Kitfox-List Digest Archive

Tue 06/17/08


Total Messages Posted: 19



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 02:58 AM - Re: Gap sealing (dave)
     2. 05:11 AM - Re: fit up of Fire wall bent idetations to cowl bonnet? (dwparker)
     3. 06:03 AM - Re: Off-topic...flying machines and Nascar (Lynn Matteson)
     4. 06:28 AM - Re: Temporary strut fairing (Tom Jones)
     5. 06:32 AM - Re: Template for elevator ribs (Tom Jones)
     6. 06:49 AM - Re: Gap sealing (Marco Menezes)
     7. 06:53 AM - epoxy (bob noffs)
     8. 08:34 AM - Re: Re: Gap sealing (Guy Buchanan)
     9. 10:44 AM - Re: Re: Template for elevator ribs (Clint Bazzill)
    10. 04:34 PM - Re: Re: Temporary strut fairing (gary.algate@sandvik.com)
    11. 04:39 PM - Spraying Polyurethane (gary.algate@sandvik.com)
    12. 05:15 PM - Re: Temporary strut fairing (Tom Jones)
    13. 05:51 PM - Re: Spraying Polyurethane (Bruce Jolene)
    14. 06:23 PM - Re: Re: Temporary strut fairing (gary.algate@sandvik.com)
    15. 06:25 PM - Re: Spraying Polyurethane (gary.algate@sandvik.com)
    16. 06:38 PM - Re: Spraying Polyurethane (cde2fly@aol.com)
    17. 06:39 PM - Re: Spraying Polyurethane (RAY Gignac)
    18. 08:22 PM - Re: Spraying Polyurethane (patrick reilly)
    19. 08:38 PM - Re: Spraying Polyurethane (Harry Cieslar)
 
 
 


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    Time: 02:58:14 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Gap sealing
    From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
    > Quote: > Also, I have 2 six gallon wing tanks and the 1.5 gal. header tank > which I am planning on mounting behind the firewall. > > > So you'll have about 2.9 hours (250 miles) of cruise fuel. (No > reserve.) I have 27 gallons and regularly use 4.5 hours of it. (21 > gallons.) I don't think I'd want to sit any longer, but I think I > have more range than the Rans I fly with. I'm guessing you'll be fine. > Guy Buchanan > San Diego, CA > K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. > Guy, With 13 .5 US galllons on board you would not see over 2.5 hours duration since the average fuel flow is about 5.4 gallons / hour . Your numbers would give an average of 4.65 gal./hour which is low unless you are cruising at I would guess about 5500 rpm and in that case would see only about 75 to 80 mph MAX in a Kitfox IV. A Kitfox 2 is slower that a model IV as well with the under-cambered wing and with out the leading edge cap. A Kitfox 2 is likely to not see over 80 mphunlesss it has wing strut fairings as well. Hope this clears up the confusion , Dave -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=188251#188251


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    Time: 05:11:38 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: fit up of Fire wall bent idetations to cowl bonnet?
    From: "dwparker" <d.parker@sentinelfc.com>
    I used "Fiberfax" insulation. You can buy it from Aircraft Spruce (part number 05-02678). I attached it to the firewall flange with red high temp RTV. It is very thin so I was able to put it on after I drilled the mounting holes. It is good for 2300 degrees so the boot cowl will go long before this seal. Dana W. Parker N474DP Series 7 in phase one testing -------- Dana Parker N474DP Kitfox Series 7 w/912S First Flight 12/26/07 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=188266#188266


