---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 07/03/08: 23 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:31 AM - Re: Radiator scoop (dave) 2. 04:36 AM - Re: Performance stats for a Model II (dave) 3. 04:48 AM - Re: Cheng Shin Tires & Tubes (dave) 4. 05:16 AM - Re: Hydraulic Lock (Catz631@aol.com) 5. 05:27 AM - Re: Radiator scoop (Catz631@aol.com) 6. 07:16 AM - Aircraft markings (Bob Brennan) 7. 07:49 AM - Kitfox-II - Radiator Bracket Separation (Joe & Jan Connell) 8. 08:26 AM - Re: Hydraulic Lock (Lynn Matteson) 9. 09:27 AM - Re: Re: Cheng Shin Tires & Tubes (Kevin Ridsdale) 10. 10:10 AM - Re: Hydraulic Lock (Bob Brennan) 11. 10:20 AM - Tire Balance (Mike Chaney) 12. 10:35 AM - Re: Aircraft markings (kerrimikehickman@aol.com) 13. 11:04 AM - Re: Aircraft markings (Bob Brennan) 14. 11:10 AM - Re: Tire Balance (Bob Brennan) 15. 11:14 AM - Re: Tire Balance (Lowell Fitt) 16. 11:17 AM - Re: Re: Cheng Shin Tires & Tubes (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk) 17. 11:17 AM - Re: Tire Balance (kitfoxmike) 18. 11:20 AM - Re: Tire Balance (kitfoxmike) 19. 02:45 PM - Re: Re: Cheng Shin Tires & Tubes (Kevin Ridsdale) 20. 04:12 PM - Re: Aircraft markings (Noel Loveys) 21. 05:44 PM - Re: Aircraft markings (Bob Brennan) 22. 07:24 PM - Re: 912S Oil and Coolant (JetPilot) 23. 08:08 PM - Re: Aircraft markings (Noel Loveys) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:31:43 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Radiator scoop From: "dave" Rad scoop pic look great guys. Now the questions -- what did you gain or lose in speed and coolant temps ? Did you seal the rad to the scoop? Makes a differance you know in cooling. read my previous posts on cowl mods......... just look at that design how the hot air from the engine dumps directly into the rad.......... http://www.cfisher.com/cowl.html -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191035#191035 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:36:52 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Performance stats for a Model II From: "dave" One more thing that most do not consider is that Skystar chopped the Rotax exhaust up and the 582s are likely to see 55 to 58 HP only not the 65 HP that the 582 is advertised as having. IF you followed my older posts from last fall I did alot of experimenting with the 582 exhaust. I gained HP !! with stock exhaust by lengthening the header pipe and the 90 degree elbow. Only problem is that it is tight in there already to keep that pipe enclosed. I have also built some tuned pipes and they work even better. I have only flown on wheels and skis with these pipes and not on floats yet. Hopefully floats go on soon . MY 582 have over 480 hours now and never been apart since new in June 2006. That being said it could blow apart on next flight as could any engine or prop. -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191037#191037 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:48:56 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Cheng Shin Tires & Tubes From: "dave" Kevin at MIPPI might still have some tubes left over. I bought and sold alot of his inventory and only have a few sets of King fox tires left now but they are not for sale. I do not use tubes and have no leaks. Use a good bead sealer available at most tires shops. If you do not know what you are doing or don't have a bead breaker tool then pay someone r -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191043#191043 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:16:58 AM PST US From: Catz631@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Hydraulic Lock Lynn, My Kitfox is located in my hanger at an airpark in Fl. I can fly it every day if I want to but it is too hot now so I have escaped to my cabin in the N.C. mountains for a week or so. No place to tow my Kitfox up here. We have lots of mountains(ok, hills for you guys living in the Rockies) and very few airports. When I do come up here with the airplane,I will fly it up. Besides,I will fly it when I get back.I am not having much luck getting a hanger up here. Like most of the US,hangers are at a premium! Lowell , thanks for your input . I had not thought of letting the oil cool then pumping it back into the tank prior to periods of non use. That should slow the siphoning action a bit. I'll give it a shot By the way I read an article in the defunct SkyStar magazine about the siphoning effect in the Kitfox with the 912. It offered no solution other then to always check the oil and "burp" the tank. It too said the high oil tank position was the problem. Wish we had a magazine like that still available with "tips" & "techniques" but then I guess that's what this email form is for. Thanks for the replies ! Dick Maddux Fox4-1200 Pensacola,Fl **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:27:44 AM PST US From: Catz631@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Radiator scoop Yodaone, Thanks for the