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1. 05:25 AM - Exhaust Spring (Rich L)
2. 06:19 AM - Re: Re: Temporary strut fairing (patrick reilly)
3. 07:13 AM - Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 19 Msgs - 06/17/08 (Cal Anderson)
4. 07:34 AM - Re: Exhaust Spring (Ted Palamarek)
5. 10:32 AM - Re: Exhaust Spring (kitfoxmike)
6. 01:57 PM - Re: Spraying Polyurethane (n85ae)
7. 02:52 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 19 Msgs - 06/17/08 (patrick reilly)
8. 03:07 PM - Comm Antenna Plane - Size? (darinh)
9. 04:05 PM - Re: Spraying Polyurethane (Michael Logan)
10. 04:15 PM - Re: Comm Antenna Plane - Size? (Pete Christensen)
11. 04:17 PM - Re: Comm Antenna Plane - Size? (Pete Christensen)
12. 04:47 PM - Re: Exhaust Spring (gary.algate@sandvik.com)
13. 04:52 PM - Re: Spraying Polyurethane (gary.algate@sandvik.com)
14. 05:42 PM - Re: Spraying Polyurethane (RockyRim)
15. 06:26 PM - Re: Comm Antenna Plane - Size? (darinh)
16. 06:27 PM - Re: Comm Antenna Plane - Size? (Noel Loveys)
17. 07:18 PM - Re: Comm Antenna Plane - Size? (gary.algate@sandvik.com)
18. 08:05 PM - Model II Cabin Vents (Bryan Quinton)
19. 10:52 PM - Re: Comm Antenna Plane - Size? (Guy Buchanan)
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I have problem with spring wear on the exhaust on my S-7. I have worn through
three springs and the stainless steel spring tabs on the manifold are starting
to get a groove in them. Anybody know of any fixes for this?
Thanks all.
Rich
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| Subject: | Re: Temporary strut fairing |
Gary, I would guess the strut fairings would only weigh 5# or so. I wouldn'
t think they would weigh 10# with paint and everything. Just guessing. Also
, the paint safety equipment distributor is Cole-Parmer , not Palmer as I t
old you yesterday. I ordered mine on line <coleparmer.com>, so you know the
site is user friendly. But, their phone # is 800-323 4340. They are locate
d in Verenon Hills, IL. There is no respirator filter that will handle uret
hanes. You have to bring in air from a remote location.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Temporary strut fairing> From: nahs
ikhs@elltel.net> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 17:13:17 -0700> To: kitfox-list@mat
el.net>> > I'm not sure that you will see much gain in rate of climb from t
he strut fairings as they really become more efficient the faster you fly.
> > Gary, thanks for thinking about this. I wasn't actually expecting an in
crease in climb rate. I just don't want to lose any climb performance due t
o the extra weight of the fairing.> > If I can get the good looks and stren
gth of the fairing, and not lose any climb performance, it will be worth it
to me. The increase in cruise speed will be a bonus in my way of thinking.
I wasn't very clear on that in my last post.> > I know for sure I will los
e about 10 pounds of useful load.> > --------> Tom Jones> Classic IV> 503 R
otax, 72 inch Two blade Warp> Ellensburg, WA> > > > > Read this topic onlin
e here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=188395#188395> > >
====> > >
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 19 Msgs - 06/17/08 |
Pat,
Could you give us more info (part #s maybe) of the stuff you got from
Cole-Palmer. I did a search and could not come up with what you are talking
about.
Thanks
cal anderson
>
> Time: 08:22:52 PM PST US
> From: patrick reilly <patreilly43@hotmail.com>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Spraying Polyurethane
>
>
> Gary, I am going to be shooting Aerothane also. A company named
> Cole-Palmer
> ( found them through Google search ) supplies very good outside air hoods
> with a garden hose threaded hook up @ $35 and Tyvek suits @ $5. I am going
> to supply air with a $40 reversable shop vac and a motor speed control
> from
> Harbor Freight tool @ $15. The $400 $500 outside air units seem extremely
> high priced to me.
>
> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
> Rockford, IL
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Rich
The exhaust springs wear because of the vibration. Put a bead of high
temperature RTV length wise down the spring from one contact point to the
next. This helps to deaden or damp out the vibration in the spring and
lessens the movement at the two spring ends where they contact the stainless
steel tabs.
Ted Palamarek
Edmonton, Ab
Subject: Kitfox-List: Exhaust Spring
I have problem with spring wear on the exhaust on my S-7. I have worn
through three springs and the stainless steel spring tabs on the manifold
are starting to get a groove in them. Anybody know of any fixes for this?
Thanks all.