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    Time: 06:03:37 AM PST US
    From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
    Subject: Re: Off-topic...flying machines and Nascar
    Gary- I found the original box for the wheel pants installation kit finally (I never throw anything away...it's just a matter of where I "filed" it), and so I have a bunch of parts that I didn't use for my installation, and you're welcome to them, along with the instructions, a drawing, and the packing list. The whole shootin' match weighs about 3 pounds. If all you need is the instructions and the drawings, I'll either send them to you via mail, or get with my neighbor who has a better system for OCR(?) scanning the written word...and the drawings. My system doesn't (or its owner doesn't) do a very good job. Maybe a fax would be better. But if all you got was the pants, you'll need the parts that I have and some other parts that I used. Let me know what you need and how to go about getting them to you. The parts that I have consist mainly of the left and right cover plates for the brakes, z-braces, reinforcing straps, LA washers, Nylatron spacer material,and some hardware. I used the spindles, a couple of bolts, machine screws, all the solid rivets, and all the nutplates. If you have a packing list that came with the installation kit, you can see what is missing. The spindles are the biggest item that you'll need if you don't have it...they are merely 1/2" diameter (I think) chrome moly tubes with a washer welded on one end and a nut welded inside (for retaining the outside of the pant). Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200 Status: flying w/530 hrs On Jun 16, 2008, at 7:03 PM, gary.algate@sandvik.com wrote: > > Thanks Lynn > > Whatever you can supply would be great > > Gary > > Gary Algate > SMC, Exploration > Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655 > > > This e-mail is confidential and it is intended only for the > addressees. Any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of > this message by persons or entities other than the intended > recipient is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, > kindly notify us immediately by telephone or e-mail and delete the > message from your system. The sender does not accept liability for > any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which may > arise as a result of the e-mail transmission. > > > Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> > Sent by: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > 17/06/2008 02:36 AM > Please respond to > kitfox-list@matronics.com > > To > kitfox-list@matronics.com > cc > Subject > Re: Kitfox-List: Off-topic...flying machines and Nascar > > > > > Gary- > > I have the Grove gear, and I just had to eyeball the situation and > make a bracket that used the Grove bolted-on-axle through-bolts to > secure the bracket. If you think pictures of this will help, I'd be > glad to send them out. > Better yet, let me look, as I might have the original instructions > for the tube gear. > > Lynn Matteson > Kitfox IV Speedster > Jabiru 2200 > Status: flying w/530 hrs > > > On Jun 16, 2008, at 9:51 AM, gary.algate@sandvik.com wrote: > > > > > Just wondered if I could get you to send me some photos of the > > installation as I brought a set from kitfox but they didn't have > > instruction for the tube gear > > > > regards > > Gary > > > > Gary Algate > > SMC, Exploration > > Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655 > > > > > - > - > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > > > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _- > www.matronics.com/contribution _- > ===========================================================


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    Time: 06:28:33 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Temporary strut fairing
    From: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
    RE: temporary strut fairing. Guy, I was thinking duct tape but it seemed so simple that I thought I must be missing something. Dave and Gary, five to eight mph would be a good gain. Cruise now is 75 mph at 5800 rpm. I'm not really concerned about going fast. Rate of climb is a priority to me. Solo now is 800 ft/min but drops significantly with more load. At max gross (1050 for the classic 4 with 503) on a cool day it climb rate is 400-425. I would't even try it on a hot day here. I like the looks of the faired struts versus the round and I think the wood fairing will add some strength too. -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=188283#188283


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    Time: 06:32:44 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Template for elevator ribs
    From: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
    [quote="clint_bazzill(at)hotmail."]Does anyone have the template for elevator ribs for large Model IV elevator. Clint > [b] Clint, are you looking for full size templates or do you just need the specs from the builders manual? What I have is just the builders manual instructions on how to make them. -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=188286#188286


