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1. 02:02 AM - Re: Off-topic...flying machines and Nascar (steve shinabery)
2. 02:28 AM - Re: Kitfox Suber EA81 (2nd message) (dave)
3. 04:01 AM - Re: Atten Michel - Jabiru questions (Michel Verheughe)
4. 04:12 AM - turtledeck input please (Dave)
5. 04:36 AM - Re: Re: Atten Michel - Jabiru questions (gary.algate@sandvik.com)
6. 05:01 AM - Re: turtledeck input please (Dee Young)
7. 05:15 AM - Re: Off-topic...flying machines and Nascar (Lynn Matteson)
8. 05:27 AM - Re: Off-topic...flying machines and Nascar (Lynn Matteson)
9. 05:36 AM - Re: turtledeck input please (Lynn Matteson)
10. 05:42 AM - Re: Much foward stick on climbout (Southern Skies)
11. 05:58 AM - Re: Kitfox Suber EA81 (2nd message) (Tom Jones)
12. 06:16 AM - Re: Much foward stick on climbout (Tom Jones)
13. 06:54 AM - Re: Off-topic...flying machines and Nascar (gary.algate@sandvik.com)
14. 07:57 AM - Re: turtledeck input please (jdmcbean)
15. 09:06 AM - Temporary strut fairing (Tom Jones)
16. 09:27 AM - Re: Off-topic...flying machines and Nascar (Lynn Matteson)
17. 09:57 AM - Re: turtledeck input please (Guy Buchanan)
18. 10:00 AM - Re: Temporary strut fairing (Guy Buchanan)
19. 10:45 AM - Template for elevator ribs (Clint Bazzill)
20. 01:56 PM - fit up of Fire wall bent idetations to cowl bonnet? (SUE MICHAELS)
21. 02:58 PM - Re: fit up of Fire wall bent idetations to cowl bonnet? (darinh)
22. 04:06 PM - Re: Off-topic...flying machines and Nascar (gary.algate@sandvik.com)
23. 05:08 PM - Re: Kitfox Suber EA81 (2nd message) (dave)
24. 05:16 PM - Re: Temporary strut fairing (dave)
25. 06:56 PM - Gap sealing (edgraydallas)
26. 09:19 PM - Re: Re: Temporary strut fairing (gary.algate@sandvik.com)
27. 11:37 PM - Re: fit up of Fire wall bent idetations to cowl bonnet? (Guy Buchanan)
28. 11:37 PM - Re: Gap sealing (Guy Buchanan)
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| Subject: | Re: Off-topic...flying machines and Nascar |
Lynn Matteson wrote:
>
> Nascar racing at Michigan International Speedway brings out a variety
> of flying machines, from the multi-million-dollar jets that park at
> nearby Jackson County Reynolds Field (JXN) to the guys that haul the
> banners around before the Sunday race, to the Chinooks and Blackhawks
> that sat down at closer-by Napoleon Airport (3NP..prior to their
> fly-by), to the P-51 of Jack Roush, who did a fly-by before Saturdays
> race.
>
> I did my part by flying over the track about 6:30am to try to wake up
> anybody who wasn't hung over from the night before. With a Jabiru up
> front, not much noise is forthcoming, but I did my best. Following
> that flight, I went out to JXN to land, taxi about, and take off, all
> before the tower opened. To me, that is a kind of eerie feeling to
> call the tower of a Class D airport, whose ramp is littered with the
> 20-some jets waiting to depart come Sunday evening, and not hear a
> sound in return. I made a call that I was departing from the
> intersection of taxiway Bravo and runway 24, and not a peep of
> discouragement came from the tower. So off I went, glancing down at
> the assembled "million-dollar dogwhistles" below, and flew up to
> Mason-Jewett (TEW) for a Dawn Patrol breakfast. I talked to a guy up
> there who was building a Model 7 Kitfox, but lost his medical,
> depriving him of his hobby and his livelihood....he was a commercial
> pilot up until last year. He said he's also lost his enthusiasm for
> finishing the plane, and I did my best to bolster his aviation
> spirits. Leaving there I flew to 3TE in Tecumseh to look at a Cygnet
> that was just purchased by a friend. I left there to fly into 3NP to
> hang out and watch the banner fliers pick up their banners, then fly
> around the track.
