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Wed 06/25/08


Total Messages Posted: 20



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     1. 02:43 AM - Re: Off Topic: Space Station----truly awesome pictures (grcolquhoun@xtra.co.nz)
     2. 05:33 AM - Re: Why do I have a flap handle? Model 2 (Jeffrey Dill)
     3. 05:35 AM - Re: Kitfox 914 fuel pressure monitoring (Lynn Matteson)
     4. 05:57 AM - Re: Kitfox 914 fuel pressure monitoring (K&MCozik)
     5. 07:00 AM - Re: Keith Schneider are you there (n61kf)
     6. 07:07 AM - N2BH Sold! (RAY Gignac)
     7. 07:39 AM - Re: W/B issues (n85ae)
     8. 08:15 AM - Model 2 fuel gauge (Bob Brennan)
     9. 08:34 AM - Re: Re: W/B issues (patrick reilly)
    10. 08:48 AM - Re: Model 2 fuel gauge (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
    11. 10:52 AM - Re: outlet port ()
    12. 10:54 AM - Re: Model 2 fuel gauge (corbob13)
    13. 12:26 PM - Re: Re: W/B issues (jdmcbean)
    14. 01:04 PM - Rotax 912ul sn 3792647 (Pete Christensen)
    15. 01:48 PM - Wing Sweep & W/B issues (Dee Young)
    16. 02:34 PM - Re: Wing Sweep & W/B issues (jdmcbean)
    17. 03:43 PM - Re: W/B issues (steve eccles)
    18. 04:12 PM - Re: Re: W/B issues (patrick reilly)
    19. 06:02 PM - Re: outlet port (Michael Logan)
    20. 06:34 PM - Re: Wing Sweep & W/B issues (Dee Young)
 
 
 


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    Time: 02:43:14 AM PST US
    From: "grcolquhoun@xtra.co.nz" <grcolquhoun@xtra.co.nz>
    Subject: Re: Off Topic: Space Station----truly awesome pictures
    Wow - great pictures. New Zealand below the space station - southern half of North island and northern half of south island second frame thanks Skystar Vixon Thanks for sending the pics - they are great! On 22/06/2008, at 4:37 AM, Marco Menezes wrote: > Wow! >> After you open the link be sure and hit the F11 button, makes the >> pictures >> high def.! >> >> Some of these picture will take your breath away... >> >> >> They are the best I have seen. >> >> These are just in from the current (just landed) space mission. These >> pixs >> are so good that it makes one feel as if you are there taking the >> pictures. >> Maximize your viewing area by hitting the F11 button and enjoy..... >> >> -http://www.texasjim.com/NASApix/NASA%20pix.htm >>> >>> >>> - >>> >>> - >>> >>> - >> >> > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 > D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 > D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 > D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 > D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >


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    Time: 05:33:17 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Why do I have a flap handle? Model 2
    From: "Jeffrey Dill" <1dillfamily@comcast.net>
    Over-analyzing again; I plead guilty. It occurred to me that the minimum flap drag at cruise speed is probably synonymous with the point of least resistance for the flaps. In other words, if I relax the torque on the flap handle bolt to the point where it no longer stays where I put it, the flaps will fair to the point of least resistance (for the flaps, not necessarily the airplane as a whole). I can mark where they go at cruise speed and that ought to be the least drag setting for the flaps, and I suspect the airplane as a whole. -------- Jeff Dill Model 2, 767JD Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189727#189727


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    Time: 05:35:52 AM PST US
    From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
    Subject: Re: Kitfox 914 fuel pressure monitoring
    NOW you're talking, Kevin. : ) Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200 Status: flying w/538 hrs do not archive On Jun 24, 2008, at 10:34 PM, K&#38MCozik wrote: > > > Seriously considering an engine swap. Maybe a 120 hp Jabiru? > > Can't wait to hear some of your performance numbers. Hopefully > your experience > with this engine will be much better. > > Kevin Cozik > >


