---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 07/05/08: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:36 AM - Re: Kitfox on hard surface compared to grass (n85ae) 2. 12:22 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox on hard surface compared to grass (Marco Menezes) 3. 12:29 PM - Fuel Plumbing ? (Andy Fultz) 4. 12:44 PM - Re: Re: Rudder seems stiff (mscotter@comcast.net) 5. 01:19 PM - Re: Fuel Plumbing ? (Lowell Fitt) 6. 03:33 PM - Re: Hydraulic Lock (Lynn Matteson) 7. 06:07 PM - Re: Kitfox on hard surface compared to grass (JetPilot) 8. 06:41 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox on hard surface compared to grass (Sbennett3@aol.com) 9. 08:05 PM - Re: CG window on a Model 2 (ElleryWeld@aol.com) 10. 08:05 PM - online builders log (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk) 11. 09:17 PM - Re: CG window on a Model 2 (Jim Corner) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:36:56 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox on hard surface compared to grass From: "n85ae" I think this myth about taildragger's on pavement is perpetrated by those that want to scare new pilots. I always heard taildraggers were evil, til I learned to fly them. I keep hearing about taildraggers being wicked on pavement and it is simply not the case either. The ONLY problems I find with pavement is when I have the 8.50x6's on my plane and land in gusty conditions, then there's always a bit of a hairy moment at touchdown as it tends to weave a lot. Depends on the wind. Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191316#191316 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:22:11 PM PST US From: Marco Menezes Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox on hard surface compared to grass It's a combination of the the wind, the field,- the airplane and the pilo t, Jeff. IMHO, these things are true about taildraggers: 1) Some are more d ifficult to control than others. A few have been truly "wicked" (e.g. ME 10 9),-2) They do-require more attention on take-off and landing than-"n ose pushers," 3) Complacent or poorly trained pilots can and do get burned by this characteristic, 4)-Grass is more forgiving than pavement. - But you're right that none of this is cause to be scared of taildraggers, r ather, only to be respectful of the airplane's characteristics-and the- pilot's limitations in light of the existing conditions. - Marco Menezes N99KX Model 2 582-90 C-Box --- On Sat, 7/5/08, n85ae wrote: From: n85ae Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox on hard surface compared to grass I think this myth about taildragger's on pavement is perpetrated by those that want to scare new pilots. I always heard taildraggers were evil, til I learned to fly them. I keep hearing about taildraggers being wicked on pavement and it is simply not the case either. The ONLY problems I find with pavement is when I have the 8.50x6's on my plane and land in gusty conditions, then there's always a bit of a hairy moment at touchdown as it tends to weave a lot. Depends on the wind. Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191316#191316 ============0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:29:56 PM PST US From: "Andy Fultz" Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel Plumbing ? I'm trying to finalize my fuel system plumbing and was wondering what you guys have found to be the best size of fuel line from the header tank to the firewall? ? I'm installing a STRATUS EA-81 in my AVID Speedwing. I'm thinking 1/4" will do as most of the fittings at the wing tanks and the header tank are 1/8" NPT. 1/8" NPT fittings only have a 3/16" ID. Thanks. Andy F. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:44:31 PM PST US From: mscotter@comcast.net Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Rudder seems stiff Hi Nick, I fly with my father out of N57, New Garden, which is in Toughkenamon, Pa, ~25minute drive north from Elkton. It's a neat little airport. It's a bit run down, but has a real variety of aircraft from warbirds to antiques & classics, homebuilts, etc. I have yet to fly in a Kitfox myself. Grew up around aviation due to my father's military career and flying with him in his airplanes (various spam cans). He currently has a Cirrus which he graciously lets me get some stick time on. Would love to hook up some time. Maybe seeing a Kitfox flying would be just the motivation I need to get to work. If you'd rather call then email my cell# is 443-907-7200. Of course, email is fine too. -Mark S -------------- Original message -------------- From: "nick4853" > > Hey Mark noticed your in Elkton I'm in Northern Harford county. Just wondering > were your flying out of maybe hook up some time. > Thanks, > Nick W. > > -------- > kitfox !V-1200 > Rotax 912ul
Hi Nick, I fly with my father out of N57, New Garden, which is in Toughkenamon, Pa, ~25minute drive north from Elkton.  It's a neat little airport.  It's a bit run down, but has a real variety of aircraft from warbirds to antiques & classics, homebuilts, etc. 
