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1. 04:52 AM - Re: Radiator scoop (Catz631@aol.com)
2. 06:14 AM - Re: Radiator scoop (pperrynas)
3. 06:34 AM - Airwothiness Certificate / inspection (Bob Brennan)
4. 06:53 AM - Performance stats for a Model II (Bob Brennan)
5. 06:57 AM - Re: Airwothiness Certificate / inspection (dcsfoto)
6. 07:03 AM - Re: Performance stats for a Model II (Bob Brennan)
7. 07:34 AM - Re: Radiator scoop (jdmcbean)
8. 08:22 AM - Re: Airwothiness Certificate / inspection (paul wilson)
9. 08:34 AM - Re: Re: Radiator scoop (Rick Frederick)
10. 08:38 AM - Re: Re: Radiator scoop (Lynn Matteson)
11. 08:56 AM - Re: Re: Radiator scoop (Marco Menezes)
12. 09:03 AM - Re: Airwothiness Certificate / inspection (Marco Menezes)
13. 09:05 AM - Re: Airwothiness Certificate / inspection (Bob Brennan)
14. 09:08 AM - Re: Radiator scoop (dave)
15. 09:12 AM - Re: Performance stats for a Model II (Marco Menezes)
16. 09:13 AM - Re: Performance stats for a Model II (dave)
17. 09:18 AM - Re: Airwothiness Certificate / inspection (Bob Brennan)
18. 09:27 AM - Re: Re: Radiator scoop (Michael Gibbs)
19. 09:40 AM - Re: Re: Radiator scoop (Rick Frederick)
20. 10:13 AM - Re: Airwothiness Certificate / inspection (Bob Brennan)
21. 11:42 AM - Re: Airwothiness Certificate / inspection (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
22. 11:58 AM - Re: Airwothiness Certificate / inspection (Bob Brennan)
23. 11:59 AM - Re: Re: Performance stats for a Model II (Bob Brennan)
24. 12:16 PM - Cheng Shin Tires & Tubes (Lyle Persels)
25. 12:34 PM - Re: Performance stats for a Model II (Clint Bazzill)
26. 01:12 PM - Re: Cheng Shin Tires & Tubes (steve shinabery)
27. 01:22 PM - Re: Performance stats for a Model II (Bob Brennan)
28. 01:34 PM - Re: Cheng Shin Tires & Tubes (Rick)
29. 02:56 PM - Cheng Shin Tires (Dee Young)
30. 03:05 PM - Re: Cheng Shin Tires (Bob Brennan)
31. 05:16 PM - Throttle control (gary.algate@sandvik.com)
32. 05:22 PM - Re: Cheng Shin Tires (Dee Young)
33. 05:25 PM - Re: Performance stats for a Model II (Marco Menezes)
34. 05:36 PM - Re: Throttle control (John W. Hart)
35. 05:43 PM - Re: Cheng Shin Tires & Tubes (jdmcbean)
36. 06:08 PM - Hydraulic Lock (jeff puls)
37. 07:31 PM - Re: Hydraulic Lock (RAY Gignac)
38. 08:09 PM - Re: Cheng Shin Tires (steve shinabery)
39. 08:25 PM - Re: Cheng Shin Tires (steve shinabery)
40. 11:05 PM - Official Kitfox-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
41. 11:08 PM - Official Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: Radiator scoop |
Luis,
The radiator scoop is available from Kitfox and the wing cuffs are
available from Williams aircraft.
Dick Maddux
Fox 4
Pensacola,Fl
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| Subject: | Re: Radiator scoop |
I googled Williams Aircraft and didn't come up with a correct hit, do you have
their web site/e-mail or phone number?
Thanks, Paul Perry
KF IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
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| Subject: | Airwothiness Certificate / inspection |
This is a question I think I know the answer to but others have expressed
varied opinions, so I am asking the group - all of whom have had to deal
with it.
Does a Kitfox Model II, built and brought in from the UK where it was
inspected and airworthy, need an annual Airworthiness Certificate here in
the US? I am not the builder, I am not a registered mechanic, but I do all
my own work on the airplane.
I am visiting my local very experienced DAR tomorrow and even he doesn't
know. The owner/operator of my local airstrip says no. My understanding of
FAA regulations is that a licensed A&P mechanic can sign my logbook
annually, no "certificate" necessary? I know (think?) that I could enter an
annual inspection in the logbook myself if I were the original builder.
Does anyone have a definitive answer or experience? I have the feeling even
my DAR isn't sure who to ask or where to look, I know the local FAA office
sure didn't know.
Thanks in advance for any insight / experience. Personally I think that once
the airplane is registered in the US that all airworthiness certification
requirements should be the same as any US Kitfox.
BTW the DAR asked the question "are you certifcating it as Experimental or
Light Sport?" so apparently I have the choice(?) (subject of a previous
posting of mine).
Bob Brennan
1991 Model 2 Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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| Subject: | Performance stats for a Model II |
Hi all - I have a general question about the published performance stats for
my Model II, they don't seem to be realistic.
Specifically - the takeoff distance is listed as 75ft, landing roll as
100ft, both "solo". I've done some pretty quick off-the-grounders with a
good headwind and no fuel to speak of, but 75ft?(!) Is this possibly an
interpolated number for the aircraft at "empty" weight with no pilot or
fuel? Obviously performance specs differ for every pilot/plane combination
but I thought specs were for a typical 170(?)lb pilot at 0 MSL on a perfect
day. I'm not that far off 170lb (well, not TOO far that a gallon or 2 of gas
wouldn't make up for...)
Climb-out is listed as 1600fpm. In which parallel universe? I have achieved
900fpm sustained on a good day, alone, light fuel, and having recently
lightened my own load (I call it "dumping ballast").
I have tested Vne, stall speeds in various configurations, best angle and
best rate of climb, etc but not MTOW or max Gs, and have no intention of
doing so, but with takeoff/landing distances and rate-of-climb seemingly so
far off I have to wonder about the other stats.
Yes - the airplane is configured as stated in the performance data column
and the engine only had 80 hours since a complete overhaul so I don't think
age was a factor. The prop is a ground-adjustable type and was tested and
re-set early in flight testing although I don't know if the setting is for
optimal performance, that's the only thing I can think of.
Thanks in advance,
Bob Brennan
1991 Model 2 Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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| Subject: | Re: Airwothiness Certificate / inspection |
might be best to call me
David FAA/DAR
Model 3(912) Model 7(912S)
501 804 9285
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| Subject: | Performance stats for a Model II |
BTW I have read and understand everything in the document at
http://download.aopa.org/epilot/2008/8083-25-chap9.pdf which covers how
these stats are generated and how to achieve them.
I am just questioning the 75ft takeoff, 100ft landing, and mostly the
1600fpm climb numbers as something I would have to be *really* lucky or
**really** proficient to achieve, and on a normal day are many orders of
magnitude different.
_____
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Brennan
Sent: 01 July 2008 9:50 am
Subject: Kitfox-List: Performance stats for a Model II
Hi all - I have a general question about the published performance stats for
my Model II, they don't seem to be realistic.
Specifically - the takeoff distance is listed as 75ft, landing roll as
100ft, both "solo". I've done some pretty quick off-the-grounders with a
good headwind and no fuel to speak of, but 75ft?(!) Is this possibly an
interpolated number for the aircraft at "empty" weight with no pilot or
fuel? Obviously performance specs differ for every pilot/plane combination
but I thought specs were for a typical 170(?)lb pilot at 0 MSL on a perfect
day. I'm not that far off 170lb (well, not TOO far that a gallon or 2 of gas
wouldn't make up for...)