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    Time: 06:49:56 AM PST US
    From: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Gap sealing
    Hi Ed. &nbsp; My model 2 (s/n 374) was 95% built when I got&nbsp;her so&nbsp; those decisions were already made. As for gap seals, clear 2" "Frost King" tape, overlapped 1" sticky side to sticky side and applied in an "S" configuration works great. &nbsp; I'd leave out the 6 gal passenger side wing tank and replace it with a 13 gal to increase range. The 582 is a good engine but it uses about 4.5 g/hr at cruise. &nbsp;I'd use the new poly tanks now available rather than the fiberglass ones you probably have. &nbsp; I suspect you'll&nbsp;be adding some weight to the tail&nbsp;feathers with built-in gap seals and airfoil ribs. Most&nbsp;header tanks are mounted behind the seat. Put yours wherever it's&nbsp;needed to get&nbsp;the W&amp;B right with the mods you're making. If you wind up puttting the header up front, put a small baggage compartment behind the seat. &nbsp; Good luck and have fun. &nbsp; Marco Menezes N99KX Hersey, MI M2; 582-90; C-Box 3:1 --- On Mon, 6/16/08, edgraydallas &lt;egraylaw@swbell.net&gt; wrote: From: edgraydallas &lt;egraylaw@swbell.net&gt; Subject: Kitfox-List: Gap sealing --&gt; Kitfox-List message posted by: "edgraydallas" &lt;egraylaw@swbell.net&gt; I am building a model II with Rotax 582, no. 605. My book gives no guidance on gap sealing. I intend to use airfoil ribs in elevator, rudder and stabs. What can anyone tell me about gap sealing for the elev. and rudder. Also, I have 2 six gallon wing tanks and the 1.5 gal. header tank which I am planning on mounting behind the firewall. All advice appreciated. Ed Gray Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=188212#188212


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    Time: 06:53:55 AM PST US
    From: "bob noffs" <icubob@newnorth.net>
    Subject: epoxy
    t-88 epoxy is supplied for wooden airplanes by fisher. make sure you read mix instructions for any epoxy carefully. all 1 to 1 volume epoxies are not 1 to 1 by weight. bob noffs but i suppose everyone but me knew that until i read the instructions!


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    Time: 08:34:01 AM PST US
    From: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
    Subject: Re: Gap sealing
    At 02:55 AM 6/17/2008, you wrote: >Guy, With 13 .5 US galllons on board you would not see over 2.5 >hours duration since the average fuel flow is about 5.4 gallons / >hour . Your numbers would give an average of 4.65 gal./hour which >is low unless you are cruising at I would guess about 5500 rpm and >in that case would see only about 75 to 80 mph MAX in a Kitfox >IV. A Kitfox 2 is slower that a model IV as well with the >under-cambered wing and with out the leading edge cap. A Kitfox 2 >is likely to not see over 80 mphunlesss it has wing strut fairings as well. > >Hope this clears up the confusion , Dave, You get 5.4 gph, I get 4.7 at 5900 rpm, verified over several very long trips. (Note that this fuel flow is average for 3.5 - 4.5 hour flights, not around the patch.) You are correct, though, that I have a IV. I didn't know Ed had a 2, and don't know what he cruises at. I know I flight plan for 80 mph with my IV. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.


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    Time: 10:44:47 AM PST US
    From: Clint Bazzill <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Template for elevator ribs
    I could kind of copy the ones that are in my plane now, but with the larger elevator it would be nice just to trace them. Clint> Subject: Kitfox-List : Re: Template for elevator ribs> From: nahsikhs@elltel.net> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 06:30:19 -0700> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> > --> Kitfox-List m essage posted by: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>> > [quote="clint_bazz ill(at)hotmail."]Does anyone have the template for elevator ribs for large Model IV elevator. > Clint> > > [b]> > > Clint, are you looking for full si ze templates or do you just need the specs from the builders manual? What I have is just the builders manual instructions on how to make them.> > ---- ----> Tom Jones> Classic IV> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp> Ellensburg, WA> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/vi ========================> _ ===============> > >