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    Time: 05:57:17 AM PST US
    From: K&#38MCozik <kcozik@cablespeed.com>
    Subject: Re: Kitfox 914 fuel pressure monitoring
    Sorry group, this was supposed to go to Darin. Kevin Cozik On Wed Jun 25 8:33 , Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> sent: > >NOW you're talking, Kevin. : ) > >Lynn Matteson >Kitfox IV Speedster >Jabiru 2200 >Status: flying w/538 hrs >do not archive > > >On Jun 24, 2008, at 10:34 PM, K&MCozik wrote: > >> >> >> >> Seriously considering an engine swap. Maybe a 120 hp Jabiru? >> >> Can't wait to hear some of your performance numbers. Hopefully >> your experience >> with this engine will be much better. >> >> Kevin Cozik >> >> >> >> >> >> > >


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    Time: 07:00:20 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Keith Schneider are you there
    From: "n61kf" <bkls1@earthlink.net>
    Dave, try this address: n61kf@yahoo. com, or 513-933-3591 days Thanks Keith Schneider do not archive -------- Keith Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189742#189742


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    Time: 07:07:23 AM PST US
    From: RAY Gignac <kitfoxpilot@msn.com>
    Subject: N2BH Sold!
    I just want to thank everyone on and off the list for the help over the yea rs when I needed it for my Kitfox! I sold my fox to a new owner overseas. I am not getting out of flying, just moving into a Sonex or RV. Everyone take care. Ray Gignac _________________________________________________________________ Introducing Live Search cashback . It's search that pays you back! http://search.live.com/cashback/?&pkw=form=MIJAAF/publ=HMTGL/crea=i ntrosrchcashback


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    Time: 07:39:38 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: W/B issues
    From: "n85ae" <n85ae@yahoo.com>
    I have an IO-240B, with 1 degree forward sweep. I have a battery plus ballast in the tail. Without the wing sweep I think balance might be a real problem with my engine. I think it is possible to change the wing sweep if you use the cuffs that I think Murle Williams was selling. Regards, Jeff. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189749#189749


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    Time: 08:15:06 AM PST US
    From: "Bob Brennan" <matronics@bob.brennan.name>
    Subject: Model 2 fuel gauge
    My 1991 Model II has the plastic fuel tank behind the instrument panel with slits in the panel to see the fuel level. Over time the tank has yellowed and is pretty much the color of the fuel, so it is pretty difficult, to nearly impossible, to see the level. The obvious question - is there a fuel gauge retrofit of any kind available? Putting a clear fuel "tube" on the panel, connected to the top and bottom of the tank, is what comes to mind. Does anyone have a good solution, with details? Bob Brennan 1991 Model 2 Kitfox Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa


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    Time: 08:34:19 AM PST US
    From: patrick reilly <patreilly43@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Re: W/B issues
    Kitfoxers, I am rebuilding a Mod 3 that originally was built with a 912. I am installing a 582. I already have moved the battery box to behind the fir ewall from behind the seat. I know I will need to do a weight and balance w hen I finish. Now I hear different engines (weight ) require different "win g sweep". Will I need to alter my wing mounts to accomodate the 582. Why do different engines require different wing sweep? Is it because the heavier engine is so much heavier that weight and balance can not be brought into s pec without changing center of lift by sweeping wings farther forward? I th ink I have answered my own question here. I didn't really understand differ ent wing sweep requirements until I formulated this question. I still would n't mind confirmation of "wing sweep" characteristics. And, wonder if the b uilding of the original kit called for different wing sweep for 912 vs. 582 engines? Or, if Mod 3 wing sweep was same for 912 and 582. Datum point or W/B spec would not be same with different wing sweep, right? Pat Reilly Mod 3 582 Rebuild Rockford, IL> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: W/B issues> From: n85ae@yahoo.com> Kitfox-List message posted by: "n85ae" <n85ae@yahoo.com>> > I have an IO-2 40B, with 1 degree forward sweep. I have a battery plus> ballast in the tai l. Without the wing sweep I think balance might be a > real problem with my engine.> > I think it is possible to change the wing sweep if you use the cuffs that > I think Murle Williams was selling. > > Regards,> Jeff.> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.ph =============> > >