Climb-out is listed as 1600fpm. In which parallel universe? I have achieved
900fpm sustained on a good day, alone, light fuel, and having recently
lightened my own load (I call it "dumping ballast").
I have tested Vne, stall speeds in various configurations, best angle and
best rate of climb, etc but not MTOW or max Gs, and have no intention of
doing so, but with takeoff/landing distances and rate-of-climb seemingly so
far off I have to wonder about the other stats.
Yes - the airplane is configured as stated in the performance data column
and the engine only had 80 hours since a complete overhaul so I don't think
age was a factor. The prop is a ground-adjustable type and was tested and
re-set early in flight testing although I don't know if the setting is for
optimal performance, that's the only thing I can think of.
Thanks in advance,
Bob Brennan
1991 Model 2 Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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We also carry the wing cuffs.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
Ph 208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Catz631@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 5:50 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Radiator scoop
Luis,
The radiator scoop is available from Kitfox and the wing cuffs are
available from Williams aircraft.
Dick Maddux
Fox 4
Pensacola,Fl
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| Subject: | Re: Airwothiness Certificate / inspection |
Your questions are best answered by the EAA. They have legal staff
that deal with the FAA regs. and can counsel your DAR as to how to
proceed for this rare issue. Join then get the the web site and ask
your question. The last time I had an unusual question I got a return
message followed by a letter as to how to deal with the FAA. The
email and letter had inputs from several EAA experts. Great service
and I really think they do a good job.
Regards, Paul
=======
At 07:25 AM 7/1/2008, you wrote:
>This is a question I think I know the answer to but others have
>expressed varied opinions, so I am asking the group - all of whom
>have had to deal with it.
>
>Does a Kitfox Model II, built and brought in from the UK where it
>was inspected and airworthy, need an annual Airworthiness
>Certificate here in the US? I am not the builder, I am not a
>registered mechanic, but I do all my own work on the airplane.
>
>I am visiting my local very experienced DAR tomorrow and even he
>doesn't know. The owner/operator of my local airstrip says no. My
>understanding of FAA regulations is that a licensed A&P mechanic can
>sign my logbook annually, no "certificate" necessary? I know
>(think?) that I could enter an annual inspection in the logbook
>myself if I were the original builder.
>
>Does anyone have a definitive answer or experience? I have the
>feeling even my DAR isn't sure who to ask or where to look, I know
>the local FAA office sure didn't know.
>
>Thanks in advance for any insight / experience. Personally I think
>that once the airplane is registered in the US that all
>airworthiness certification requirements should be the same as any US Kitfox.
>
>BTW the DAR asked the question "are you certifcating it as
>Experimental or Light Sport?" so apparently I have the choice(?)
>(subject of a previous posting of mine).
>
>Bob Brennan
>1991 Model 2 Kitfox
>Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
>Wrightsville Pa
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| Subject: | Re: Radiator scoop |
Hey Paul,
He is a little hard to find with google.
Here is the link:
http://sonoragraphics.com/williamsaviation/catalog.html
Rick Kitfox IV / 912ul
----- Original Message -----
From: "pperrynas" <pperryrph@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 9:12 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Radiator scoop
>
> I googled Williams Aircraft and didn't come up with a correct hit, do you
> have their web site/e-mail or phone number?
> Thanks, Paul Perry
> KF IV 1200
> Rotax 912UL
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=190689#190689
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Radiator scoop |
I'm not a moderator, nor do I play one on TV, but it might be a good
idea to offer up the address in our first response, instead of making
the original poster have to ask the obvious next question....it would
save a few postings...and I've been guilty of it too. : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying w/541 hrs
do not archive
On Jul 1, 2008, at 9:12 AM, pperrynas wrote:
> <pperryrph@sbcglobal.net>
>
> I googled Williams Aircraft and didn't come up with a correct hit,
> do you have their web site/e-mail or phone number?
> Thanks, Paul Perry
> KF IV 1200
> Rotax 912UL
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=190689#190689
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Radiator scoop |
Here's his phone number:
-
Myrle Williams Aviation (602) 978-0553
-
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Marco Menezes N99KX
Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1
--- On Tue, 7/1/08, pperrynas <pperryrph@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
From: pperrynas <pperryrph@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Radiator scoop
<pperryrph@sbcglobal.net>
I googled Williams Aircraft and didn't come up with a correct hit, do you
have their web site/e-mail or phone number?
Thanks, Paul Perry
KF IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=190689#190689
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| Subject: | Re: Airwothiness Certificate / inspection |
I don't know whether your Brit AW cert transfers. I suspect not. You'll pro
bably need a one-time airworthiness inspection from FAA inspector-or a DA
R to get a US-AW cert. Thereafter, you'll need to log a annual "condition
inspection." Since you're not the builder you can't get a repairman's cert
ificate to sign off yourself. It will have to be done, or at least signed o
ff on, -annually by a licensed A&P mechanic.
-
Marco Menezes N99KX
Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1
--- On Tue, 7/1/08, Bob Brennan <matronics@bob.brennan.name> wrote:
From: Bob Brennan <matronics@bob.brennan.name>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Airwothiness Certificate / inspection
This is a question I think I know the answer to but others have expressed v
aried opinions, so I am asking the group - all of whom have had to deal wit
h it.
Does a Kitfox Model II, built and brought in from the UK where it was inspe
cted and airworthy, need an annual Airworthiness Certificate here in the US
? I am not the builder, I am not a registered mechanic, but I do all my own
work on the airplane.
I am visiting my local very experienced DAR tomorrow and even he doesn't kn
ow. The owner/operator of my local airstrip says no. My understanding of FA
A regulations is that a licensed A&P mechanic can sign my logbook annually,
no "certificate" necessary? I know (think?) that I could enter an annual i
nspection in the logbook myself if I were the original builder.
Does anyone have a definitive answer or experience? I have the feeling even
my DAR isn't sure who to ask or where to look, I know the local FAA office
sure didn't know.
Thanks in advance for any insight / experience. Personally I think that onc
e the airplane is registered in the US that all airworthiness certification
requirements should be the same as any US Kitfox.
BTW the DAR asked the question "are you certifcating it as Experimental or
Light Sport?" so apparently I have the choice(?) (subject of a previous pos
ting of mine).
Bob Brennan
1991 Model 2 Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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| Subject: | Airwothiness Certificate / inspection |
Thanks Paul - I have spoken to a DAR on this list and he also recommended
that I need a form from the EAA. I have been a member of the EAA, and AOPA,
for many years but this is the first time I have heard about asking a
question on their site.
I have sent in my questions to the EAA and will post anything relevant I
find out on this thread.
Bob Brennan
1991 Model 2 Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of paul wilson
Sent: 01 July 2008 11:19 am
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Airwothiness Certificate / inspection
Your questions are best answered by the EAA. They have legal staff
that deal with the FAA regs. and can counsel your DAR as to how to
proceed for this rare issue. Join then get the the web site and ask
your question. The last time I had an unusual question I got a return
message followed by a letter as to how to deal with the FAA. The
email and letter had inputs from several EAA experts. Great service
and I really think they do a good job.
Regards, Paul
=======
At 07:25 AM 7/1/2008, you wrote:
>This is a question I think I know the answer to but others have
>expressed varied opinions, so I am asking the group - all of whom
>have had to deal with it.
>
>Does a Kitfox Model II, built and brought in from the UK where it
>was inspected and airworthy, need an annual Airworthiness
>Certificate here in the US? I am not the builder, I am not a
>registered mechanic, but I do all my own work on the airplane.
>
>I am visiting my local very experienced DAR tomorrow and even he
>doesn't know. The owner/operator of my local airstrip says no. My
>understanding of FAA regulations is that a licensed A&P mechanic can
>sign my logbook annually, no "certificate" necessary? I know
>(think?) that I could enter an annual inspection in the logbook
>myself if I were the original builder.