 
I have yet to fly in a Kitfox myself.  Grew up around aviation due to my father's military career and flying with him in his airplanes (various spam cans).  He currently has a Cirrus which he graciously lets me get some stick time on. 
 
Would love to hook up some time.  Maybe seeing a Kitfox flying would be just the motivation I need to get to work.  If you'd rather call then email my cell# is 443-907-7200.  Of course, email is fine too.
-Mark S
 
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> Hey Mark noticed your in Elkton I'm in Northern Harford county. Just wondering
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________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:19:06 PM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel Plumbing ? Hi, Andy, I have thought about this a lot over the years. I have several friends who have 1/4" lines throughout, however, I have decided that for my next project it will be 5/16 from the header because it feeds from both 1/4" lines from the wing tanks and from the header tankto the firewall, it is not strictly a downhill run. I like the idea of less internal resistance where gravity is no longer much of a help. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Fultz" Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 12:25 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel Plumbing ? > > I'm trying to finalize my fuel system plumbing and was wondering what you > guys have found to be the best size of fuel line from the header tank to > the > firewall? ? I'm installing a STRATUS EA-81 in my AVID Speedwing. I'm > thinking 1/4" will do as most of the fittings at the wing tanks and the > header tank are 1/8" NPT. 1/8" NPT fittings only have a 3/16" ID. Thanks. > > Andy F. > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:33:49 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Hydraulic Lock (back from the trip) I used a boat trailer, modified for a wider "stance" so that the planes' wheels will sit into a sort of "v", with the back side of the v hinged to form a ramp for loading. I can send you pictures if you'd like. Man, I'd much rather fly the plane where it needs to go, I'll tell you that! After the 160-some mile trip, unloading, flying for just one day (1-hour trips for 3 kids), and then flying home because I wanted to change the oil, leaving it home and getting a flight back up there with a friend, hooking up the trailer and driving back home, I'm whipped. Oh, yeah, I forgot to mention that before coming home, a guy at the field (2E2) with a Citabria offered to take me up and let me fly it a bit, then do some aerobatics with me...how could I refuse? After he let me do some 45 banking turns, just to get me used to the feel of the g-forces, we did (him flying) some 90 turns, a roll, a loop, some wing-overs, and the Grand Finale...a 3-turn spin, exiting exactly in the same heading as entry. I kept my lunch, but the forces were tremendous...4 G's on the loop, he said...I think that's where we got the 4 G's. Man, I think my neck is shorter than I started the day with. (I shortened my part of the weekend due to too damn many barking dogs at a campground, and screaming kids.) Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster Jabiru 2200 Status: flying w/545 hrs On Jul 3, 2008, at 1:07 PM, Bob Brennan wrote: > > > May I ask what kind of trailer you use Lynn? I have towed my Kitfox > a few > miles using the towbar attachment but am reluctant to put too many > miles on > the plane's tiny bearings. I plan to trailer it now on a 21ft car > trailer, > with ramps and an electric winch to get it up to the platform. But > I had the > trailer for other reasons, so I am wondering how other Kitfoxers > "trailer" > their planes around.(?) > > Bob Brennan > 1991 UK Model 2 Kitfox > Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop > Wrightsville Pa > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn > Matteson > Sent: 03 July 2008 11:24 am > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Hydraulic Lock > > > I'm lucky enough to have a hangar 4 miles from home. After putting > the plane on the trailer last night, I had second thoughts about > having to untrailer it, fly for 4 days at the most, then load it up > again, and come home, untrailer it, and breathe a sigh of relief. > When I hear of guys who have to keep theirs at home and trailer it to > fly, I've got a lot of respect for their stick-to-it-ivness. The only > time I've had to trailer mine so far is to be weighed, and it rained > the whole 36 mile round-trip. Having to tape up the t'deck hole was a > bear! This weekend is supposed to clear, so maybe I'l get lucky. > I'll still tape the big hole shut, but I won't be quite so anal about > keeping the raindrops out, just the road dust or possible mist. > And if it wasn't for having to get a ride from the campsite to the > flying field each and every time I wanted to fly, I'd just fly the > plane up there and pitch a tent. When my daughter bailed out at the > last minute (from driving the motorhome up there), I decided to > trailer the plane, instead of leaving it home....after all, we are > celebrating "Independence" Day, aren't we? And I'm just stubborn > enough to be totally independent of others when I have to. : ) > > And for