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     1. 02:43 AM - Re: Off Topic: Space Station----truly awesome pictures (grcolquhoun@xtra.co.nz)
     2. 05:33 AM - Re: Why do I have a flap handle? Model 2 (Jeffrey Dill)
     3. 05:35 AM - Re: Kitfox 914 fuel pressure monitoring (Lynn Matteson)
     4. 05:57 AM - Re: Kitfox 914 fuel pressure monitoring (K&MCozik)
     5. 07:00 AM - Re: Keith Schneider are you there (n61kf)
     6. 07:07 AM - N2BH Sold! (RAY Gignac)
     7. 07:39 AM - Re: W/B issues (n85ae)
     8. 08:15 AM - Model 2 fuel gauge (Bob Brennan)
     9. 08:34 AM - Re: Re: W/B issues (patrick reilly)
    10. 08:48 AM - Re: Model 2 fuel gauge (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
    11. 10:52 AM - Re: outlet port ()
    12. 10:54 AM - Re: Model 2 fuel gauge (corbob13)
    13. 12:26 PM - Re: Re: W/B issues (jdmcbean)
    14. 01:04 PM - Rotax 912ul sn 3792647 (Pete Christensen)
    15. 01:48 PM - Wing Sweep & W/B issues (Dee Young)
    16. 02:34 PM - Re: Wing Sweep & W/B issues (jdmcbean)
    17. 03:43 PM - Re: W/B issues (steve eccles)
    18. 04:12 PM - Re: Re: W/B issues (patrick reilly)
    19. 06:02 PM - Re: outlet port (Michael Logan)
    20. 06:34 PM - Re: Wing Sweep & W/B issues (Dee Young)
 
 
 
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| Subject:  | Re: Off Topic: Space Station----truly awesome pictures | 
      
      Wow - great pictures.
      
      New Zealand below the space station - southern half of North island
      and northern half of south island  second frame thanks
      Skystar  Vixon
      Thanks for sending the pics - they are great!
      
      
      On 22/06/2008, at 4:37 AM, Marco Menezes wrote:
      
      > Wow!
      >> After you open the link be sure and hit the F11 button, makes the  
      >> pictures
      >> high def.!
      >>
      >> Some of these picture will take your breath away...
      >>
      >>
      >> They are the best I have seen.
      >>
      >> These are just in from the current (just landed) space mission. These 
      
      >> pixs
      >> are so good that it makes one feel as if you are there taking the  
      >> pictures.
      >> Maximize your viewing area by hitting the F11 button and enjoy.....
      >>
      >> -http://www.texasjim.com/NASApix/NASA%20pix.htm
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| Subject:  | Re: Why do I have a flap handle? Model 2 | 
      
      
      Over-analyzing again; I plead guilty. It occurred to me that the minimum flap drag
      at cruise speed is probably synonymous  with the point of least resistance
      for the flaps. In other words, if I relax the torque on the flap handle bolt
      to the point where it no longer stays where I put it, the flaps will fair to the
      point of least resistance (for the flaps, not necessarily the airplane as a
      whole). I can mark where they go at cruise speed and that ought to be the least
      drag setting for the flaps, and I suspect the airplane as a whole.
      
      --------
      Jeff Dill
      Model 2, 767JD
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189727#189727
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Kitfox 914 fuel pressure monitoring | 
      
      
      NOW you're talking, Kevin.  : )
      
      Lynn Matteson
      Kitfox IV Speedster
      Jabiru 2200
      Status: flying w/538 hrs
      do not archive
      
      
      On Jun 24, 2008, at 10:34 PM, K&MCozik wrote:
      
      >
      >
      > Seriously considering an engine swap.  Maybe a 120 hp Jabiru?
      >
      > Can't wait to hear some of your performance numbers.  Hopefully  
      > your experience
      > with this engine will be much better.
      >
      > Kevin Cozik
      >
      >
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Kitfox 914 fuel pressure monitoring | 
      
      
      
      Sorry group, this was supposed to go to Darin.
      Kevin Cozik
      
      On Wed Jun 25  8:33 , Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> sent:
      