>
>Does anyone have a definitive answer or experience? I have the
>feeling even my DAR isn't sure who to ask or where to look, I know
>the local FAA office sure didn't know.
>
>Thanks in advance for any insight / experience. Personally I think
>that once the airplane is registered in the US that all
>airworthiness certification requirements should be the same as any US
Kitfox.
>
>BTW the DAR asked the question "are you certifcating it as
>Experimental or Light Sport?" so apparently I have the choice(?)
>(subject of a previous posting of mine).
>
>Bob Brennan
>1991 Model 2 Kitfox
>Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
>Wrightsville Pa
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| Subject: | Re: Radiator scoop |
> kitfoxaircraf
> Guest
>
>
>
>
>
> Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:34 am Post subject: Radiator scoop
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> We also carry the wing cuffs
>
John, What can one expect on adding wing cuffs , rad scoop and or gas cap fairings.
I have a scoop on mine and I have a mold to make more but I not offering them.
I find that my cowl mods conjunctionion in fact lowered the operating temperature
more than anything.
I would like to see proof that speed gains on any of the above have been had.
My site has the cowl mods that worked well. The Kitfox cowl dumps hot engine air
right into the radiator as originally made.
--------
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Performance stats for a Model II |
Bob: In my experience, the 75-100 foot TO & landing are attainable but not
everyday. Climb at 1600 ft/min? . . . no way. 1200 is the best I've seen, s
olo, no breakfast and very low density altitude.
-
I did test MTOW and so should you, IMHO. The airplane feels alot different
near the ground when she's loaded up.
-
Marco Menezes N99KX
Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1
--- On Tue, 7/1/08, Bob Brennan <matronics@bob.brennan.name> wrote:
From: Bob Brennan <matronics@bob.brennan.name>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Performance stats for a Model II
Hi all - I have a general question about the published performance stats fo
r my Model II, they don't seem to be realistic.
-
Specifically - the takeoff distance is listed as 75ft, landing roll as 100f
t, both "solo". I've done some pretty quick off-the-grounders with a good h
eadwind and no fuel to speak of, but 75ft?(!) Is this possibly an interpola
ted number for the aircraft at "empty" weight with no pilot or fuel? Obviou
sly performance specs differ for every pilot/plane combination but I though
t specs were for a typical 170(?)lb pilot at 0 MSL on a perfect day. I'm no
t that far off 170lb (well, not TOO far that a gallon or 2 of gas wouldn't
make up for...)
-
Climb-out is listed as 1600fpm. In which parallel universe? I have achieved
900fpm sustained on a good day, alone, light fuel, and having recently lig
htened my own load (I call it "dumping ballast").
-
I have tested Vne, stall speeds in various configurations, best angle and b
est rate of climb, etc but not MTOW or max Gs, and have no intention of doi
ng so, but with takeoff/landing distances and rate-of-climb seemingly so fa
r off I have to wonder about the other stats.
-
Yes - the airplane is configured as stated in the performance data column a
nd the engine only-had 80 hours since a complete overhaul so I don't thin
k age was a factor. The prop is a ground-adjustable type and was tested and
re-set early in flight testing although I don't know if the setting is for
optimal performance, that's the only thing I can think of.
-
Thanks in advance,
-
Bob Brennan
1991 Model 2 Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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| Subject: | Re: Performance stats for a Model II |
Bob,
I have a Kitfox IV............. here are the videos for hands on no BS proof of what the Kitfox is capable of .. http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer
I do see 1200 FPM solo . and 100 foot take offs and cruise wioth 21" tires 90
to 92 MPH TAS I have read others here with the same plane taking 500 to
700 feet to take off. But I am the only one showing first hand it actually
happening.
Dave
--------
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
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| Subject: | Airwothiness Certificate / inspection |
Thanks Marco - The UK does not have an official "Airworthiness Certificate"
for what was registered as a Microlight - rather we have an annual "Permit
to Fly" issued by the PFA (Personal Flying Assoc) instead of the CAA (Civil
Aviation Authority); partially why I am so confused over this.
The "one-time" AW Certificate and annual condition inspections clears thing
up for me. I have spoken to a DAR and he thinks I can certificate it as an
Experiment Light Sport, take a short course to get a repairman's certificate
and then do the annual inspections myself. Apparently I can't do that if it
is certificated as Experimental.
Bob Brennan
1991 Model 2 Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
_____
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marco Menezes
Sent: 01 July 2008 12:00 pm
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Airwothiness Certificate / inspection
I don't know whether your Brit AW cert transfers. I suspect not. You'll
probably need a one-time airworthiness inspection from FAA inspector or a
DAR to get a US AW cert. Thereafter, you'll need to log a annual "condition
inspection." Since you're not the builder you can't get a repairman's
certificate to sign off yourself. It will have to be done, or at least
signed off on, annually by a licensed A&P mechanic.
Marco Menezes N99KX
Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1
--- On Tue, 7/1/08, Bob Brennan <matronics@bob.brennan.name> wrote:
From: Bob Brennan <matronics@bob.brennan.name>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Airwothiness Certificate / inspection
This is a question I think I know the answer to but others have expressed
varied opinions, so I am asking the group - all of whom have had to deal
with it.
Does a Kitfox Model II, built and brought in from the UK where it was
inspected and airworthy, need an annual Airworthiness Certificate here in
the US? I am not the builder, I am not a registered mechanic, but I do all
my own work on the airplane.
I am visiting my local very experienced DAR tomorrow and even he doesn't
know. The owner/operator of my local airstrip says no. My understanding of
FAA regulations is that a licensed A&P mechanic can sign my logbook
annually, no "certificate" necessary? I know (think?) that I could enter an
annual inspection in the logbook myself if I were the original builder.
Does anyone have a definitive answer or experience? I have the feeling even
my DAR isn't sure who to ask or where to look, I know the local FAA office
sure didn't know.
Thanks in advance for any insight / experience. Personally I think that once
the airplane is registered in the US that all airworthiness certification
requirements should be the same as any US Kitfox.
BTW the DAR asked the question "are you certifcating it as Experimental or
Light Sport?" so apparently I have the choice(?) (subject of a previous
posting of mine).
Bob Brennan
1991 Model 2 Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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| Subject: | Re: Radiator scoop |
Rick sez:
>Here is the link:
>http://sonoragraphics.com/williamsaviation/catalog.html
That will work, but Murle's web site is actually:
<http://murlewilliamsaviation.com>
Mike G.
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| Subject: | Re: Radiator scoop |
Thanks for the correction Mike!
Rick, Kitfox IV / 912ul / 50%
do not archive
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From: "Michael Gibbs" <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Radiator scoop
>
> Rick sez:
>
>>Here is the link:
>>http://sonoragraphics.com/williamsaviation/catalog.html
>
> That will work, but Murle's web site is actually:
>
> <http://murlewilliamsaviation.com>
>
> Mike G.
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| Subject: | Airwothiness Certificate / inspection |
EAA follow-up - I spoke with a gentleman at the EAA and he highly recommends
applying as Experimental Light Sport and then taking the 16 hour course to
get a repairman's certificate so I can sign off my own annual inspections.
I was lucky in that I got my N number last August, before the January
deadline for Light Sport applications. As an EAA member I can take advantage
of their exemption to certificate as Light Sport even after the deadline,
they will send me an exemption form to send with the Airworthiness
Certificate application.