those that haven't trailered their Kitfoxs yet, it's not that > big a chore, and it can be done alone, but it sure is nice to not > have to do it....especially when the weather plays a part. > > Lynn Matteson > Kitfox IV Speedster > Jabiru 2200 > Status: flying w/541 hrs > do not archive > > > On Jul 3, 2008, at 8:13 AM, Catz631@aol.com wrote: > >> Lynn, >> My Kitfox is located in my hanger at an airpark in Fl. I can fly >> it every day if I want to but it is too hot now so I have escaped >> to my cabin in the N.C. mountains for a week or so. No place to tow >> my Kitfox up here. We have lots of mountains(ok, hills for you guys >> living in the Rockies) and very few airports. When I do come up >> here with the airplane,I will fly it up. Besides,I will fly it when >> I get back.I am not having much luck getting a hanger up here. Like >> most of the US,hangers are at a premium! >> Lowell , thanks for your input . I had not thought of letting the >> oil cool then pumping it back into the tank prior to periods of non >> use. That should slow the siphoning action a bit. I'll give it a shot >> By the way I read an article in the defunct SkyStar magazine about >> the siphoning effect in the Kitfox with the 912. It offered no >> solution other then to always check the oil and "burp" the tank. It >> too said the high oil tank position was the problem. Wish we had a >> magazine like that still available with "tips" & "techniques" but >> then I guess that's what this email form is for. >> Thanks for the replies ! >> Dick Maddux >> Fox4-1200 >> Pensacola,Fl >> >> >> >> Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient >> used cars. >> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _- >> www.matronics.com/contribution _- >> =========================================================== > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:07:49 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox on hard surface compared to grass From: "JetPilot" None of the tail dragger stuff is a Myth, some tail draggers are harder than others, but they all exhibit the same tendency to swap ends on the ground. Its a matter of physics, is most of the weight is behind the main gear, it will want to swap ends. There is a very good reason they started putting nosewheels on airplanes. There is also a very good reason that the vast majority of training airplanes sold over the past 40 years have been nosewheel planes. To tell guys that taildraggers don't have any of these bad qualities is just a disservice to them. If you are in doubt, just go look up the ground loop statistics for tail dragger airplanes, it happens to many good pilots. I land on pavement in a taildragger, and it does not scare me, but I know darn well it is not the same as grass, and that I had better be more careful than when I am on grass. We should not try to impress new pilots with our superman abilities, we need to give them good advice and warnings on what might present a difficult situation to them. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191372#191372 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:41:04 PM PST US From: Sbennett3@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox on hard surface compared to grass In a message dated 7/5/2008 9:08:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, orcabonita@hotmail.com writes: To tell guys that taildraggers don't have any of these bad qualities is just a disservice to them. Mike, VERY well said... They are a lot of fun though. To be able to master something that others sometimes find difficult make us a "notch" above... :-) Most of us here have flown tricycle and its now easy... I love my twitchy taildragger... SB Durham NC. **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:05:26 PM PST US From: ElleryWeld@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CG window on a Model 2 Does anyone on this list know for sure where the CG window is on a Kitfox Model 2 ? Thanks in advance Ellery in MAINE do not archive **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:05:31 PM PST US From: Jim_and_Lucy Chuk Subject: Kitfox-List: online builders log Hi all=2C I've been searching on the web for pictures someone has uploaded of their Kitfox build. It seems like some bits of my manual are missing =2C things like instrument panel=2C installing fiberglass cover over instru ment panel=2C to mention just a few things I can't find. Even with the pro per pages in the manual=2C sometimes a picture or two of how someone else d id it is a big help. Does anyone have pictures of their build online? I'm building a Kitfox 4 Classic=2C but a lot of things are simalar one model to another. Thanks=2C Jim Chuk Avids=2C Kitfox 4 Mn _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM _WL_Refresh_messenger_video_072008 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:17:47 PM PST US From: Jim Corner Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CG window on a Model 2 On 5-Jul-08, at 9:02 PM, ElleryWeld@aol.com wrote: Does anyone on this list know for sure where the CG window is on a Kitfox Model 2 ? Thanks in advance Ellery in MAINE do not archive CG range on the Model 2 is 10.2" to 14.3" aft of the wing LE datum Jim Corner Model 2, 582,. 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