pictures. You have done a "super deluxe" job on that scoop.It looks great ! I will pattern my installation after yours.My only question is(and you guessed it) where did you get the scoop to floor fasteners.That is a nice clean installation. Dick Maddux Fox 4 Pensacola,Fl **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:16:11 AM PST US From: "Bob Brennan" Subject: Kitfox-List: Aircraft markings Hi all - my UK-built Kitfox Model II is still going through scrutiny by the FAA and one of the things that has come up is that it cannot display the UK registration markings now that it has N-number markings. That sounds simple enough except that the letters are HUGE (see attached photo), on both sides of the fuselage, and take up most of the underside of the port wing. And are painted on, not decals. The paint is in really good shape and I am not keen on re-painting the whole thing. I proposed just "removing" the "G-" marking and coming up with a clever reverse-acronym meaning for "BSMO" and the FAA seems ok with that "as long as the markings cannot be mis-construed as a UK registered aircraft". So my options appear to be - find a color match for the yellow and paint over the "G-" in all 3 places, although a spray can of Rustoleum is the level of my painting expertise. Another thought was to get 3 of those nifty Kitfox logo decals and put them over the G-. So my question to the listers is - where does one get large Kitfox logo decals? And - anyone have any better idea(s)? Bob Brennan 1991 Model 2 Kitfox Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:49:12 AM PST US From: "Joe & Jan Connell" Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox-II - Radiator Bracket Separation Guys, I have an early Kitfox-II with a Rotax 582 with 275 hours. This morning on post flight inspection, I found one of the radiator attachment brackets had had separated from the radiator. Have any of you experienced this kind of failure? I think I'll have to remove the radiator and have the bracket either soldered or brazed back on to the radiator. This heating process could introduce leaks elsewhere. Another idea would be to install a clamp with rubber pads to hold the radiator. I'm open to your advice or suggestions... Joe Connell N62JK #399 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:26:46 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Hydraulic Lock I'm lucky enough to have a hangar 4 miles from home. After putting the plane on the trailer last night, I had second thoughts about having to untrailer it, fly for 4 days at the most, then load it up again, and come home, untrailer it, and breathe a sigh of relief. When I hear of guys who have to keep theirs at home and trailer it to fly, I've got a lot of respect for their stick-to-it-ivness. The only time I've had to trailer mine so far is to be weighed, and it rained the whole 36 mile round-trip. Having to tape up the t'deck hole was a bear! This weekend is supposed to clear, so maybe I'l get lucky. I'll still tape the big hole shut, but I won't be quite so anal about keeping the raindrops out, just the road dust or possible mist. And if it wasn't for having to get a ride from the campsite to the flying field each and every time I wanted to fly, I'd just fly the plane up there and pitch a tent. When my daughter bailed out at the last minute (from driving the motorhome up there), I decided to trailer the plane, instead of leaving it home....after all, we are celebrating "Independence" Day, aren't we? And I'm just stubborn enough to be totally independent of others when I have to. : ) And for those that haven't trailered their Kitfoxs yet, it's not that big a chore, and it can be done alone, but it sure is nice to not have to do it....especially when the weather plays a part. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200 Status: flying w/541 hrs do not archive On Jul 3, 2008, at 8:13 AM, Catz631@aol.com wrote: > Lynn, > My Kitfox is located in my hanger at an airpark in Fl. I can fly > it every day if I want to but it is too hot now so I have escaped > to my cabin in the N.C. mountains for a week or so. No place to tow > my Kitfox up here. We have lots of mountains(ok, hills for you guys > living in the Rockies) and very few airports. When I do come up > here with the airplane,I will fly it up. Besides,I will fly it when > I get back.I am not having much luck getting a hanger up here. Like > most of the US,hangers are at a premium! > Lowell , thanks for your input . I had not thought of letting the > oil cool then pumping it back into the tank prior to periods of non > use. That should slow the siphoning action a bit. I'll give it a shot > By the way I read an article in the defunct SkyStar magazine about > the siphoning effect in the Kitfox with the 912. It offered no > solution other then to always check the oil and "burp" the tank. It > too said the high oil tank position was the problem. Wish we had a > magazine like that still available with "tips" & "techniques" but > then I guess that's what this email form is for. > Thanks for the replies ! > Dick Maddux > Fox4-1200 > Pensacola,Fl > > > Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient > used cars. > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _- > www.matronics.com/contribution _- > =========================================================== ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:27:07 AM PST US From: Kevin Ridsdale Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Cheng Shin Tires & Tubes Mippi Ultalights can still provide tubes, however the only payment we are accepting at this time is Pay Pal. Please send your request to ksridsdale@mipowerparachutes.com Kevin 734-377-2670 dave wrote: Kevin at MIPPI might still have some tubes left over. I bought and sold alot of his inventory and only have a few sets of King fox tires left now but they are not for sale. I do not use tubes and have no leaks. Use a good bead sealer available at most tires shops. If you do not know what you are doing or don't have a bead breaker tool then pay someone r -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada Flying Videos and Kitfox Info http://www.cfisher.com/ Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191043#191043 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:10:24 AM PST US From: "Bob Brennan" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Hydraulic Lock May I ask what kind of trailer you use Lynn? I have towed my Kitfox a few miles using the towbar attachment but am reluctant to put too many miles on the plane's tiny bearings. I plan to trailer it now on a 21ft car trailer, with ramps and an electric winch to get it up to the platform. But I had the trailer for other reasons, so I am wondering how other Kitfoxers "trailer" their planes around.(?) Bob Brennan 1991 UK Model 2 Kitfox Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson Sent: 03 July 2008 11:24 am Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Hydraulic Lock I'm lucky enough to have a hangar 4 miles from home. After putting the plane on the trailer last night, I had second thoughts about having to untrailer it, fly for 4 days at the most, then load it up again, and come home, untrailer it, and breathe a sigh of relief. When I hear of guys who have to keep theirs at home and trailer it to fly, I've got a lot of respect for their stick-to-it-ivness. The only time I've had to trailer mine so far is to be weighed, and it rained the whole 36 mile round-trip. Having to tape up the t'deck hole was a bear! This weekend is supposed to clear, so maybe I'l get lucky. I'll still tape the big hole shut, but I won't be quite so anal about keeping the raindrops out, just the road dust or possible mist. And if it wasn't for having to get a ride from the campsite to the flying field each and every time I wanted to fly, I'd just fly the plane up there and pitch a tent. When my daughter bailed out at the last minute (from driving the motorhome up there), I decided to trailer the plane, instead of leaving it home....after all, we are celebrating "Independence" Day, aren't we? And I'm just stubborn enough to be totally independent of others when I have to. : ) And for those that haven't trailered their Kitfoxs yet, it's not that big a chore, and it can be done alone, but it sure is nice to not have to do it....especially when the weather plays a part. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200 Status: flying w/541 hrs do not archive On Jul 3, 2008, at 8:13 AM, Catz631@aol.com wrote: > Lynn, > My Kitfox is located in my hanger at an airpark in Fl. I can fly > it every day if I want to but it is too hot now so I have escaped > to my cabin in the N.C. mountains for a week or so. No place to tow > my Kitfox up here. We have lots of mountains(ok, hills for you guys > living in the Rockies) and very few airports. When I do come up > here with the airplane,I will fly it up. Besides,I will fly it when > I get back.I am not having much luck getting a hanger up here. Like > most of the US,hangers are at a premium! > Lowell , thanks for your input . I had not thought of letting the > oil cool then pumping it back into the tank prior to periods of non > use. That should slow the siphoning action a bit. I'll give it a shot > By the way I read an article in the defunct SkyStar magazine about > the siphoning effect in the Kitfox with the 912. It offered no > solution other then to always check the oil and "burp" the tank. It > too said the high oil tank position was the problem. Wish we had a > magazine like that still available with "tips" & "techniques" but > then I guess that's what this email form is for. > Thanks for the replies ! > Dick Maddux > Fox4-1200 > Pensacola,Fl > > > Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient > used cars. > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _- > www.matronics.com/contribution _- > =========================================================== ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:20:12 AM PST US From: Mike Chaney Subject: Kitfox-List: Tire Balance - I have just installed my third set of tires on my Kitfox.