Bob Brennan
UK 1991 Model 2 Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of paul wilson
Sent: 01 July 2008 11:19 am
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Airwothiness Certificate / inspection
Your questions are best answered by the EAA. They have legal staff
that deal with the FAA regs. and can counsel your DAR as to how to
proceed for this rare issue. Join then get the the web site and ask
your question. The last time I had an unusual question I got a return
message followed by a letter as to how to deal with the FAA. The
email and letter had inputs from several EAA experts. Great service
and I really think they do a good job.
Regards, Paul
=======
At 07:25 AM 7/1/2008, you wrote:
>This is a question I think I know the answer to but others have
>expressed varied opinions, so I am asking the group - all of whom
>have had to deal with it.
>
>Does a Kitfox Model II, built and brought in from the UK where it
>was inspected and airworthy, need an annual Airworthiness
>Certificate here in the US? I am not the builder, I am not a
>registered mechanic, but I do all my own work on the airplane.
>
>I am visiting my local very experienced DAR tomorrow and even he
>doesn't know. The owner/operator of my local airstrip says no. My
>understanding of FAA regulations is that a licensed A&P mechanic can
>sign my logbook annually, no "certificate" necessary? I know
>(think?) that I could enter an annual inspection in the logbook
>myself if I were the original builder.
>
>Does anyone have a definitive answer or experience? I have the
>feeling even my DAR isn't sure who to ask or where to look, I know
>the local FAA office sure didn't know.
>
>Thanks in advance for any insight / experience. Personally I think
>that once the airplane is registered in the US that all
>airworthiness certification requirements should be the same as any US
Kitfox.
>
>BTW the DAR asked the question "are you certifcating it as
>Experimental or Light Sport?" so apparently I have the choice(?)
>(subject of a previous posting of mine).
>
>Bob Brennan
>1991 Model 2 Kitfox
>Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
>Wrightsville Pa
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| Subject: | Airwothiness Certificate / inspection |
The EAA sends out info to it's members with a bunch of 1-800 # that you can
call with questions like this and actually talk to someone who probably ca
n answer you question. Jim Chuk Kitfox 4 mn> From: matronics@bob.brennan.
name> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Airwothiness
Certificate / inspection> Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 12:02:41 -0400> > --> Kitf
ox-List message posted by: "Bob Brennan" <matronics@bob.brennan.name>> > Th
anks Paul - I have spoken to a DAR on this list and he also recommended> th
at I need a form from the EAA. I have been a member of the EAA, and AOPA,>
for many years but this is the first time I have heard about asking a> ques
tion on their site. > > I have sent in my questions to the EAA and will pos
t anything relevant I> find out on this thread.> > Bob Brennan> 1991 Model
2 Kitfox> Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop> Wrightsville Pa> > -----Original Mes
sage-----> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com> [mailto:owner-kitf
ox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of paul wilson> Sent: 01 July 2008
11:19 am> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Airwothi
lson <pwmac@sisna.com>> > Your questions are best answered by the EAA. They
have legal staff > that deal with the FAA regs. and can counsel your DAR a
s to how to > proceed for this rare issue. Join then get the the web site a
nd ask > your question. The last time I had an unusual question I got a ret
urn > message followed by a letter as to how to deal with the FAA. The > em
ail and letter had inputs from several EAA experts. Great service > and I r
eally think they do a good job.> > Regards, Paul> ========>
At 07:25 AM 7/1/2008, you wrote:> > >This is a question I think I know the
answer to but others have > >expressed varied opinions, so I am asking the
group - all of whom > >have had to deal with it.> >> >Does a Kitfox Model
II, built and brought in from the UK where it > >was inspected and airworth
y, need an annual Airworthiness > >Certificate here in the US? I am not the
builder, I am not a > >registered mechanic, but I do all my own work on th
e airplane.> >> >I am visiting my local very experienced DAR tomorrow and e
ven he > >doesn't know. The owner/operator of my local airstrip says no. My
> >understanding of FAA regulations is that a licensed A&P mechanic can >
>sign my logbook annually, no "certificate" necessary? I know > >(think?) t
hat I could enter an annual inspection in the logbook > >myself if I were t
he original builder.> >> >Does anyone have a definitive answer or experienc
e? I have the > >feeling even my DAR isn't sure who to ask or where to look
, I know > >the local FAA office sure didn't know.> >> >Thanks in advance f
or any insight / experience. Personally I think > >that once the airplane i
s registered in the US that all > >airworthiness certification requirements
should be the same as any US> Kitfox.> >> >BTW the DAR asked the question
"are you certifcating it as > >Experimental or Light Sport?" so apparently
I have the choice(?) > >(subject of a previous posting of mine).> >> >Bob B
rennan> >1991 Model 2 Kitfox> >Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop> >Wrightsville P
=====> > >
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| Subject: | Airwothiness Certificate / inspection |
Thanks Jim, I have already spoken to an EAA representative (see my previous
posting that starts with "EAA follow-up") and received my Light Sport
exemption documentation. Boy they are good over there at the EAA, and well
worth the membership fee!
Bob Brennan
UK 1991 Model 2 Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim_and_Lucy
Chuk
Sent: 01 July 2008 2:40 pm
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Airwothiness Certificate / inspection
The EAA sends out info to it's members with a bunch of 1-800 # that you can
call with questions like this and actually talk to someone who probably can
answer you question. Jim Chuk Kitfox 4 mn
> From: matronics@bob.brennan.name
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Airwothiness Certificate / inspection
> Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 12:02:41 -0400
>
<matronics@bob.brennan.name>
>
> Thanks Paul - I have spoken to a DAR on this list and he also recommended
> that I need a form from the EAA. I have been a member of the EAA, and
AOPA,
> for many years but this is the first time I have heard about asking a
> question on their site.
>
> I have sent in my questions to the EAA and will post anything relevant I
> find out on this thread.
>
> Bob Brennan
> 1991 Model 2 Kitfox
> Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
> Wrightsville Pa
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of paul wilson
> Sent: 01 July 2008 11:19 am
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Airwothiness Certificate / inspection
>
>
> Your questions are best answered by the EAA. They have legal staff
> that deal with the FAA regs. and can counsel your DAR as to how to
> proceed for this rare issue. Join then get the the web site and ask
> your question. The last time I had an unusual question I got a return
> message followed by a letter as to how to deal with the FAA. The
> email and letter had inputs from several EAA experts. Great service
> and I really think they do a good job.
>
> Regards, Paul
> =======
> At 07:25 AM 7/1/2008, you wrote:
>
> >This is a question I think I know the answer to but others have
> >expressed varied opinions, so I am asking the group - all of whom
> >have had to deal with it.
> >
> >Does a Kitfox Model II, built and brought in from the UK where it
> >was inspected and airworthy, need an annual Airworthiness
> >Certificate here in the US? I am not the builder, I am not a
> >registered mechanic, but I do all my own work on the airplane.
> >
> >I am visiting my local very experienced DAR tomorrow and even he
> >doesn't know. The owner/operator of my local airstrip says no. My
> >understanding of FAA regulations is that a licensed A&P mechanic can
> >sign my logbook annually, no "certificate" necessary? I know
> >(think?) that I could enter an annual inspection in the logbook
> >myself if I were the original builder.
> >
> >Does anyone have a definitive answer or experience? I have the
> >feeling even my DAR isn't sure who to ask or where to look, I know
> >the local FAA office sure didn't know.
> >
> >Thanks in advance for any insight / experience. Personally I think
> >that once the airplane is registered in the US that all
> >airworthiness certification requirements should be the same as any US
> Kitfox.
> >
> >BTW the DAR asked the question "are you certifcating it as
> >Experimental or Light Sport?" so apparently I have the choice(?)
> >(subject of a previous posting of mine).
> >
> >Bob Brennan
> >1991 Model 2 Kitfox
> >Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
> >Wrightsville Pa
>
>
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>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Performance stats for a Model II |
Fantastic link Dave, thanks! I like the one who took off on the *width* of
the airstrip.