      >
      >NOW you're talking, Kevin.  : )
      >
      >Lynn Matteson
      >Kitfox IV Speedster
      >Jabiru 2200
      >Status: flying w/538 hrs
      >do not archive
      >
      >
      >On Jun 24, 2008, at 10:34 PM, K&MCozik wrote:
      >
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >> Seriously considering an engine swap.  Maybe a 120 hp Jabiru?
      >>
      >> Can't wait to hear some of your performance numbers.  Hopefully  
      >> your experience
      >> with this engine will be much better.
      >>
      >> Kevin Cozik
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >
      >
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Keith Schneider are you there | 
      
      
      Dave,  try this address:  n61kf@yahoo. com,  or 513-933-3591 days
      
      Thanks
      Keith Schneider
      
      do not archive
      
      --------
      Keith
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189742#189742
      
      
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      I just want to thank everyone on and off the list for the help over the yea
      rs when I needed it for my Kitfox!  I sold my fox to a new owner overseas. 
       I am not getting out of flying, just moving into a Sonex or RV.  Everyone 
      take care.
      
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      I have an IO-240B, with 1 degree forward sweep. I have a battery plus
      ballast in the tail. Without the wing sweep I think balance might be a 
      real problem with my engine.
      
      I think it is possible to change the wing sweep if you use the cuffs that 
      I think Murle Williams was selling. 
      
      Regards,
      Jeff.
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189749#189749
      
      
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| Subject:  | Model 2 fuel gauge | 
      
      
      My 1991 Model II has the plastic fuel tank behind the instrument panel with
      slits in the panel to see the fuel level. Over time the tank has yellowed
      and is pretty much the color of the fuel, so it is pretty difficult, to
      nearly impossible, to see the level.
      
      The obvious question - is there a fuel gauge retrofit of any kind available?
      Putting a clear fuel "tube" on the panel, connected to the top and bottom of
      the tank, is what comes to mind. Does anyone have a good solution, with
      details?
      
      Bob Brennan
      1991 Model 2 Kitfox
      Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop 
      Wrightsville Pa
      
      
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      Kitfoxers, I am rebuilding a Mod 3 that originally was built with a 912. I 
      am installing a 582. I already have moved the battery box to behind the fir
      ewall from behind the seat. I know I will need to do a weight and balance w
      hen I finish. Now I hear different engines (weight ) require different "win
      g sweep". Will I need to alter my wing mounts to accomodate the 582. Why do
       different engines require different wing sweep? Is it because the heavier 
      engine is so much heavier that weight and balance can not be brought into s
      pec without changing center of lift by sweeping wings farther forward? I th
      ink I have answered my own question here. I didn't really understand differ
      ent wing sweep requirements until I formulated this question. I still would
      n't mind confirmation of "wing sweep" characteristics. And, wonder if the b
      uilding of the original kit called for different wing sweep for 912 vs. 582
       engines? Or, if Mod 3 wing sweep was same for 912 and 582. Datum point or 
      W/B spec would not be same with different wing sweep, right?
      
      Pat Reilly
      Mod 3 582 Rebuild
      Rockford, IL> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: W/B issues> From: n85ae@yahoo.com> 
       Kitfox-List message posted by: "n85ae" <n85ae@yahoo.com>> > I have an IO-2
      40B, with 1 degree forward sweep. I have a battery plus> ballast in the tai
      l. Without the wing sweep I think balance might be a > real problem with my
       engine.> > I think it is possible to change the wing sweep if you use the 
      cuffs that > I think Murle Williams was selling. > > Regards,> Jeff.> > > >
       > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.ph
      =============> > > 
      
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| Subject:  | Model 2 fuel gauge | 
      