Rich
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| Subject: | Re: Exhaust Spring |
I got tired of my springs breaking, so I safety wired them. Just do a loop at
one end wrap it around both ends several times keeping it tight, then spiral it
around the whole thing down to the original start, then end up with another
tie at the original start. My final spring wore out, I didn't catch it and caused
a crack in the exhaust about 3 inches, I removed the spring, welded up the
crack and wire tied that also. I haven't had any issues with using safety wire,
been using this for about 600hrs.
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| Subject: | Re: Spraying Polyurethane |
I sold my Axis Citation after I built my Kitfox, I think the gun was
overrated anyway, as I get just as good results with an el-cheapo
harbor freight run off my compressor. The idea of low overspray
with it is a myth anyway it looks like London Fog the amount of
paint in the air when you use it anyway.
Also Aerothane mist cleans off lenses, etc very easily with alchohol
within a few hours of painting. This was a real issue as the airborne
mist sticks to everything.
I found a really nice paint gun are those automotive touch-up guns,
which I modify to use a larger paint pot. They put out a really nice
nice fine spray. Not as large a paint area as the bigger guns so
you go a bit slower, but good results.
I see no reason you couldn't run an air system for breathing off a
shopvac (a clean one anyways). Located outside the paint area
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 19 Msgs - 06/17/08 |
Cal, I did not give the right company name, but did correct it on a latter
message. The company name is Cole-Parmer at www.coleparmer.com not Cole Pal
mer. Phone # is 800-323 4340. I had no trouble navigating their site which
is unusal for me. The Tyvek coveralls were mediums cat #EW-86225-01. I don'
t have the # of the fresh air hood. If you still can't find it, get back ag
ain with your Phione #. Hope this helps. After my experience, I highly reco
mmend their products.
Pat Reilly > From: calvin@mlgc.com> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> Subject:
Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 19 Msgs - 06/17/08> Date: Wed, 18 Jun
calvin@mlgc.com>> > Pat,> Could you give us more info (part #s maybe) of th
e stuff you got from > Cole-Palmer. I did a search and could not come up wi
th what you are talking > about.> Thanks> cal anderson> > >> > Time: 08:22:
52 PM PST US> > From: patrick reilly <patreilly43@hotmail.com>> > Subject:
RE: Kitfox-List: Spraying Polyurethane> >> >> > Gary, I am going to be shoo
ting Aerothane also. A company named > > Cole-Palmer> > ( found them throug
h Google search ) supplies very good outside air hoods> > with a garden hos
e threaded hook up @ $35 and Tyvek suits @ $5. I am going> > to supply air
with a $40 reversable shop vac and a motor speed control > > from> > Harbor
Freight tool @ $15. The $400 $500 outside air units seem extremely> > high
priced to me.> >> > Pat Reilly> > Mod 3 582 Rebuild> > Rockford, IL> > > _
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| Subject: | Comm Antenna Plane - Size? |
Here is a question for the masses. I have my radio and antenna (ICOM A210 and
Comant CI-121) installed and working wonderfully (transmission and reception is
clear as a bell) except that when I am not receiving or transmitting, I have
consistent static...remember transmission and reception is clear. When I disconnect
the coax to the antenna and it goes away.
So, I called and spoke with Comant tech department and they said I need a ground
plane (metal plate) that is 3' x 3' to reduce RF static. This seems huge to
me what do you guys think? I thought it might be an electrical ground issue
but he said that the mounting screws to the metal airframe provide the electrical
ground. Any thoughts?? Has anyone put this large a grounding plane on their
airframe?
--------
Darin Hawkes
Series 7 (Final Assembly)
914 Turbo
Kaysville, Utah
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| Subject: | Spraying Polyurethane |
I made a fresh air mask from an old kitchen stove ventilator fan that I
hooked up to a length of dryer vent hose. I then reduced the dryer vent to
a one inch hose and attached it to one of the filter masks by taking off one
filter and putting it in the resulting hole. The fan was placed outside in
fresh air and I ran the hose through a bulkhead so only fresh air could get
to the fan and then to me.
Always wear eye protection when spraying paint, the solvents are usually
very bad for the eyeballs and you cannot replace those little buggers.
Mike Logan
Series 5
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of patrick reilly
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 11:20 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Spraying Polyurethane
Gary, I am going to be shooting Aerothane also. A company named Cole-Palmer
( found them through Google search ) supplies very good outside air hoods
with a garden hose threaded hook up @ $35 and Tyvek suits @ $5. I am going
to supply air with a $40 reversable shop vac and a motor speed control from
Harbor Freight tool @ $15. The $400 $500 outside air units seem extremely
high priced to me.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
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From: kitfoxpilot@msn.com
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Spraying Polyurethane
I painted my plane in Aerothane and used a fresh air breather located away
from the area I was working in. I also was wearing a Tavek paper suit when
I sprayed.