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    Time: 08:48:20 AM PST US
    From: Jim_and_Lucy Chuk <thesupe@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Model 2 fuel gauge
    On my B model Avid, I put a T in the fuel line under the tank and ran a cle ar plastic hose up the door post on the left side. The fuel seeks it's own level and so I can see the fuel level in the hose. I added fuel one gallo n at a time and marked that level so I see the fuel amount there. The hose is open at the top though so if I rolled the plane onto it's top I would h ave fuel comming out of it which would not be good. If you wnted to drill a hole in the tank near the top, you could put the hose into that hole with the right rubber seal in the hole. Hope this helps, Jim Chuk Avids, Ki tfox 4 Mn> From: matronics@bob.brennan.name> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kitfox-List: Model 2 fuel gauge> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:11:54 rennan.name>> > My 1991 Model II has the plastic fuel tank behind the instr ument panel with> slits in the panel to see the fuel level. Over time the t ank has yellowed> and is pretty much the color of the fuel, so it is pretty difficult, to> nearly impossible, to see the level.> > The obvious questio n - is there a fuel gauge retrofit of any kind available?> Putting a clear fuel "tube" on the panel, connected to the top and bottom of> the tank, is what comes to mind. Does anyone have a good solution, with> details?> > Bob Brennan> 1991 Model 2 Kitfox> Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop > Wrightsville P -======================== ==> > > _________________________________________________________________ The i=92m Talkathon starts 6/24/08.- For now, give amongst yourselves. http://www.imtalkathon.com?source=TXT_EML_WLH_LearnMore_GiveAmongst


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    Time: 10:52:31 AM PST US
    From: <l.morris@tx.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: outlet port
    Lynn- just found the info I was looking for,so will pass it on.It was in Service Letter #45 under Fuel Quanity and Unusable Fuel, para.2.From the way I read it,the older fuel tanks prior to 1 Sep 95 hadthe fuel outlet fittings at the rear of the tank which can cause fuel starvation during long, steep, high-speed descents withthe tanks low on fuel.Evidently there was a retrofit kit from the "Old" company that would relocate the outlet ports to reduce their unusable fuel quanity by about 2 1/2 gallons in a cruise attitude. Good news for those flustrated fighter pilots types. It was part # 10678.000 and sold for $87.50 per tank back in 1995. I did get a set of fuel gauges from Merle Williams.--- Leon Morris ---- Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote: > > Leon- > Aren't there any outlet ports right now? Mine are near the rear of > the tank, as low as seems possible, but they were there when I got > the tanks. Somebody will have the answer from their unmounted tanks, > but if not, I can measure mine. > > I just looked at the pictures in the builders manual...pictures are > better than my memory....and they show the outlets to be in the very > back, inside lower corner. You'll have to carve out a notch in the > butt rib for the outlet fitting, and be sure to install a finger > strainer...MOST important! Also, if you haven't already, get a set of > fuel gauges from John McBean and install them. I'm pretty sure I got > mine after I installed the tanks, but it might be easier to do it > beforehand. > Disclaimer: Mine are the 13-gallon fiberglas tanks, so yours might be > different. > > Lynn Matteson > Kitfox IV Speedster > Jabiru 2200 > Status: flying w/538 hrs > > > > > On Jun 24, 2008, at 2:15 PM, <l.morris@tx.rr.com> wrote: > > > > > I'm hoping someone can jog my memory, need to quite drinking > > that cheap wine. I have a good memory but it's not very long. > > Anyway, came across a "note to self" out in the shop " Check on > > outlet port location on fuel tanks. May need to get a retrofit > > kit." I went thru all my Kifox literature, letters and bulletins > > and find any reference for this. Does anyone have a clue? Leon > > Morris/Classic 4 Speedster/65%/Flower Mound, TX > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 10:54:11 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Model 2 fuel gauge
    From: "corbob13" <corbob13@netnet.net>
    Bob, On my model II there's a light installed behind the tank near the sight gage. To see the fuel level I flip a switch on the panel, the light comes on, and it's easy to see the level of the fuel. I prefer this method to drilling holes in the tank then sealing tubes, etc. for fear of leaks. Cory -------- Cory N903DB Kitfox Model II, Rotax 582 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189783#189783