      
      On my B model Avid, I put a T in the fuel line under the tank and ran a cle
      ar plastic hose up the door post on the left side.  The fuel seeks it's own
       level and so I can see the fuel level in the hose.  I added fuel one gallo
      n at a time and marked that level so I see the fuel amount there.  The hose
       is open at the top though so if I rolled the plane onto it's top I would h
      ave fuel comming out of it which would not be good.  If you wnted to drill 
      a hole in the tank near the top, you could put the hose into that hole with
       the right rubber seal in the hole.  Hope this helps,  Jim Chuk  Avids,  Ki
      tfox 4  Mn> From: matronics@bob.brennan.name> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
      > Subject: Kitfox-List: Model 2 fuel gauge> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:11:54
      rennan.name>> > My 1991 Model II has the plastic fuel tank behind the instr
      ument panel with> slits in the panel to see the fuel level. Over time the t
      ank has yellowed> and is pretty much the color of the fuel, so it is pretty
       difficult, to> nearly impossible, to see the level.> > The obvious questio
      n - is there a fuel gauge retrofit of any kind available?> Putting a clear 
      fuel "tube" on the panel, connected to the top and bottom of> the tank, is 
      what comes to mind. Does anyone have a good solution, with> details?> > Bob
       Brennan> 1991 Model 2 Kitfox> Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop > Wrightsville P
      -========================
      ==> > > 
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          Lynn- just found the info I was looking for,so will pass it on.It was in Service
      Letter #45 under Fuel Quanity and Unusable Fuel, para.2.From the way I read
      it,the older fuel tanks prior to 1 Sep 95 hadthe fuel outlet fittings at the
      rear of the tank which can cause fuel starvation during long, steep, high-speed
      descents withthe tanks low on fuel.Evidently there was a retrofit kit from
      the "Old" company that would relocate the outlet ports to reduce their unusable
      fuel quanity by about 2 1/2 gallons in a cruise attitude. Good news for those
      flustrated fighter pilots types. It was part # 10678.000 and sold for $87.50
      per tank back in 1995. I did get a set of fuel gauges from Merle Williams.---
      Leon Morris  
      ---- Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote: 
      > 
      > Leon-
      > Aren't there any outlet ports right now? Mine are near the rear of  
      > the tank, as low as seems possible, but they were there when I got  
      > the tanks. Somebody will have the answer from their unmounted tanks,  
      > but if not, I can measure mine.
      > 
      > I just looked at the pictures in the builders manual...pictures are  
      > better than my memory....and they show the outlets to be in the very  
      > back, inside lower corner. You'll have to carve out a notch in the  
      > butt rib for the outlet fitting, and be sure to install a finger  
      > strainer...MOST important! Also, if you haven't already, get a set of  
      > fuel gauges from John McBean and install them. I'm pretty sure I got  
      > mine after I installed the tanks, but it might be easier to do it  
      > beforehand.
      > Disclaimer: Mine are the 13-gallon fiberglas tanks, so yours might be  
      > different.
      > 
      > Lynn Matteson
      > Kitfox IV Speedster
      > Jabiru 2200
      > Status: flying w/538 hrs
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > On Jun 24, 2008, at 2:15 PM, <l.morris@tx.rr.com> wrote:
      > 
      > >
      > >    I'm hoping  someone can jog my memory, need to quite drinking  
      > > that cheap wine. I have a good memory but it's not very long.  
      > > Anyway, came across a "note to self" out in the shop " Check on  
      > > outlet port location on fuel tanks. May need to get a retrofit  
      > > kit." I went thru all my Kifox literature, letters and bulletins  
      > > and find any reference for this. Does anyone have a clue?   Leon  
      > > Morris/Classic 4 Speedster/65%/Flower Mound, TX
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Model 2 fuel gauge | 
      
      
      Bob,
      On my model II there's a light installed behind the tank near the sight gage. 
      To see the fuel level I flip a switch on the panel, the light comes on, and it's
      easy to see the level of the fuel.  I prefer this method to drilling holes
      in the tank then sealing tubes, etc. for fear of leaks.  
      
      Cory
      
      --------
      Cory
      
      N903DB
      Kitfox Model II, Rotax 582
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189783#189783
      
      
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      Pat,
      
                  The wing sweep came into existence with the Series 5 aircraft
      when installing the heavier certified engines (O-200, IO-240 and Lycoming
      O-235)  The earlier models typically had a zero degree sweep.
      
      
      Fly Safe !!
      John & Debra McBean
      Ph 208.337.5111
      www.kitfoxaircraft.com 
      "The Sky is not the Limit...  It's a Playground" 
      
      
        _____  
      
      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of patrick reilly
      Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 9:29 AM
      Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: W/B issues
      
      
      Kitfoxers, I am rebuilding a Mod 3 that originally was built with a 912. I
      am installing a 582. I already have moved the battery box to behind the
      firewall from behind the seat. I know I will need to do a weight and balance
      when I finish. Now I hear different engines (weight ) require different
      "wing sweep". Will I need to alter my wing mounts to accomodate the 582. Why
      do different engines require different wing sweep? Is it because the heavier
      engine is so much heavier that weight and balance can not be brought into
      spec without changing center of lift by sweeping wings farther forward? I
      think I have answered my own question here. I didn't really understand
      different wing sweep requirements until I formulated this question. I still
      wouldn't mind confirmation of "wing sweep" characteristics. And, wonder if
      the building of the original kit called for different wing sweep for 912 vs.
      582 engines? Or, if Mod 3 wing sweep was same for 912 and 582. Datum point
      or W/B spec would not be same with different wing sweep, right?
      