Bob Brennan
UK 1991 Model 2 Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dave
Sent: 01 July 2008 12:11 pm
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Performance stats for a Model II
Bob,
I have a Kitfox IV............. here are the videos for hands on no BS
proof of what the Kitfox is capable of ..
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer
I do see 1200 FPM solo . and 100 foot take offs and cruise wioth 21" tires
90 to 92 MPH TAS I have read others here with the same plane taking 500
to 700 feet to take off. But I am the only one showing first hand it
actually happening.
Dave
--------
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=190734#190734
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| Subject: | Cheng Shin Tires & Tubes |
I'm a little embarrassed to ask but I've lost my paperwork and I can't
find what I'm looking for in the archives.
I run the Kingfox (Cheng Shin) 21x12x8 tires on my model 4 and I like
them very much. I know many run them tubeless but I prefer tubes and
can't find a source. Can anyone help me?
Lyle Persels
Osceola, IA
KF-IV 1200 912ULS
450 Hrs
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| Subject: | Performance stats for a Model II |
I don't know where you are getting your information. My Kitfox Pilot's Gui
de says that a Model II 582 powered aircraft has a take off distance of 250
feet=2C landing ground roll of 250 feet and climb rate of 900 feet / minut
e.
Clint
From: matronics@bob.brennan.nameTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: Kitfo
x-List: Performance stats for a Model IIDate: Tue=2C 1 Jul 2008 09:50:25 -0
400
Hi all - I have a general question about the published performance stats fo
r my Model II=2C they don't seem to be realistic.
Specifically - the takeoff distance is listed as 75ft=2C landing roll as 10
0ft=2C both "solo". I've done some pretty quick off-the-grounders with a go
od headwind and no fuel to speak of=2C but 75ft?(!) Is this possibly an int
erpolated number for the aircraft at "empty" weight with no pilot or fuel?
Obviously performance specs differ for every pilot/plane combination but I
thought specs were for a typical 170(?)lb pilot at 0 MSL on a perfect day.
I'm not that far off 170lb (well=2C not TOO far that a gallon or 2 of gas w
ouldn't make up for...)
Climb-out is listed as 1600fpm. In which parallel universe? I have achieved
900fpm sustained on a good day=2C alone=2C light fuel=2C and having recent
ly lightened my own load (I call it "dumping ballast").
I have tested Vne=2C stall speeds in various configurations=2C best angle a
nd best rate of climb=2C etc but not MTOW or max Gs=2C and have no intentio
n of doing so=2C but with takeoff/landing distances and rate-of-climb seemi
ngly so far off I have to wonder about the other stats.
Yes - the airplane is configured as stated in the performance data column a
nd the engine only had 80 hours since a complete overhaul so I don't think
age was a factor. The prop is a ground-adjustable type and was tested and r
e-set early in flight testing although I don't know if the setting is for o
ptimal performance=2C that's the only thing I can think of.
Thanks in advance=2C
Bob Brennan1991 Model 2 KitfoxRotax 582 with 3 blade propWrightsville Pa
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| Subject: | Re: Cheng Shin Tires & Tubes |
Lyle Persels wrote:
>
> I'm a little embarrassed to ask but I've lost my paperwork and I can't
> find what I'm looking for in the archives.
>
> I run the Kingfox (Cheng Shin) 21x12x8 tires on my model 4 and I like
> them very much. I know many run them tubeless but I prefer tubes and
> can't find a source. Can anyone help me?
>
>
> Lyle Persels
> Osceola, IA
> KF-IV 1200 912ULS
> 450 Hrs
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Checked by AVG.
>
Try Tires Unlimted in Dayton Ohio.just put in search and you will find
it there.Good people to work with..and good prices..I hope this is a
help to you.,,,Steve Shinabery N554KF KF2 582
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| Subject: | Performance stats for a Model II |
Those numbers certainly sound more realistic Clint. I got the numbers from
the "Kitfox Owners Manual Model II" that came with the logbooks, and I
assume came with the original kit from Denney. However the title on the
Performance page says "Performance KITFOX Model III" and I am reading under
the "Rotax 582LC, solo" column. I always thought the "III" was a typo since
all the other data seems to match, and I have always been led to believe I
have a Model II.
So I guess my question changes to - is 75ft takeoff and 100ft landing and
1600fpm climb out valid for a Model III? Does anyone have access to Model II
performance pages that they can scan for me please? And what are the major
recognisable differences between a Model II and III?
Bob Brennan
1991 Model 2(?!) Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
_____
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clint Bazzill
Sent: 01 July 2008 3:30 pm
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Performance stats for a Model II
I don't know where you are getting your information. My Kitfox Pilot's
Guide says that a Model II 582 powered aircraft has a take off distance of
250 feet, landing ground roll of 250 feet and climb rate of 900 feet /
minute.
Clint
_____
From: matronics@bob.brennan.name
Subject: Kitfox-List: Performance stats for a Model II
Hi all - I have a general question about the published performance stats for
my Model II, they don't seem to be realistic.
Specifically - the takeoff distance is listed as 75ft, landing roll as
100ft, both "solo". I've done some pretty quick off-the-grounders with a
good headwind and no fuel to speak of, but 75ft?(!) Is this possibly an
interpolated number for the aircraft at "empty" weight with no pilot or
fuel? Obviously performance specs differ for every pilot/plane combination
but I thought specs were for a typical 170(?)lb pilot at 0 MSL on a perfect
day. I'm not that far off 170lb (well, not TOO far that a gallon or 2 of gas
wouldn't make up for...)
Climb-out is listed as 1600fpm. In which parallel universe? I have achieved
900fpm sustained on a good day, alone, light fuel, and having recently
lightened my own load (I call it "dumping ballast").
I have tested Vne, stall speeds in various configurations, best angle and
best rate of climb, etc but not MTOW or max Gs, and have no intention of
doing so, but with takeoff/landing distances and rate-of-climb seemingly so
far off I have to wonder about the other stats.
Yes - the airplane is configured as stated in the performance data column
and the engine only had 80 hours since a complete overhaul so I don't think
age was a factor. The prop is a ground-adjustable type and was tested and
re-set early in flight testing although I don't know if the setting is for
optimal performance, that's the only thing I can think of.
Thanks in advance,
Bob Brennan
1991 Model 2 Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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| Subject: | Cheng Shin Tires & Tubes |
I may have a new tire and tube. Would you like me to check?
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of steve
shinabery
Sent: 2008-07-01 13:12
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cheng Shin Tires & Tubes
Lyle Persels wrote:
>
> I'm a little embarrassed to ask but I've lost my paperwork and I can't
> find what I'm looking for in the archives.
>
> I run the Kingfox (Cheng Shin) 21x12x8 tires on my model 4 and I like
> them very much. I know many run them tubeless but I prefer tubes and
> can't find a source. Can anyone help me?
>
>
> Lyle Persels
> Osceola, IA
> KF-IV 1200 912ULS
> 450 Hrs
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
>
>
> Checked by AVG.
>
Try Tires Unlimted in Dayton Ohio.just put in search and you will find
it there.Good people to work with..and good prices..I hope this is a
help to you.,,,Steve Shinabery N554KF KF2 582
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| Subject: | Cheng Shin Tires |
If anyone is interested, I have found a source for the shaved ATV tires.
You can get any size you want shaved smooth.
Dee Young
Model II
N345DY
Do not Archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick<mailto:wingsdown@verizon.net>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 2:30 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Cheng Shin Tires & Tubes
<wingsdown@verizon.net<mailto:wingsdown@verizon.net>>
I may have a new tire and tube. Would you like me to check?