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    Time: 12:26:43 PM PST US
    From: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@kitfoxaircraft.com>
    Subject: Re: W/B issues
    Pat, The wing sweep came into existence with the Series 5 aircraft when installing the heavier certified engines (O-200, IO-240 and Lycoming O-235) The earlier models typically had a zero degree sweep. Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean Ph 208.337.5111 www.kitfoxaircraft.com "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of patrick reilly Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 9:29 AM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: W/B issues Kitfoxers, I am rebuilding a Mod 3 that originally was built with a 912. I am installing a 582. I already have moved the battery box to behind the firewall from behind the seat. I know I will need to do a weight and balance when I finish. Now I hear different engines (weight ) require different "wing sweep". Will I need to alter my wing mounts to accomodate the 582. Why do different engines require different wing sweep? Is it because the heavier engine is so much heavier that weight and balance can not be brought into spec without changing center of lift by sweeping wings farther forward? I think I have answered my own question here. I didn't really understand different wing sweep requirements until I formulated this question. I still wouldn't mind confirmation of "wing sweep" characteristics. And, wonder if the building of the original kit called for different wing sweep for 912 vs. 582 engines? Or, if Mod 3 wing sweep was same for 912 and 582. Datum point or W/B spec would not be same with different wing sweep, right? Pat Reilly Mod 3 582 Rebuild Rockford, IL > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: W/B issues > From: n85ae@yahoo.com > Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 07:37:08 -0700 > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > > > I have an IO-240B, with 1 degree forward sweep. I have a battery plus > ballast in the tail. Without the wing sweep I think balance might be a > real problem with my engine. > > I think it is possible to change the wing sweep if you use the cuffs that > I think Murle Williams was selling. > > Regards, > Jeff. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189749#189749 > > > &======================= > > >


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    Time: 01:04:23 PM PST US
    From: "Pete Christensen" <apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Rotax 912ul sn 3792647
    My Kitfox III has a 912ul sn 3792647 from about 1991 or 1992. What should I expect for TBO. Should it be the same as newer 912's? Pete Hell Paso, TX


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    Time: 01:48:17 PM PST US
    From: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
    Subject: Wing Sweep & W/B issues
    Then from what I have read it sounds as though mounting a heavier engine in an earlier model KF is possible if the wing sweep is changed and a mew W&B completed. Is that correct? Dee Young Model II N345DY KFM 112 ----- Original Message ----- From: jdmcbean<mailto:jdmcbean@kitfoxaircraft.com> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 1:23 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: W/B issues Pat, The wing sweep came into existence with the Series 5 aircraft when installing the heavier certified engines (O-200, IO-240 and Lycoming O-235) The earlier models typically had a zero degree sweep. Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean Ph 208.337.5111 www.kitfoxaircraft.com<http://www.kitfoxaircraft.com/> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"


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    Time: 02:34:12 PM PST US
    From: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@kitfoxaircraft.com>
    Subject: Wing Sweep & W/B issues
    There are other factors involved.. and it was never an "Approved" or "Suggested" modification to the earlier models. Especially the 1, 2 or 3's. Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean Ph 208.337.5111 www.kitfoxaircraft.com "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dee Young Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 2:45 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Wing Sweep & W/B issues Then from what I have read it sounds as though mounting a heavier engine in an earlier model KF is possible if the wing sweep is changed and a mew W&B completed. Is that correct? Dee Young Model II N345DY KFM 112 ----- Original Message ----- From: jdmcbean <mailto:jdmcbean@kitfoxaircraft.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 1:23 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: W/B issues Pat, The wing sweep came into existence with the Series 5 aircraft when installing the heavier certified engines (O-200, IO-240 and Lycoming O-235) The earlier models typically had a zero degree sweep. Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean Ph 208.337.5111 www.kitfoxaircraft.com "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"