      Pat Reilly
      Mod 3 582 Rebuild
      Rockford, IL
      
      > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: W/B issues
      > From: n85ae@yahoo.com
      > Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 07:37:08 -0700
      > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
      > 
      > 
      > I have an IO-240B, with 1 degree forward sweep. I have a battery plus
      > ballast in the tail. Without the wing sweep I think balance might be a 
      > real problem with my engine.
      > 
      > I think it is possible to change the wing sweep if you use the cuffs that 
      > I think Murle Williams was selling. 
      > 
      > Regards,
      > Jeff.
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > Read this topic online here:
      > 
      > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189749#189749
      > 
      > 
      > 
      &=======================
      
      > 
      > 
      > 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Rotax 912ul sn 3792647 | 
      
      My Kitfox III has a 912ul sn 3792647 from about 1991 or 1992.  What 
      should I expect for TBO.  Should it be the same as newer 912's?
      
      Pete
      Hell Paso, TX
      
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| Subject:  | Wing Sweep & W/B issues | 
      
      Then from what I have read it sounds as though mounting a heavier engine 
      in an earlier model KF is possible if the wing sweep is changed and a 
      mew W&B completed.  Is that correct?
      
      Dee Young
      Model II
      N345DY
      KFM 112
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: jdmcbean<mailto:jdmcbean@kitfoxaircraft.com> 
        To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com> 
        Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 1:23 PM
        Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: W/B issues
      
      
        Pat,
      
                    The wing sweep came into existence with the Series 5 
      aircraft when installing the heavier certified engines (O-200, IO-240 
      and Lycoming O-235)  The earlier models typically had a zero degree 
      sweep.
      
         
      
        Fly Safe !!
        John & Debra McBean
        Ph 208.337.5111
        www.kitfoxaircraft.com<http://www.kitfoxaircraft.com/> 
        "The Sky is not the Limit...  It's a Playground" 
      
         
      
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| Subject:  | Wing Sweep & W/B issues | 
      
      There are other factors involved.. and it was never an "Approved" or
      "Suggested" modification to the earlier models.  Especially the 1, 2 or 3's.
      
      
      Fly Safe !!
      John & Debra McBean
      Ph 208.337.5111
      www.kitfoxaircraft.com 
      "The Sky is not the Limit...  It's a Playground" 
      
      
        _____  
      
      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dee Young
      Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 2:45 PM
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Wing Sweep & W/B issues
      
      
      Then from what I have read it sounds as though mounting a heavier engine in
      an earlier model KF is possible if the wing sweep is changed and a mew W&B
      completed.  Is that correct?
      
      
      Dee Young
      
      Model II
      
      N345DY
      
      KFM 112
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      
      From: jdmcbean <mailto:jdmcbean@kitfoxaircraft.com>  
      
      
      Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 1:23 PM
      
      Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: W/B issues
      
      
      Pat,
      
                  The wing sweep came into existence with the Series 5 aircraft
      when installing the heavier certified engines (O-200, IO-240 and Lycoming
      O-235)  The earlier models typically had a zero degree sweep.
      
      
      Fly Safe !!
      John & Debra McBean
      Ph 208.337.5111
      www.kitfoxaircraft.com 
      "The Sky is not the Limit...  It's a Playground" 
      
      
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      John
      
      I guess I should have mentioned that  have a series 5 and no to the ballast
      . I did install the speedster package on my 5 so I think because of the ribs
      that had to be installed on the , horizontal, elevator ,vertical and rudder
      that might be why I did not need any. If I could do it all over I would have
      put the battery under the horizontal stabilizer.
      
      Steve
      
      
      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Ross
      Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 4:36 PM
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: W/B issues
      
      
      Steve,
      
      The manual states that the battery should be located in the aft section of
      the fuselage when using the 0-200. Your mount did not require any balast?
      