>
> When the wind picked up to gusts of about 25...my guess...I got out of
> there and passed a banner-towing flier coming the other way. His plane
> was crabbing, his banner was crabbing, and my plane was crabbing. I
> got to thinking how much of a problem I'd have if that banner got
> detached and decided to become a dust cover for my plane....in
> flight...and I gave the other pilot a wide berth as I was downwind of
> that banner. It's only a 2.5 mile flight from 3NP to my strip, but
> that ride was pretty wild, and I was glad to put it away after it.
> Seeing all the various forms of flying machines right here in my own
> backyard is almost as good as being at Oshkosh.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster
> Jabiru 2200
> Status: flying w/530 hrs
>
> do not archive
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Checked by AVG.
>
Good story Lynn,,yesterday.I flew down to southern Ohio down along the
Ohio river+to Sportys Pilot Shop.and a few airports along the way.and
then got home around 6:00pm Sunday eve,,glad I did get back,Because not
long after that a BIG BAD storm came through.high winds rain etc.and
aven my elec.went out for app.1+1/2 hr.we did preflight+checked weather
befor we left.saw the strom comming in from Ill+Wis..app 12 hr out...we
thought that we would be OK to go flying..BUT I think that we cut it too
close this time...I was glad to be back home and the plane in the hanger
safe and sound..so a little world for the wise..check the weather befor
you go fly.just because it looks good now..does not mean how it is going
to end up later..Steve Shinabery N554KF KF2.with the little 582
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Suber EA81 (2nd message) |
> Hey Dave,
> What is the deal with the Rotax 583 that I come across every now and then but
don't see on any Rotax dealer pages? Is it just a 582 with some performance parts
put on it by a private company? How does it stack up against a 582 for reliability?
If you or anyone else have answers, let me know. I am just about sold
on a 2 stroke.
>
583 will give you more power at higher rpm and use more fuel and less life. It
is basically a Ski doo engine. 582 more reliabile. the 583 is close to a
618.
--------
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
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| Subject: | RE: Atten Michel - Jabiru questions |
> From: gary.algate@sandvik.com
> Can you tell me what size prop you are running on your Jab engine and what
> speed vs RPM you are running in cruise. Also what is your climb rate say
> at 1/2 fuel, pilot only and summer ambient temp around 25 degC.
Gosh Gary, I am not a man of many numbers, you know. In my native Belgium, we use
a simplifed way to count: One, two, three, many! :-)
My propeller is a Jabiru 60 x 38 inches that gives me about 3,050 RPM at cruise
level. With that setting, I burst the red line of my Kitfox 3 that is 100 MPH.
I usually cruise at 2,600 RPM and it gives me something like 85 MPH. Climb rate?
At the above conditions I would say around 800 fpm. But, as you may already
know, I have only analogue instruments and as long as everything is on the
green sector, I relax and enjoy the flying. Last Saturday, I went flying a few
traffic pattern and it was so turbulent that all the dials went from nothing
to everything in a matter of a spit second. I lost my denture, wig and glass eye!
Well, the TAF said CB and TCU but I just had to try, staying around the airfield
in case one of those big black nasty thing was to pass over us.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | turtledeck input please |
The original builder of my model IV did not use the folding T'deck
arrangement. Instead he used the sides and a large single sheet of
fairly heavy lexan. I like the idea of doing away with the leaky hinge
arrangement but I wonder if there are not some improvements possible on
the arrangement I have now.
I'll attach a photo if I can but the setup has the large section
attached with only four physical mountings and several feet of velcro. I
wonder if a smaller window made of much thinner and lighter lexan and
surrounded by aluminum might not prove superior and lighter.