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From:
owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@ma
tronics.com>
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of steve
shinabery
Sent: 2008-07-01 13:12
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cheng Shin Tires & Tubes
<shinco@bright.net<mailto:shinco@bright.net>>
Lyle Persels wrote:
<lpers@mchsi.com<mailto:lpers@mchsi.com>>
>
> I'm a little embarrassed to ask but I've lost my paperwork and I
can't
> find what I'm looking for in the archives.
>
> I run the Kingfox (Cheng Shin) 21x12x8 tires on my model 4 and I
like
> them very much. I know many run them tubeless but I prefer tubes and
> can't find a source. Can anyone help me?
>
>
> Lyle Persels
> Osceola, IA
> KF-IV 1200 912ULS
> 450 Hrs
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
----------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
>
>
> Checked by AVG.
>
Try Tires Unlimted in Dayton Ohio.just put in search and you will find
it there.Good people to work with..and good prices..I hope this is a
help to you.,,,Steve Shinabery N554KF KF2 582
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| Subject: | Cheng Shin Tires |
I know I'm interested, why not just post your source please?
Bob Brennan
UK 1991 Model 2 Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
_____
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dee Young
Sent: 01 July 2008 5:53 pm
Subject: Kitfox-List: Cheng Shin Tires
If anyone is interested, I have found a source for the shaved ATV tires. You
can get any size you want shaved smooth.
Dee Young
Model II
N345DY
Do not Archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick <mailto:wingsdown@verizon.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 2:30 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Cheng Shin Tires & Tubes
I may have a new tire and tube. Would you like me to check?
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of steve
shinabery
Sent: 2008-07-01 13:12
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cheng Shin Tires & Tubes
Lyle Persels wrote:
>
> I'm a little embarrassed to ask but I've lost my paperwork and I can't
> find what I'm looking for in the archives.
>
> I run the Kingfox (Cheng Shin) 21x12x8 tires on my model 4 and I like
> them very much. I know many run them tubeless but I prefer tubes and
> can't find a source. Can anyone help me?
>
>
> Lyle Persels
> Osceola, IA
> KF-IV 1200 912ULS
> 450 Hrs
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
>
>
> Checked by AVG.
>
Try Tires Unlimted in Dayton Ohio.just put in search and you will find
it there.Good people to work with..and good prices..I hope this is a
help to you.,,,Steve Shinabery N554KF KF2 p; Features Chat, -->
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| Subject: | Throttle control |
I am in the process of making some firewall forward changes and need to
shorten the length of my throttle Cable. I appear to have the standard
Kitfox vernier control unit but I now find that it is about 1-1/2" too
long to connect to the carby arm. I have adjusted the connector back as
far as it will go using the thread adjustment but, as I didn't actually
put this throttle assy in I have no idea how to adjust the length of the
inner tube.
As it is set up now it works fine but when I am at WOT my vernier Knob is
still out about 1-1/2"
Any ideas gratefully accepted
Gary
Gary Algate
Kitfox Classic Jab2200
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| Subject: | Re: Cheng Shin Tires |
Let me double check with my source and I will get back to you.
Dee
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Brennan<mailto:matronics@bob.brennan.name>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 4:01 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Cheng Shin Tires
I know I'm interested, why not just post your source please?
Bob Brennan
UK 1991 Model 2 Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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From:
owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@ma
tronics.com> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf
Of Dee Young
Sent: 01 July 2008 5:53 pm
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Cheng Shin Tires
If anyone is interested, I have found a source for the shaved ATV
tires. You can get any size you want shaved smooth.
Dee Young
Model II
N345DY
Do not Archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick<mailto:wingsdown@verizon.net>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 2:30 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Cheng Shin Tires & Tubes
<wingsdown@verizon.net<mailto:wingsdown@verizon.net>>
I may have a new tire and tube. Would you like me to check?
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From:
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tronics.com>
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of steve
shinabery
Sent: 2008-07-01 13:12
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cheng Shin Tires & Tubes
<shinco@bright.net<mailto:shinco@bright.net>>
Lyle Persels wrote:
<lpers@mchsi.com<mailto:lpers@mchsi.com>>
>
> I'm a little embarrassed to ask but I've lost my paperwork and I
can't
> find what I'm looking for in the archives.
>
> I run the Kingfox (Cheng Shin) 21x12x8 tires on my model 4 and I
like
> them very much. I know many run them tubeless but I prefer tubes
and
> can't find a source. Can anyone help me?
>
>
> Lyle Persels
> Osceola, IA
> KF-IV 1200 912ULS
> 450 Hrs
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
----------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
>
>
> Checked by AVG.
>
Try Tires Unlimted in Dayton Ohio.just put in search and you will
find
it there.Good people to work with..and good prices..I hope this is a
help to you.,,,Steve Shinabery N554KF KF2 p; Features
Chat, -->
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| Subject: | Performance stats for a Model II |
Can't imagine the mods made to the 3 to increase MTOW to 1050 could possibl
y make much difference in the relative performance numbers. As I recall, it
was mostly beefing up of the spar carry-trough tubes. Correct me if I'm wr
ong listers.
-
Clint's numbers are real-world. What's the kit s/n on your 2 Bob?
-
Marco Menezes N99KX
Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1
--- On Tue, 7/1/08, Bob Brennan <matronics@bob.brennan.name> wrote:
From: Bob Brennan <matronics@bob.brennan.name>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Performance stats for a Model II
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Those numbers certainly sound more realistic Clint. I got the numbers from
the "Kitfox Owners Manual Model II" that came with the logbooks, and I assu
me came with the original kit from Denney. However the title on the Perform
ance page says "Performance KITFOX Model III" and I am reading under the "R
otax 582LC, solo" column. I always thought the "III" was a typo since all t
he other data seems to match, and I have always been led to believe I have
a Model II.
-
So I guess my question changes to - is 75ft takeoff and 100ft landing and 1
600fpm climb out valid for a Model III? Does anyone have access to Model II
performance pages that they can scan for me please? And what are the major
recognisable differences between a Model II and III?
-
Bob Brennan
1991 Model 2(?!) Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-serv
er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clint Bazzill
Sent: 01 July 2008 3:30 pm
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Performance stats for a Model II
I don't know where you are getting your information.- My Kitfox Pilot's G
uide says that a Model II 582 powered aircraft has a take off distance of 2
50 feet, landing ground roll of 250 feet and climb rate of 900 feet / minut
e.
-
Clint
From: matronics@bob.brennan.name
Subject: Kitfox-List: Performance stats for a Model II
Hi all - I have a general question about the published performance stats fo
r my Model II, they don't seem to be realistic.
-
Specifically - the takeoff distance is listed as 75ft, landing roll as 100f
t, both "solo". I've done some pretty quick off-the-grounders with a good h
eadwind and no fuel to speak of, but 75ft?(!) Is this possibly an interpola
ted number for the aircraft at "empty" weight with no pilot or fuel? Obviou
sly performance specs differ for every pilot/plane combination but I though
t specs were for a typical 170(?)lb pilot at 0 MSL on a perfect day. I'm no
t that far off 170lb (well, not TOO far that a gallon or 2 of gas wouldn't
make up for...)
-
Climb-out is listed as 1600fpm. In which parallel universe? I have achieved
900fpm sustained on a good day, alone, light fuel, and having recently lig
htened my own load (I call it "dumping ballast").
-
I have tested Vne, stall speeds in various configurations, best angle and b
est rate of climb, etc but not MTOW or max Gs, and have no intention of doi
ng so, but with takeoff/landing distances and rate-of-climb seemingly so fa
r off I have to wonder about the other stats.