      
      John
      
      
      ----- Original Message ----
      From: steve eccles <eccles@Chartermi.net>
      Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 4:09:05 PM
      Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: W/B issues
      
      John
      
      I was in the same situation only I was the builder planning to go with 912.
      Then I  had a change of heart, after the wing sweep had already been set,
      and went with the 0-200 so I had to install the battery just behind  the
      luggage compartment , not the optimal spot as I was worried about  battery
      acid IF I were to have a hard landing or worse a crash. I ended up using a
      gel type battery ,no acid to worry about just the weight of the battery
      flying forward if something should happen. The battery is in a battery box
      that is bolted in quite well ( but a bear to get at) so all in all it
      worked out well and I have not been disappointed in the decision to use the
      0-200. just my .02
      
      Steve
      
      
      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Ross
      Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 3:46 PM
      Subject: Kitfox-List: W/B issues
      
      
      Ladies and Gentlemen,
      
      I have purchased a Series 7 that is covered, painted, windscreen installed,
      and ready for an engine. The problem is that the aircraft was built with the
      weight of a 912 in mind. Therefore the wings are swept back the 1-1/2
      degrees that the plans call for. I know some of you will think I am nuts,
      but I have a 0-200 in the corner ready to go. What adjustments need to be
      made to accommodate this heavy engine. If I can get the c/g where it needs
      to be, will the plane be handle well enough with the reverse wing sweep? The
      battery is already mounted to the front of the firewall and I don't
      necessarily like the idea of moving it to the rear. But if it needs to be
      done, I will do it. Any replies would be helpful. Thanks in advance.
      
      
      John Ross
      
      Green Bay, WI.
      
      Series 7, O-200?  
      
      
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      John & Deb, Thanks for the info. See you in Oshkosh.Do not archive
      
      Pat Reilly
      mod 3 582 Rebuild
      Rockford, IL
      
      
      From: jdmcbean@kitfoxaircraft.comTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: 
      Kitfox-List: Re: W/B issuesDate: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:23:47 -0600
      
      
      Pat,
                  The wing sweep came into existence with the Series 5 aircraft w
      hen installing the heavier certified engines (O-200, IO-240 and Lycoming O-
      235)  The earlier models typically had a zero degree sweep.
      
      
      Fly Safe !!John & Debra McBeanPh 208.337.5111www.kitfoxaircraft.com "The Sk
      y is not the Limit...  It's a Playground" 
      
      
      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-serv
      er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of patrick reillySent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008
       9:29 AMTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: W/B issu
      es
      
      Kitfoxers, I am rebuilding a Mod 3 that originally was built with a 912. I 
      am installing a 582. I already have moved the battery box to behind the fir
      ewall from behind the seat. I know I will need to do a weight and balance w
      hen I finish. Now I hear different engines (weight ) require different "win
      g sweep". Will I need to alter my wing mounts to accomodate the 582. Why do
       different engines require different wing sweep? Is it because the heavier 
      engine is so much heavier that weight and balance can not be brought into s
      pec without changing center of lift by sweeping wings farther forward? I th
      ink I have answered my own question here. I didn't really understand differ
      ent wing sweep requirements until I formulated this question. I still would
      n't mind confirmation of "wing sweep" characteristics. And, wonder if the b
      uilding of the original kit called for different wing sweep for 912 vs. 582
       engines? Or, if Mod 3 wing sweep was same for 912 and 582. Datum point or 
      W/B spec would not be same with different wing sweep, right? Pat ReillyMod 
      3 582 RebuildRockford, IL> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: W/B issues> From: n85a
      e@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 07:37:08 -0700> To: kitfox-list@matroni
       have an IO-240B, with 1 degree forward sweep. I have a battery plus> balla
      st in the tail. Without the wing sweep I think balance might be a > real pr
      oblem with my engine.> > I think it is possible to change the wing sweep if
       you use the cuffs that > I think Murle Williams was selling. > > Regards,>
       Jeff.> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com
      /viewtopic.php?p=189749#189749> > > &============
      ============> > >   http://www.matronics.com/contri
      8 - Release Date: 6/25/2008 9:46 AM 
      
      
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      If you flew with your flaps down, you would get fuel starvation with six
      gallons in each tank.  Don't ask me how I know.
      