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    Time: 04:34:22 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Temporary strut fairing
    From: gary.algate@sandvik.com
    Tom I'm not sure that you will see much gain in rate of climb from the strut fairings as they really become more efficient the faster you fly. that being said I am amazed at the performance you are getting out of that 503 - sounds like you have everything working really well. Regards Gary Classic 4 / Jab2200 Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655 This e-mail is confidential and it is intended only for the addressees. Any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, kindly notify us immediately by telephone or e-mail and delete the message from your system. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which may arise as a result of the e-mail transmission. "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net> Sent by: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com 17/06/2008 11:07 PM Please respond to kitfox-list@matronics.com To kitfox-list@matronics.com cc Subject Kitfox-List: Re: Temporary strut fairing RE: temporary strut fairing. Guy, I was thinking duct tape but it seemed so simple that I thought I must be missing something. Dave and Gary, five to eight mph would be a good gain. Cruise now is 75 mph at 5800 rpm. I'm not really concerned about going fast. Rate of climb is a priority to me. Solo now is 800 ft/min but drops significantly with more load. At max gross (1050 for the classic 4 with 503) on a cool day it climb rate is 400-425. I would't even try it on a hot day here. I like the looks of the faired struts versus the round and I think the wood fairing will add some strength too. -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=188283#188283


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    Time: 04:39:45 PM PST US
    Subject: Spraying Polyurethane
    From: gary.algate@sandvik.com
    A question for all of the list chemical engineers: Can anybody advise what type of respirator to use when spraying 2 part Urethane (specifically a chemical CAS No. 28182-81-2 polyisocyanate,aliphatic) A friend of mine is using this paint and can't find anybody in Australia that can sell him a suitable filter to use while spraying Gary Algate Classic 4 Jab 2200 Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655 This e-mail is confidential and it is intended only for the addressees. Any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, kindly notify us immediately by telephone or e-mail and delete the message from your system. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which may arise as a result of the e-mail transmission.


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    Time: 05:15:47 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Temporary strut fairing
    From: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
    I'm not sure that you will see much gain in rate of climb from the strut fairings as they really become more efficient the faster you fly. Gary, thanks for thinking about this. I wasn't actually expecting an increase in climb rate. I just don't want to lose any climb performance due to the extra weight of the fairing. If I can get the good looks and strength of the fairing, and not lose any climb performance, it will be worth it to me. The increase in cruise speed will be a bonus in my way of thinking. I wasn't very clear on that in my last post. I know for sure I will lose about 10 pounds of useful load. -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=188395#188395


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    Time: 05:51:46 PM PST US
    From: "Bruce Jolene" <brucejolene@iowatelecom.net>
    Subject: Re: Spraying Polyurethane
    Organic vapor filters are for paint fumes. ----- Original Message ----- From: gary.algate@sandvik.com To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 6:35 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Spraying Polyurethane A question for all of the list chemical engineers: Can anybody advise what type of respirator to use when spraying 2 part Urethane (specifically a chemical CAS No. 28182-81-2 polyisocyanate,aliphatic) A friend of mine is using this paint and can't find anybody in Australia that can sell him a suitable filter to use while spraying Gary Algate Classic 4 Jab 2200 Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655 This e-mail is confidential and it is intended only for the addressees. Any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, kindly notify us immediately by telephone or e-mail and delete the message from your system. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which may arise as a result of the e-mail transmission.


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    Time: 06:23:30 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Temporary strut fairing
    From: gary.algate@sandvik.com
    Sorry Tom I misunderstood, I have grown a bit blase about a bit of additional weight but I can understand why you need to keep a close eye on it. I used to have a Challenger with a 503 and that little engine was probably one of the most reliable piece of machinery I ever operated. However Challenger are now offering the 582 upgrade and I have seen the difference on performance and it's pretty amazing. I also had a Kitfox 4 with 582 and that combination would easily keep up with my current Jabiru 2200. If there is a chance, you might want to keep your eyes open for a 582 when your next rebuild is up as you would love the performance and the 10lb becomes "non-relevent" Hmm not sure if that's a real word. Best regards Gary Gary Algate Classic 4 Jab2200 SMC, Exploration Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655 This e-mail is confidential and it is intended only for the addressees. Any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, kindly notify us immediately by telephone or e-mail and delete the message from your system. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which may arise as a result of the e-mail transmission. "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net> Sent by: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com 18/06/2008 09:54 AM Please respond to kitfox-list@matronics.com To kitfox-list@matronics.com cc Subject Kitfox-List: Re: Temporary strut fairing I'm not sure that you will see much gain in rate of climb from the strut fairings as they really become more efficient the faster you fly. Gary, thanks for thinking about this. I wasn't actually expecting an increase in climb rate. I just don't want to lose any climb performance due to the extra weight of the fairing. If I can get the good looks and strength of the fairing, and not lose any climb performance, it will be worth it to me. The increase in cruise speed will be a bonus in my way of thinking. I wasn't very clear on that in my last post. I know for sure I will lose about 10 pounds of useful load. -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA


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    Time: 06:25:00 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Spraying Polyurethane
    From: gary.algate@sandvik.com
    Bruce, I'm not sure of what you mean - this is 2 part paint! He is going to use a pressurized face ,ask but still needs some sort of filtration for the inlet air? Gary Algate SMC, Exploration Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655 This e-mail is confidential and it is intended only for the addressees. Any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, kindly notify us immediately by telephone or e-mail and delete the message from your system. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which may arise as a result of the e-mail transmission. "Bruce Jolene" <brucejolene@iowatelecom.net> Sent by: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com 18/06/2008 10:30 AM Please respond to kitfox-list@matronics.com To <kitfox-list@matronics.com> cc Subject Re: Kitfox-List: Spraying Polyurethane Organic vapor filters are for paint fumes. ----- Original Message ----- From: gary.algate@sandvik.com Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 6:35 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Spraying Polyurethane A question for all of the list chemical engineers: Can anybody advise what type of respirator to use when spraying 2 part Urethane (specifically a chemical CAS No. 28182-81-2 polyisocyanate,aliphatic) A friend of mine is using this paint and can't find anybody in Australia that can sell him a suitable filter to use while spraying Gary Algate Classic 4 Jab 2200 Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655 This e-mail is confidential and it is intended only for the addressees. Any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, kindly notify us immediately by telephone or e-mail and delete the message from your system. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which may arise as a result of the e-mail transmission. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List ">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com ">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c


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    Time: 06:38:17 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Spraying Polyurethane
    From: cde2fly@aol.com
    Be VERY careful spraying this type of paint!? I'm finishing up a Model 7 and finished the last of the spraying this weekend (I used Aerothane which is the same type of chemical formulation).? In my opinion, the only option is a "line supplied" type respirator.? I used the "hobby air" type that can be purchased for $400-$500.? If you goggle search for respiratory protection for this type of paint, you'll find that most manufacturers recommend this approach.??You'll also want to be careful with eye protection.? I?wear swimmers goggles while spraying but admit I generally spray the last of the three coat process without goggles in order to clearly see the amount of paint on the surface being sprayed.??Following each spraying session, my eyes will?be irritated for a week or so even with minimal exposure. On the plus side, it's a fantastic product in terms of finish, durability, and chemical resistance...just use the proper protection! -----Original Message----- From: gary.algate@sandvik.com Sent: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 7:35 pm Subject: Kitfox-List: Spraying Polyurethane A question for all of the list chemical engineers: Can anybody advise what type of respirator to use when spraying 2 part Urethane (specifically a chemical CAS No. 28182-81-2 ?polyisocyanate,aliphatic) A friend of mine is using this paint and can't find anybody in ?Australia that can sell him a suitable filter to use while spraying Gary Algate Classic 4 Jab 2200 Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655 This e-mail is confidential and it is intended only for the addressees. Any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, kindly notify us immediately by telephone or e-mail and delete the message from your system. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which may arise as a result of the e-mail transmission.