- I have never h ad the tires balanced in the past and have never found the need.- However , I am noticing that right after lift off it feels like there is some vibra tion either in the gear or the tires.- I suppose this could be due to poo r take off technique and-I'm leavining the ground a bit uncoordinated (no sarcastic comments please) or the tires need balancing.- The vibration e nds after about twenty seconds or so.- I began noticing this right after I installed the new tires. - Any comments would be appreciated.- If in fact the tires need balancing i s there any way I can balance the tires myself or would-I need to take th em off and take them to a tire dealer. - Mike=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:35:56 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Aircraft markings From: kerrimikehickman@aol.com View full size Black is beautiful...the flags are attitude. Mike H. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Brennan Sent: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 8:13 am Subject: Kitfox-List: Aircraft markings Hi all - my UK-built Kitfox Model II is still going through scrutiny by the FAA and one of the things that has come up is that it cannot display the UK registration markings now that it has N-number markings. That sounds simple enough except that the letters are HUGE (see attached photo), on both sides of the fuselage, and take up most of the underside of the port wing. And are painted on, not decals. The paint is in really good shape and I am not keen on re-painting the whole thing. I proposed just "removing" the "G-" marking and coming up with a clever reverse-acronym meaning for "BSMO" and the FAA seems ok with that "as long as the markings cannot be mis-construed as a UK registered aircraft". So my options appear to be - find a color match for the yellow and paint over the "G-" in all 3 places, although a spray can of Rustoleum is the level of my painting expertise. Another thought was to get 3 of those nifty Kitfox logo decals and put them over the G-. So my question to the listers is - where does one get large Kitfox logo decals? And - anyone have any better idea(s)? Bob Brennan 1991 Model 2 Kitfox Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa [Image Removed] ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:04:18 AM PST US From: "Bob Brennan" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Aircraft markings How much do you charge to do that for real Mike? ;-) bob _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kerrimikehickman@aol.com Sent: 03 July 2008 1:33 pm Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Aircraft markings View full size Black is beautiful...the flags are attitude. Mike H. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Brennan Sent: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 8:13 am Subject: Kitfox-List: Aircraft markings Hi all - my UK-built Kitfox Model II is still going through scrutiny by the FAA and one of the things that has come up is that it cannot display the UK registration markings now that it has N-number markings. That sounds simple enough except that the letters are HUGE (see attached photo), on both sides of the fuselage, and take up most of the underside of the port wing. And are painted on, not decals. The paint is in really good shape and I am not keen on re-painting the whole thing. I proposed just "removing" the "G-" marking and coming up with a clever reverse-acronym meaning for "BSMO" and the FAA seems ok with that "as long as the markings cannot be mis-construed as a UK registered aircraft". So my options appear to be - find a color match for the yellow and paint over the "G-" in all 3 places, although a spray can of Rustoleum is the level of my painting expertise. Another thought was to get 3 of those nifty Kitfox logo decals and put them over the G-. So my question to the listers is - where does one get large Kitfox logo decals? And - anyone have any better idea(s)? Bob Brennan 1991 Model 2 Kitfox Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa [Image Removed] _____ The Famous, the infamous, the lame - in your browser. Get the TMZ Toolbar Now ! ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:10:08 AM PST US From: "Bob Brennan" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Tire Balance "The vibration ends after about twenty seconds or so." Can we assume that the tires (both?) are rotating for 20 seconds and then stop? If so does the vibration rate slow as the tires slow? Bob Brennan 1991 UK Model 2 Kitfox Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Chaney Sent: 03 July 2008 1:17 pm Subject: Kitfox-List: Tire Balance I have just installed my third set of tires on my Kitfox. I have never had the tires balanced in the past and have never found the need. However, I am noticing that right after lift off it feels like there is some vibration either in the gear or the tires. I suppose this could be due to poor take off technique and I'm leavining the ground a bit uncoordinated (no sarcastic comments please) or the tires need balancing. The vibration ends after about twenty seconds or so. I began noticing this right after I installed the new tires. Any comments would be appreciated. If in fact the tires need balancing is there any way I can balance the tires myself or would I need to take them off and take them to a tire dealer. Mike D======================== ========= D======================== ========= D======================== ========= D======================== ========= ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:14:25 AM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tire Balance Mike, I would get that effect also. Try tapping the brakes to stop wheel rotation after lift off to see if if affects it. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Chaney" Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 10:17 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Tire Balance I have just installed my third set of tires on my Kitfox. I have never had the tires balanced in the past and have never found the need. However, I am noticing that right after lift off it feels like there is some vibration either in the gear or the tires. I suppose this could be due to poor take off technique and I'm leavining the ground a bit uncoordinated (no sarcastic comments please) or the tires need balancing. The vibration ends after about twenty seconds or so. I began noticing this right after I installed the new tires. Any comments would be appreciated. If in fact the tires need balancing is there any way I can balance the tires myself or would I need to take them off and take them to a tire dealer. Mike ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:17:04 AM PST US From: Jim_and_Lucy Chuk Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Cheng Shin Tires & Tubes Hi Kevin=2C I thried the link=2C but it didn't work. What do you want for two tubes pluss shipping to Mn 55719? You can email me back at thesupe@ hotmail.com thanks=2C Jim Chuk do not archive Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Cheng Shin Tires & TubesTo: kitfox-list@matro nics.com Mippi Ultalights can still provide tubes=2C however the only payment we are accepting at this time is Pay Pal. Please send your request to ksridsdale@mipowerparachutes.com Kevin 734-377-2670dave wrote: ome tubes left over. I bought and sold alot of his inventory and only have a few sets of King fox tires left now but they are not for sale. I do not u se tubes and have no leaks. Use a good bead sealer available at most tires shops. If you do not know what you are doing or don't have a bead breaker t ool then pay someone r--------Rotax Dealer=2C Ontario CanadaFlying Videos a nd Kitfox _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail is giving away Zunes. Enter for your chance to win. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/ZuneADay/?locale=en-US&ocid=TXT_TAGL M_Mobile_Zune_V3 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:17:49 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tire Balance From: "kitfoxmike" what makes you think the tires are any different than an automobile. I just installed new tires yesterday and had them balanced, They both took over 2 ounces on each tire. Nice and smooth after take off. Oh and before I started balancing my tires, it had a very bad shake on take off. My advice, get them balanced. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191116#191116 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:20:36 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tire Balance From: "kitfoxmike" lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net wrote: > Mike, > > I would get that effect also. Try tapping the brakes to stop wheel rotation > after lift off to see if if affects it. > > Lowell > > --- I have my wheels turn forever after take off, with them balanced it is smooth as can be. I can remember my tires before balancing and I always had to hit the brakes, what a pain. Now I just take off and forget about it. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191117#191117 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:45:02 PM PST US From: Kevin Ridsdale Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Cheng Shin Tires & Tubes Correction to the email address ksridsdale@mipowerparachute.com Tubes for tires shipped within the Continental USA is $54.00 --- Kevin Ridsdale wrote: > Mippi Ultalights can still provide tubes, however > the only payment we are accepting at this time is > Pay Pal. Please send your request to > ksridsdale@mipowerparachutes.com > > Kevin 734-377-2670 > > dave wrote: > > Kevin at MIPPI might still have some tubes left > over. I bought and sold alot of his inventory and > only have a few sets of King fox tires left now but > they are not for sale. > > I do not use tubes and have no leaks. Use a good > bead sealer available at most tires shops. If you do > not know what you are doing or don't have a bead > breaker tool then pay someone r > > -------- > Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada > Flying Videos and Kitfox Info > http://www.cfisher.com/ > Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet > chatter from the truth > http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191043#191043 > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:12:14 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Aircraft markings I don't know if you guys have trim line auto decals in your neck of the woods. Make your own grapohic and e-mail it as an attachment to your nearest auto detailer and by the time you get to their office you should have your decals. A single coat of yellow dope, the same kind as the base colour will help hide the letters. I'm thinking you could have decals made up of the Stars and Stripes to cover the G-B That leaves you with SMO (Small Mighty & Ornery!) I'm going to include a couple of pictures of decals I had made up for my baby. I think the total cost was less thatn $10 CDN and that was when out buck was worth a lot less than it is today. This is what the decal I e-mailed to the graphics company looked like (reduced in size a bit for the dial up guys) beothuckTEXTURE2sm.JPG This is what it looks like on the vertical stab. P003728sm.jpg Sigtaturea Noel Loveys Campbellton, NL, Canada CDN AME intern, PP-Rec C-FINB, Kitfox III-A 582 B box, Ivo IFA, Aerocet 1100 floats noelloveys@yahoo.ca -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Brennan Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 11:43 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Aircraft markings Hi all - my UK-built Kitfox Model II is still going through scrutiny by the FAA and one of the things that has come up is that it cannot display the UK registration markings now that it has N-number markings. That sounds simple enough except that the letters are HUGE (see attached photo), on both sides of the fuselage, and take up most of the underside of the port wing. And are painted on, not decals. The paint is in really good shape and I am not keen on re-painting the whole thing. I proposed just "removing" the "G-" marking and coming up with a clever reverse-acronym meaning for "BSMO" and the FAA seems ok with that "as long as the markings cannot be mis-construed as a UK registered aircraft". So my options appear to be - find a color match for the yellow and paint over the "G-" in all 3 places, although a spray can of Rustoleum is the level of my painting expertise. Another thought was to get 3 of those nifty Kitfox logo decals and put them over the G-. So my question to the listers is - where does one get large Kitfox logo decals? And - anyone have any better idea(s)? Bob Brennan 1991 Model 2 Kitfox Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:44:40 PM PST US From: "Bob Brennan" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Aircraft markings That's the best suggestion yet Noel, and I see Aircraft Spruce has quite a few at http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/flagplacards.php I also found some actual Kitfox logo decals at http://www.chiefaircraft.com/airsec/Aircraft/Decals/Logos.html that look interesting. Where would I get yellow dope to match what's on the plane? And black (black should be easy to match!)? Bob Brennan 1991 UK Model 2 Kitfox Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Noel Loveys Sent: 03 July 2008 7:09 pm Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Aircraft markings I don't know if you guys have trim line auto decals in your neck of the woods. Make your own grapohic and e-mail it as an attachment to your nearest auto detailer and by the time you get to their office you should have your decals. A single coat of yellow dope, the same kind as the base colour will help hide the letters. I'm thinking you could have decals made up of the Stars and Stripes to cover the G-B That leaves you with SMO (Small Mighty & Ornery!) I'm going to include a couple of pictures of decals I had made up for my baby. I think the total cost was less thatn $10 CDN and that was when out buck was worth a lot less than it is today. This is what the decal I e-mailed to the graphics company looked like (reduced in size a bit for the dial up guys) beothuckTEXTURE2sm.JPG This is what it looks like on the vertical stab. P003728sm.jpg Sigtaturea Noel Loveys Campbellton, NL, Canada CDN AME intern, PP-Rec C-FINB, Kitfox III-A 582 B box, Ivo IFA, Aerocet 1100 floats noelloveys@yahoo.ca -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Brennan Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 11:43 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Aircraft markings Hi all - my UK-built Kitfox Model II is still going