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Atten Michel - Jabiru questions |
thanks Michel
I have an earlier model Jab than you and I was interested to see if there
was much of a performance difference. I have a coarser prop than you (60 x
42) but t appears the climb and cruise numbers are pretty similar.
Best regards
Gary
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> From: gary.algate@sandvik.com
> Can you tell me what size prop you are running on your Jab engine and
what
> speed vs RPM you are running in cruise. Also what is your climb rate say
> at 1/2 fuel, pilot only and summer ambient temp around 25 degC.
Gosh Gary, I am not a man of many numbers, you know. In my native Belgium,
we use a simplifed way to count: One, two, three, many! :-)
My propeller is a Jabiru 60 x 38 inches that gives me about 3,050 RPM at
cruise level. With that setting, I burst the red line of my Kitfox 3 that
is 100 MPH. I usually cruise at 2,600 RPM and it gives me something like
85 MPH. Climb rate? At the above conditions I would say around 800 fpm.
But, as you may already know, I have only analogue instruments and as long
as everything is on the green sector, I relax and enjoy the flying. Last
Saturday, I went flying a few traffic pattern and it was so turbulent that
all the dials went from nothing to everything in a matter of a spit
second. I lost my denture, wig and glass eye! Well, the TAF said CB and
TCU but I just had to try, staying around the airfield in case one of
those big black nasty thing was to pass over us.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: turtledeck input please |
Dave I did away with the whole turtle deck section and went with one
piece of aluminum attached with small screws. It seemed to me to be
another source of radiant heat in summer. It works fine too.
Dee Young
Model II
N345DY
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave<mailto:occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 5:09 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: turtledeck input please
The original builder of my model IV did not use the folding T'deck
arrangement. Instead he used the sides and a large single sheet of
fairly heavy lexan. I like the idea of doing away with the leaky hinge
arrangement but I wonder if there are not some improvements possible on
the arrangement I have now.
I'll attach a photo if I can but the setup has the large section
attached with only four physical mountings and several feet of velcro. I
wonder if a smaller window made of much thinner and lighter lexan and
surrounded by aluminum might not prove superior and lighter.
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| Subject: | Re: Off-topic...flying machines and Nascar |
Yes, I do, Gary. They are the original ones that came with the 1994
era Kitfox.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying w/530 hrs
On Jun 15, 2008, at 9:15 PM, gary.algate@sandvik.com wrote:
>
> Lynn
>
> do you have wheel pants on your speedster?
>
> Gary
>
> Gary Algate
> Classic 4 Jab2200
> Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655
>
>
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>
> Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
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>
>
> Nascar racing at Michigan International Speedway brings out a variety
> of flying machines, from the multi-million-dollar jets that park at
> nearby Jackson County Reynolds Field (JXN) to the guys that haul the
> banners around before the Sunday race, to the Chinooks and Blackhawks
> that sat down at closer-by Napoleon Airport (3NP..prior to their fly-
> by), to the P-51 of Jack Roush, who did a fly-by before Saturdays
> race.
>
> I did my part by flying over the track about 6:30am to try to wake up
> anybody who wasn't hung over from the night before. With a Jabiru up
> front, not much noise is forthcoming, but I did my best. Following
> that flight, I went out to JXN to land, taxi about, and take off, all
> before the tower opened. To me, that is a kind of eerie feeling to
> call the tower of a Class D airport, whose ramp is littered with the
> 20-some jets waiting to depart come Sunday evening, and not hear a
> sound in return. I made a call that I was departing from the
> intersection of taxiway Bravo and runway 24, and not a peep of
> discouragement came from the tower. So off I went, glancing down at
> the assembled "million-dollar dogwhistles" below, and flew up to
> Mason-Jewett (TEW) for a Dawn Patrol breakfast. I talked to a guy up
> there who was building a Model 7 Kitfox, but lost his medical,
> depriving him of his hobby and his livelihood....he was a commercial
> pilot up until last year. He said he's also lost his enthusiasm for
> finishing the plane, and I did my best to bolster his aviation
> spirits. Leaving there I flew to 3TE in Tecumseh to look at a Cygnet
> that was just purchased by a friend. I left there to fly into 3NP to
> hang out and watch the banner fliers pick up their banners, then fly
> around the track.