-
Yes - the airplane is configured as stated in the performance data column a
nd the engine only-had 80 hours since a complete overhaul so I don't thin
k age was a factor. The prop is a ground-adjustable type and was tested and
re-set early in flight testing although I don't know if the setting is for
optimal performance, that's the only thing I can think of.
-
Thanks in advance,
-
Bob Brennan
1991 Model 2 Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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| Subject: | Throttle control |
The throttle cable housing and the throttle cable itself may be shortened by
cutting to proper length with a good set of diagonal cutters made to cut
piano wire, or use a Dremel cutoff wheel.
Before cutting ANYTHING, measure the housing where you want it cut, then
remove the inner cable (the wire inside the housing), cut the cable housing,
then reinstall the inner cable. I usually wait to cut the inner cable until
I can establish the proper length during installation.
John Hart
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
gary.algate@sandvik.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 7:13 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Throttle control
I am in the process of making some firewall forward changes and need to
shorten the length of my throttle Cable. I appear to have the standard
Kitfox vernier control unit but I now find that it is about 1-1/2" too long
to connect to the carby arm. I have adjusted the connector back as far as it
will go using the thread adjustment but, as I didn't actually put this
throttle assy in I have no idea how to adjust the length of the inner tube.
As it is set up now it works fine but when I am at WOT my vernier Knob is
still out about 1-1/2"
Any ideas gratefully accepted
Gary
Gary Algate
Kitfox Classic Jab2200
Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655
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| Subject: | Cheng Shin Tires & Tubes |
Lyle,
Let me know if you can't find them.. We may have the tires and tubes
available in the near future.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
Ph 208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lyle Persels
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 1:13 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Cheng Shin Tires & Tubes
I'm a little embarrassed to ask but I've lost my paperwork and I can't
find what I'm looking for in the archives.
I run the Kingfox (Cheng Shin) 21x12x8 tires on my model 4 and I like
them very much. I know many run them tubeless but I prefer tubes and
can't find a source. Can anyone help me?
Lyle Persels
Osceola, IA
KF-IV 1200 912ULS
450 Hrs
Checked by AVG.
7:26 AM
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Went out to the airport tonight to fly and had a hydraulic lock. Anyone
remember what cylinder I remove the plug to drain the excessive oil?
Thanks. Jeff Classic IV 912UL KTZR
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When I had this problem=2C I just removed my bottom plugs=2C oil ran out an
d problem was solved!
Ray Gignac
Wingless
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st: Hydraulic LockDate: Tue=2C 1 Jul 2008 21:06:08 -0400
Went out to the airport tonight to fly and had a hydraulic lock. Anyone rem
ember what cylinder I remove the plug to drain the excessive oil? Thanks. J
eff Classic IV 912UL KTZR
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| Subject: | Re: Cheng Shin Tires |
Bob Brennan wrote:
> I know I'm interested, why not just post your source please?
>
> Bob Brennan
> UK 1991 Model 2 Kitfox
> Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
> Wrightsville Pa
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Dee Young
> *Sent:* 01 July 2008 5:53 pm
> *To:* kitfox-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Kitfox-List: Cheng Shin Tires
>
> If anyone is interested, I have found a source for the shaved ATV
> tires. You can get any size you want shaved smooth.
>
> Dee Young
> Model II
> N345DY
>
> Do not Archive.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Rick <mailto:wingsdown@verizon.net>
> *To:* kitfox-list@matronics.com <mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 01, 2008 2:30 PM
> *Subject:* RE: Kitfox-List: Cheng Shin Tires & Tubes
>
> <mailto:wingsdown@verizon.net>>
>
> I may have a new tire and tube. Would you like me to check?
>
>
> Rick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> <mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com>
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of steve
> shinabery
> Sent: 2008-07-01 13:12
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com <mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cheng Shin Tires & Tubes
>
>
> <shinco@bright.net <mailto:shinco@bright.net>>
>
> Lyle Persels wrote:
> <mailto:lpers@mchsi.com>>
> >
> > I'm a little embarrassed to ask but I've lost my paperwork and I
> can't
> > find what I'm looking for in the archives.
> >
> > I run the Kingfox (Cheng Shin) 21x12x8 tires on my model 4 and I
> like
> > them very much. I know many run them tubeless but I prefer tubes
> and
> > can't find a source. Can anyone help me?
> >
> >
> > Lyle Persels
> > Osceola, IA
> > KF-IV 1200 912ULS
> > 450 Hrs
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > --
> >
> >
> > Checked by AVG.
> >
> Try Tires Unlimted in Dayton Ohio.just put in search and you will
> find
> it there.Good people to work with..and good prices..I hope this is a
> help to you.,,,Steve Shinabery N554KF KF2 p; Features
> Chat, --> http://www.matron======================
> bsp; via the Web title=http://forums.matronics.com/
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List>
>
>
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>
> *
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>
>
> Checked by AVG.
>
DEE,,,,,Tires Unlimted,,In Dayton Ohio..has every thing you
need...Tires,tubes...this is where I get mine..and they are cheaper
Tundra Tires all so.same tire,just no name on the side wall..if you want
to save money..go to Tires Unlimted,,In Dayton Ohio..go to search on the
web..they are there..they have a large web site.they have any tire you
can think of..even reg aircraft tires,car tires..ATV,tractor tires,,are
you getting the picture??and they have good prices.and quick
service..STEVE SHINABERY N554KF KF2 582
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| Subject: | Re: Cheng Shin Tires |
steve shinabery wrote:
>
> Bob Brennan wrote:
>> I know I'm interested, why not just post your source please?
>>
>> Bob Brennan
>> UK 1991 Model 2 Kitfox
>> Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
>> Wrightsville Pa
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Dee Young
>> *Sent:* 01 July 2008 5:53 pm
>> *To:* kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> *Subject:* Kitfox-List: Cheng Shin Tires
>>
>> If anyone is interested, I have found a source for the shaved ATV
>> tires. You can get any size you want shaved smooth.
>>
>> Dee Young
>> Model II
>> N345DY
>>
>> Do not Archive.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Rick <mailto:wingsdown@verizon.net>
>> *To:* kitfox-list@matronics.com <mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 01, 2008 2:30 PM
>> *Subject:* RE: Kitfox-List: Cheng Shin Tires & Tubes
>>
>> <mailto:wingsdown@verizon.net>>
>>
>> I may have a new tire and tube. Would you like me to check?
>>
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> <mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com>
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of steve
>> shinabery
>> Sent: 2008-07-01 13:12
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com <mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cheng Shin Tires & Tubes
>>
>>
>> <shinco@bright.net <mailto:shinco@bright.net>>
>>
>> Lyle Persels wrote:
>> <mailto:lpers@mchsi.com>>
>> >
>> > I'm a little embarrassed to ask but I've lost my paperwork and I
>> can't
>> > find what I'm looking for in the archives.
>> >
>> > I run the Kingfox (Cheng Shin) 21x12x8 tires on my model 4 and I
>> like
>> > them very much. I know many run them tubeless but I prefer tubes
>> and
>> > can't find a source. Can anyone help me?
>> >
>> >
>> > Lyle Persels
>> > Osceola, IA
>> > KF-IV 1200 912ULS
>> > 450 Hrs
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > --
>> >
>> >
>> > Checked by AVG.
>> > Try Tires Unlimted in Dayton Ohio.just put in search and
>> you will
>> find
>> it there.Good people to work with..and good prices..I hope this is a
>> help to you.,,,Steve Shinabery N554KF KF2 p; Features
>> Chat, --> http://www.matron======================
>> bsp; via the Web title=http://forums.matronics.com/
>> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>> <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List>
>>
>>
>> *
>>
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>>
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
>> *
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> Checked by AVG.