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    Time: 03:43:07 PM PST US
    From: "steve eccles" <eccles@Chartermi.net>
    Subject: W/B issues
    John I guess I should have mentioned that have a series 5 and no to the ballast . I did install the speedster package on my 5 so I think because of the ribs that had to be installed on the , horizontal, elevator ,vertical and rudder that might be why I did not need any. If I could do it all over I would have put the battery under the horizontal stabilizer. Steve From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Ross Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 4:36 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: W/B issues Steve, The manual states that the battery should be located in the aft section of the fuselage when using the 0-200. Your mount did not require any balast? John ----- Original Message ---- From: steve eccles <eccles@Chartermi.net> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 4:09:05 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: W/B issues John I was in the same situation only I was the builder planning to go with 912. Then I had a change of heart, after the wing sweep had already been set, and went with the 0-200 so I had to install the battery just behind the luggage compartment , not the optimal spot as I was worried about battery acid IF I were to have a hard landing or worse a crash. I ended up using a gel type battery ,no acid to worry about just the weight of the battery flying forward if something should happen. The battery is in a battery box that is bolted in quite well ( but a bear to get at) so all in all it worked out well and I have not been disappointed in the decision to use the 0-200. just my .02 Steve From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Ross Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 3:46 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: W/B issues Ladies and Gentlemen, I have purchased a Series 7 that is covered, painted, windscreen installed, and ready for an engine. The problem is that the aircraft was built with the weight of a 912 in mind. Therefore the wings are swept back the 1-1/2 degrees that the plans call for. I know some of you will think I am nuts, but I have a 0-200 in the corner ready to go. What adjustments need to be made to accommodate this heavy engine. If I can get the c/g where it needs to be, will the plane be handle well enough with the reverse wing sweep? The battery is already mounted to the front of the firewall and I don't necessarily like the idea of moving it to the rear. But if it needs to be done, I will do it. Any replies would be helpful. Thanks in advance. John Ross Green Bay, WI. Series 7, O-200? http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List http://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com/> http://www.matronics.com/contribution D======================== ========= D======================== ========= D======================== ========= D======================== =========


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    Time: 04:12:50 PM PST US
    From: patrick reilly <patreilly43@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Re: W/B issues
    John & Deb, Thanks for the info. See you in Oshkosh.Do not archive Pat Reilly mod 3 582 Rebuild Rockford, IL From: jdmcbean@kitfoxaircraft.comTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: W/B issuesDate: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:23:47 -0600 Pat, The wing sweep came into existence with the Series 5 aircraft w hen installing the heavier certified engines (O-200, IO-240 and Lycoming O- 235) The earlier models typically had a zero degree sweep. Fly Safe !!John & Debra McBeanPh 208.337.5111www.kitfoxaircraft.com "The Sk y is not the Limit... It's a Playground" From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-serv er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of patrick reillySent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 9:29 AMTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: W/B issu es Kitfoxers, I am rebuilding a Mod 3 that originally was built with a 912. I am installing a 582. I already have moved the battery box to behind the fir ewall from behind the seat. I know I will need to do a weight and balance w hen I finish. Now I hear different engines (weight ) require different "win g sweep". Will I need to alter my wing mounts to accomodate the 582. Why do different engines require different wing sweep? Is it because the heavier engine is so much heavier that weight and balance can not be brought into s pec without changing center of lift by sweeping wings farther forward? I th ink I have answered my own question here. I didn't really understand differ ent wing sweep requirements until I formulated this question. I still would n't mind confirmation of "wing sweep" characteristics. And, wonder if the b uilding of the original kit called for different wing sweep for 912 vs. 582 engines? Or, if Mod 3 wing sweep was same for 912 and 582. Datum point or W/B spec would not be same with different wing sweep, right? Pat ReillyMod 3 582 RebuildRockford, IL> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: W/B issues> From: n85a e@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 07:37:08 -0700> To: kitfox-list@matroni have an IO-240B, with 1 degree forward sweep. I have a battery plus> balla st in the tail. Without the wing sweep I think balance might be a > real pr oblem with my engine.> > I think it is possible to change the wing sweep if you use the cuffs that > I think Murle Williams was selling. > > Regards,> Jeff.> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com /viewtopic.php?p=189749#189749> > > &============ ============> > > http://www.matronics.com/contri 8 - Release Date: 6/25/2008 9:46 AM