>
> When the wind picked up to gusts of about 25...my guess...I got out
> of there and passed a banner-towing flier coming the other way. His
> plane was crabbing, his banner was crabbing, and my plane was
> crabbing. I got to thinking how much of a problem I'd have if that
> banner got detached and decided to become a dust cover for my
> plane....in flight...and I gave the other pilot a wide berth as I was
> downwind of that banner. It's only a 2.5 mile flight from 3NP to my
> strip, but that ride was pretty wild, and I was glad to put it away
> after it. Seeing all the various forms of flying machines right here
> in my own backyard is almost as good as being at Oshkosh.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster
> Jabiru 2200
> Status: flying w/530 hrs
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Off-topic...flying machines and Nascar |
Yup, checking weather is wise...that's one of the reasons that I have
Pilot My-Cast on my phone. I can at least get an idea of what the
weather is and will become (within reason) over the course of the
day. And with the radar function, you can tell where it is possible
to fly. Yesterday's stormy weather was predicted in the TAF for JXN,
and it was pretty close to the time they predicted. They called for
thunderstorms in the vicinity around 2 pm, and the wind that sent me
scurrying home came at about 1 pm.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying w/530 hrs
On Jun 16, 2008, at 5:00 AM, steve shinabery wrote:
> .so a little world for the wise..check the weather befor you go
> fly.just because it looks good now..does not mean how it is going
> to end up later..Steve Shinabery N554KF KF2.with the little 582
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: turtledeck input please |
I used the LP Aeroplastics domed turtledeck. It utilizes the original
metal framework, but does away with the hinge and the potential water
leakage. I'm sure John McBean sells them, or something similar. The
dome helps strengthens the 'deck and avoids flutter.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying w/530 hrs
On Jun 16, 2008, at 7:09 AM, Dave wrote:
> The original builder of my model IV did not use the folding T'deck
> arrangement. Instead he used the sides and a large single sheet of
> fairly heavy lexan. I like the idea of doing away with the leaky
> hinge arrangement but I wonder if there are not some improvements
> possible on the arrangement I have now.
>
> I'll attach a photo if I can but the setup has the large section
> attached with only four physical mountings and several feet of
> velcro. I wonder if a smaller window made of much thinner and
> lighter lexan and surrounded by aluminum might not prove superior
> and lighter.
>
>
> <Pic of plane Sept 11-06 013.jpg>
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| Subject: | Re: Much foward stick on climbout |
Thanks again for the info. I will do a new W&B and add some weight somewhere in
the front if needed - the only option here appears to be a lead block under the
engine mount or a heavier prop. Can't take anything away in the rear and don't
feel like removing the BRS- it seems like a great option in case of a structural
failure or mid-air. Seems to me a BRS is like an airbag in a car- you'll
likely never need it but the one time you did need it it was good to have. I
don't want to add to the discussion about the merits of having a parachute in
the first place- it's a personal choice maybe.
Once established the CG within limits and problem still exists it seems the trim
tab would be a great addition.
Chris Bowles
KF 3 N727PD
Rotax 582
>Time: 03:48:44 AM PST US
>From: Catz631@aol.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Much foward stick on climbout
>
>Chris,
> What you could do,as I did,is to install an elevator trim tab. I too have
>the classic 4 with the BRS behind the seat. I am much heavier than you and
>have the stab adjusted to the bottom hole vs the top. I was getting an arm like
>
>"Popeye" holding back pressure on landing. I also had to hold a little
>forward pressure on take off and in cruise which I solved by installing a little
>
>bungee device on the stick (as I once had in a Tailwind)
> Finally I said enough of this mickey mouse stuff and I ordered an elevator
>trim system from Highwing LLc .I installed the "hat" switch on the stick and
>I can now take off , cruise and land almost hands off. No more elevator
>pressure. It is the best improvement I have done on the aircraft. I feel your
>
>pain !