Ray
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Subject: Kitfox-List: Spraying Polyurethane
From: gary.algate@sandvik.com
A question for all of the list chemical engineers:
Can anybody advise what type of respirator to use when spraying 2 part
Urethane (specifically a chemical CAS No. 28182-81-2
polyisocyanate,aliphatic)
A friend of mine is using this paint and can't find anybody in Australia
that can sell him a suitable filter to use while spraying
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| Subject: | Re: Comm Antenna Plane - Size? |
Sounds like a squelch problem. Do you have a squelch adjustment on the
radio?
Pete
Kitfox III 912
Hell Paso, TX
----- Original Message -----
From: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 4:04 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Comm Antenna Plane - Size?
>
> Here is a question for the masses. I have my radio and antenna (ICOM A210
> and Comant CI-121) installed and working wonderfully (transmission and
> reception is clear as a bell) except that when I am not receiving or
> transmitting, I have consistent static...remember transmission and
> reception is clear. When I disconnect the coax to the antenna and it goes
> away.
>
> So, I called and spoke with Comant tech department and they said I need a
> ground plane (metal plate) that is 3' x 3' to reduce RF static. This
> seems huge to me what do you guys think? I thought it might be an
> electrical ground issue but he said that the mounting screws to the metal
> airframe provide the electrical ground. Any thoughts?? Has anyone put
> this large a grounding plane on their airframe?
>
> --------
> Darin Hawkes
> Series 7 (Final Assembly)
> 914 Turbo
> Kaysville, Utah
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=188513#188513
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Comm Antenna Plane - Size? |
Look an page 20 of your manual "squelch test"
----- Original Message -----
From: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 4:04 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Comm Antenna Plane - Size?
>
> Here is a question for the masses. I have my radio and antenna (ICOM A210
> and Comant CI-121) installed and working wonderfully (transmission and
> reception is clear as a bell) except that when I am not receiving or
> transmitting, I have consistent static...remember transmission and
> reception is clear. When I disconnect the coax to the antenna and it goes
> away.
>
> So, I called and spoke with Comant tech department and they said I need a
> ground plane (metal plate) that is 3' x 3' to reduce RF static. This
> seems huge to me what do you guys think? I thought it might be an
> electrical ground issue but he said that the mounting screws to the metal
> airframe provide the electrical ground. Any thoughts?? Has anyone put
> this large a grounding plane on their airframe?
>
> --------
> Darin Hawkes
> Series 7 (Final Assembly)
> 914 Turbo
> Kaysville, Utah
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=188513#188513
>
>
>
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With the 2 stroke engines this used to be a constant concern due to high
vibration levels - easy fix was to run a bead of Red HT Silicon down the
length of the coils to dampen vibration. On pusher set ups we used to also
run a safety wire down the center of the coil and then loosely back up the
outside and through the exhaust tabs each end. Then we siliconed the lot.
That way should a spring fail the whole thing was held captive and
retained on the muffler. Otherwise they would hit the prop and things
could get very quiet very quickly. Since I started used the silicon I
never broke a spring.
Gary
Gary Algate
Classic 4 Jab2200
Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655
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| Subject: | Spraying Polyurethane |
Thanks for all of the input on this subject - I have advised my friend
that he should forget a cartridge type filter and set up an external,
pressurized air supply as recommended by the group.
Regards
Gary
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RE: Kitfox-List: Spraying Polyurethane
I made a fresh air mask from an old kitchen stove ventilator fan that I
hooked up to a length of dryer vent hose. I then reduced the dryer vent
to a one inch hose and attached it to one of the filter masks by taking
off one filter and putting it in the resulting hole. The fan was placed
outside in fresh air and I ran the hose through a bulkhead so only fresh
air could get to the fan and then to me.
Always wear eye protection when spraying paint, the solvents are usually
very bad for the eyeballs and you cannot replace those little buggers.
Mike Logan
Series 5
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reilly
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 11:20 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Spraying Polyurethane
Gary, I am going to be shooting Aerothane also. A company named
Cole-Palmer ( found them through Google search ) supplies very good
outside air hoods with a garden hose threaded hook up @ $35 and Tyvek
suits @ $5. I am going to supply air with a $40 reversable shop vac and a
motor speed control from Harbor Freight tool @ $15. The $400 $500 outside
air units seem extremely high priced to me.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
From: kitfoxpilot@msn.com
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Spraying Polyurethane
I painted my plane in Aerothane and used a fresh air breather located away
from the area I was working in. I also was wearing a Tavek paper suit
when I sprayed.