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    Time: 06:02:21 PM PST US
    From: "Michael Logan" <michael.logan@cox.net>
    Subject: outlet port
    If you flew with your flaps down, you would get fuel starvation with six gallons in each tank. Don't ask me how I know. Mike Logan Series 5 NSI -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of l.morris@tx.rr.com Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 1:50 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: outlet port Lynn- just found the info I was looking for,so will pass it on.It was in Service Letter #45 under Fuel Quanity and Unusable Fuel, para.2.From the way I read it,the older fuel tanks prior to 1 Sep 95 hadthe fuel outlet fittings at the rear of the tank which can cause fuel starvation during long, steep, high-speed descents withthe tanks low on fuel.Evidently there was a retrofit kit from the "Old" company that would relocate the outlet ports to reduce their unusable fuel quanity by about 2 1/2 gallons in a cruise attitude. Good news for those flustrated fighter pilots types. It was part # 10678.000 and sold for $87.50 per tank back in 1995. I did get a set of fuel gauges from Merle Williams.--- Leon Morris ---- Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote: > > Leon- > Aren't there any outlet ports right now? Mine are near the rear of > the tank, as low as seems possible, but they were there when I got > the tanks. Somebody will have the answer from their unmounted tanks, > but if not, I can measure mine. > > I just looked at the pictures in the builders manual...pictures are > better than my memory....and they show the outlets to be in the very > back, inside lower corner. You'll have to carve out a notch in the > butt rib for the outlet fitting, and be sure to install a finger > strainer...MOST important! Also, if you haven't already, get a set of > fuel gauges from John McBean and install them. I'm pretty sure I got > mine after I installed the tanks, but it might be easier to do it > beforehand. > Disclaimer: Mine are the 13-gallon fiberglas tanks, so yours might be > different. > > Lynn Matteson > Kitfox IV Speedster > Jabiru 2200 > Status: flying w/538 hrs > > > > > On Jun 24, 2008, at 2:15 PM, <l.morris@tx.rr.com> wrote: > > > > > I'm hoping someone can jog my memory, need to quite drinking > > that cheap wine. I have a good memory but it's not very long. > > Anyway, came across a "note to self" out in the shop " Check on > > outlet port location on fuel tanks. May need to get a retrofit > > kit." I went thru all my Kifox literature, letters and bulletins > > and find any reference for this. Does anyone have a clue? Leon > > Morris/Classic 4 Speedster/65%/Flower Mound, TX > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 06:34:16 PM PST US
    From: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: Wing Sweep & W/B issues
    Thanks, that is really good to know John. Dee Young Model II N345DY Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: jdmcbean<mailto:jdmcbean@kitfoxaircraft.com> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 3:26 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Wing Sweep & W/B issues There are other factors involved.. and it was never an "Approved" or "Suggested" modification to the earlier models. Especially the 1, 2 or 3's. Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean Ph 208.337.5111 www.kitfoxaircraft.com<http://www.kitfoxaircraft.com/> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@ma tronics.com> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dee Young Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 2:45 PM To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: Kitfox-List: Wing Sweep & W/B issues Then from what I have read it sounds as though mounting a heavier engine in an earlier model KF is possible if the wing sweep is changed and a mew W&B completed. Is that correct? Dee Young Model II N345DY KFM 112 ----- Original Message ----- From: jdmcbean<mailto:jdmcbean@kitfoxaircraft.com> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 1:23 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: W/B issues Pat, The wing sweep came into existence with the Series 5 aircraft when installing the heavier certified engines (O-200, IO-240 and Lycoming O-235) The earlier models typically had a zero degree sweep. Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean Ph 208.337.5111 www.kitfoxaircraft.com<http://www.kitfoxaircraft.com/> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c Release Date: 6/25/2008 9:46 AM http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List<http://www.matronics.com/N avigator?Kitfox-List> http://www.matronics.com/contribution<http://www.matronics.com/contributi on>




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