---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 06/27/08: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 10:52 AM - Safety Wire (Bob Brennan) 2. 11:18 AM - Re: Safety Wire (Rick Frederick) 3. 11:22 AM - Re: Safety Wire (steve eccles) 4. 11:41 AM - Rudder pulley's (Clint Bazzill) 5. 11:54 AM - Re: Safety Wire (n85ae) 6. 12:34 PM - Re: Safety Wire (Bob Brennan) 7. 12:41 PM - Re: Rudder pulley's (Lynn Matteson) 8. 01:24 PM - Re: Re: Safety Wire (Rick Frederick) 9. 01:33 PM - Re: Rudder pulley's (jdmcbean) 10. 01:33 PM - Re: Re: Safety Wire (Bob Brennan) 11. 02:46 PM - Re: Rudder pulley's (Lynn Matteson) 12. 06:20 PM - Re: Safety Wire (vetdrem) 13. 06:53 PM - Re: Rudder seems stiff (nick4853) 14. 06:57 PM - Re: Re: Safety Wire (Bob Brennan) 15. 10:36 PM - 912S Oil and Coolant (wadegreaves) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 10:52:02 AM PST US From: "Bob Brennan" Subject: Kitfox-List: Safety Wire Hi all, I am doing some repairs that require undoing some "safety wire". Where does one get replacement "safety wire" and if it's at the local hardware store what are the specs? I also notice that the existing wire is *very* neatly twisted and tucked away, is there a special tool for this or was the builder just really good with pliers? Thanks in advance, Bob Brennan 1991 Model 2 Kitfox Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:18:49 AM PST US From: "Rick Frederick" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Safety Wire Hi Bob , There are many sources for safety wire and pliers. I got mine from spruce: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/wireTwister.php http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/safetywire.php The size of wire depends on your application. Hope this helps, Regards, Rick Kitfox IV/ 912ul 50% ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Brennan To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 1:48 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Safety Wire Hi all, I am doing some repairs that require undoing some "safety wire". Where does one get replacement "safety wire" and if it's at the local hardware store what are the specs? I also notice that the existing wire is *very* neatly twisted and tucked away, is there a special tool for this or was the builder just really good with pliers? Thanks in advance, Bob Brennan 1991 Model 2 Kitfox Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:22:43 AM PST US From: "steve eccles" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Safety Wire Aircraft Spruce ,, Aviall, local airport , From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Brennan Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 12:49 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Safety Wire Hi all, I am doing some repairs that require undoing some "safety wire". Where does one get replacement "safety wire" and if it's at the local hardware store what are the specs? I also notice that the existing wire is *very* neatly twisted and tucked away, is there a special tool for this or was the builder just really good with pliers? Thanks in advance, Bob Brennan 1991 Model 2 Kitfox Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:41:04 AM PST US From: Clint Bazzill Subject: Kitfox-List: Rudder pulley's Does anyone know the number of the rudder pulley for the Model IV? ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:54:45 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Safety Wire From: "n85ae" Safety wire pliers are not needed at all, I did Zillions without any in the Navy once you get the technique you will find that you can hand twist very easily. Less chance of breaking the wire as well. It's great for building callouses as well. The cost of the pliers just to maintain a single small plane isn't worth it. The wire does not need to be guitar string tight, it just needs to be snug enough to prevent the fastener from coming undone. Regards, Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=190135#190135 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:34:56 PM PST US From: "Bob Brennan" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Safety Wire Thanks Rick, I have ordered the special pliers and both sizes of 25ft wire, cheap enough. Bob Brennan 1991 Model 2 Kitfox Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Frederick Sent: 27 June 2008 2:16 pm Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Safety Wire Hi Bob , There are many sources for safety wire and pliers. I got mine from spruce: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/wireTwister.php http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/safetywire.php The size of wire depends on your application. Hope this helps, Regards, Rick Kitfox IV/ 912ul 50% ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Brennan Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 1:48 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Safety Wire Hi all, I am doing some repairs that require undoing some "safety wire". Where does one get replacement "safety wire" and if it's at the local hardware store what are the specs? I also notice that the existing wire is *very* neatly twisted and tucked away, is there a special tool for this or was the builder just really good with pliers? Thanks in advance, Bob Brennan 1991 Model 2 Kitfox Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhref "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:41:25 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rudder pulley's Yes. Oh, I'll bet you wanted to KNOW the number, eh Clint? Sorry, I couldn't resist...my parts book shows it to be 93015.000. Now that is Skystar's part number, but in the description of the part it is "Pulley ; A223 / Rudder Cable Guide" Spruce shows a #A223 as "with plain phenolic bore..." I'd go to their page 143 and check it out before buying to be sure it's the same size, because SS might have "switched boats in the middle of the stream." John McBean probably has them, and would know if a change had been made. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200 Status: flying w/538 hrs On Jun 27, 2008, at 2:38 PM, Clint Bazzill wrote: > Does anyone know the number of the rudder pulley for the Model IV?_ ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:24:08 PM PST US From: "Rick Frederick" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Safety Wire Hi Bob, Jeff is absolutely correct. You can do a very nice job of twisting safety wire without the special pliers (probably using some tool to clamp the wire ends; like vice grips). I should have prefaced my post by saying that I am a novice and mostly do work on my Mooney and now building my Kitfox. I happen to find the cost of the pliers well worth it, i think i paid about $20 for mine and it came with 2 spools of wire. Regards, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "n85ae" Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 2:52 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Safety Wire > > Safety wire pliers are not needed at all, I did Zillions without any in > the > Navy once you get the technique you will find that you can hand twist > very easily. Less chance of breaking the wire as well. It's great for > building callouses as well. The cost of the pliers just to maintain a > single small plane isn't worth it. > > The wire does not need to be guitar string tight, it just needs to be snug > enough to prevent the fastener from coming undone. > > Regards, > Jeff > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=190135#190135 > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:33:17 PM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Rudder pulley's 93015.000 in stock.. $4.51 Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean Ph 208.337.5111 www.kitfoxaircraft.com "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clint Bazzill Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 12:39 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Rudder pulley's Does anyone know the number of the rudder pulley for the Model IV? ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:33:45 PM PST US From: "Bob Brennan" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Safety Wire I am more than a novice, at least when it comes to doing repairs on an aircraft, this being my first encounter with safety wires. I am no novice to safety though, and when I see neatly twisted and tucked SAFETY wires I do my best to make sure my replacement is at least as good. And SAFE! -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Frederick Sent: 27 June 2008 4:21 pm Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Safety Wire Hi Bob, Jeff is absolutely correct. You can do a very nice job of twisting safety wire without the special pliers (probably using some tool to clamp the wire ends; like vice grips). I should have prefaced my post by saying that I am a novice and mostly do work on my Mooney and now building my Kitfox. I happen to find the cost of the pliers well worth it, i think i paid about $20 for mine and it came with 2 spools of wire. Regards, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "n85ae" Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 2:52 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Safety Wire > > Safety wire pliers are not needed at all, I did Zillions without any in > the > Navy once you get the technique you will find that you can hand twist > very easily. Less chance of breaking the wire as well. It's great for > building callouses as well. The cost of the pliers just to maintain a > single small plane isn't worth it. > > The wire does not need to be guitar string tight, it just needs to be snug > enough to prevent the fastener from coming undone. > > Regards, > Jeff > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=190135#190135 > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:46:49 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rudder pulley's There ya go, Clint....right from the preferred source, and without all the smart-alec remarks from the listers....(me). : ) Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200 Status: flying w/538 hrs do not archive On Jun 27, 2008, at 4:28 PM, jdmcbean wrote: > 93015.000 in stock.. $4.51 > > > Fly Safe !! > John & Debra McBean > Ph 208.337.5111 > www.kitfoxaircraft.com > "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" > > > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox- > list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clint Bazzill > Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 12:39 PM > To: Kitfox list > Subject: Kitfox-List: Rudder pulley's > > > Does anyone know the number of the rudder pulley for the Model IV? > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-Listhttp:// > forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution > 270.4.1/1521 - Release Date: 6/26/2008 11:20 AM_- > ============================================================ _- > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List_- > ============================================================ _- > forums.matronics.com_- > ============================================================ _- > contribution_- > =========================================================== ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:20:51 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Safety Wire From: "vetdrem" Pretty is nice, but if it isn't done correctly, you might as well not do it. Here is a link that does a pretty good job of showing the correct way to safety wire things. http://www.whizwheels.com/Tips/safetywiring.html It REALLY is important to do it right. Louie model 3 912ul soon to be on aerocet 1100 amphibs Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=190180#190180 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:53:21 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Rudder seems stiff From: "nick4853" Thanks for all the suggestions. I Jacked the tail up everything seemed pretty easy and smooth no noticeable binding or friction. I took the pedals off and gusseted with 4130. Going to install tomorrow. After I took the pedals off I was able to pull the rudder easily with my hands using the cables. Another question What should I lubricate the rudder pedal pivot bushings with? -------- kitfox !V-1200 Rotax 912ul Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=190185#190185 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:57:11 PM PST US From: "Bob Brennan" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Safety Wire Thanks Louie - that link is excellent and I couldn't agree more about doing the job as best as possible. Bob Brennan 1991 Model 2 Kitfox Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of vetdrem Sent: 27 June 2008 9:18 pm Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Safety Wire Pretty is nice, but if it isn't done correctly, you might as well not do it. Here is a link that does a pretty good job of showing the correct way to safety wire things. http://www.whizwheels.com/Tips/safetywiring.html It REALLY is important to do it right. Louie model 3 912ul soon to be on aerocet 1100 amphibs Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=190180#190180 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:36:17 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: 912S Oil and Coolant From: "wadegreaves" About ready to fire up my 912S. Even though Rotax publishes a list of recommended oils, what are people using that are the most readily available without having to have them shipped? Looking for one of the ones on the list that can be bought at the auto parts store level (Napa, etc...) Also, the same question goes for coolant. Thanks! 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