>
> Dick Maddux
> Fox 4-1200
> Pensacola,Fl
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Suber EA81 (2nd message) |
WurlyBird wrote:
> Hey Dave,
> What is the deal with the Rotax 583 that I come across every now and then
but don't see on any Rotax dealer pages? Is it just a 582 with some performance
parts put on it by a private company? How does it stack up against a 582
for reliability? If you or anyone else have answers, let me know. I am just
about sold on a 2 stroke. :)
When someone calls my 503 a snowmobile engine I reply that IT IS NOT a snowmobile
engine. A snowmobile engine has twice as much power and costs 1/3 as much.
In reality, Not twice as much power but a lot more than the aircraft version.
Rotax makes Aircraft versions of the Ski Doo engines in both the 582 water cooled
and 503 air (fan) cooled engines.
A big difference in the 582 and the 583 is that the 583 uses exhaust valves whereas
the 582 aircraft engine operates on back pressure from the exhaust pipe.
Another big difference is dual ignition on the aircraft engines. They are also
detuned for reliability and longevity. The main detuning on the 503 is in the
tuning of the exhaust...the back pressure thing again.
Rotax claims much stricter manufacturing tolerances on the aircraft engines.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Much foward stick on climbout |
> Once established the CG within limits and problem still exists it seems the trim
tab would be a great addition.
Chris, if the CG turns out to not be the culprit I would first check all the rigging
before adding a trim tab. The first thing...after the CG...that I would
suspect is the flaperon rigging.
A negative (up) setting on both flaperons at the same time could cause the airplane
to pitch up.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Off-topic...flying machines and Nascar |
Just wondered if I could get you to send me some photos of the
installation as I brought a set from kitfox but they didn't have
instruction for the tube gear
regards
Gary
Gary Algate
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Yes, I do, Gary. They are the original ones that came with the 1994
era Kitfox.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying w/530 hrs
On Jun 15, 2008, at 9:15 PM, gary.algate@sandvik.com wrote:
>
> Lynn
>
> do you have wheel pants on your speedster?
>
> Gary
>
> Gary Algate
> Classic 4 Jab2200
> Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655
>
>
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> Nascar racing at Michigan International Speedway brings out a variety
> of flying machines, from the multi-million-dollar jets that park at
> nearby Jackson County Reynolds Field (JXN) to the guys that haul the
> banners around before the Sunday race, to the Chinooks and Blackhawks
> that sat down at closer-by Napoleon Airport (3NP..prior to their fly-
> by), to the P-51 of Jack Roush, who did a fly-by before Saturdays
> race.
>
> I did my part by flying over the track about 6:30am to try to wake up
> anybody who wasn't hung over from the night before. With a Jabiru up
> front, not much noise is forthcoming, but I did my best. Following
> that flight, I went out to JXN to land, taxi about, and take off, all
> before the tower opened. To me, that is a kind of eerie feeling to
> call the tower of a Class D airport, whose ramp is littered with the
> 20-some jets waiting to depart come Sunday evening, and not hear a
> sound in return. I made a call that I was departing from the
> intersection of taxiway Bravo and runway 24, and not a peep of
> discouragement came from the tower. So off I went, glancing down at
> the assembled "million-dollar dogwhistles" below, and flew up to
> Mason-Jewett (TEW) for a Dawn Patrol breakfast. I talked to a guy up
> there who was building a Model 7 Kitfox, but lost his medical,
> depriving him of his hobby and his livelihood....he was a commercial
> pilot up until last year. He said he's also lost his enthusiasm for
> finishing the plane, and I did my best to bolster his aviation
> spirits. Leaving there I flew to 3TE in Tecumseh to look at a Cygnet
> that was just purchased by a friend. I left there to fly into 3NP to
> hang out and watch the banner fliers pick up their banners, then fly
> around the track.