> DEE,,,,,Tires Unlimted,,In Dayton Ohio..has every thing you
> need...Tires,tubes...this is where I get mine..and they are cheaper
> Tundra Tires all so.same tire,just no name on the side wall..if you
> want to save money..go to Tires Unlimted,,In Dayton Ohio..go to search
> on the web..they are there..they have a large web site.they have any
> tire you can think of..even reg aircraft tires,car tires..ATV,tractor
> tires,,are you getting the picture??and they have good prices.and
> quick service..STEVE SHINABERY N554KF KF2 582
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Checked by AVG.
>
Here is the name and address for,Tires Unlimited,,1-800-628-4737,
www.tiresunlimited.com Dayton Ohio Steve Shinabery N554KF KF2 582
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| Subject: | Official Kitfox-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Kitfox-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The
complete Kitfox-List FAQ including the Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kitfox-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
[ Note: This FAQ was designed to be displayed with a fixed width font such as
Courier. Proportional fonts will cause display formatting errors. ]
This FAQ can also be viewed in HTML online at the following address:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm
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******* LIST POLICIES AND FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS *******
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PLEASE READ. This document contains Kitfox-List policies and information
for new and old subscribers. Understanding the Kitfox-List policies will
minimize problems for the Administrator, and will help keep the Kitfox-List
running smoothly for all of us.
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*** Quick Start Guide to List Features ***
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There are many features available on the Matronics Email Lists and each
one is described in detailed below. However, using the List Navigator
you can quickly access the complete set of features available for this
List. The List Navigator can be found at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
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*** How to Subscribe and Unsubscribe ***
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Simply go to the Web Page shown below and enter your email address and
select the List(s) that you wish to subscribe or unsubscribed from. You
may also use the handy "Find" function to determine the exact syntax of
your email address as it is subscribed to the List. Please see the
complete instructions at the top of the Web Page for more information.
The Subscribe/Unsubscribe web page is:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you will receive TWO conformation emails regarding your subsciption
process. The first verifies that your subscription/unsubsciption request
was received, and the second confirms that the process has been completed.
You should receive the first email within a few minutes of your request.
The second conformation will arrive in less than 24 hours. You cannot post
until you receive the second conformation email message.
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*** How to Post a Message ***
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Send an email message to:
kitfox-list@matronics.com
Your message will be redistributed to everyone currently subscribed
to the List.
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*** SPAM Fighter - You Must be Subscribed to Post ***
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When a new post is received by the system, the From: line of the message
is checked and compared against the current subscription list. If the
email address is found, the message is passed on to the List Processor.
If the email address isn't found in the current list of subscribers, it
is dumped. This serves to very effectively thwart 99% of the SPAM that
gets posted to the Lists.
Remember, however, that the syntax of your email address is very important
with regard to the configuration of your email application such as Outlook
or Eudora. For example, the following two email addresses may be
functionally equivalent, but only one would pass the Matronics Email SPAM
test depending on which was syntax was subscribed to the given List:
smith@machine.domain.com
smith@domain.com
Either email address syntax is alright, just be sure that you configure
your email application to match *exactly* the address you've subscibed to
the List.
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*** Enclosure Support on the Lists ***
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Limited posting of enclosures such as pictures, documents, and spreadsheets
is supported on the Lists. There are a number of restrictions, and these
are detailed below. Please abide by the rules put forth regarding the
content of enclosures.
These are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics
Lists:
1) Enclosures will only be posted to the Real Time version of the Lists.
2) Enclosures will NOT be included in the Daily Digest version of the Lists.
3) Enclosures WILL BE forwarded on to the BBS Forum Web site.
4) Enclosures will NOT be appended to the Archives.
5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature.
6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed:
bmp doc dwg dxf gif jpg pdf png txt xls
All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to
sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from
a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk.
7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting
to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down
the process of posting the message !!
Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules
could result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists.
1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files
you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there
are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post
30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these
folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just
unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother.
And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
questionable. !!
4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members
subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting
to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and
BE COURTEOUS!
Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where
you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
for long time viewing and availability.
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*** Digest Mode ***
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Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started.
This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended
to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:"
and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting
of a line of underscores.
Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be
combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list.
To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form
described above, and just select the Digest version of the List.
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions
of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable.
Now some caveats:
* Messages sent to "kitfox-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard
email list. In other words, you cannot post messages only to the
digest List.
* If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you
will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of
the day.
* If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the
normal list associated with the digest. Important Note: Please change
the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please
*do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*.
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*** List Digest Browser ***
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An archive of all the List Digests can be found online in either plain text
or HTML format. These archives contain the exact Digest that was posted to
the Digest email list on the given day. The Digest Archives can be found
at the following location:
http://www.matronics.com/digest
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*** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag ***
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At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very
small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive
it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the
message:
do not archive
Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List
email distribution as normal.
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***** READ THIS - Automatic Unsubscribes *****
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Note that if your email address begins to cause problems such as bounced
email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly
removed from the List. If you discover that you are no longer receiving
messages from the Kitfox-List, go to the following Web page, and look
for your email address and a possible reason for your removal.
The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that
automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that
caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the
Lists you will find record of it at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed
If the problem listed on the web site above has been resolved, please feel
free to resubscribe to the Lists of your choice.
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*** List Member Information ***
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If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and
paper mail address in the following format:
smith@somehost.com
Joe Smith
123 Airport Lane
Tower, CA 91234-1234
098-765-1234 w
123-456-7890 h
Please forward this information to the following email address:
requests@matronics.com
I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
be used for any other commercial purpose.
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*** Realtime Web Email List Browsing ***
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Recent messages posted to the Kitfox-List are also made available on
the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject,
Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are
updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
Browser Interface in view-mode.
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/kitfox-list
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*** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface ***
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A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all Kitfox-List content.
content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
http://forums.matronics.com
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*** Matronics Email List Wiki ***
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In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed
information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at:
http://wiki.matronics.com
The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
wiki-support@matronics.com
One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
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*** List Archives ***
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A file containing of all of the previous postings to the Kitfox-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* Kitfox-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the Kitfox-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* Kitfox-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* Kitfox-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* Kitfox-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the Kitfox-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* Kitfox-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the Kitfox-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
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The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
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The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
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*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
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All messages posted to the Kitfox-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?Kitfox
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**** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
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You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
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*** File and Photo Share ***
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With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
pictures@matronics.com
!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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*** List Archive CDROM ***
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A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
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*** List Support Contributions ***
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The Matronics Lists are run *completely* through the support of it members.
You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of
annoying commercialism on either the Email Messages or the List web pages
associated with the Matronics Email Lists. Every year during November
I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month,
I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they
are comfortable.
I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the
Fund Raiser to increase the participation. The gifts are usually donated
by companies that are themselves List members.
Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists
including the high-speed, business-class Internet connection, server
system hardware and software upgrades, and to partially offset the many
many hours I spend running, maintaining, upgrading, and developing the
variety of services found here.
Generally Contributions range from $20 to $100 and are completely voluntary
and non-compulsory. I ask only that if person enjoys the Lists and obtains
value from them, that they make a Contribution of equal magnitude.
Contributions are accepted throughout the year, and if you've just
subscribed, feel free to make a Contribution when you've settled in.
The website for making SSL Secure Contributions is listed below. There are
a variety of payment methods including Visa and MasterCard, PayPal, and
sending a personal check.
If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to
support its continued operation?
http://www.matronics.com/contributions
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kitfox-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kitfox-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Kitfox-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kitfox-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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| Subject: | Official Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Kitfox-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kitfox-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kitfox-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kitfox-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Kitfox-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kitfox-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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