through scrutiny by the FAA and one of the things that has come up is that it cannot display the UK registration markings now that it has N-number markings. That sounds simple enough except that the letters are HUGE (see attached photo), on both sides of the fuselage, and take up most of the underside of the port wing. And are painted on, not decals. The paint is in really good shape and I am not keen on re-painting the whole thing. I proposed just "removing" the "G-" marking and coming up with a clever reverse-acronym meaning for "BSMO" and the FAA seems ok with that "as long as the markings cannot be mis-construed as a UK registered aircraft". So my options appear to be - find a color match for the yellow and paint over the "G-" in all 3 places, although a spray can of Rustoleum is the level of my painting expertise. Another thought was to get 3 of those nifty Kitfox logo decals and put them over the G-. So my question to the listers is - where does one get large Kitfox logo decals? And - anyone have any better idea(s)? Bob Brennan 1991 Model 2 Kitfox Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:24:50 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 912S Oil and Coolant From: "JetPilot" Dick Maddux wrote: > > > In my case I am now using the new Aeroshell Plus 4 which was designed for the Rotax 912/914 (the primary oil used at Lockwood for thier flight school) > > No way I will use other than Rotax oil filters either after seeing the damage other filters can possibly do to the engine (again during Rotax school) > I use full synthetic Mobil 1 Motorcycle oil, it is more expensive than the Rotax Oil, and is on Rotax recommended list of oils. A good quality full synthetic oil is far Superior and makes the engine last longer than the semisynthetic Rotax oil. The only exception to this rule is if you use 100LL gasoline in your Rotax. The full synthetic will not hold the lead in suspension like dinosaur oil will. 100LL is not great for the 912's, you should not use it unless there is no other alternative. After getting some good advice from another memeber here, and a lot of research on my own to confirm it, I use a Non Rotax oil filter. Using the wrong oil filter will likely damage any engine. If I put the wrong number oil filter on my Honda Civic , it will damage it, but that does not mean I can only use Honda oil filters on my Honda, it just means I better use the right number filter no matter which brand it is. The same is ture for my Rotax, I have to use the correct number and a quality oil filter, but that NOT mean that all non Rotax filters are wrong for the 912's. I dont care about price, but after research of different racing sites, and people that know oil filters, I found the Rotax oil filter is of less than average quality, there are far better oil filters that you can use on your Rotax 912. Like anything in life, if you screw it up, you can cause damage... If done correctly, you can protect your engine far better than the Rotax oil filter does. If you would like to educate yourself on oil filters, read this thread, and the links I posted in the 11th response to the post. http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.phpt 821&highlight=oil+filter+purolator Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191187#191187 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:08:04 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Aircraft markings You only need to know the brand of the finish on there now... If it is PolyFibre then you can get the Polyfibre or Aerothane finish. If it is Randolph then all you need is the butrate dope the same colour. Same thing for Hi-Pec and most of the other finishes... The first thing to do is to find out what is there now. The original owner or the guy you bought it from may be able to help. The Decals are opaque so they can be applied directly over the existing finish without using any dope or paint. Heck you won't even need to sand the finish to apply a decal. Check out the places that make graphics for cars and or trucks. I have used the decals to put registration markings on a couple of planes I worked on. It is just too easy and the marks always go on straight and square. Noel How about just tell the printers you need the white BTW that's close to the original training colours. 050405-F-1234P-132.jpg From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Brennan Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 10:10 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Aircraft markings That's the best suggestion yet Noel, and I see Aircraft Spruce has quite a few at http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/flagplacards.php I also found some actual Kitfox logo decals at http://www.chiefaircraft.com/airsec/Aircraft/Decals/Logos.html that look interesting. Where would I get yellow dope to match what's on the plane? And black (black should be easy to match!)? 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