>
> When the wind picked up to gusts of about 25...my guess...I got out
> of there and passed a banner-towing flier coming the other way. His
> plane was crabbing, his banner was crabbing, and my plane was
> crabbing. I got to thinking how much of a problem I'd have if that
> banner got detached and decided to become a dust cover for my
> plane....in flight...and I gave the other pilot a wide berth as I was
> downwind of that banner. It's only a 2.5 mile flight from 3NP to my
> strip, but that ride was pretty wild, and I was glad to put it away
> after it. Seeing all the various forms of flying machines right here
> in my own backyard is almost as good as being at Oshkosh.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster
> Jabiru 2200
> Status: flying w/530 hrs
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| Subject: | turtledeck input please |
We also supply a one piece Lexan turtledeck that is now standard in the kit.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
Ph 208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 5:09 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: turtledeck input please
The original builder of my model IV did not use the folding T'deck
arrangement. Instead he used the sides and a large single sheet of fairly
heavy lexan. I like the idea of doing away with the leaky hinge arrangement
but I wonder if there are not some improvements possible on the arrangement
I have now.
I'll attach a photo if I can but the setup has the large section attached
with only four physical mountings and several feet of velcro. I wonder if a
smaller window made of much thinner and lighter lexan and surrounded by
aluminum might not prove superior and lighter.
Checked by AVG.
7:20 AM
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| Subject: | Temporary strut fairing |
I have a set of wood wing strut fairing. They weigh eight pounds so I guess they
may be about 10 pounds total when installed. I would like to somehow temporarily
install them to find out if the benefits outweigh the weight gain. Does
anyone have a good idea how to securely attach them for some testing and be
then be able to easily remove?
My classic 4 has a small engine so every ounce counts.
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Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Off-topic...flying machines and Nascar |
Gary-
I have the Grove gear, and I just had to eyeball the situation and
make a bracket that used the Grove bolted-on-axle through-bolts to
secure the bracket. If you think pictures of this will help, I'd be
glad to send them out.
Better yet, let me look, as I might have the original instructions
for the tube gear.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying w/530 hrs
On Jun 16, 2008, at 9:51 AM, gary.algate@sandvik.com wrote:
>
> Just wondered if I could get you to send me some photos of the
> installation as I brought a set from kitfox but they didn't have
> instruction for the tube gear
>
> regards
> Gary
>
> Gary Algate
> SMC, Exploration
> Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655
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| Subject: | Re: turtledeck input please |
At 04:09 AM 6/16/2008, you wrote:
>I wonder if a smaller window made of much thinner and lighter lexan
>and surrounded by aluminum might not prove superior and lighter.
Mine was built thin and light and the only detraction is
that the thin transparency doesn't remain flat, it tends to sag,
which is unaesthetic. There is also a lot of weight in the joints
between the plastic and aluminum and amongst the aluminum. You might
save weight with all thin lexan, domed or wrinkled for stiffness.
I'll see if I can remember to weigh mine.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Temporary strut fairing |
At 09:03 AM 6/16/2008, Tom Jones wrote:
>Does anyone have a good idea how to securely attach them for some
>testing and be then be able to easily remove?
Sure. Duct tape.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Template for elevator ribs |
Does anyone have the template for elevator ribs for large Model IV elevator
.
Clint
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| Subject: | fit up of Fire wall bent idetations to cowl bonnet? |
I plan on having a simple set up to remove the cowl bonnet my model 7.- T
he originally kit- came with a permanent sealer to fill the gaps left by
shaping of the top round end of the-firewall that fit up against the bonn
et. Is there a descent rubber seal that can fill the wide openings but stil
l be squeezed thin?=0A-=0AGeorge
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| Subject: | Re: fit up of Fire wall bent idetations to cowl bonnet? |
George,
The question becomes...do you want a fire retardant material to fill the gap?