Ray
Subject: Kitfox-List: Spraying Polyurethane
From: gary.algate@sandvik.com
A question for all of the list chemical engineers:
Can anybody advise what type of respirator to use when spraying 2 part
Urethane (specifically a chemical CAS No. 28182-81-2
polyisocyanate,aliphatic)
A friend of mine is using this paint and can't find anybody in Australia
that can sell him a suitable filter to use while spraying
Gary Algate
Classic 4 Jab 2200
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| Subject: | Re: Spraying Polyurethane |
This link should take you to the 3M site, and page with just about every mask and
cartridge you might need. I'll let you determine, but I'm pretty sure that
the black label cartridge will take care of your needs. And 3M is available
world wide.
Denise and Rocky Whitman
Austin, Tx.
S7 Aerothane 912S
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| Subject: | Re: Comm Antenna Plane - Size? |
Pete,
I hadn't thought of that...I will look into it tonight and let you know.
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Darin Hawkes
Series 7 (Final Assembly)
914 Turbo
Kaysville, Utah
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| Subject: | Comm Antenna Plane - Size? |
1/4 wave length of 125mHz is around 23.6 in. That is the minimum radius a
ground plane should be. However there is no where that it states that a
ground plane need be solid. Many radio stations only use a flower pattern
of wires under the ground and connected together at the outer edge.
Back to reality
Com radios operate a considerably higher frequencies so the ground plane,
like the radiator can be considerably smaller. You could easily glue a
ground plane of tin foil to the inside of your fuselage. That won't cost
you a big weight penalty or a ton of buck$ either.
Personally, it sounds to me like you don't have your squelch set or you are
running a 582 without both resistor caps and plugs. That engine is a bit of
an oddball for needing both resistances.
Noel
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Subject: Kitfox-List: Comm Antenna Plane - Size?
Here is a question for the masses. I have my radio and antenna (ICOM A210
and Comant CI-121) installed and working wonderfully (transmission and
reception is clear as a bell) except that when I am not receiving or
transmitting, I have consistent static...remember transmission and reception
is clear. When I disconnect the coax to the antenna and it goes away.
So, I called and spoke with Comant tech department and they said I need a
ground plane (metal plate) that is 3' x 3' to reduce RF static. This seems
huge to me what do you guys think? I thought it might be an electrical
ground issue but he said that the mounting screws to the metal airframe
provide the electrical ground. Any thoughts?? Has anyone put this large a
grounding plane on their airframe?
--------
Darin Hawkes
Series 7 (Final Assembly)
914 Turbo
Kaysville, Utah
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| Subject: | Comm Antenna Plane - Size? |
My Ground plane is made out of Fly wire screen - I don't know if it's
doing a lot but I have no noise in my radio at all. (apart from me and the
person at the other end!) - I would be looking at the squelch control also
as it appears to be pointing that way.
Noisy radios can be damn frustrating
Gary Algate
Classic 4 Jab2200
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of darinh
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 7:34 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Comm Antenna Plane - Size?
Here is a question for the masses. I have my radio and antenna (ICOM A210
and Comant CI-121) installed and working wonderfully (transmission and
reception is clear as a bell) except that when I am not receiving or
transmitting, I have consistent static...remember transmission and
reception
is clear. When I disconnect the coax to the antenna and it goes away.
So, I called and spoke with Comant tech department and they said I need a
ground plane (metal plate) that is 3' x 3' to reduce RF static. This
seems
huge to me what do you guys think? I thought it might be an electrical
ground issue but he said that the mounting screws to the metal airframe
provide the electrical ground. Any thoughts?? Has anyone put this large
a
grounding plane on their airframe?
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Darin Hawkes
Series 7 (Final Assembly)
914 Turbo
Kaysville, Utah
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| Subject: | Re: Comm Antenna Plane - Size? |
At 03:04 PM 6/18/2008, you wrote:
>This seems huge to me what do you guys think? I thought it might be
>an electrical ground issue but he said that the mounting screws to
>the metal airframe provide the electrical ground. Any
>thoughts?? Has anyone put this large a grounding plane on their airframe?
The metal frame IS the ground-plane, at least in all
Kitfoxes I know. It does mean you need a really good electrical
connection between the antenna base and the metal frame; no paint,
etc. However, I don't think that's your problem. When I've had ground
plane problems I've lost signal, meaning I had trouble sending and
receiving. I agree with Pete, it sounds like a squelch problem in the
radio or intercom.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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