      Mike Logan 
      Series 5 NSI
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
      l.morris@tx.rr.com
      Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 1:50 PM
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: outlet port
      
      
          Lynn- just found the info I was looking for,so will pass it on.It was in
      Service Letter #45 under Fuel Quanity and Unusable Fuel, para.2.From the way
      I read it,the older fuel tanks prior to 1 Sep 95 hadthe fuel outlet fittings
      at the rear of the tank which can cause fuel starvation during long, steep,
      high-speed descents withthe tanks low on fuel.Evidently there was a retrofit
      kit from the "Old" company that would relocate the outlet ports to reduce
      their unusable fuel quanity by about 2 1/2 gallons in a cruise attitude.
      Good news for those flustrated fighter pilots types. It was part # 10678.000
      and sold for $87.50 per tank back in 1995. I did get a set of fuel gauges
      from Merle Williams.--- Leon Morris  
      ---- Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote: 
      > 
      > Leon-
      > Aren't there any outlet ports right now? Mine are near the rear of  
      > the tank, as low as seems possible, but they were there when I got  
      > the tanks. Somebody will have the answer from their unmounted tanks,  
      > but if not, I can measure mine.
      > 
      > I just looked at the pictures in the builders manual...pictures are  
      > better than my memory....and they show the outlets to be in the very  
      > back, inside lower corner. You'll have to carve out a notch in the  
      > butt rib for the outlet fitting, and be sure to install a finger  
      > strainer...MOST important! Also, if you haven't already, get a set of  
      > fuel gauges from John McBean and install them. I'm pretty sure I got  
      > mine after I installed the tanks, but it might be easier to do it  
      > beforehand.
      > Disclaimer: Mine are the 13-gallon fiberglas tanks, so yours might be  
      > different.
      > 
      > Lynn Matteson
      > Kitfox IV Speedster
      > Jabiru 2200
      > Status: flying w/538 hrs
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > On Jun 24, 2008, at 2:15 PM, <l.morris@tx.rr.com> wrote:
      > 
      > >
      > >    I'm hoping  someone can jog my memory, need to quite drinking  
      > > that cheap wine. I have a good memory but it's not very long.  
      > > Anyway, came across a "note to self" out in the shop " Check on  
      > > outlet port location on fuel tanks. May need to get a retrofit  
      > > kit." I went thru all my Kifox literature, letters and bulletins  
      > > and find any reference for this. Does anyone have a clue?   Leon  
      > > Morris/Classic 4 Speedster/65%/Flower Mound, TX
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      
      
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      Thanks, that is really good to know John.
      
      Dee Young
      Model II
      N345DY
      
      Do not archive
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: jdmcbean<mailto:jdmcbean@kitfoxaircraft.com> 
        To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com> 
        Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 3:26 PM
        Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Wing Sweep & W/B issues
      
      
        There are other factors involved.. and it was never an "Approved" or 
      "Suggested" modification to the earlier models.  Especially the 1, 2 or 
      3's.
      
         
      
        Fly Safe !!
        John & Debra McBean
        Ph 208.337.5111
        www.kitfoxaircraft.com<http://www.kitfoxaircraft.com/> 
        "The Sky is not the Limit...  It's a Playground" 
      
         
      
      
      -------------------------------------------------------------------------
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        From: 
      owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@ma
      tronics.com> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf 
      Of Dee Young
        Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 2:45 PM
        To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
        Subject: Kitfox-List: Wing Sweep & W/B issues
      
         
      
        Then from what I have read it sounds as though mounting a heavier 
      engine in an earlier model KF is possible if the wing sweep is changed 
      and a mew W&B completed.  Is that correct?
      
         
      
        Dee Young
      
        Model II
      
        N345DY
      
        KFM 112
      
          ----- Original Message ----- 
      
          From: jdmcbean<mailto:jdmcbean@kitfoxaircraft.com> 
      
          To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com> 
      
          Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 1:23 PM
      
          Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: W/B issues
      
           
      
          Pat,
      
                      The wing sweep came into existence with the Series 5 
      aircraft when installing the heavier certified engines (O-200, IO-240 
      and Lycoming O-235)  The earlier models typically had a zero degree 
      sweep.
      
           
      
          Fly Safe !!
          John & Debra McBean
          Ph 208.337.5111
          www.kitfoxaircraft.com<http://www.kitfoxaircraft.com/> 
          "The Sky is not the Limit...  It's a Playground" 
      
           
      
      
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