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    Time: 06:39:00 PM PST US
    From: RAY Gignac <kitfoxpilot@msn.com>
    Subject: Spraying Polyurethane
    I painted my plane in Aerothane and used a fresh air breather located away from the area I was working in. I also was wearing a Tavek paper suit when I sprayed. Ray m: gary.algate@sandvik.comDate: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:05:41 +1030A question f or all of the list chemical engineers: Can anybody advise what type of resp irator to use when spraying 2 part Urethane (specifically a chemical CAS No . 28182-81-2 polyisocyanate,aliphatic) A friend of mine is using this pain t and can't find anybody in Australia that can sell him a suitable filter to use while sprayingGary AlgateClassic 4 Jab 2200Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655This e-mail is confidential and it is intended only for the addressees. Any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message by per sons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you ha ve received this e-mail in error, kindly notify us immediately by telephone or e-mail and delete the message from your system. The sender does not acc ept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message w hich may arise as a result of the e-mail transmission. _________________________________________________________________ Earn cashback on your purchases with Live Search - the search that pays you back! http://search.live.com/cashback/?&pkw=form=MIJAAF/publ=HMTGL/crea=e arncashback


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    Time: 08:22:52 PM PST US
    From: patrick reilly <patreilly43@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Spraying Polyurethane
    Gary, I am going to be shooting Aerothane also. A company named Cole-Palmer ( found them through Google search ) supplies very good outside air hoods with a garden hose threaded hook up @ $35 and Tyvek suits @ $5. I am going to supply air with a $40 reversable shop vac and a motor speed control from Harbor Freight tool @ $15. The $400 $500 outside air units seem extremely high priced to me. Pat Reilly Mod 3 582 Rebuild Rockford, IL From: kitfoxpilot@msn.comTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Kitfox-L ist: Spraying PolyurethaneDate: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 01:35:44 +0000 I painted my plane in Aerothane and used a fresh air breather located away from the area I was working in. I also was wearing a Tavek paper suit when I sprayed. Ray m: gary.algate@sandvik.comDate: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:05:41 +1030A question f or all of the list chemical engineers: Can anybody advise what type of resp irator to use when spraying 2 part Urethane (specifically a chemical CAS No . 28182-81-2 polyisocyanate,aliphatic) A friend of mine is using this pain t and can't find anybody in Australia that can sell him a suitable filter to use while sprayingGary AlgateClassic 4 Jab 2200Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655This e-mail is confidential and it is intended only for the addressees. Any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message by per sons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you ha ve received this e-mail in error, kindly notify us immediately by telephone or e-mail and delete the message from your system. The sender does not acc ept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message w hich may arise as a result of the e-mail transmission. arget=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution Earn cashback on your purchases with Live Search - the search that pays you back! Learn More


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    Time: 08:38:46 PM PST US
    From: Harry Cieslar <hcieslar@cabletv.on.ca>
    Subject: Re: Spraying Polyurethane
    The company making the filters usually have information matching the chemical type to the filter type. Not all chemicals are safely removable by filters only. Very toxic chemicals as isocyanates need outside are source as they can be deadly or have long term serious health effects. Harry Cieslar, Avid Magnum Project. Not a chemical engineer but medical professional with some industrial experience. Bruce Jolene wrote: > Organic vapor filters are for paint fumes. > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* gary.algate@sandvik.com <mailto:gary.algate@sandvik.com> > *To:* kitfox-list@matronics.com <mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com> > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 17, 2008 6:35 PM > *Subject:* Kitfox-List: Spraying Polyurethane > > > A question for all of the list chemical engineers: > > Can anybody advise what type of respirator to use when spraying 2 > part Urethane (specifically a chemical CAS No. 28182-81-2 > polyisocyanate,aliphatic) > > A friend of mine is using this paint and can't find anybody in > Australia that can sell him a suitable filter to use while spraying > > Gary Algate > Classic 4 Jab 2200 > Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655 > > > This e-mail is confidential and it is intended only for the > addressees. Any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of > this message by persons or entities other than the intended > recipient is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in > error, kindly notify us immediately by telephone or e-mail and > delete the message from your system. The sender does not accept > liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this > message which may arise as a result of the e-mail transmission. > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > * > > * > > > * > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Checked by AVG. >




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