I looked and looked for something that would work and was fire retardant but the
only thing I could come up with was RTV. I took some packaging tape and applied
it to the underside of the boot cowl and then filled the gap with RTV and
let it cure. It worked pretty good but I didn't like the looks of it so I peeled
it off and ended up with simple weather stripping. It isn't fireproof or
even resistant but my cowl will burn off in a fire anyway. I thought about
using the silicone tape they use for baffling but didn't want to go to the effort
to make it work. Let us know if you fine a compressible foam sealant that
is fire resistant. Good Luck.
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Darin Hawkes
Series 7 (Final Assembly)
914 Turbo
Kaysville, Utah
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| Subject: | Re: Off-topic...flying machines and Nascar |
Thanks Lynn
Whatever you can supply would be great
Gary
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Gary-
I have the Grove gear, and I just had to eyeball the situation and
make a bracket that used the Grove bolted-on-axle through-bolts to
secure the bracket. If you think pictures of this will help, I'd be
glad to send them out.
Better yet, let me look, as I might have the original instructions
for the tube gear.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying w/530 hrs
On Jun 16, 2008, at 9:51 AM, gary.algate@sandvik.com wrote:
>
> Just wondered if I could get you to send me some photos of the
> installation as I brought a set from kitfox but they didn't have
> instruction for the tube gear
>
> regards
> Gary
>
> Gary Algate
> SMC, Exploration
> Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Suber EA81 (2nd message) |
> A big difference in the 582 and the 583 is that the 583 uses exhaust valves whereas
the 582 aircraft engine operates on back pressure from the exhaust pipe.
>
Tom, 583 is a Ski doo engine . It has larger ports. different port timing as well
plus rave valves. It will develop more HP at high RPM.
503 you can get another 10 HP outta them with a better pipe. 582 - same thing.
Rotax pipe works ok but it a bit on the rich side when you get loaded over
6000 rpm -- your fule flow on a 582 with go from 20 litres/hour at 6000 to
30 litres a hour at 6800 rpm. and you will gain very Little for 50% more fuel.
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Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
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| Subject: | Re: Temporary strut fairing |
Tom, I will guess you will see 5 mph gain.
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I am building a model II with Rotax 582, no. 605. My book gives no guidance on
gap sealing. I intend to use airfoil ribs in elevator, rudder and stabs. What
can anyone tell me about gap sealing for the elev. and rudder. Also, I have
2 six gallon wing tanks and the 1.5 gal. header tank which I am planning on
mounting behind the firewall. All advice appreciated. Ed Gray
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| Subject: | Re: Temporary strut fairing |
Tom
I put the plastic strut fairings on my last 582 powered Kitfox and I
gained 8mph in cruise - no one was more surprised than me!
Gary
Gary Algate
Classic 4 Jab 2200
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Tom, I will guess you will see 5 mph gain.
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| Subject: | Re: fit up of Fire wall bent idetations to cowl bonnet? |
At 01:53 PM 6/16/2008, you wrote:
>Is there a descent rubber seal that can fill the wide openings but
>still be squeezed thin?
Don't you do it like air-cooled engine baffling; where you use
silicone strip that's fastened to the firewall and gets folded
slightly to fit snug against the cowl? The cowl pressure then seals
it and being silicone, it's fairly fire-resistant.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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At 06:53 PM 6/16/2008, you wrote:
>What can anyone tell me about gap sealing for the elev. and rudder.
It's a good idea. I have a simple flange type gap seal for the
rudder, (since I want it to look sealed,) and use the reversed clear
packing tape to seal the elevator. Both work great, and the elevator
seal made a significant, beneficial, difference.
>Also, I have 2 six gallon wing tanks and the 1.5 gal. header tank
>which I am planning on mounting behind the firewall.
So you'll have about 2.9 hours (250 miles) of cruise fuel. (No
reserve.) I have 27 gallons and regularly use 4.5 hours of it. (21
gallons.) I don't think I'd want to sit any longer, but I think I
have more range than the Rans I fly with. I'm guessing you'll be fine.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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