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Engine and Performance Survey From: "WurlyBird" That is definitely a helpful testimonial. I would love to have that for a lot of engines. One more question for you. How much is an overhaul of a 912 supposed to normally cost, assuming no excessive wear or damage? -------- Prospective Kitfox buyer Here for information on airframes and engines Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=188057#188057 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:04:21 PM PST US From: "Maurice" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: BRS and 2 strokes - Was Much foward stick on climbout A BRS chute can become necessary in case of stupidity. When I was in bankruptcy court in Boise, Idaho for four days in the spring of 2006 to get my 7A released, a fellow, who shall not be identified, who was trying to get his classic 4 released told me the following story. Previously he had built a Pulsar with a BRS. One day he was flying it over a bean field in Indiana at 800 ft AGL when he decided to do an inside loop. As he started over the top of the loop he started to lose altitude rapidly and pulled the BRS. The BRS flipped him right side up and settled him gently down in the bean field. When I asked him why he had attempted an inside loop at such a low altitude, he answered, " I had done it once before." I believe there is an FAA regulation that says that any maneuver that you commence must be at sufficient altitude that at no time will you go below 1500 ft. AGL. Maurice Fitzgerald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith C." Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 3:37 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: BRS and 2 strokes - Was Much foward stick on climbout > > Thank you Michael.....:-) > > Do not archive. > Keith C. > Mod IV 912 IVO > Mather (MHR) CA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Gibbs" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 9:36 AM > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: BRS and 2 strokes - Was Much foward stick on > climbout > > >> >> Speaking on the nature of risk in an activity such as aviation, I had >> sed: >> >>>Reminds me of the old saw, "A ship in a harbor is safe, but that's not >>>what ships are for." >> >> To which Noel sez: >> >>>...Ships are designed to be at sea and all things being equal they are >>>much safer in deep water. >> >> Sometimes it seems like people go to a fair amount of effort to miss the >> point. :-( >> >> I naively thought that this was such a ridiculously simply comment that >> maybe folks would just smile and move on to the next message. I have a >> feeling that any 'old expression' would have garnered a comment. If I >> had said, "A bird in hand is worth two in the bush," I'm sure someone >> would have started commenting on how it really isn't safe to handle birds >> due to the risk of contagious diseases and the possibility of infected >> scratches. >> >> I'm going to be quiet again now... >> >> Mike G. >> N728KF, Kitfox IV-1200 Speedster >> Phoenix, AZ >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:11:40 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox Suber EA81 (2nd message) From: "WurlyBird" Hey Dave, What is the deal with the Rotax 583 that I come across every now and then but don't see on any Rotax dealer pages? Is it just a 582 with some performance parts put on it by a private company? How does it stack up against a 582 for reliability? If you or anyone else have answers, let me know. I am just about sold on a 2 stroke. :) -------- Prospective Kitfox buyer Here for information on airframes and engines Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=188060#188060 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kitfox-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.